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On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU
LOL. Are you even reading? You were my #2 scum for almost the entire thread. When I unvoted (because I could follow FMs argument), I already said, that I will look into next, as you are the logical choice. This deeper look convinced me that my original read on you was correct.
So get your timeline right.
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On November 04 2016 08:59 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum? You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing. For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch. how exactly am I lying about you? or attempting to intimidate you? Aren't you supposed to be mr.coldnotaffectedbyonlinepersonalities guy
No, I'm Mr. Distantandunintentionallytreatpeoplelikepixelsuntiligettoknowthem guy.
You are lying about me doing nothing in my disagreement with you. Before you say you weren't, be a pal and quote where i stated my thoughts on Mahrgell's flip prior to that post.
Otherwise, admit that you were simply trying to intimidate me into thinking I was being worthless.
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On November 04 2016 09:03 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU LOL. Are you even reading? You were my #2 scum for almost the entire thread. When I unvoted (because I could follow FMs argument), I already said, that I will look into next, as you are the logical choice. This deeper look convinced me that my original read on you was correct. So get your timeline right.
You being 3rd to vote on me is a fact. aka 3rd on a wagon
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On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:Exo: 1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade. 2) On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible. Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that. And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum. At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet. 3) On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning! Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post: On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen. 4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT" I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players. I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes. I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance. You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here)
Wasn't she a low hanging fruit before?
As Foreman pointed out, if you are town, scum is unlikely to push you this hard for one ML. Not everyone who pushes you is scum (4 votes on you rn if I can count) (if any).
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On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:Exo: 1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade. 2) On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible. Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that. And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum. At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet. 3) On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning! Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post: On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen. 4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT" I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players. I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes. I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance. You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here)
I think this is the first time that I have ever been told this.
I think you should focus on giving some reads, however. Top two townies, top two scum-reads or you can do a full reads list. With less than 24 hours left, it's a good idea to do that now rather than near EOD when things are more desperate/ rushed. I think you have too many people pushing you for a constant defense to be helpful to anyone. You will just wear yourself out regardless of your alignment and get angry which is why I'm not going to add to that by pushing you 
Giving reads is more beneficial to the town compared to defending yourself against your detractors as much in any case.
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On November 04 2016 09:04 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:59 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum? You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing. For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch. how exactly am I lying about you? or attempting to intimidate you? Aren't you supposed to be mr.coldnotaffectedbyonlinepersonalities guy No, I'm Mr. Distantandunintentionallytreatpeoplelikepixelsuntiligettoknowthem guy. You are lying about me doing nothing in my disagreement with you. Before you say you weren't, be a pal and quote where i stated my thoughts on Mahrgell's flip prior to that post. Otherwise, admit that you were simply trying to intimidate me into thinking I was being worthless.
...what? are you delusional? Like legitimately are you delusional?
Nothing I've done has been even close to intimidation. And nothing I've done has even been close to lying. You're literally bordering on actually being delusional
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On November 04 2016 09:06 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:04 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:59 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum? You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing. For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch. how exactly am I lying about you? or attempting to intimidate you? Aren't you supposed to be mr.coldnotaffectedbyonlinepersonalities guy No, I'm Mr. Distantandunintentionallytreatpeoplelikepixelsuntiligettoknowthem guy. You are lying about me doing nothing in my disagreement with you. Before you say you weren't, be a pal and quote where i stated my thoughts on Mahrgell's flip prior to that post. Otherwise, admit that you were simply trying to intimidate me into thinking I was being worthless. ...what? are you delusional? Like legitimately are you delusional? Nothing I've done has been even close to intimidation. And nothing I've done has even been close to lying. You're literally bordering on actually being delusional
This post is a bit funny and is true.
I don't understand how FM would interpret ExO's "you're doing nothing" as intimidation.
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Also I think we have way too many people pressuring ExO. That's bad because ExO's going to get stressed out sooner or later, so then he'll lash out and that looks scummy so then people keep piling on.
