On November 03 2016 06:57 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Calix
She cannot believe this strongly that I am scum because of that one post, she who claims I am an easy read for her.
Are you really doing this, NU?
You have the entirety of CM where I tunneled you on multiple occasions (causing a TvT) and you're trying to use that argument again? I am not even tunneling you this round so you are being extremely inconsistent with your logic.
Your 'argument' can be so easily disproved that I'm concluding that you're full of shit.
I'm even more confident in my vote.
You're voting me based on 1 post for which I debunked everything.
Yes, in CM I KNEW you were town. You were obvious town.
You're suggesting that this is a TvT again or that I am town?? I don't understand that point.
Where am I being inconsistent?
I am actually so mad at you for this whole SHITTY push. You're preventing me from playing my game by digging me a hole and making me mad.
You fail to EVEN explain how this ONE post makes me scum. Can you not see that your 'case' is shit? You've spent 2 pages shitting up the thread by asking other to look at it and nobody but mahr agreed with it (And mahr isn't even voting me). Isn't that a giant "I AM TUNNELING YET AGAIN" flag? You have a coach, Jesus, use him.
ATE.
0 response to a wall post. Nice, nice.
What's ATE?
Appeal to Emotion.
Your push is contradicting your play and reasoning last game. End of discussion.
Continue shitting up the thread with your temper tantrums instead of doing anything productive like I told you to do. I'm sure that'll help your case.
Instead of whining, do anything else. Leave the thread if you're that much of a cry-baby.
So you're meta-reading me for not playing like last game. HIPOCRISY MUCH?
I have 0 intent on contributing anything right now, and I don't think that'll change in the following days.
On November 03 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: If I'm being completely honest I think that Calix is town.
But then I would have to explain myself, so I'll just keep pretending I scum-read her.
Then ignore her for the moment and talk about the rest of the game. Foreman is accusing me, I'm accusing Foreman. Others have chimed in. Maybe they have said suspicious things too? Does anyone look like hes sheeping? Let's not pretend there is nothing to talk about outside of Calix vs NU.
On November 03 2016 07:04 NeverUnlucky wrote: I agree with TT on all points. Especially line 3.
His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT.
Lol are you making it a point to put words in people's mouth or did you mix me up with someone?
I don't think I said anything about Exo's shitty VT claim.
Also VT's claim VT all the time.
I said I agreed with the points you made PLUS I don't buy his VT claim.
Ah my bad I did misread that.
Thought I didn't miss you stealing that "explaining it in 4 lines" thing from Dark.
I've found the problem with mahrgell's 'cases' (for lack of a better term)
He's extremely unfocused when he's making his points. It's hard to infer what his actual case is. He narrates their filters instead of making targeted points about why his target is scummy.
In fact, looking at mahrgells' case again, I'm having a hard time thinking that he actually scum-reads NU. Nothing he says is actually that scummy when casing him. He just sounds so unsure of himself that it demotivates me just to look at it.
On November 03 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: If I'm being completely honest I think that Calix is town.
But then I would have to explain myself, so I'll just keep pretending I scum-read her.
Then ignore her for the moment and talk about the rest of the game. Foreman is accusing me, I'm accusing Foreman. Others have chimed in. Maybe they have said suspicious things too? Does anyone look like hes sheeping? Let's not pretend there is nothing to talk about outside of Calix vs NU.
On November 03 2016 07:33 Calix wrote: In fact, looking at mahrgells' case again, I'm having a hard time thinking that he actually scum-reads NU. Nothing he says is actually that scummy when casing him. He just sounds so unsure of himself that it demotivates me just to look at it.
The TLDR is that he scum-reads me because he doesn't like my responses (Of course responses to a shitty case won't be great) and because I voted you.
On November 03 2016 07:31 Calix wrote: I've found the problem with mahrgell's 'cases' (for lack of a better term)
He's extremely unfocused when he's making his points. It's hard to infer what his actual case is. He narrates their filters instead of making targeted points about why his target is scummy.
He also likes to waffle on and doubt himself.
