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NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:51 GMT
#761
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


A) How would sheeping Rels' reads make me scum?

B) Fact-check of borrowing my read on you from Rels:

Rels' posts that apply to a scum-read:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2016 07:21 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:17 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?


Not particularly. I'll be honest I didn't go back and read. It had been 18+ hours by the time I woke up today and I didn't feel like going back through it.

Fabricated though? please.

And this ?
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
[quote]
Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today

Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.

And why would I be a decent lynch?


Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up).

Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ?
BTW what's your read on foreman ?


lean town, but im annoyed with him and his inability to read the thread

On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
[quote]
Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today

Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.

And why would I be a decent lynch?


Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up).

Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ?
BTW what's your read on foreman ?


From memory

If Foreman is a townlean, why did you consider rereading his filter a priority in your last post yesterday ? Here:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

And why didn't you reread NU filter and read TT's instead ?


On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?

My reasoning to sr you:
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.


The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing.

Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him?+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday



We rate this claim false.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:52 GMT
#762
On November 04 2016 08:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


A) How would sheeping Rels' reads make me scum?

B) Fact-check of borrowing my read on you from Rels:

Rels' posts that apply to a scum-read:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2016 07:21 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:17 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?


Not particularly. I'll be honest I didn't go back and read. It had been 18+ hours by the time I woke up today and I didn't feel like going back through it.

Fabricated though? please.

And this ?
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
[quote]
Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today

Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.

And why would I be a decent lynch?


Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up).

Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ?
BTW what's your read on foreman ?


lean town, but im annoyed with him and his inability to read the thread

On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
[quote]
Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today

Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.

And why would I be a decent lynch?


Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up).

Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ?
BTW what's your read on foreman ?


From memory

If Foreman is a townlean, why did you consider rereading his filter a priority in your last post yesterday ? Here:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

And why didn't you reread NU filter and read TT's instead ?


On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?

My reasoning to sr you:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.


The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing.

Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him?+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday



We rate this claim false.


you're not sheeping him. You're using his reasoning to push me as scum, when he himself concluded I wasn't scum for it
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:53 GMT
#763
On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.


What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.

foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?

N O T H I N G


My bad, let me be more productive, then.

##Vote: ExO_
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:55 GMT
#764
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.




On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?


On November 04 2016 07:52 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:47 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday


because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo.

The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me

No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?


He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game

OK it makes sense then

NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:55 GMT
#765
He never concluded you were not scum for it.
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday

This looks as though he actually thinks you are scum for it, but doesn't exactly scum-read you because of your VT claim and explanation.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:55 GMT
#766
On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.


What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.

foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?

N O T H I N G


My bad, let me be more productive, then.

##Vote: ExO_


for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 03 2016 23:55 GMT
#767
On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.


What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.

foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?

N O T H I N G


Uh, didn't you vote TT without giving any reasoning earlier? And you only gave reasoning because I had to ask for it?

NU thinking that something that Rels said about you is scummy when Rels didn't doesn't make him scum. That's not AI at all.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:56 GMT
#768
On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.




Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:47 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday


because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo.

The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me

No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?


He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game

OK it makes sense then


THe "OK it makes sense then" is taken out of context, lmao. Nice try.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:56 GMT
#769
On November 04 2016 08:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He never concluded you were not scum for it.
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday

This looks as though he actually thinks you are scum for it, but doesn't exactly scum-read you because of your VT claim and explanation.


except how he answered me, and then voted for darth foley. a bit odd if he was scum reading me don't you think? I quoted the relevant section for you
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:56 GMT
#770
On November 04 2016 08:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.




On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?


On November 04 2016 07:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:47 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday


because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo.

The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me

No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?


He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game

OK it makes sense then


THe "OK it makes sense then" is taken out of context, lmao. Nice try.


How is it taken out of context? The quote chain is LITERALLY right there with all of the context
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:57 GMT
#771
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:58 GMT
#772
On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.


why?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 03 2016 23:58 GMT
#773
On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.


Please elaborate.

(what the hell does 'historically speaking' even mean in this context?)
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 23:58 GMT
#774
On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
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On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.


What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.

foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?

N O T H I N G


My bad, let me be more productive, then.

##Vote: ExO_


for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum?


You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing.

For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 03 2016 23:58 GMT
#775
On November 04 2016 08:56 ExO_ wrote:
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On November 04 2016 08:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.




On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.

I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.

I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?


On November 04 2016 07:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:47 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday


because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo.

The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me

No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?


He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game

OK it makes sense then


THe "OK it makes sense then" is taken out of context, lmao. Nice try.


How is it taken out of context? The quote chain is LITERALLY right there with all of the context

THe first quote is about him saying your narrative looks fabricated, the second quote is him saying it makes sense that you were looking into Foreman and I.

Out of context. :3
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 03 2016 23:59 GMT
#776
Exo:
1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963
Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade.

2)
On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:
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On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you.


I am aware that he is only going after you.
But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum.
I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ.
But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown.

So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book.


It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid)

I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.


How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out.

Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible.

Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that.
And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum.
At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet.

3)
On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:
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On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?


I didn't like his filter and trust skynx


Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning!
Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post:
On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:
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On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?

please.

Lynch TT its so obvious at this point

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

1 to 7, check.

8 and 9 to go.


Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit

Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen.

4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT"
I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players.
I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes.
I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2016 23:59 GMT
#777
On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.

Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.


What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.

foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?

N O T H I N G


My bad, let me be more productive, then.

##Vote: ExO_


for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum?


You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing.

For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch.


how exactly am I lying about you? or attempting to intimidate you? Aren't you supposed to be mr.coldnotaffectedbyonlinepersonalities guy
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 04 2016 00:00 GMT
#778
Okay, reading up on what happened between my vote and my post... gimme a moment
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 04 2016 00:01 GMT
#779
On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:
Exo:
1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963
Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade.

2)
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On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you.


I am aware that he is only going after you.
But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum.
I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ.
But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown.

So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book.


It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid)

I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.


How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out.

Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible.

Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that.
And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum.
At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet.

3)
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On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?


I didn't like his filter and trust skynx


Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning!
Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post:
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On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?

please.

Lynch TT its so obvious at this point

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

1 to 7, check.

8 and 9 to go.


Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit

Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen.

4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT"
I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players.
I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes.
I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance.


You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here)
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 00:02 GMT
#780
On November 04 2016 08:58 ExO_ wrote:
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On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.


why?

On November 04 2016 08:58 Calix wrote:
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On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.


Please elaborate.

(what the hell does 'historically speaking' even mean in this context?)

The story takes place between 2009 and 2016. A guy named Kenpachi played forum mafia on TL. He was notorious for claiming VT, and people who pushed him for his claim were always mafia.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
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