So I propose that we let up a little bit so that he can actually post something constructive. I think the wagon on him lets him know well enough that he's going to die if he doesn't step it up so constantly pushing him like this is just inhibiting his potential to do anything else imo.
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On November 04 2016 09:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:Exo: 1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade. 2) On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible. Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that. And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum. At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet. 3) On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning! Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post: On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen. 4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT" I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players. I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes. I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance. You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here) I think this is the first time that I have ever been told this. I think you should focus on giving some reads, however. Top two townies, top two scum-reads or you can do a full reads list. With less than 24 hours left, it's a good idea to do that now rather than near EOD when things are more desperate/ rushed. I think you have too many people pushing you for a constant defense to be helpful to anyone. You will just wear yourself out regardless of your alignment and get angry which is why I'm not going to add to that by pushing you Giving reads is more beneficial to the town compared to defending yourself against your detractors as much in any case.
tbh I think It's almost too late. And I'm not really in a good enough mood to try and do super deep meta reads, based on day 1 bullshitting. Day 1 is almost all bullshitting like this. I'm never really confident in my own reads (esp on day 1). look at my other games here (though it's been a while.) I think I do better at defending myself as town and picking the right people to follow than solving the game on my own.
Compare this to my dota 2 scum game that we just got done with. I was quiet and would come into the thread offering some read this disappear again. It's not the same at all.
All I can say is that I am town, and I think the people to really look at are the people that are going to blame my own play as the reason why I was lynched. The people that say things like "oh it was his own fault for being bad".
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*ewbop offering some reads then disappear again
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On November 04 2016 09:09 Calix wrote:
Also I think we have way too many people pressuring ExO. That's bad because ExO's going to get stressed out sooner or later, so then he'll lash out and that looks scummy so then people keep piling on.
So I propose that we let up a little bit so that he can actually post something constructive. I think the wagon on him lets him know well enough that he's going to die if he doesn't step it up so constantly pushing him like this is just inhibiting his potential to do anything else imo.
Invitation accepted.
What do you think of the Kenpachi rule?
The logic behind it is that claiming VT has no scum nor town motivation. Scum is likely going to push for that claim since it is easy to do, and they may look like they are being productive.
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I should rather ask: Do you think TT is scum in agreement to the Kenpachi rule?
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On November 04 2016 09:12 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:06 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:Exo: 1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade. 2) On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible. Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that. And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum. At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet. 3) On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning! Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post: On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen. 4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT" I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players. I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes. I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance. You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here) I think this is the first time that I have ever been told this. I think you should focus on giving some reads, however. Top two townies, top two scum-reads or you can do a full reads list. With less than 24 hours left, it's a good idea to do that now rather than near EOD when things are more desperate/ rushed. I think you have too many people pushing you for a constant defense to be helpful to anyone. You will just wear yourself out regardless of your alignment and get angry which is why I'm not going to add to that by pushing you Giving reads is more beneficial to the town compared to defending yourself against your detractors as much in any case. tbh I think It's almost too late. And I'm not really in a good enough mood to try and do super deep meta reads, based on day 1 bullshitting. Day 1 is almost all bullshitting like this. I'm never really confident in my own reads (esp on day 1). look at my other games here (though it's been a while.) I think I do better at defending myself as town and picking the right people to follow than solving the game on my own. Compare this to my dota 2 scum game that we just got done with. I was quiet and would come into the thread offering some read this disappear again. It's not the same at all. All I can say is that I am town, and I think the people to really look at are the people that are going to blame my own play as the reason why I was lynched. The people that say things like "oh it was his own fault for being bad".
Doesn't have to be anything extensive. Even your current stream-of-consciousness thoughts or "I'm currently here with X player but I'm not sure" ideas are better than nothing. Is there anything that you think is being overlooked, for example? Any particularly good points that you've made that you feel are being ignored due to confirmation bias, perhaps?
