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Good morning.
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
About your concerns regarding me using the term antitown. I could again explain my general attitude regarding this game. I'm not fond of throwing SCUM! around day1. But when antitown behaviour piles up on certain players, at some point this turns into a scumlean. But again we are probably using different definitions in this game here.
If theres nothing more about me, I guess I will relook the Exo situation now.
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On November 03 2016 19:47 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning.
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
About your concerns regarding me using the term antitown. I could again explain my general attitude regarding this game. I'm not fond of throwing SCUM! around day1. But when antitown behaviour piles up on certain players, at some point this turns into a scumlean. But again we are probably using different definitions in this game here.
If theres nothing more about me, I guess I will relook the Exo situation now.
An answer to the parts which are the most pertinent to you would be lovely, yes, given that you are the subject of the posts.
However, if you are going to do something else then I would prefer to see that first. As long as you don't expect me to forget about my points on you then you should be fine.
Can you just expand on your second paragraph? How do you usually find scum in games? What is your MO?
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On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
This makes ExO very likely town
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On November 03 2016 18:23 Calix wrote:Here's what I read out of the few overnight posts. With regards to mahrgell, I'm starting to get a lean-town read on him. This is mainly because his responses have themes of "I'm approaching XYZ from both perspectives" and "I'm trying to encourage a positive town atmosphere". Is this something that scum can do? Sure. He could be thread-policing, but I don't see how this actually furthers a scum agenda in his case. Scum want chaos, not an orderly atmosphere. The only thing that he's done that can be read in that light is his cases (due to their quality) but if he's been making cases to sow doubt then he's been doing a piss-poor job of making that happen. Going back to the stances he has taken, I feel like he has been very persistent with this line of reasoning so far (even if his reasoning is strange/ unfocused) and even though I find him hard to understand at times, there's some consistency in the logic that he uses. All that said, I'll reread his filter with these points in mind to see if he contradicts my view of him anywhere/ check the intent behind his cases. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. If you must know, I am of the female persuasion but don't sweat it if you call me a 'he'. Question. When exactly did you 'stop thinking [I] was scum'? How were my responses townie? I'd like to know. Your lack of elaboration here + thread consensus that I am town = suspicions that you are following thread sentiment with your shift in how you read me. Your argument was full of holes which have already been pointed out, however. Few scum would hop onto my wagon using your reasoning. (As a matter of fact, nobody did. Foreman claimed that I was 'tryhard' while NU had that atrocious meta-vote)
My vote was many things, but not a meta vote.
I like how you're giving mahr a town-lean for "trying to encourage a positive atmosphere" but are not giving me any credit for it. Inconsistent.
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About Exo:
I can't really add on anything to what was said in the thread here about him. I agree that the general development looks fishy. Especially the jump from his second last post:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible.
to his last post:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
Also note that he claims to not have read the thread since his last post, but not only does he adust his opinion to the later formulated thread opinion on Calix, but also wants to investigate NU/foreman first. Most of the NU/foreman drama started way later and in the period where he just claimed to not have read.
But to judge further, I still believe that a look at his meta would help in this case.
I said it before, and I will say it again: If someone who has played with Exo before would chime in on his meta, I would greatly appreciate it. Sadly this has been refused by the veterans so far.
I have read his Dota2 game(scum) live as it happened, now decided to filter read his OutlawMM(townie) game.
Skynx was Mafia with Exo in Dota2, so he should actually be able to give us some insight here. TT was in both games and saw it happen live.
So could you two maybe share some opinion if Exos play reminds you of something?
When looking at those games I noticed 3 differences:
a) the dota2(scum) game consisted mainly out of "afk, playing civ" and "hey, can anyone post a summary, too lazy to read", in general his activity was luckluster, even though he chimed in whenever the need was there - his general activity in Outlaw was way higher. He bothered to read stuff himself, called out people for not reading the thread etc. - This game reminds more of the dota2 game, as others observed.
b) day1, dota2 consisted out of him hardtunneling WoS(unknown alignment, game not finished). He didn't even bother to comment on anything else. He went either afk or continued his anti-WoS rants, just to ask for a summary on the cases on those wagons near the end of the day and again not add anything to it... His day1 in Outlaw looked different. He also tunneled Damdred at first here, later let it go. But in general he was looking way broader. He was a townie looking around at everyone, searching everyone. He basically engaged Damdred, Coag, HF, BF, Ness and in the end went after TT. - Again, this game looks closer to Dota2
c) I also tried to look into what he makes his cases off:
Town-Exo examples:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2015 21:21 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 21:15 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 21:05 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:19 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:15 Palmar wrote:
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I'm going to guess he's talking about the post where I provided some solid thinking. We talking about the flying cows post? Or perhaps the one about the spiders dancing for the Queen of England, before eating her alive! Oh wait, just like the post with your solid thinking, none of those exist. Just because I'm a nice guy (really...) On December 28 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Exo is probably town. Also, I've read about 10 posts in the thread now and checked a few filter lengths. I'm glad rayn is playing and HF has a shorter than expected filter. But I haven't really read anything from either of them yet.
