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On November 04 2016 07:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 07:35 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 03:44 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 03:35 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 03:05 darthfoley wrote:
Best scum team 2k16 NU Calix Nah... One perhaps but not both. I'm leaning TvT, personally. I'd expect scum to be more laid back and just pushing back enough to get out of the public eye. I know I said I'd ignore him but I feel like I should chip in here. He's probably town purely for being this unpleasant and obsessive. But I feel like that should be noted. However I don't like it and I'm not going to respond to his posts. If he keeps doing it then I'm going to the hosts. Maybe I'm just biased, but I don't feel like I did anything that warrants being called trash and being threatened with "making Calix's experience in the game hell until she does X". All I did was make a case against him which he overreacted to. He's only like this around me and honestly, I am so fucking sick and tired of it. All we did last game was bicker and argue and shit-post and it ruined the game. I want to change and then he goes and throws a temper tantrum. I'm here for a quiet game. I just don't have the time or energy to deal with him and I don't think I should have to when he's acting like this. I hope I've explained myself enough and would like to think that his reaction to me shows why I feel this way. LOL Calix you are becoming lock town to me. Each post you make saying you hate trying to break to rule makes you more and more unlikely to have posted the bolded as scum. I agree with the conclusion, don't understand the explanation. Basically I think she would think it would be dirty to lie about something host-related. So with her attitude, it is 99% the truth that she was fed up with you and almost ready to PM the hosts. And it's way more likely than she's this angry as town than as scum, 'cause as scum you are actually her best friend; townreading her and shitting up the thread at the same time; she would have no reason to be angry at you.
I understand where you're coming from. However, the part you bolded was taken out of context. She said that should would take my toxicity to the hosts.
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On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo. The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me
No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?
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I can answer the Skynx stuff when I'm not in a movie for class, but I'm putting my vote on mahrgell.
He STILL hasn't said anything conclusive or definitive. He keeps asking the same things to the same people to stall and buy time. He's also using the OMGIS first game defense now. I remember my first forum game (This is my fourth) and I rolled scum. I play a ton of IRL mafia and I'm pretty good at it, but I was terrible with trying to forge reads as scum G1. I can't remember the title of the game but it was on TL.
I see a lot of parallels between my playstyle that game, and his play style in this game. Outside of this, I've already written content on my mahrgell scum read. Look through my filter if you want a refresher. Also find it interesting that he peaches out with all his reads for family time, then as soon as I put heat on him, he finds the time to go semi filter diving and engage with people again.
##Vote: mahrgell
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On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo. The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?
He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game
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On November 04 2016 07:12 mahrgell wrote:
Foreman: I see where you are coming from, again. Honestly, if you are right, I would consider it rather sad, but I guess the "be a dick" meta is really the current thing. But here I still lack any attempt by Foremen to progress the game. Okay, let him be blunt, let him be the noBS type. But what did he contribute?
At this point I actually question myself, as I seem to be the only one not liking Foremen. But I simply can't get it. All reasons for him to be town sound like yours "He doesnt give a fuck about others". Yeah, but maybe it would be a useful trait to actually give a fuck about others.
Hard to give a fuck about people I don't know. It's a personality thing. Even moreso when it comes to online interactions.
Does the fact I'm distant and cold make me scum? If so, prepare to mislynch me consistently for at least a few months.
I could go into detail about why I can come across a bit harsh, but I think that would best be discussed after the game.
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On November 04 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote:
I can answer the Skynx stuff when I'm not in a movie for class, but I'm putting my vote on mahrgell.
He STILL hasn't said anything conclusive or definitive. He keeps asking the same things to the same people to stall and buy time. He's also using the OMGIS first game defense now. I remember my first forum game (This is my fourth) and I rolled scum. I play a ton of IRL mafia and I'm pretty good at it, but I was terrible with trying to forge reads as scum G1. I can't remember the title of the game but it was on TL.
I see a lot of parallels between my playstyle that game, and his play style in this game. Outside of this, I've already written content on my mahrgell scum read. Look through my filter if you want a refresher. Also find it interesting that he peaches out with all his reads for family time, then as soon as I put heat on him, he finds the time to go semi filter diving and engage with people again.
##Vote: mahrgell
I just checked and he has almost as many pages of filter now at half D1 (4 pages) than you had for the whole game (5 pages):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?user=darthfoley
So regardless of any quality issue you might have on his reads, I'm calling bullshit on the argument that his play here reminds you of your own. He obviously have no problem posting in the thread even under pressure.
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On November 04 2016 07:47 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 07:42 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday because if I was scum and foreman, I wouldn't be half-assing it like he is. I check to make sure what I'm posting lines up with everything else posted so far. If he's scum and not reading something he's directly posting about then it's poor scum play imo. The tone of his posts comes across as lazy half-assing towny rather than scummy to me No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ? He and NU both jumped on my Calix shit at the start of the game
OK it makes sense then
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On November 04 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote:
I can answer the Skynx stuff when I'm not in a movie for class, but I'm putting my vote on mahrgell.
