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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 12:36 GMT
#841
On November 04 2016 21:23 Calix wrote:
I'm going to laugh if ExO is mafia and TT/ NU/ mahrgell/ myself are ALL town because that would be the most epic spew.

Call me unrealistically optimistic.

LOL it might actually be the case
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 12:44 GMT
#842
On November 04 2016 21:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 21:23 Calix wrote:
I'm going to laugh if ExO is mafia and TT/ NU/ mahrgell/ myself are ALL town because that would be the most epic spew.

Call me unrealistically optimistic.

LOL it might actually be the case


Finished reading Skynx' ISO yet?

As it stands, I'm thinking that we're in an ExO/ darthfoley world. I'm thinking this because:

1. You make good points against him.

2. I remember that he made that poor TT case and I'm going to check now, but if he made that after ExO was starting to get votes or whatever then I'm going to be really suspicious of him. (shameless pre-flip association but hey)
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 12:48 GMT
#843
On November 04 2016 21:44 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 21:36 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 21:23 Calix wrote:
I'm going to laugh if ExO is mafia and TT/ NU/ mahrgell/ myself are ALL town because that would be the most epic spew.

Call me unrealistically optimistic.

LOL it might actually be the case


Finished reading Skynx' ISO yet?

As it stands, I'm thinking that we're in an ExO/ darthfoley world. I'm thinking this because:

1. You make good points against him.

2. I remember that he made that poor TT case and I'm going to check now, but if he made that after ExO was starting to get votes or whatever then I'm going to be really suspicious of him. (shameless pre-flip association but hey)


Update: Checked his case and the last page before that. darthfoley was getting questioned by Rels/ NU and darthfoley was being critical of ExO. darthfoley later voted for mahrgell although this wagon is not a popular one.

I'm concluding that the evidence is not strong enough to form a pre-flip association.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 12:58 GMT
#844
On November 04 2016 21:44 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 21:36 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 21:23 Calix wrote:
I'm going to laugh if ExO is mafia and TT/ NU/ mahrgell/ myself are ALL town because that would be the most epic spew.

Call me unrealistically optimistic.

LOL it might actually be the case


Finished reading Skynx' ISO yet?

As it stands, I'm thinking that we're in an ExO/ darthfoley world. I'm thinking this because:

1. You make good points against him.

2. I remember that he made that poor TT case and I'm going to check now, but if he made that after ExO was starting to get votes or whatever then I'm going to be really suspicious of him. (shameless pre-flip association but hey)

Nope, and I'm back to work so that won't be before a few hours. It's not super convincing one way or another though. I see some similarities (some big posts where he's tryharding, some other posts where he's trolling). But his filter is townier than in this game, at least up to the point where I stopped, so it's pretty weird. p:
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 13:00 GMT
#845
Calix, where do you stand on your Rels read? You seem to be trusting him much more now.

I personally have him as my tinfoil read.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 13:08 GMT
#846
Also, why did you town-read ExO before?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 13:11 GMT
#847
He can go in the townpile for now since he's making more sense, so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If I'm wrong on one of ExO/ darthfoley then I would revisit him.

Also I thought I had posted my updated list. Well here it is:

MAFIA
ExO (too much scummy behaviour to justify from a town POV at this point)
darthfoley (Rels made another point against him that I agree with)
Rels (has made some decent points for/ against players as of late, can be given the benefit of the doubt for now)
Tictock (goes down a notch for recent tinfoil but if ExO is mafia then he's almost-always town since he was the counter-wagon)
Skynx (depends on what he does next)
Foreman (good tone, content is questionable but he doesn't give a fuck)
mahrgell
NeverUnlucky
Calix
TOWN
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 13:14 GMT
#848
On November 04 2016 22:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Also, why did you town-read ExO before?


Because I thought that his actions made more sense from "shit town" than "mafia" since I think his early play is sub-optimal for mafia and I still don't quite get why he would do it as scum. I think I gave him the benefit of the doubt for too long but given that nobody else was, I don't think that's a bad thing.

But that doubt is not strong enough to override the mountain of evidence against him at this point, thus he is probably mafia and a great lynch.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 13:22 GMT
#849
Your Foreman read is something I disagree on.

I don't find his tone to be 'good' or 'town'. His sentences are always cut which makes his tone look rude / raw. It's a measly argument because it could just be his natural way of typing and be NAI, but I still very much disagree that he has a 'good' tone. He reminds me of scum!Titus for reference.

Not giving a fuck is not AI. Look at Palmar in HM3, Vivax in Dota 2.

I don't like how he tends to exaggerate most things he touches. For instance, he called out ExO for bullying for something that clearly was not bullying, and early in the day he called you out for a discredit which objectively was not a discredit.