I told you earlier, that I prefer to play a more distanced style. Yes, I will usually explain possible outs too. From what I read in Cruise and Dota this seems to be unusual here, as everyone loves tunneling down and ignore everything that goes against their current opinion. No, I don't know the scumteam day 1. But I think I also made sufficiently clear that at this point, I have 2 clear wagons I would like to push, and in which priority. And if you see me changing my opinion, just ask me for my reasoning. Right now nothing Foreman has posted since I posted my case against him has swayed me the slightest. NU hasn't answered me yet and is only my secondary choice right now anyway. So if I change vote, one of 3 things must happen: a) they make a very convincing argument, but not seeing that now b) someone makes himself even more scummy, but this won't remove my doubts about them c) we are close to deadline and my priority choices are not happening and I have a preference in a wagon race.
About making more targeted points/narrated filters: What you wish here? More quotes? If this helps you, I can do that. If you have any advice on improving my readability, I'm all ear and will try to implement it. I can't claim years of forum Mafia. IRL things are different. :D
On November 03 2016 07:33 Calix wrote: In fact, looking at mahrgells' case again, I'm having a hard time thinking that he actually scum-reads NU. Nothing he says is actually that scummy when casing him. He just sounds so unsure of himself that it demotivates me just to look at it.
How about the last point, the quote about Exo? Yes, everything before were just small notes in my head, adding up. But this post (and repeating it again on the next page, is he trying to force a blueclaim?) is just really disturbing me. The fact that his tldr of my post also ignored that point doesn't help him.
On November 03 2016 07:33 Calix wrote: In fact, looking at mahrgells' case again, I'm having a hard time thinking that he actually scum-reads NU. Nothing he says is actually that scummy when casing him. He just sounds so unsure of himself that it demotivates me just to look at it.
How about the last point, the quote about Exo? Yes, everything before were just small notes in my head, adding up. But this post (and repeating it again on the next page, is he trying to force a blueclaim?) is just really disturbing me. The fact that his tldr of my post also ignored that point doesn't help him.
On November 03 2016 07:31 Calix wrote: I've found the problem with mahrgell's 'cases' (for lack of a better term)
He's extremely unfocused when he's making his points. It's hard to infer what his actual case is. He narrates their filters instead of making targeted points about why his target is scummy.
He also likes to waffle on and doubt himself.
I told you earlier, that I prefer to play a more distanced style. Yes, I will usually explain possible outs too. From what I read in Cruise and Dota this seems to be unusual here, as everyone loves tunneling down and ignore everything that goes against their current opinion. No, I don't know the scumteam day 1. But I think I also made sufficiently clear that at this point, I have 2 clear wagons I would like to push, and in which priority. And if you see me changing my opinion, just ask me for my reasoning. Right now nothing Foreman has posted since I posted my case against him has swayed me the slightest. NU hasn't answered me yet and is only my secondary choice right now anyway. So if I change vote, one of 3 things must happen: a) they make a very convincing argument, but not seeing that now b) someone makes himself even more scummy, but this won't remove my doubts about them c) we are close to deadline and my priority choices are not happening and I have a preference in a wagon race.
About making more targeted points/narrated filters: What you wish here? More quotes? If this helps you, I can do that. If you have any advice on improving my readability, I'm all ear and will try to implement it. I can't claim years of forum Mafia. IRL things are different. :D
I don't want more quotes. I think that you lack focus when casing your scum-reads so you should focus more on the quality of the few points you make > quantity, if that makes sense.
It's like the difference between making an analytical argument about one post over posting one-liners in response to every single post in someone's filter. You lean towards the latter in my opinion which makes it hard to relate to your thought process; it's easy to get lost.
Valid first paragraph. It's a viable strategy to consider multiple wagons.
On November 03 2016 07:34 Tictock wrote: Oh my bad mahrgell, I've been totally misspelling your name. I shall henceforth be reffering to you as gell to fix that.
What are your thoughts on Exo?
- overdefended against air from Calix - retaliation vote, I mentioned I dislike those - kinda stubbornly tunneled Calix - neither of those are good things, but can also be very emotional TvT. Judging this would be easier if I knew some meta. So postponing this read for now, especially as I have higher priority lynch targets.
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with.
That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up.
Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not.
You cannot claim I'm being anti-town and then back away from it saying I'm not being pro scum
anti-town=pro scum
And how is this anti-town behavior anyway?
You're 100% scum and you messed up already. ez game
I don't want more quotes. I think that you lack focus when casing your scum-reads so you should focus more on the quality of the few points you make > quantity, if that makes sense.
Thanks, noted. I will try to make it shorter. Remind me if I do it again, I won't be mad at you for it.^^
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