He STILL hasn't said anything conclusive or definitive. He keeps asking the same things to the same people to stall and buy time. He's also using the OMGIS first game defense now. I remember my first forum game (This is my fourth) and I rolled scum. I play a ton of IRL mafia and I'm pretty good at it, but I was terrible with trying to forge reads as scum G1. I can't remember the title of the game but it was on TL.
I see a lot of parallels between my playstyle that game, and his play style in this game. Outside of this, I've already written content on my mahrgell scum read. Look through my filter if you want a refresher. Also find it interesting that he peaches out with all his reads for family time, then as soon as I put heat on him, he finds the time to go semi filter diving and engage with people again.
##Vote: mahrgell
I've read the game that you're referring to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia
I was looking for it for a while to compare your play, actually 
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IIRC that game had 13 people so I could get away with posting less. The OMGIS defense even saved me from a lynch early on. In a 9 person game, you can't be as passive.
All his posts are generic double reads not saying anything of great substance. I would be fine posting a bunch if I wasn't actually saying anything
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Also Rels equating post count to play style (as the only way of measuring playstyle) is pretty dumb and narrow sighted
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On November 04 2016 07:53 Rels wrote:
##Vote darthfoley
Hopefully you don't lead as effective a mislynch train as you did in our cell mafia game 
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On November 04 2016 07:54 Calix wrote:
Damn it, Rels.
haha
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On November 04 2016 07:57 darthfoley wrote:Hopefully you don't lead as effective a mislynch train as you did in our cell mafia game
lol that's exactly my fear and I'm rereading your filter on this game right now
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On November 04 2016 07:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote:
I can answer the Skynx stuff when I'm not in a movie for class, but I'm putting my vote on mahrgell.
He STILL hasn't said anything conclusive or definitive. He keeps asking the same things to the same people to stall and buy time. He's also using the OMGIS first game defense now. I remember my first forum game (This is my fourth) and I rolled scum. I play a ton of IRL mafia and I'm pretty good at it, but I was terrible with trying to forge reads as scum G1. I can't remember the title of the game but it was on TL.
I see a lot of parallels between my playstyle that game, and his play style in this game. Outside of this, I've already written content on my mahrgell scum read. Look through my filter if you want a refresher. Also find it interesting that he peaches out with all his reads for family time, then as soon as I put heat on him, he finds the time to go semi filter diving and engage with people again.
##Vote: mahrgell I've read the game that you're referring to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafiaI was looking for it for a while to compare your play, actually
Is it somewhat similar to his play here?
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On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up. Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous. I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background? Lulz. Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself. But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting. Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum. So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say. I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters. "not familiar with" If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you? Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT?
You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes?
Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing.
If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that.
That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou.
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Anyway, skimmed through that filter. Noticed a few things.
(inb4 Rels beats me to the uptake with a detailed meta analysis)
1. His tone is different. More confident, less reliance on going "I agree with X about Y" with his posts. Either he's town this game or he's improved his scum play. (game is dated in January this year)
2. He's more serious this game.
3. Kind of leads on from Point #2 but he's more focused on sorting players in this round, I feel.
So there's nothing that makes me think "DF IS LOCK TOWN, NEVER LYNCHING" but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
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On November 04 2016 07:47 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:12 mahrgell wrote:
Foreman: I see where you are coming from, again. Honestly, if you are right, I would consider it rather sad, but I guess the "be a dick" meta is really the current thing. But here I still lack any attempt by Foremen to progress the game. Okay, let him be blunt, let him be the noBS type. But what did he contribute?
At this point I actually question myself, as I seem to be the only one not liking Foremen. But I simply can't get it. All reasons for him to be town sound like yours "He doesnt give a fuck about others". Yeah, but maybe it would be a useful trait to actually give a fuck about others.
Hard to give a fuck about people I don't know. It's a personality thing. Even moreso when it comes to online interactions. Does the fact I'm distant and cold make me scum? If so, prepare to mislynch me consistently for at least a few months. I could go into detail about why I can come across a bit harsh, but I think that would best be discussed after the game.
Well... took the time the time to reread your entire filter under this assumption of your playstyle/character, which was also suggested by Rels before.
Looking at it this way, I will concede, that it does not look as scummy as what I had in mind.
Still most of it it consists out of snarky comments or you calling someones post bullshit. There were some useful and original parts on Skynx though.
With this in mind, I'm feeling to correct my read on you to Neut again. A Neut with a playstyle I don't like, but well.. Will have to deal with it and remember it reading your future posts.
With that... I need some new vote target.
##Unvote
Lemme check Exo again, he was my #2 and posted new stuff... Back in a bit.
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