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On November 05 2016 00:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 00:14 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
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Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.
What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Who's not reading the game now? Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today I not so subtly hinted at this last night, and coming back to it today I can't help but reach the same conclusion. Doesn't the bolded line look line something meant for a scum QT? Is this a massive slip or am I crazy? No it doesn't. Why would scum!ExO make a post meant for the scum QT in the same post that he talks to NU?
Thats why it's called a slip.
I have to admit it's a shitty way to be found out if you are scum kus you've been playing really well.
It makes a ton of sense though, kus you've been really weird about your reads on both myself and Exo. You townread Exo forever without ever having reasons to (you even said yourself, you just didn't see the scum modivations but didn't have any reasons to TR him). Most of pages 30-40 you keep talking like you could go either way on me and keep telling people to look at the case on me, never try to come to much of a conclusion yourself.
You also made that really paranoid response when I asked you about your townread on Exo.
The more I've thought about it the more it makes sense.
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On November 05 2016 00:33 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 00:23 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 00:14 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:
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Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?
please.
Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Who's not reading the game now? Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today I not so subtly hinted at this last night, and coming back to it today I can't help but reach the same conclusion. Doesn't the bolded line look line something meant for a scum QT? Is this a massive slip or am I crazy? No it doesn't. Why would scum!ExO make a post meant for the scum QT in the same post that he talks to NU? Thats why it's called a slip. I have to admit it's a shitty way to be found out if you are scum kus you've been playing really well. It makes a ton of sense though, kus you've been really weird about your reads on both myself and Exo. You townread Exo forever without ever having reasons to (you even said yourself, you just didn't see the scum modivations but didn't have any reasons to TR him). Most of pages 30-40 you keep talking like you could go either way on me and keep telling people to look at the case on me, never try to come to much of a conclusion yourself. You also made that really paranoid response when I asked you about your townread on Exo. The more I've thought about it the more it makes sense.
No, it ISN'T a slip because it's clearly not a post meant for the scum QT because otherwise the NU comment wouldn't be there.
I wasn't 'going either way on you'. I've been going through most of the game thinking that it's TvT and only took a closer look at you two recently before deciding that ExO is a better lynch than you. Being a black sheep with regards to ExO isn't scummy.
I'm not going to waste anymore time with your dumb tinfoil theory. If you actually think this, you're going to have to case me and maybe then you'll get some sense knocked into you.
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I hate hate hate NU in past 14-16 hours or so.
He established some kind of town agenda earlier on and from there on just took a nosedive by Moosy'ing his way through. I noticed few things while I was skimming through: He posts shit ton of one-liners to fill up his 9page filter. Almost all of his votes have absolutely no reasoning behind. He posts bunch of flying thoughs around with very little justification. It's almost like he just felt like posting absolutely whatever he wants and try to make them sound like they make sense.
Altho only after going through his filter I realised how bad it is. These are in no particular order:
On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_
Reasons for the vote?
On November 04 2016 08:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:18 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_ reason? yes
ok lets find the actual reasoning from his filter + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 08:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU A) How would sheeping Rels' reads make me scum? B) Fact-check of borrowing my read on you from Rels: Rels' posts that apply to a scum-read: + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 07:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:17 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ? Not particularly. I'll be honest I didn't go back and read. It had been 18+ hours by the time I woke up today and I didn't feel like going back through it. Fabricated though? please. And this ? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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Who's not reading the game now?
Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me. And why would I be a decent lynch? Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up). Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ? BTW what's your read on foreman ? lean town, but im annoyed with him and his inability to read the thread On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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Who's not reading the game now?
Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me. And why would I be a decent lynch? Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up). Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ? BTW what's your read on foreman ? From memory If Foreman is a townlean, why did you consider rereading his filter a priority in your last post yesterday ? Here: On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. And why didn't you reread NU filter and read TT's instead ? On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ? My reasoning to sr you: Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere. The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing. Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him? + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday We rate this claim false.
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
"I don't think you are trying to go somewhere", "phony and unsincere"
wow thats a hell of a case there, just keep this in mind for a second, it's gona make some sense later on.
