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On November 05 2016 01:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him. - has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push - has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning - has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum - has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff - martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!)
On November 04 2016 08:18 ExO_ wrote:reason?
On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum?
You guys see what I mean tho? He's got a point here, he's being tunneled with shitty votes.
In account to your post + Magh's case, I have to agree he looks kinda worse than I originally thought, you guys are convincing. Altho I dunno why you didn't present these in your original case.
However, I still think he's town. Some reasons magh bring up in case regarding Dota mafia. Now I played mafia with him in that game so i have some insight to his mindset and altho i agree what I'm saying here is weak but his play here is different.
All in all tho, what I hate most is the wagon being formed soo easily with no other candidates. Some people are getting a free pass today without adding much content. Now we don't have enough time so I can't properly defend Exo and convince you guys on TT/NU. Anyway we'll see soon.
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Now I know that it is super annoying to play as town when everybody is scumreading you. I know you're having a bad town if you're town. But I think you're scum.
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On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
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On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
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Ein, zwei, guten morgen!
ExO_ (7) : NeverUnlucky (X), Tictock, NeverUnlucky (X), NeverUnlucky, mahrgell, Foreman, Calix, Rels, darthfoley
Tictock (2) : Skynx, darthfoley (X), ExO_
Calix (0) : ExO_ (X), Foreman (X), NeverUnlucky (X), NeverUnlucky (X)
darthfoley (0) : Rels (X)
Foreman (0) : mahrgell (X)
mahrgell (0) : Foreman (X), Calix (X), NeverUnlucky (X), darthfoley (X)
NeverUnlucky (0) : Calix (X), Skynx (X)
Rels (0) : Calix (X)
Skynx (0) : Foreman (X)
Currently, ExO_ is set to be lynched!
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On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
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On November 05 2016 01:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though. If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed? In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case. Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy? I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point. I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit) You just don't seem to care that much at all.
I do care. But town is tunneled for whatever reason.
I did present what is wrong with the lynch. Some votes have justifications. Some votes are terrible, yet they are being ignored by everyone else somehow.
Altho you are right. In the end i spent too much time on mafia today and I have other obligations so there is a laziness factor if you want to see it that way. In addition tho, I think this mislynch will strengthen my point about NU/TT on which I will hopefully be able to convince you guys later on.
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On November 05 2016 02:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point. I trolled this game, eh? "Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
lol
The fact that he conflated "discrediting Calix" with "others" should be telling you that you discredit me way too much. Perhaps consider not doing that so much.
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On November 05 2016 02:17 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:59 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though. If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed? In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case. Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy? I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point. I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit) You just don't seem to care that much at all. I do care. But town is tunneled for whatever reason. I did present what is wrong with the lynch. Some votes have justifications. Some votes are terrible, yet they are being ignored by everyone else somehow. Altho you are right. In the end i spent too much time on mafia today and I have other obligations so there is a laziness factor if you want to see it that way. In addition tho, I think this mislynch will strengthen my point about NU/TT on which I will hopefully be able to convince you guys later on.
You're already using the "I told you so" argument and ExO has not yet flipped.
I also have no idea how his flip would lead to me being scum.
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On November 05 2016 02:18 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point. I trolled this game, eh? "Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix. lol The fact that he conflated "discrediting Calix" with "others" should be telling you that you discredit me way too much. Perhaps consider not doing that so much.
Yes, I have stopped and will try to keep it that way.
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Feeling weird about putting together reads since I'm tin-foiling Calix fairly hard atm. Trying to put it aside kus it really assumes that Exo is scum which is kinda bad pre-flip. Having a hard time seeing that post as anything else though.
Anyways some reads that are a bit less in flux. Just going off the top of my head.
Town:
Rels + Show Spoiler +I stated earlier that I felt like Rels was just dropping his thoughts into the game and that suggested to me that he's town. As he's put time into the game I just get more and more of that feeling. Pretty sure he is town.
mahrgell + Show Spoiler +Overall just pretty genuine and seems to be invested in solving the game. Sorry nothing particular is coming to mind, just tone and feels I guess.
NeverUnlucky + Show Spoiler +Just seems to be too all over the place and emotional to be scum imo. Idk just feels really geniune in how he goes back and forth on peopleI also actually like Rel's point about NU trying to mod confirm himself, but I also hate to reward that behavior.
Nullish:
Foreman + Show Spoiler +Probably my most null read. I don't feel like he's brought much to the table or done anything that makes me think he is town. Similarly though nothing really suggests to me that he is scum, besides the fact that he kinda ignored half the game early on while tunneling Calix.
darthfoley + Show Spoiler +Honestly just haven't spent much effort reading Darth. What I have read makes me lean town on him just for general read progression and putting good thoughts out there.
Skynx + Show Spoiler +I appreciate the effort Skynx has been putting in during the latter half of this phase, though it seems like we are reading different games. Tempted to put him down as scum but I'm wondering if he's just tunneled and I'm feeling like it's unlikely he is scum with Exo atm.
Scum:
ExO_ + Show Spoiler +I think I've said plenty about Exo, and there is nothing new to note.
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I'm forced to agree with NU here. ExO flipping town does not tell us jack shit about TT/ NU.
It's quite simple really - if NU/ TT are town then the town explanation for their posts around ExO would be that they scum-read ExO and were wrong. It's foolish to make "if X is town then Y is mafia" associations.
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On November 05 2016 02:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point. I trolled this game, eh? "Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
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On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
I agree that Skynx townread of ExO is weird as hell. But I don't agree that we can say anything about ExO from Skynx' townread. If Skynx is scum he knows fully well how his attitude looks like, so it's WIFOM to conclude anything from it.
Like, it's not like Skynx would become confirmed town if ExO flipped town.
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On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
On November 05 2016 02:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:17 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:59 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though. If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed? In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case. Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy? I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point. I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit) You just don't seem to care that much at all. I do care. But town is tunneled for whatever reason. I did present what is wrong with the lynch. Some votes have justifications. Some votes are terrible, yet they are being ignored by everyone else somehow. Altho you are right. In the end i spent too much time on mafia today and I have other obligations so there is a laziness factor if you want to see it that way. In addition tho, I think this mislynch will strengthen my point about NU/TT on which I will hopefully be able to convince you guys later on. You're already using the "I told you so" argument and ExO has not yet flipped. I also have no idea how his flip would lead to me being scum.
The plot thickens.
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TT... I did not try to mod-confirm myself. I was mod-confirmed. I cannot control how the hosts respond to my behavior. Whatever.
If you recall last game, Skynx's scumplay revolved around being a prideless whiny bitch and whiteknighting Lunatic. If ExO's town this game, he's doing just that this game.
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Skynx:
On November 05 2016 01:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ?
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On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though. If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed? In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case. Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy? I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.
Fair warning, I'm prob gunna call TMI on this if Exo ends up flipping town.
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On November 05 2016 02:23 Rels wrote:Skynx: Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:59 Rels wrote:On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ?
Blatant ridiculing of pushes cuz they are weak as fuck. He cannot instantly push them back as scum cuz he already has the information and he doesn't know yet how those people gona turn out later on so he cannot aford to take heat on himself early on.
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