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Rels
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November 04 2016 16:44 GMT
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On November 05 2016 01:17 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote:
Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.

Letme post a random thought about Skynx' emo posts to appear like I'm doing something. Nothing usefull.

on Calix:
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On November 03 2016 22:52 Rels wrote:
TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game

The game he's talking about Calix got townread by almost everyone D1 for very casual play with just posting random reads and took a nosedive later on. Me and TT nailed him by role usage later on. So TT is aware of Calix can do random stuff and look very town with it.

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On November 04 2016 06:23 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote:
I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.

Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.

This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push.

I have to agree with this. In the game so far no one has been objectively towny and giving out townreads is kina hard at this point. Now this might be regarded completely vice versa as Calix giving easy reads cuz he's wifoming scum but I think Calix has been towny so far even after doing some bad stuff early on. I think re-read on his reasonings for townreads will tell a lot about both Rels and Calix' alignments but this stuff above will suggest they are either town together or scum together.

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On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.

Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.

I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.

I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.

I like this, TT's post was shit and he recognised it.

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On November 04 2016 07:32 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:
for rels

Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.

On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.

I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.

Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?

Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.

However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.

On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth


I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy

On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.

Mind meld.

Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama


Foreman did not write off Calix ._.

He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz

Obviously no post will scream scum.

Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?

I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away

I can see why you hated it.

Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times:
"I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that)
"I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama"
"I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."

On November 04 2016 06:15 Rels wrote:
LOL rereading the last two sentences it doesnt have match up
DF WHY THE FUCK would you go from "YEAH SKYNX IS RIGHT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS USELESS" to "SKYNX POSTS WERE USELESS" ? You apparently agreed with Skynx that there was not much to talk about ? Why did you consider Skynx posts useless when you agreed with them ?

On November 04 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:
for rels

Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.

On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.

I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.

Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?

Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.

However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.

On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth


I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy

On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.

Mind meld.

Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama


Foreman did not write off Calix ._.

He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz

Obviously no post will scream scum.

Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?

I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away

I can see why you hated it.

Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times:
"I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that)
"I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama"
"I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."


This is more directed at your next post, but I don't understand your argument. I'm assuming that you're talking about this, right?

I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama

Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


I don't see the incongruency. Isn't he basically saying "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"?

Now that I've written it out like that, that's a pretty weird thing to say since it doesn't say much at all and the way it's worded makes it sound like he slight-town-read me because I agreed that Skynx was useless.

But I don't think it's inconsistent.

Nope. He didn't say "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"
He said "Skynx said everything was NAI and I agree with him", then "I agree Skynx' psots were useless until that very last one about the votes".
Basically he both agrees that these posts are useless but also agree with them:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read

On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...

On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?

On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages

On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.

On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.

Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies?

On November 03 2016 05:14 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 05:10 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.


Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.

"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.

With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.

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On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.


[image loading]


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.


On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.


Here is what happened:

Skynx entered thread
Skynx complained about unproductive content
Skynx provided unproductive content

What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.

Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.

I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches.


The posta bout the votes is:
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On November 03 2016 05:18 Skynx wrote:
Bah fine;

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On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.


[image loading]


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.


Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should

##Vote Calix


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On November 03 2016 03:15 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:12 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.


[image loading]


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.


You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?

Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment


Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)

And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.


If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.

You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum

##vote Calix


These are absolutely terrible votes.



I dunno what to think about this whole mess. So he thinks darth has slipped? Imo its a very minor thing, even more when considered people said so so many bad stuff in first few hours of the game. Why there is so much emphasis on this one read and not others?

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On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote:
Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks.
And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player.

These posts make me think that:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read

On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...

On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?

On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages

On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.

Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies?

On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.


Here is what happened:

Skynx entered thread
Skynx complained about unproductive content
Skynx provided unproductive content

What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.

Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.

I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches.

On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.

I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.

Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.

Haven't read Rels yet.

Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.


Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells.

So this is like the most biased read ever. Suggesting me wifoming scum by raging is very biased as he knows I did it in my btdt game as doctor D1 which later on decided the game. He blatantly ignores that and uses my previous scum game to suggest meta.

Then there is the case on Exo, with only argument being Exo is overly defensive which has been used over and over and over again since the minute the game started.

All in all I'm not liking Rels but not sure what to do with him either. He is in no way town yet but none of above makes him objectively scummy compared to TT and NU.


I'm not saying you're raging, you're not raging, I'm saying your tone at the beginning of the game seems forced.

Weird that you liked so many posts but you ended up with a "not liking" read ?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 04 2016 16:49 GMT
#882
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.

With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?

I don't relate to your DF read.

How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?

ok.

Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.

I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 16:49 GMT
#883
On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:

I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.

I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.

The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:

Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.

Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.


Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window.

