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Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:02 GMT
#741
On November 04 2016 07:47 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday


because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo.

The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me

No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?


He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game


False, I had my own reason.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 03 2016 23:05 GMT
#742
On November 04 2016 08:01 Foreman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up.

Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous.


I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background?

Lulz.


Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself.

But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting.

Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum.

So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say.


I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters.


"not familiar with"

If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you?

Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT?


You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes?

Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing.

If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that.

That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou.


A poor argument. A fresh set of eyes is extremely helpful when it comes to sorting players. You, as a player new to the site, would be ignorant of ExO/ TT's 'meta tells' and thus would pick up on minor details that players more experienced with them would otherwise dismiss as NAI. Perhaps it's just me but sometimes not knowing meta is a good thing because then you can offer a different perspective on a player that isn't tainted by meta.

But anyway, I shall let you have fun with your dying phone. I'll await your thoughts on TT later.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:08 GMT
#743
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 03 2016 23:08 GMT
#744
On November 04 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote:
I can answer the Skynx stuff when I'm not in a movie for class, but I'm putting my vote on mahrgell.

He STILL hasn't said anything conclusive or definitive. He keeps asking the same things to the same people to stall and buy time. He's also using the OMGIS first game defense now. I remember my first forum game (This is my fourth) and I rolled scum. I play a ton of IRL mafia and I'm pretty good at it, but I was terrible with trying to forge reads as scum G1. I can't remember the title of the game but it was on TL.

I see a lot of parallels between my playstyle that game, and his play style in this game. Outside of this, I've already written content on my mahrgell scum read. Look through my filter if you want a refresher. Also find it interesting that he peaches out with all his reads for family time, then as soon as I put heat on him, he finds the time to go semi filter diving and engage with people again.

##Vote: mahrgell


I was specifically asked about it. WTF? What answer would you have not called "using first game" ?
And I didn't even use it myself.
I did not expect Rels to suddenly free me of doubt, and I don't expect anyone to do it. I don't consider myself a noob at mafia, but admittedly I have no experience in forum mafia.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:10 GMT
#745
On November 04 2016 08:05 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:01 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up.

Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous.


I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background?

Lulz.


Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself.

But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting.

Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum.

So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say.


I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters.


"not familiar with"

If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you?

Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT?


You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes?

Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing.

If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that.

That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou.


A poor argument. A fresh set of eyes is extremely helpful when it comes to sorting players. You, as a player new to the site, would be ignorant of ExO/ TT's 'meta tells' and thus would pick up on minor details that players more experienced with them would otherwise dismiss as NAI. Perhaps it's just me but sometimes not knowing meta is a good thing because then you can offer a different perspective on a player that isn't tainted by meta.

But anyway, I shall let you have fun with your dying phone. I'll await your thoughts on TT later.


You don't have to agree with me.

The fact you don't, however, doesn't change my mind.

OFN.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 23:14 GMT
#746
meh I'm not 100% sure on DF. I'll sleep on it
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 23:16 GMT
#747
And I realized I forgot Skynx. He had two huge posts that seemed OK but other than that he's been super lackluster
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 23:16 GMT
#748
I'll see what I think tomorrow. Good night mates!
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:18 GMT
#749
On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_


reason?
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:19 GMT
#750
On November 04 2016 08:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_


reason?

yes
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:24 GMT
#751
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:24 GMT
#752
Found an outlet.

On November 03 2016 23:21 Tictock wrote:
Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore.


I can't see scum posting this. Do I really need to explain why?

@TT: How did you get from:

On November 04 2016 00:56 Tictock wrote:
In other news I see Skynx decided to start playing the game and I'm not hating it so far.


to:

On November 04 2016 01:30 Tictock wrote:
Exo and Skynx are my top picks for lynch right now.


?

(emphasis mine)
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 03 2016 23:26 GMT
#753
Okay, finished reading up on Exo.

##Vote Exo_

Writing up my reasoning in a bit.

So far I have 2 more players on my todo pile: DF and Skynx. I will probably try to squeeze those in some time after sleeping and between family ^.^
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:29 GMT
#754
On November 04 2016 08:26 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, finished reading up on Exo.

##Vote Exo_

Writing up my reasoning in a bit.

So far I have 2 more players on my todo pile: DF and Skynx. I will probably try to squeeze those in some time after sleeping and between family ^.^

Would you kindly summarize what your reads now look like?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:31 GMT
#755
On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote:
Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?

If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames.


This sounds like TT is revoking a townlean from Skynx if I'm reading correctly... but he already said Skynx was one of his favored lynches.

I'm not following this. Please explain?
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 03 2016 23:32 GMT
#756
How many people are voting for ExO again?

I've been going over each player individually. I'm considering my town motivation that I have in mind for ExO and I'm not that convinced that it's that compelling compared to other players. So I might just ignore my reservations about him and sheep.

It's pretty clear that I don't know where the hell I am at with my reads so it's anti-town for me to push for anyone right now :/
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:34 GMT
#757
On November 04 2016 05:49 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 05:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:
On November 04 2016 05:28 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?

However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_-


I really do think Exo should be the lynch today.

Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right?

+ Show Spoiler +
Kinda joking there... kinda...


I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it.

Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row...


Either you believe my VT claim, or you don't. It's interesting logic to me that you would be okay with lynching me because "I'm only VT" if you don't believe my VT claim.


Is this really all you're gonna contribute? Your filter is so subpar right now and you going back to the VT claim stuff?




Are you going to ignore the inconsistency with Ticktock here? HE brought up that I was only VT, not me, and I responded that it makes no sense to kill me because I'm only VT if you don't believe my VT claim.


Interesting... I wonder if there was a reason that I included that little spoiler in that post...

Nah couldn't be. I don't think about what I post.


Love the snark. You're my kind of people.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:42 GMT
#758
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:48 GMT
#759
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:51 GMT
#760
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.


What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.

foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?

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