On November 04 2016 09:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:So I re-read the case on Tictock and was left disappointed. Nothing mentioned makes Tictock mafia. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote:More badness cuz of word limit Tictock Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_ Exo is scum with Foreman Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it. Nothing about Foreman this is literally the worse case ever Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. "pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there. what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong.
##Vote: Tictock
I gave bunch of reasons there, when some people read that, they agreed or disagreeed for those points for whatever reason (aka Calix & TT), you however just feel like pushing this aside with one hand. Do you care to explain why none of those make him mafia?? Cuz that is actually a case unlike anything you've done with votes or scumreads this game.
On November 04 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Mahrgell
Anotha one
Now on to the fun stuff:
On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.
Ok, this seems to be some meta read, care to give reasons ah but that would be no fun would it?
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
v
TT (=) / Rels (+)
Calix (=) / Skynx (+)
DF (-) / Foreman (=) / ExO (-=)
mahrgell (=)
w
 anyone?
On November 04 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have a strong feeling that Rels is town, even moreso with his latest posts. Calix, why is he your preferred lynch atm?
Another read with no reason, lets put a random question in there to divert atttention and people might not realise I'm making shit up from thin air.
On November 04 2016 07:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:
mahr, with cakepie's announcement, I'm pretty much mod-confirmed.
huehuehue
On November 04 2016 11:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have read TT's filter and found it to be townie. Why do people scum-read him anyway? ExO seemed like an OMGUS vote while I did not find anything mafia telling in Skynx's case. Skynx, if you believe in your case, would you please highlight what makes him scum or propose new arguments? Else, who d'you think's scummeh?
As it stands, I am willing to lynch Foreman and ExO. Maybe mahrgell if I really hedge my read, and maybe Skynx as he seems like he's doing the bare minimum not to get PLed.
Hahahaha no sir. YOU give some reasons for why you think some stuff are the way they are, then you are allowed to question other people on why they think they are the way they are.
I can't see one thing in that filter that suggests NU has done a towny thing this game. Please speak now if you think NU is town and state why.
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Upon further examination from detective Foley (reading ExO vs. Ticktock specifically), I have made a tentative conclusion:
I think I was wrong about TT, I feel as though ExO is the best lynch today, followed by Skynx probably. I am willing to hold off on mahrgell, as I think Rels brought up decent points and explained mahrgell's argument more clearly to me re Foreman vs. Rels inconsistency.
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
Other people have pointed it out, but I don't like this as an explanation and it seems very shallow. Rels's point regarding the OMGUS nature of ExO's arguments is compelling as well. I remember being very OMGUS towards Rels in our cell mafia game, but the stakes were MUCH higher in that game, hence the desperate play on my part (I was town). There's really no reason from ExO to be this defensive and OMGUS on D1. ExO also claims to trust Skynx
On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:I didn't like his filter and trust skynx
but later thinks that if he dies, town should investigate me and Skynx
On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum
Don't understand the sudden paranoia/change of heart, especially when Skynx is the only one still pushing the TT train. Regarding my TT case, upon second read through, I really liked his defense of this point
On November 04 2016 02:45 Tictock wrote:Responding to Darth, Show nested quote +
Not trying to rehash everything, but IMO saying it's illogical for town to do something, worded in that way, implies a mafia lean to some extent. TT, can you explain, how it shows "deeper thinking" and why that deeper thinking indicates Calix to be town?
Kus it's really easy for scum to go, "Thats illogical! Contradiction! Scum!" but as we all know town acts illogically and contradict themselves plenty often. Trying to find out what caused that by asking questions is that deeper thinking, not pigeon holeing someone based off one silly thing (see Exo or Foreman's push on Calix for examples there).Show nested quote +The green implies that TT should be townreading Skynx, and maybe even ExO for doing things "mafia normally wouldn't do" (i.e. drawing attention to themselves early), yet he flips in the next paragraph to saying his opening was scummy for being silent? You can't have it both ways.