This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy.
In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS.

The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 04 2016 16:51 GMT
#884
On November 05 2016 01:44 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:17 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote:
Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.

Letme post a random thought about Skynx' emo posts to appear like I'm doing something. Nothing usefull.

on Calix:
On November 03 2016 22:52 Rels wrote:
TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game

The game he's talking about Calix got townread by almost everyone D1 for very casual play with just posting random reads and took a nosedive later on. Me and TT nailed him by role usage later on. So TT is aware of Calix can do random stuff and look very town with it.

On November 04 2016 06:23 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote:
I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.

Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.

This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push.

I have to agree with this. In the game so far no one has been objectively towny and giving out townreads is kina hard at this point. Now this might be regarded completely vice versa as Calix giving easy reads cuz he's wifoming scum but I think Calix has been towny so far even after doing some bad stuff early on. I think re-read on his reasonings for townreads will tell a lot about both Rels and Calix' alignments but this stuff above will suggest they are either town together or scum together.

On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.

Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.

I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.

I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.

I like this, TT's post was shit and he recognised it.

On November 04 2016 07:32 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:
for rels

Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.

On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.

I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.

Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?

Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.

However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.

On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth


I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy

On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.

Mind meld.

Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama


Foreman did not write off Calix ._.

He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz

Obviously no post will scream scum.

Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?

I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away

I can see why you hated it.

Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times:
"I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that)
"I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama"
"I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."

On November 04 2016 06:15 Rels wrote:
LOL rereading the last two sentences it doesnt have match up
DF WHY THE FUCK would you go from "YEAH SKYNX IS RIGHT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS USELESS" to "SKYNX POSTS WERE USELESS" ? You apparently agreed with Skynx that there was not much to talk about ? Why did you consider Skynx posts useless when you agreed with them ?

On November 04 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:
for rels

Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.

On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.

I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.

Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?

Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.

However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.

On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth


I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy

On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.

Mind meld.

Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama


Foreman did not write off Calix ._.

He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz

Obviously no post will scream scum.

Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?

I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away

I can see why you hated it.

Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times:
"I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that)
"I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama"
"I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."


This is more directed at your next post, but I don't understand your argument. I'm assuming that you're talking about this, right?

I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama

Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


I don't see the incongruency. Isn't he basically saying "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"?

Now that I've written it out like that, that's a pretty weird thing to say since it doesn't say much at all and the way it's worded makes it sound like he slight-town-read me because I agreed that Skynx was useless.

But I don't think it's inconsistent.

Nope. He didn't say "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"
He said "Skynx said everything was NAI and I agree with him", then "I agree Skynx' psots were useless until that very last one about the votes".
Basically he both agrees that these posts are useless but also agree with them:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read

On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...

On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?

On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages

On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.

On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.

Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies?

On November 03 2016 05:14 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 05:10 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.


Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.

"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.

With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.


[image loading]


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.


On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:
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On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.


Here is what happened:

Skynx entered thread
Skynx complained about unproductive content
Skynx provided unproductive content

What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.

Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.

I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches.


The posta bout the votes is:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 03 2016 05:18 Skynx wrote:
Bah fine;

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On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.


[image loading]


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.


Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should

##Vote Calix


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On November 03 2016 03:15 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:12 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.


[image loading]


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.


You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?

Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment


Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)

And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.


If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.

You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum

##vote Calix


These are absolutely terrible votes.



I dunno what to think about this whole mess. So he thinks darth has slipped? Imo its a very minor thing, even more when considered people said so so many bad stuff in first few hours of the game. Why there is so much emphasis on this one read and not others?

On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote:
Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks.
And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player.

These posts make me think that:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read

On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...

On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?

On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages

On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.

Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies?

On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please...


Then do something that will make AI posts happen.

What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?

What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?


To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.

What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?

Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages


Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour

Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.

Here is what happened;

Calix sr Exo (gif stuff)
Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push)
Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)

What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.


Here is what happened:

Skynx entered thread
Skynx complained about unproductive content
Skynx provided unproductive content

What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.

Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.

I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches.

On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.

I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.

Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.

Haven't read Rels yet.

Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.


Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells.

So this is like the most biased read ever. Suggesting me wifoming scum by raging is very biased as he knows I did it in my btdt game as doctor D1 which later on decided the game. He blatantly ignores that and uses my previous scum game to suggest meta.

Then there is the case on Exo, with only argument being Exo is overly defensive which has been used over and over and over again since the minute the game started.

All in all I'm not liking Rels but not sure what to do with him either. He is in no way town yet but none of above makes him objectively scummy compared to TT and NU.


I'm not saying you're raging, you're not raging, I'm saying your tone at the beginning of the game seems forced.

Weird that you liked so many posts but you ended up with a "not liking" read ?

