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darthfoley
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if i've played a fair amount of mafia irl, will i be okay to sign up for non-newbie mafia games like this? or are the online vs. irl versions of the game significantly different to the point where I should only sign up for newbie games? Been itching to play some Mafia  Will probably follow this game either way | ||
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On January 02 2016 22:54 boxerfred wrote: Prerequisite for my in is that it doesnt start before january 9. Forgot to say that, im in spain currently, being a good german and enjoying vacation on Mallorca. Indeed, for me I am on vacation until Jan 7. Anything after that is fair game for me | ||
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Anyhow, excited to play some mafia. This is my first time playing on forums, although I have played a lot of irl mafia so a lot of stuff should transfer hopefully. Reading through the past 5 pages, so far I am getting a town read from rayne, He seems very logical so far in his thinking of Giygas and sloosh. I agree that Templar's opening was kinda awkward and confusing, but as an inexperienced player I feel where you're coming from. I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far | ||
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darthfoley
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On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote: Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason. darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me. | ||
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On January 09 2016 15:43 slOosh wrote: You don't think the way that he exited thread is weird? He spends a good chunk of posts swaying rayn's town read of me, and when rayn comes around he leaves with this? Agreed. I think Noon has only posted once, so throwing his name out there with "reasons I can't promise I will remember" seems like a random bone to throw out early on-- unless the reason is inactivity. Maybe there's some meta history I'm not aware of? | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote: I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity. | ||
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darthfoley
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##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote: What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. | ||
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darthfoley
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On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote: A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players? Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada. I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful. But you said this: This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post. You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you? If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful. Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.) Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. | ||
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On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote: They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask. But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first. I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey. The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read. But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this. I just want to know what that something is. The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this | ||
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On January 09 2016 22:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I feel like you contradict yourself in the two bold statements. You wonder why he won't back off Sloosh when he says he won't target active towns people. Then he backs off Sloosh to target inactive towns people. Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on. I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now. I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active people: VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance. + Show Spoiler + logic dictates that we are playing on setup 3, as that is the most common number chosen on a 4 way choice. I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town. ##Unvote: Koshi ##Vote: VayneAuthority That's all I have for now | ||
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darthfoley
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Can someone explain how a Named VT works? It's a VT with no additional powers, so how is it any different from a VT? Basically, what does the "named" do? | ||
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On January 10 2016 05:03 Eden1892 wrote: Ok. So, you felt the Noonian vote and the attempt to sway ray's vote was suspicious. In what way(s) were they so? I don't care that you have decided Koshi isn't suspicious anymore, I just want to know why you felt he was so I may evaluate your alignment. Well if I were scum, I think it would make sense to get in the ear of someone who has basically been agreed to be town read, especially when he (rayne) has been leading a lot of the discussion. If you are being helpful to one of the "towniest town" people, you could be either helpful town or smart scum. I initially read it as a clever scum play. I've already explained why I found the Noonian vote suspicious: there was nothing concrete about it and seemed random because Noonian hadn't posted anything at that point. Also, thanks for the Named VT explanation | ||
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2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet. | ||
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On January 10 2016 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: and kush + Tube too... I am quite certain Eden, VA, darthfoley are town. GiygaS...not gonna lynch on D1 most likely, especially if he keeps his activity up and is being reasonable. Koshi and GGTemplar look fine as for now. Did you say that Kush = Noonian? | ||
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