Hadn't thought about it in that way. I see why it's very easy for mafia to just latch onto logical inconsistency (ironic, given my mahrgell tunnel) and not let it go.
Regarding me, I still don't think the Skynx thing held much merit. I think he's probably second lynch today considering his lack of activity and the way he seems to be sort of waffling on TT/ExO now?
My mahrgell tunnel was simply lazy; I waited to invest myself in ExO vs. TT after my case, because I wanted fresh eyes when I read it. The only thing I'll say about mahrgell is that I put 0 stock in lots of activity = town lean because I lost to a 30 page filter Shapelog in a newbie mafia game and will never forget it. Fuck that
I will probably look through NU/Calix filter at some point; anytime I see a 10 page filter on D1 I get triggered. I hate spam
##Vote:ExO
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I didn't read Skynx's last WoT before I posted mine, will do so ASAP
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That's a lot of words to say "I think NU has dropped off since his opening posts"
NU did explain his 'historically speaking' post with some weird Kenpachi thing.
I don't understand what half of your reasons even mean. The cow emoticon, why you included NU's post about being 'mod-confirmed', something about his reasoning for voting ExO.
???
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Vote Count
ExO_ (7) : NeverUnlucky (X), Tictock, NeverUnlucky (X), NeverUnlucky, mahrgell, Foreman, Calix, Rels, darthfoley
Tictock (2) : Skynx, darthfoley (X), ExO_
Calix (0) : ExO_ (X), Foreman (X), NeverUnlucky (X), NeverUnlucky (X)
darthfoley (0) : Rels (X)
Foreman (0) : mahrgell (X)
mahrgell (0) : Foreman (X), Calix (X), NeverUnlucky (X), darthfoley (X)
NeverUnlucky (0) : Calix (X), Skynx (X)
Rels (0) : Calix (X)
Skynx (0) : Foreman (X)
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I'm getting a tad paranoid with the one train lynch ???
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On November 05 2016 01:04 darthfoley wrote:
I'm getting a tad paranoid with the one train lynch ???
Happened in my last scum game too. I am assuming that it's for a similar reason if ExO is mafia - scum are cutting their losses by bussing because he is indefensible.
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Yea we will see soon enough
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Going from my last post, that would incriminate DF, Rels, myself in particular since we were late voters and made a case on ExO before voting even though he was definitely getting lynched at those points.
I can't blame TT for thinking that I'm mafia with ExO. It's not like I had anything to do with getting ExO lynched. Sure, he's going for the obvious target because I was town-reading ExO and thus that looks obviously bad if ExO is scum. I think it's reasonable to suspect me based on that even though there's not much I can say on that front. Too bad that he had to ruin it by going into tunnel-territory with "EXO SCUM-SLIPPED THAT HE'S MAFIA WITH CALIX"
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On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote:
Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
Letme post a random thought about Skynx' emo posts to appear like I'm doing something. Nothing usefull.
on Calix:
On November 03 2016 22:52 Rels wrote:
TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game
The game he's talking about Calix got townread by almost everyone D1 for very casual play with just posting random reads and took a nosedive later on. Me and TT nailed him by role usage later on. So TT is aware of Calix can do random stuff and look very town with it.
On November 04 2016 06:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote:
I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.
Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere. This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push.
I have to agree with this. In the game so far no one has been objectively towny and giving out townreads is kina hard at this point. Now this might be regarded completely vice versa as Calix giving easy reads cuz he's wifoming scum but I think Calix has been towny so far even after doing some bad stuff early on. I think re-read on his reasonings for townreads will tell a lot about both Rels and Calix' alignments but this stuff above will suggest they are either town together or scum together.
On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.
I like this, TT's post was shit and he recognised it.