The reason I'm giving exo a maybe townread is his tinfoil hat theory regarding the mason claims. Most players who construct convoluted conspiracy theories, end up being townies. (If Exo is mafia, he would already know whether or not one or more of the mason claimers are mafia, so creating a theory becomes both more difficult, and it would make him worry about appearing to have extra information). The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it. For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort. So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out: a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere. Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway. I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do. Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game. I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages. To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone. That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true. I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). You'll get no town cred from me, scum Why scum rather than null? The progression of our conversation just now: Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum. On December 28 2015 21:25 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 21:24 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 21:21 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:15 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 21:05 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote:
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Just because I'm a nice guy (really...)
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The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it.
For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort.
So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out:
a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it
b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence
These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere.
Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway.
I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do. Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game. I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages. To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone. That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true. I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). You'll get no town cred from me, scum Why scum rather than null? The progression of our conversation just now: Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum. So you think he read a lot and is saying he didn't read anything because it makes him look townier? Really? Not reading the thread is very believable to me. Not reading the thread, yet town reading me for the exchange between myself/rsoultin/coag isn't believable to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 03:48 ExO_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 28 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 00:12 sicklucker wrote:
can we not lynch him off the fact that last game we lynched him and were wrong?
You know we should learn from history and such. He could be mafia or town but I would like to have some general idea what that is before we put one of are valuable lynches on the line
If you guys want a "real" reason why I dont want vivax lynch its because it was fucking hf's idea who I think is very likely scum I'm sure this got brought up, but SL you missed Vivax last game as barely present mafia. He's also not as enthusiastic as he was in the town game you are referencing here. Somewhere in-between I'd say. On December 28 2015 16:05 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 00:17 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 28 2015 00:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 sicklucker wrote:On December 28 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker do you have any real reason to not lynch Vivax? Ill know his alignment 99% of the time by day 3. Here if we lynch him its a stupid gamble. Like hes just such a godamn easy read and people keep lynching him and its pissing me off. Literraly my last game I said lets not lynch fucking vivax day one and then town went and did it. DONT FUCKING DO IT AGAIN ITS VERY BAD SOOOO BAD I think i can read Vivax aswell. Why is he town then? you really think Vivax is a better lynch candidate than somebody like BF at this point? From the people who have posted, yes. I have to disagree. I get that I might not be able to make the same metareads as others here, but is Vivax really THAT scummy to this point? Everything that makes Vivax scummy (low post count, not contributing a lot) BF is worse at. At least Vivax is somewhat active in the thread. People posting = more information. People like BF not posting do not add any information at all. Exo's a cool dude. Def keep him alive. Re-looking at TT's filter, these posts were back-back. He tells SL that he missed Vivax as mafia in the previous game, implying that Vivax could be a mafia sliding by this game, but then says to keep me around for not wanting to get rid of Vivax? It doesn't make sense. Am I misreading it or? Either way I think I might be more inclined to go back to TT
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote:Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is: Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor. I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 26 2016 20:34 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:27 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way. can you elaborate on your "help"? Removing would be an apt way of putting it. So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die' I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch? That you save a lynch on them? On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote:
That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total. You went from 5 to 15. Alright idk what your objective is but I'm fairly certain you are lying. If it looks like scum, and walks like scum.... I never mentioned having '5'. You asked me to name some and I named some. Naming them all would be very silly. You can argue semantics all you want, but to list 4, then specifically mention 1 other implies 5 pretty heavily. Otherwise why add legion commander to the list you mentioned? Especially as viper. Viper is the most boring ass hero in dota and for him to have a complicated role like this makes no sense. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use this argument, but I cannot see a world in which the game designers used Viper (one of the heroes with the smallest amount of lore and fewest "rivals") to be this super complicated role with interactions to all of these different heroes. You are lying.
What is different? To my reading, and from reading his overall filter, TownExo questions peoples motivation for what they do. ScumExo instead goes after semantics, fishing for "hey, you clearly scumslipped here with that line"
What did we have in this game? When he started firing back at Calix, this actually was more fitting to what I described as his town meta. But what I missed later was a continuation on this theme. But nothing came. So in this regard his play here seems somewhere between the two games I skimmed over.