Negatives takes out positives. You're quite null when all things are added up, I'm yet to make up my mind on you i think its yet early in the game so I'm gona need more material.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 16:53 GMT
#885
On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.

With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?

I don't relate to your DF read.

How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?

ok.

Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.

I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.



Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.

If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?

In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.

Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 16:53 GMT
#886
On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.

However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.

- has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push
- has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning
- has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum
- has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff
- martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!)
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 04 2016 16:56 GMT
#887
On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.

With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?

I don't relate to your DF read.

How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?

ok.

Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.

I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.



Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.

If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?

In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.

Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?

I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 16:58 GMT
#888
what the fuck
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 16:59 GMT
#889
On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.

With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?

I don't relate to your DF read.

How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?

ok.

Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.

I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.



Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.

If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?

In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.

Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?

I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.


I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit)

You just don't seem to care that much at all.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 16:59 GMT
#890
On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.

Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ?
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 17:02 GMT
#891
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 17:03 GMT
#892
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "


lmao

What is a 'wot'?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 17:03 GMT
#893
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "

That's also my feeling about him
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 17:03 GMT
#894
On November 05 2016 02:03 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "


lmao

What is a 'wot'?

Wall of text.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 04 2016 17:03 GMT
#895
On November 05 2016 01:59 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.

With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?

I don't relate to your DF read.

How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?

ok.

Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.

I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.



Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.

If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?

In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.

Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?

I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.


I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit)

You just don't seem to care that much at all.


ExO flips town, can say, told ya so! Even though he's not really doing much besides quibble. Don't see how this strategy makes sense if they're both scum though
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 04 2016 17:05 GMT
#896
On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:

I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.

I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.

The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:

Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.

Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.


Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window.

This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy.
In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS.

The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size.


Perhaps you should consider that it's very difficult to make accurate reads right now when everyone is scum reading me and on my wagon. It's hard for me to not be OMGUS when everyone is voting for me, is it not?

That said, I think both you and TT are pushing me here past what makes sense. Especially the way TT came back into the thread last night and ignored the progression of my posts to make a point. He strung a bunch of posts together that were very far apart to make me look horrible.

either way I think at least one of you two should know better. Which makes me think at least one of you is scum. This isn't OMGUS, this is my honest thoughts.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 04 2016 17:06 GMT
#897
All these people suddenly "town-leaning" me as the deadline approaches, yet nobody is attempting to move the wagon at all.

cmon, what does that look like. Do you really believe that this kind of thing happens if I'm scum?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
November 04 2016 17:08 GMT
#898
On November 05 2016 02:05 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:

I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.

I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.

The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:

Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.

Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.


Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window.

This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy.
In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS.

The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size.


Perhaps you should consider that it's very difficult to make accurate reads right now when everyone is scum reading me and on my wagon. It's hard for me to not be OMGUS when everyone is voting for me, is it not?

That said, I think both you and TT are pushing me here past what makes sense. Especially the way TT came back into the thread last night and ignored the progression of my posts to make a point. He strung a bunch of posts together that were very far apart to make me look horrible.

either way I think at least one of you two should know better. Which makes me think at least one of you is scum. This isn't OMGUS, this is my honest thoughts.


How other people scum-read/ vote you doesn't negatively impact your reads. In fact, it means you're in the unique position of not being distracted by how scummy you look.

I for one would like to hear more detail about your TT/ Rels theory or at least give some thoughts on darthfoley/ Foreman/ mahrgell. (you haven't talked much about them and if you're town then having that 'confirmed town' spec would be really helpful)
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 04 2016 17:09 GMT
#899
The temperature of my feet is close to 0°C.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2016 17:10 GMT
#900
On November 05 2016 02:05 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote:
On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:

I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.

I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.

The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:

Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.

Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.


Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window.

This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy.
In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS.

The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size.


Perhaps you should consider that it's very difficult to make accurate reads right now when everyone is scum reading me and on my wagon. It's hard for me to not be OMGUS when everyone is voting for me, is it not?

That said, I think both you and TT are pushing me here past what makes sense. Especially the way TT came back into the thread last night and ignored the progression of my posts to make a point. He strung a bunch of posts together that were very far apart to make me look horrible.

either way I think at least one of you two should know better. Which makes me think at least one of you is scum. This isn't OMGUS, this is my honest thoughts.

It's not OMGUS if you have reason other than just "they are voting for me they are scum".
But that is your reasonning.
On November 05 2016 02:06 ExO_ wrote:
All these people suddenly "town-leaning" me as the deadline approaches, yet nobody is attempting to move the wagon at all.

cmon, what does that look like. Do you really believe that this kind of thing happens if I'm scum?

Yep a wagon being unnilateral doesn't mean shit, especailly since in this game you have only 1 mate. In the last towngame I've played there was only 1 serios wagon during D1 and he flipped scum.
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