On November 04 2016 07:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:for rels Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain. On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif. Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI? Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think. However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical. Mind meld. Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama Foreman did not write off Calix ._. He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz Obviously no post will scream scum. Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes. Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless? I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away I can see why you hated it. Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times: "I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that) "I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama" "I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes." Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:15 Rels wrote:
LOL rereading the last two sentences it doesnt have match up
DF WHY THE FUCK would you go from "YEAH SKYNX IS RIGHT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS USELESS" to "SKYNX POSTS WERE USELESS" ? You apparently agreed with Skynx that there was not much to talk about ? Why did you consider Skynx posts useless when you agreed with them ? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:for rels Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain. On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif. Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI? Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think. However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry. I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical. Mind meld. Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama Foreman did not write off Calix ._. He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz Obviously no post will scream scum. Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes. Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless? I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away I can see why you hated it. Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times: "I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that) "I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama" "I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes." This is more directed at your next post, but I don't understand your argument. I'm assuming that you're talking about this, right? I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes. I don't see the incongruency. Isn't he basically saying "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"? Now that I've written it out like that, that's a pretty weird thing to say since it doesn't say much at all and the way it's worded makes it sound like he slight-town-read me because I agreed that Skynx was useless. But I don't think it's inconsistent. Nope. He didn't say "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless" He said "Skynx said everything was NAI and I agree with him", then "I agree Skynx' psots were useless until that very last one about the votes". Basically he both agrees that these posts are useless but also agree with them: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages  On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies? On November 03 2016 05:14 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:10 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO. "all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on. With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. ![[image loading]](http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq303/neko_riddles/Fighting_Over_Marisa_From_Touhou_Pr.gif) So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. Here is what happened: Skynx entered thread Skynx complained about unproductive content Skynx provided unproductive content What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks. Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to. I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches. The posta bout the votes is: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 05:18 Skynx wrote:Bah fine; Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:15 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:12 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response) And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response. If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game. You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum ##vote Calix These are absolutely terrible votes.
I dunno what to think about this whole mess. So he thinks darth has slipped? Imo its a very minor thing, even more when considered people said so so many bad stuff in first few hours of the game. Why there is so much emphasis on this one read and not others?
On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote:Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player. These posts make me think that: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies? On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. Here is what happened: Skynx entered thread Skynx complained about unproductive content Skynx provided unproductive content What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks. Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to. I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches. On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells.
So this is like the most biased read ever. Suggesting me wifoming scum by raging is very biased as he knows I did it in my btdt game as doctor D1 which later on decided the game. He blatantly ignores that and uses my previous scum game to suggest meta.
Then there is the case on Exo, with only argument being Exo is overly defensive which has been used over and over and over again since the minute the game started.
All in all I'm not liking Rels but not sure what to do with him either. He is in no way town yet but none of above makes him objectively scummy compared to TT and NU.
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I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window.
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I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.
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On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.
How is NU objective scum? I saw nothing of the sort in your case.
I also disagree that TT is 'objective scum'.
I'm also not sure how you missed all of the ExO posts with regards to the early game/ TT's case/ Rels' post before he voted for ExO/ my posts prior to voting for ExO/ darthfoley's post before voting for ExO. I'm not saying that everything in those posts I've flagged up meets your criteria of 'objective scum' but there's definitely a better case for ExO compared to TT/ NU.
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Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Calix is quite null actually this was hard to decide. His early game has been bad a he should know better by now after 3 games here that him vs NU just results in them filling filters and nothing else. He needs more thorough read for sure. I'm mostly townreading him on tone which I'm kinda confident after playing with him often in past few months, which i know is bad but its the best i can do atm.
Darth had that conspiracy about his opinion on me as a reason Rels and some others scumread, which doesn't mean anything imo but need to read him later on. I just got the feeling he's not been bad overall.
I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
Read above for opinions on Rels.
Read cases in filter for opinions on NU and TT.
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On November 05 2016 01:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him. How is NU objective scum? I saw nothing of the sort in your case. I also disagree that TT is 'objective scum'. I'm also not sure how you missed all of the ExO posts with regards to the early game/ TT's case/ Rels' post before he voted for ExO/ my posts prior to voting for ExO/ darthfoley's post before voting for ExO. I'm not saying that everything in those posts I've flagged up meets your criteria of 'objective scum' but there's definitely a better case for ExO compared to TT/ NU.
I disagree. Can you bring up cases on Exo?
