EPT1. ExO came in
2. Got scum read and pressured
3. Weak case on Calix
4. Other people came in, namely NU, and changed the conversation
5. ExO peaced out and the current 1v1s are NU vs. Calix, Foreman vs. mahrgell
6. People seemingly forget about ExO
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
1. ExO came in 2. Got scum read and pressured 3. Weak case on Calix 4. Other people came in, namely NU, and changed the conversation 5. ExO peaced out and the current 1v1s are NU vs. Calix, Foreman vs. mahrgell 6. People seemingly forget about ExO | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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darthfoley
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Calix
3379 Posts
I think you make some valid points with mahrgell. I can agree that he is taking the role of Thread Police with regards to the arguments taking place in the thread and that he has been somewhat lacking in initiative when it comes to giving reads. (I believe his Foreman argument is his most substantial original contribution to date) I third the stance that I am more townie than mahrgell is although I am inherently biased there  Jokes aside, I'm finding it hard to see anything incriminating in your posts as it stands so you might be town as well. I'll see how you take to the rest of the thread but I hope I'm right. Might be an easy game. On November 03 2016 09:02 darthfoley wrote: I've noticed that mahrgell is asking a lot of questions, especially of NU and Calix-- basically telling them to stop attacking each other and talk about other people. I also noticed that he hasn't done this at all himself, he's only talked about Foreman and NU; with the former, his case seemed pretty meh to me, except for #3. The only problem is that even this isn't an original point. I pointed it out, and a few others. He even admits that this point was taken from other people. Also don't like how mahrgell keeps giving himself outs. I understand it's D1, but his posts are littered with him. If he thinks it would be easier knowing some meta, I expect him to go snooping and answer his question. In terms of Foreman: I like this post. I was also puzzled with this progression from NU. For me, I believe that the wishy-washy half step in, half step out approach of mahrgell is more scum indicative than Calix's tunneling. As of now, I like Foreman better than I like mahrgell. The only thing I have taken issue with so far in Foreman's game is his early dismissal of Calix, and his open admission that he plays anti-town or something. Like ???? Also curious why Ticktock goes from this: To soft defending him from NU in this post: | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
I'm not sure wherever Skynx/ ExO/ NU are being shitters because they're bad or because they're mafia as it stands. As it stands, I'm probably going to end up voting within those three at the moment. I'm more inclined to hit a low-poster on D1 so I can be convinced to switch from NU for that reasoning alone. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:11 Calix wrote: (I believe his Foreman argument is his most substantial original contribution to date) I would like to mention that my final point on NU was very different from yours. 1) You went after him for his "buddying" - here I agreed 2) He gave an explanation - you refused it, I accepted it 3) You went into a mudfight with him, calling all his answers wrong - I took his answers for what he said, which made me rethink about my impression at 2) 4) he made this weird blue speculation - you ignored it entirely - I was tipped off by it and decided to make him my secondary scumread So yes, we went for the same player, but besides 1) for very different reasons. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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Calix
3379 Posts
What scum motivation do you two see behind it though? Is it odd? Sure, but I always figure that scum would just say "yo fam, ExO might be TPR" in their scum chat or something. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
I am mafia because: On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote: 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. ... I "buddied" Calix... That was not buddying at all. If anything, you're the one who's buddying both me and Calix. This whole argument also has been debunked. On November 03 2016 04:09 mahrgell wrote: Also he started voting Exo. Now of course he will most likely tell us, that he pregame announced he was PL'ing gifs. But that is just the same category as the usual "totally busy, won't post" pregame crap... Nice excuse if you roll mafia, and who cares if you don't do it and roll town. From a townie I would expect a calmer attitude instead of throwing votes on someone who posted one textpost and one gif. He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy.... Overall... Not liking it. But let's wait for NU to explain himself. ... I voted ExO... I am not really sure if you are using this as an argument to scum-read me as your post really lacks a conclusion. But I did as I said. If ExO posted gifs, I was going to PL him. He posted one gif, I voted him. Now he stopped, my vote's not on him anymore (though I have reasons to switch back to him). On November 03 2016 07:26 mahrgell wrote: I initially agreed with Calix that he implied an opinion on Calix she didn't post before. This has been discussed enough. Nontheless I accepted his explanation about it, keeping the minor point against him noted. Him trying to create a positive atmosphere is something I value highly. Now Calix seemed to go completely overboard in tunnel mode, and I honestly cried on the inside about her points. But it were NU's answers who were supposed to destroy Calix points, which brought me back onto him. First he mentioned how he loves to powerwolf, winning 1v7 etc... Well... So basically his explanation for his initial misstep was devalued by that. Assuming he tries to balance his towngame against his mafiagame, not yet conclusive. But the doubt was increasing. ... because [argument I don't understand]... I rekt that game. 1v7 clutch win. Next was his vote on Calix. Seriously, he had absolutely no case here. Now you may tell me again, NU loves frustration voting. Okay. But I consider it a bad trait. NU, stop it or you will probably never get towncred with me. This isn't really advancing the game. If you consider Calix to spout nonsense, either make a proper case or ignore her and talk about what you have noticed with others. ... because I voted Calix and he considers it a bad trait... Why would I want to have town-cred with him? Why would my actions be motivated by town-cred? I can't put my finger on why I find this to be super scummy, but, uh, I find it super scummy. Also, him considering a part of my play a bad trait is not an argument for me to be scum. Really? A townie speculating about another player being blue or red? I mean, is this EVER smart? Mafia knows what color the guy is, and if he isn't red, you probably helped them in case they didn't notice. ... and because I alluded to ExO possibly being blue. Notice how he says that I am a townie aka he knows I am town while scum-reading me? This is spewing. Also, he fails to explain how this makes me scum. He says that my post wasn't smart, which I agree with, but doesn't say that it makes me scum. Scum would have that blue talk in their respective QT, yes, I made a mistake by alluding to this possibility, but it really doesn't make me scum. All in all, I really don't like the reasons why mahr claims to scum-read me. None are valid scum-tells. He also calls me a townie while scum-reading me which suggests that he knows my alignment. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:24 Calix wrote: I'll confess to missing that TPR comment entirely. What scum motivation do you two see behind it though? Is it odd? Sure, but I always figure that scum would just say "yo fam, ExO might be TPR" in their scum chat or something. Yea I know, but it doesn't make sense from any alignment imo. The existence of the scum chat kinda nulls this point, but I thought it's at least worth pointing out. I remember in previous mafia games I've played on TL, people made a big deal out of "slips" like that | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:16 Calix wrote: I wish Rels would pop up soon. It'll be easier to figure out the bigger picture then. I'm not sure wherever Skynx/ ExO/ NU are being shitters because they're bad or because they're mafia as it stands. As it stands, I'm probably going to end up voting within those three at the moment. I'm more inclined to hit a low-poster on D1 so I can be convinced to switch from NU for that reasoning alone. I'm being a shitter because bad players are scum-reading me for bad reasons, and I am not having fun. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:28 darthfoley wrote: Yea I know, but it doesn't make sense from any alignment imo. The existence of the scum chat kinda nulls this point, but I thought it's at least worth pointing out. I remember in previous mafia games I've played on TL, people made a big deal out of "slips" like that I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this. It is a mistake, I admit, but if I took out the "or he is blue" part of my post, the post would have had the exact same meaning, and I wouldn't have got shit for it. Saying I don't believe his VT claim is essentially saying I think he's blue or mafia. I worded the assumptions lying behind that post, t's all. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm being a shitter because bad players are scum-reading me for bad reasons, and I am not having fun. Good. Moving onto relevant matters, I didn't completely hate the last half of your wall-post. Saying it's for town cred is indicative of a manipulative mindset where he can change his mind at any time. AKA it's insincere. That's how I interpreted that post. Last quote is also not terrible. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:31 NeverUnlucky wrote: I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this. It is a mistake, I admit, but if I took out the "or he is blue" part of my post, the post would have had the exact same meaning, and I wouldn't have got shit for it. Saying I don't believe his VT claim is essentially saying I think he's blue or mafia. I worded the assumptions lying behind that post, t's all. I'm not making a big deal out of it, I merely thought it was weird, regardless of your alignment. I don't think we need to discuss it further. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:02 darthfoley wrote: I've noticed that mahrgell is asking a lot of questions, especially of NU and Calix-- basically telling them to stop attacking each other and talk about other people. I also noticed that he hasn't done this at all himself, he's only talked about Foreman and NU; with the former, his case seemed pretty meh to me, except for #3. The only problem is that even this isn't an original point. I pointed it out, and a few others. He even admits that this point was taken from other people. What are you talking about? I asked him on #186, I asked again for clairification on his refusal to answer in #192, and then called this out as antitown behaviour in #195. Your first post was #229. Are you sure I copied this from you? Like seriously? And Calix was also only going at him for ignoring her questions. She didn't even mention him ignoring me. Also don't like how mahrgell keeps giving himself outs. I understand it's D1, but his posts are littered with him. I answered this to Calix in #330. Also currently I'm not giving myself outs on those two suspects I have. If you see me suddenly townreading them, or even just neuting them... Feel free to question me how I came to that conclusion. But I will probably tell you before as soon as I make that change of mind. And for the other players I will continue playing both scenarios in my mind: "How would I explain their behaviour if they were scum." vs. "How would I explain it if they were town." For my two suspects I currently lack a reasonable the second scenario -> scumread If he thinks it would be easier knowing some meta, I expect him to go snooping and answer his question. Feel free to fill me in about Exos meta. No, I won't read 2 billion pages from old games. I read Dota-Mafia live, I know something about Exos less than impressive scum-meta from there. But seriously don't expect me to postread all the other old games. Especially when I have hotter targets. If it comes down to an Exo vs X lynch... Maybe I will do some quick search. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:32 Calix wrote: Good. Moving onto relevant matters, I didn't completely hate the last half of your wall-post. Saying it's for town cred is indicative of a manipulative mindset where he can change his mind at any time. AKA it's insincere. That's how I interpreted that post. Last quote is also not terrible. Despite all that, I don't yet feel confident calling him scum. I feel confident calling him bad though. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:33 NeverUnlucky wrote: mahr, you watching the game? I am, but I'm a slow typer (you may have noticed by now) and was answering to Foley. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On November 03 2016 09:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: Can you not give the post numbers and instead quote said posts? Okay, next time, didn't want to blow up the post though. Advice for improving readability is always welcome. | ||
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