At this point I'm inclined to scumlean Exo. This leaves me with the "problem" that I now have 3 scumleans, which is one too many. And neither Foreman nor NU really convinced me to change my opinion on them. I guess I will have to take a step back and read again, as one must be obviously wrong.
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On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote:
Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO.
TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong.
Anyway, this:
##vote mahrgell
Foreman's a null-read for me.
Here's what I send cakepie last night for MafiaMetric:
ExO
mahrgell
Foreman
Rels ? / Skynx
Calix
Tictock
darthfoley
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On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This makes ExO very likely town
Explain.
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#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.
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I very much dislike mahr's last post. Too many words to state "Meta-wise, I think he's a scum-lean". And it's a meta-read.
But he gets some tryhard points for reading Outlaw just to get that one meta read.
mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum.
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On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.
To expand on this, he points out a potential inconsistency with ExO's posting and he took the time to review ExO's meta with some nuanced points made. (this is townie because it shows critical thinking)
He then shows a willingness to reconsider his other scum-reads after he realises that he has one too many.
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On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.
lmao
You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post.
Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again.
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On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This makes ExO very likely town Explain.
1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one.
2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.
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On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This makes ExO very likely town Explain. 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.
I buy this explanation.
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On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again.
Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads.
What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly?
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On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again. Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads. What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly?
Point out the inconsistency in your narrative.
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On November 03 2016 21:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again. Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads. What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly? Point out the inconsistency in your narrative.
There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so.
I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being.
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On November 03 2016 19:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:47 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning.
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
About your concerns regarding me using the term antitown. I could again explain my general attitude regarding this game. I'm not fond of throwing SCUM! around day1. But when antitown behaviour piles up on certain players, at some point this turns into a scumlean. But again we are probably using different definitions in this game here.
If theres nothing more about me, I guess I will relook the Exo situation now. An answer to the parts which are the most pertinent to you would be lovely, yes, given that you are the subject of the posts. However, if you are going to do something else then I would prefer to see that first. As long as you don't expect me to forget about my points on you then you should be fine. Can you just expand on your second paragraph? How do you usually find scum in games? What is your MO?
MO? Sorry, I only know abbreviations I picked up during the 2 games I read.
But regarding on how I scan for scum IRL, I think I pointed it out enough. I try to interpret everyones actions from a townie POV and from a scum POV. At some point I will fail to create those interpretations and this is where I dig deeper. Scum has usually 2 options:
a) make up stuff
b) reinforce shitty assumptions by townies
Meanwhile a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me. In the end, I have to judge if the different judgements made by other players are due to different character or due to hidden agenda.
And well... I prefer to play a rather high volume game, just to leave less gaps and more easily track the thought process of people. Sadly this is much harder online than IRL, as players can just go afk here..
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Town doesn't ignore other members of the town.
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On November 03 2016 21:42 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:58 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 19:47 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning.
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
About your concerns regarding me using the term antitown. I could again explain my general attitude regarding this game. I'm not fond of throwing SCUM! around day1. But when antitown behaviour piles up on certain players, at some point this turns into a scumlean. But again we are probably using different definitions in this game here.
If theres nothing more about me, I guess I will relook the Exo situation now. An answer to the parts which are the most pertinent to you would be lovely, yes, given that you are the subject of the posts. However, if you are going to do something else then I would prefer to see that first. As long as you don't expect me to forget about my points on you then you should be fine. Can you just expand on your second paragraph? How do you usually find scum in games? What is your MO? MO? Sorry, I only know abbreviations I picked up during the 2 games I read. But regarding on how I scan for scum IRL, I think I pointed it out enough. I try to interpret everyones actions from a townie POV and from a scum POV. At some point I will fail to create those interpretations and this is where I dig deeper. Scum has usually 2 options: a) make up stuff b) reinforce shitty assumptions by townies Meanwhile a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me. In the end, I have to judge if the different judgements made by other players are due to different character or due to hidden agenda. And well... I prefer to play a rather high volume game, just to leave less gaps and more easily track the thought process of people. Sadly this is much harder online than IRL, as players can just go afk here..
Modus operandi.
I shall keep this in mind. Going back to my case earlier, I noted that you generally worded your scum-reads along the lines of "this doesn't make sense for town to do/ this is unproductive" so I wanted to see if you would say something along those lines in your response. Given that you have, that part of my case against you becomes a null tell.
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