I know Rels is voting Exo cuz of over defensiveness. I know NU is voting Exo for very very bad reasons which makes him scum, this is in my case.
Same for TT.
I have no idea why you, Foreman and mahg vote Exo.
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On November 05 2016 00:52 Skynx wrote:I hate hate hate NU in past 14-16 hours or so. He established some kind of town agenda earlier on and from there on just took a nosedive by Moosy'ing his way through. I noticed few things while I was skimming through: He posts shit ton of one-liners to fill up his 9page filter. Almost all of his votes have absolutely no reasoning behind. He posts bunch of flying thoughs around with very little justification. It's almost like he just felt like posting absolutely whatever he wants and try to make them sound like they make sense. Altho only after going through his filter I realised how bad it is. These are in no particular order: Reasons for the vote? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 08:18 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_ reason? yes ok lets find the actual reasoning from his filter + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 08:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU A) How would sheeping Rels' reads make me scum? B) Fact-check of borrowing my read on you from Rels: Rels' posts that apply to a scum-read: + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 07:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:17 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ? Not particularly. I'll be honest I didn't go back and read. It had been 18+ hours by the time I woke up today and I didn't feel like going back through it. Fabricated though? please. And this ? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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Who's not reading the game now?
Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me. And why would I be a decent lynch? Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up). Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ? BTW what's your read on foreman ? lean town, but im annoyed with him and his inability to read the thread On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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Who's not reading the game now?
Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me. And why would I be a decent lynch? Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up). Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ? BTW what's your read on foreman ? From memory If Foreman is a townlean, why did you consider rereading his filter a priority in your last post yesterday ? Here: On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. And why didn't you reread NU filter and read TT's instead ? On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ? My reasoning to sr you: Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere. The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing. Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him? + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday We rate this claim false. Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere. "I don't think you are trying to go somewhere", "phony and unsincere" wow thats a hell of a case there, just keep this in mind for a second, it's gona make some sense later on. Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:So I re-read the case on Tictock and was left disappointed. Nothing mentioned makes Tictock mafia. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote:More badness cuz of word limit Tictock Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_ Exo is scum with Foreman Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it. Nothing about Foreman this is literally the worse case ever Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. "pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there. what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong.
##Vote: Tictock I gave bunch of reasons there, when some people read that, they agreed or disagreeed for those points for whatever reason (aka Calix & TT), you however just feel like pushing this aside with one hand. Do you care to explain why none of those make him mafia?? Cuz that is actually a case unlike anything you've done with votes or scumreads this game. Anotha one Now on to the fun stuff: Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia. Ok, this seems to be some meta read, care to give reasons ah but that would be no fun would it? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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TT (=) / Rels (+)
Calix (=) / Skynx (+)
DF (-) / Foreman (=) / ExO (-=)
mahrgell (=)
w anyone? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have a strong feeling that Rels is town, even moreso with his latest posts. Calix, why is he your preferred lynch atm? Another read with no reason, lets put a random question in there to divert atttention and people might not realise I'm making shit up from thin air. Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:
mahr, with cakepie's announcement, I'm pretty much mod-confirmed. huehuehue Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 11:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have read TT's filter and found it to be townie. Why do people scum-read him anyway? ExO seemed like an OMGUS vote while I did not find anything mafia telling in Skynx's case. Skynx, if you believe in your case, would you please highlight what makes him scum or propose new arguments? Else, who d'you think's scummeh?
As it stands, I am willing to lynch Foreman and ExO. Maybe mahrgell if I really hedge my read, and maybe Skynx as he seems like he's doing the bare minimum not to get PLed. Hahahaha no sir. YOU give some reasons for why you think some stuff are the way they are, then you are allowed to question other people on why they think they are the way they are. I can't see one thing in that filter that suggests NU has done a towny thing this game. Please speak now if you think NU is town and state why.
I think NU is town because he fought with other people over reads which is his town meta, because he tried to break the game to gain towncred which is usually something town do, because he posted his mafia metric team in the thread during the first half of D1 and it's a weird plan to do if he's scum.
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No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
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