I understand if you're tired so I'll just repeat that I'm not expecting giant paragraphs
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Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum
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Just to clarify my Skynx thing,
At that point in the thread I was so tired of NU vs. Calix uber hardcore insult driven tunneling that I found myself really disappointed with the direction and tone of the game. In comes Skynx, who correctly identifies that ore salt votes (I know you two will disagree with this assessment) are not only meaningless but they're a waste of time. Other than that, Skynx had indeed been pretty much useless and very whiny. I apreciate that the atmosphere has become a little less emotionally charged. That's what I meant, even if phrased poorly.
As I write this, Foreman accuses ExO of cyberbullying *facepalm*
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On November 04 2016 09:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:09 Calix wrote:
Also I think we have way too many people pressuring ExO. That's bad because ExO's going to get stressed out sooner or later, so then he'll lash out and that looks scummy so then people keep piling on.
So I propose that we let up a little bit so that he can actually post something constructive. I think the wagon on him lets him know well enough that he's going to die if he doesn't step it up so constantly pushing him like this is just inhibiting his potential to do anything else imo. Invitation accepted. What do you think of the Kenpachi rule? The logic behind it is that claiming VT has no scum nor town motivation. Scum is likely going to push for that claim since it is easy to do, and they may look like they are being productive.
TT's main reasoning for his ExO scum-read is not based on this 'Kenpachi' rule.
But it's a possible theory, yes. It's difficult to push as an idea though because TT has written off the post where he was accused of pushing a VT claim to an easy lynch, so we can only speculate :/
Do you think the other cases against TT hold weight? Those can actually be discussed as TT did not brush them aside as easily.
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On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum
So you read players based on their activity?
What happened to the "NU posted things that looked scummy"?
On November 04 2016 09:16 darthfoley wrote:
Just to clarify my Skynx thing,
At that point in the thread I was so tired of NU vs. Calix uber hardcore insult driven tunneling that I found myself really disappointed with the direction and tone of the game. In comes Skynx, who correctly identifies that ore salt votes (I know you two will disagree with this assessment) are not only meaningless but they're a waste of time. Other than that, Skynx had indeed been pretty much useless and very whiny. I apreciate that the atmosphere has become a little less emotionally charged. That's what I meant, even if phrased poorly.
As I write this, Foreman accuses ExO of cyberbullying *facepalm*
lol
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On November 04 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum So you read players based on their activity? What happened to the "NU posted things that looked scummy"? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:16 darthfoley wrote:
Just to clarify my Skynx thing,
At that point in the thread I was so tired of NU vs. Calix uber hardcore insult driven tunneling that I found myself really disappointed with the direction and tone of the game. In comes Skynx, who correctly identifies that ore salt votes (I know you two will disagree with this assessment) are not only meaningless but they're a waste of time. Other than that, Skynx had indeed been pretty much useless and very whiny. I apreciate that the atmosphere has become a little less emotionally charged. That's what I meant, even if phrased poorly.
As I write this, Foreman accuses ExO of cyberbullying *facepalm* lol
Your entry into the thread looked scummy at first. That was my thought at the start of the game. You kinda agreed with everyone but didn't really make any pressures or move the thread. This latest read on you was an OMGUS.
Also rels is a bit odd to me. His filter is of similar length to DF/Skynx. I don't get why he backed off of me so readily either
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On November 04 2016 09:16 darthfoley wrote:
Just to clarify my Skynx thing,
At that point in the thread I was so tired of NU vs. Calix uber hardcore insult driven tunneling that I found myself really disappointed with the direction and tone of the game. In comes Skynx, who correctly identifies that ore salt votes (I know you two will disagree with this assessment) are not only meaningless but they're a waste of time. Other than that, Skynx had indeed been pretty much useless and very whiny. I apreciate that the atmosphere has become a little less emotionally charged. That's what I meant, even if phrased poorly.
As I write this, Foreman accuses ExO of cyberbullying *facepalm*
I agree that the two of us together = poor atmosphere if left unchecked. I think you're being hyperbolic with it being "uber hardcore insult-driven tunneling" though unless you were raised under a rock.
I don't know what NU/ Calix has to do with your reaction to Skynx though. Skynx made that comment before NU flipped his shit on me and my case on NU early on was not by any stretch a tunnel.
I don't really think that you addressed the core of Rels' concern with your post here.
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