Yes, his content is questionable. I don't remember him pushing anybody other than you, and that even that push was questionable.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 13:24 GMT
#850
and even that*
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 14:18 GMT
#851
On November 04 2016 22:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, where do you stand on your Rels read? You seem to be trusting him much more now.

I personally have him as my tinfoil read.

On November 04 2016 22:11 Calix wrote:
He can go in the townpile for now since he's making more sense, so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If I'm wrong on one of ExO/ darthfoley then I would revisit him.

Also I thought I had posted my updated list. Well here it is:

MAFIA
ExO (too much scummy behaviour to justify from a town POV at this point)
darthfoley (Rels made another point against him that I agree with)
Rels (has made some decent points for/ against players as of late, can be given the benefit of the doubt for now)
Tictock (goes down a notch for recent tinfoil but if ExO is mafia then he's almost-always town since he was the counter-wagon)
Skynx (depends on what he does next)
Foreman (good tone, content is questionable but he doesn't give a fuck)
mahrgell
NeverUnlucky
Calix
TOWN

Does any of you have any grounds to scumread me other that "he was AFK the first half of D1" ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 14:44 GMT
#852
On November 04 2016 22:22 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Your Foreman read is something I disagree on.

I don't find his tone to be 'good' or 'town'. His sentences are always cut which makes his tone look rude / raw. It's a measly argument because it could just be his natural way of typing and be NAI, but I still very much disagree that he has a 'good' tone. He reminds me of scum!Titus for reference.

Not giving a fuck is not AI. Look at Palmar in HM3, Vivax in Dota 2.

I don't like how he tends to exaggerate most things he touches. For instance, he called out ExO for bullying for something that clearly was not bullying, and early in the day he called you out for a discredit which objectively was not a discredit.

Yes, his content is questionable. I don't remember him pushing anybody other than you, and that even that push was questionable.

I don't agree that it is not AI. Faking not giving a shit while actually giving a shit is actually pretty hard. Palmar is one of the best scum in this forum, Vivax is usually a pretty easy find as scum.
And what he's doing is not giving a shit about people opinion on him. He's engaging people and looking like he wants to solve the game.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
November 04 2016 15:07 GMT
#853
Yo I'm around, and should be popping in and out through EoD.

Went out with my roommates last night and not feeling like doing much reading right now so if I missed anything in my reading last night or since then you should hound me about it.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
November 04 2016 15:14 GMT
#854
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?

please.

Lynch TT its so obvious at this point

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

1 to 7, check.

8 and 9 to go.


Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit

Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today


I not so subtly hinted at this last night, and coming back to it today I can't help but reach the same conclusion.

Doesn't the bolded line look line something meant for a scum QT?

Is this a massive slip or am I crazy?
I can take that responsibility.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 15:23 GMT
#855
On November 05 2016 00:14 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?

please.

Lynch TT its so obvious at this point

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

1 to 7, check.

8 and 9 to go.


Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit

Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today


I not so subtly hinted at this last night, and coming back to it today I can't help but reach the same conclusion.

Doesn't the bolded line look line something meant for a scum QT?

Is this a massive slip or am I crazy?


No it doesn't.

Why would scum!ExO make a post meant for the scum QT in the same post that he talks to NU?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
November 04 2016 15:23 GMT
#856
Hi. I'm back for about 40 minutes, then have a talk for a class for an hour, then might have half an hour between 1:00-2:00 for EoD discussion.

I'll try to respond to Rels/Calix and give my updated opinion on ExO vs. Ticktock. Gonna filter dive the latter now
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 15:25 GMT
#857
On November 05 2016 00:07 Tictock wrote:
Yo I'm around, and should be popping in and out through EoD.

Went out with my roommates last night and not feeling like doing much reading right now so if I missed anything in my reading last night or since then you should hound me about it.

I agree with you on ExO now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 15:26 GMT
#858
On November 05 2016 00:14 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.


Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?

please.

Lynch TT its so obvious at this point

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

1 to 7, check.

8 and 9 to go.


Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit

Who's not reading the game now?


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

Pointless argument, dismissed.


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today


I not so subtly hinted at this last night, and coming back to it today I can't help but reach the same conclusion.

Doesn't the bolded line look line something meant for a scum QT?

Is this a massive slip or am I crazy?

It would be hilarious =D
But since it is at the end of a random post I don't think that's even a possibility. If it was a post with just the last sentence you would have a better case, maybe
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 04 2016 15:28 GMT
#859
On November 04 2016 04:17 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote: TickTock


On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?


I didn't like his filter and trust skynx


On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum


What a turnaround in just a few hours.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 15:33 GMT
#860
On November 05 2016 00:28 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 04:17 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote: TickTock


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?


I didn't like his filter and trust skynx


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum


What a turnaround in just a few hours.

Oh yeah it is true too. His reason for voting TT was "because I trust Skynx", then when asked for a place to find scum this Skynx trust is gone.
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