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On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote:
I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
Even if you had an amazing reason to push Calix I'm not sure she ever qualifies as "low hanging fruit"
I think Skynx is currently holding the low hanging fruit award.
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Anyway I'll settle down and try to make sense of this now.
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On November 03 2016 22:25 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote:
No voting thread?
##Vote: NeverUnlucky "Vote for the longest filter" A) Wrong vote. B) There is 0 argument for me to be mafia. A) You did not read apparently, no one said you were mafia. My vote is to help you stfu. B) Please go ahead and find me one post with solid arguments about anyone being mafia.
Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia.
I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.
I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.
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To be perfectly honest though, I don't really want to make another giant wall-post on NU so I'll just leave #443 as it is, invite people to read NU's filter and provide quotes if requested by anyone who isn't NU.
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On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.
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On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote:
Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO.
TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong.
Anyway, this:
##vote mahrgell
I've actually been rethinking that townread on gell ever since I asked him about his Exo read. I glanced through his filter and noted he kinda avoided discussing Exo despite generally giving what look to me like reasons to scum read Exo. Like here:
On November 03 2016 07:49 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:34 Tictock wrote:
Oh my bad mahrgell, I've been totally misspelling your name. I shall henceforth be reffering to you as gell to fix that.
What are your thoughts on Exo? - overdefended against air from Calix - retaliation vote, I mentioned I dislike those - kinda stubbornly tunneled Calix - neither of those are good things, but can also be very emotional TvT. Judging this would be easier if I knew some meta. So postponing this read for now, especially as I have higher priority lynch targets.
He lists 3 scummy things, but then suggests he thinks Exo is town?
Also worth noting that he's had no issues scum reading Foreman despite not knowing any meta, so that line feels more like an excuse to not read Exo.
I think Darth also pointed out this response and how gell just left the meta thing as an excuse without bothering to try and get a meta read if that's what he feels is valuable.
This was all associative though so I was kinda setting it aside unless we got a red flip from Exo. Who I still think is the better lynch atm.
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On November 03 2016 22:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote:
Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO.
TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong.
Anyway, this:
##vote mahrgell I've actually been rethinking that townread on gell ever since I asked him about his Exo read. I glanced through his filter and noted he kinda avoided discussing Exo despite generally giving what look to me like reasons to scum read Exo. Like here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:49 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 07:34 Tictock wrote:
Oh my bad mahrgell, I've been totally misspelling your name. I shall henceforth be reffering to you as gell to fix that.
What are your thoughts on Exo? - overdefended against air from Calix - retaliation vote, I mentioned I dislike those - kinda stubbornly tunneled Calix - neither of those are good things, but can also be very emotional TvT. Judging this would be easier if I knew some meta. So postponing this read for now, especially as I have higher priority lynch targets. He lists 3 scummy things, but then suggests he thinks Exo is town? Also worth noting that he's had no issues scum reading Foreman despite not knowing any meta, so that line feels more like an excuse to not read Exo. I think Darth also pointed out this response and how gell just left the meta thing as an excuse without bothering to try and get a meta read if that's what he feels is valuable. This was all associative though so I was kinda setting it aside unless we got a red flip from Exo. Who I still think is the better lynch atm.
I don't think that your point is strong. That "very emotional TvT" comment looks like his attempt at ascribing town motivation to the ExO/ Calix debacle. (something he's been doing a lot)
He also made a meta read/ analysis on ExO later on, concluding scum-lean. I'm assuming you haven't caught up yet though.
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On November 03 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I very much dislike mahr's last post. Too many words to state "Meta-wise, I think he's a scum-lean". And it's a meta-read.
But he gets some tryhard points for reading Outlaw just to get that one meta read.
mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum.
Actually what he did is the proper way to make a meta read imo. It's meaningless to say "I think player X is scum kus meta" but if you backup that meta-read with examples and reasons it becomes more valid imo.
@gell I don't believe in meta myself so I have nothing to add really. I'd say that since he just rolled scum it makes the whole "not wanting to post gifs to not draw attn to himself" thing I mentioned before stronger, but that's about it.
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K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm:
TOWN
Foreman NU ExO
Calix TT
Skynx mahrgell DF
SCUM
See you soon!
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TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game
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On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This makes ExO very likely town Explain. 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.
Eh, I like this thinking but I think your first point is moot since Exo stated several times that he doesn't think his claim is bad for town. I'm actually seeing more of a disconnect between how much he talked about why he claimed and yet never realized why that claim might be bad.
I suppose since this is a newbie game I should elaborate on why a VT claim is bad for town. Basically it makes mafia's side goal of killing off blue roles that much easier. If you are VT and claim it is essentially helping mafia blue hunt by narrowing the pool of people they want to look into.
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On November 03 2016 21:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix
Town doesn't ignore other members of the town.
I'm ignoring exactly 100% of these pushes between you and Calix.
Honestly you two seem to get so emotionally worked up over how you read each other I have a hard time taking any of it seriously.
... You guys might actually make an amazing scum team.
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Vote Count
mahrgell (2) : Foreman, Calix
Calix (2) : ExO_, Foreman (X), NeverUnlucky (X), NeverUnlucky
ExO_ (1) : NeverUnlucky (X), Tictock, NeverUnlucky (X)
Foreman (1) : mahrgell
NeverUnlucky (1) : Calix (X), Skynx
Not voting (2) : darthfoley, Rels
Currently, mahrgell is set to be lynched!
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On November 03 2016 22:57 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix
Town doesn't ignore other members of the town. I'm ignoring exactly 100% of these pushes between you and Calix. Honestly you two seem to get so emotionally worked up over how you read each other I have a hard time taking any of it seriously. ... You guys might actually make an amazing scum team.
Jesus Christ, no. I would kill myself if that happened.
That aside, I still think you should read his filter and let us know what you think. I think he's mafia but I'm not intending to spam the thread with "LYNCH NU"
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On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
Please, touch on them all you want.
Stop complaining that you have to read a forum based game, it just makes you look like a child.
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On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote:
Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
Yea I could see this.
I'm not opposed to a Whiny Bitch lynch on Skynx atm.
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On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.
Eh, those where my off the cuff reads after reading the game for the first time.
I'm fairly confident in Calix being town though. It's mostly feels based though. I saw her scum game as being fairly careful and calculated, here I'm getting a much more natural and organic vibe from all her posts and read switches.
Gell... idk will have to reread him later, but still a townlean in my gut reads.
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On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:
K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm:
TOWN
Foreman NU ExO
Calix TT
Skynx mahrgell DF
SCUM
See you soon!
Uhhh...
Wut?
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On November 03 2016 23:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:
K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm:
TOWN
Foreman NU ExO
Calix TT
Skynx mahrgell DF
SCUM
See you soon! Uhhh... Wut?
Problem? 
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So... Kinda meh about Rels so far.
About the only thing I actually liked from him was the post about the VT claim.
Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore.
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