We don't really want to both play in the same game cause we suck at keeping secrets if you guys are ok with me playing and occasionally talking to Tina about stuff (and using that like a boss to solve the game ez) I'll /replace.
On October 22 2016 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Artanis where u at bby
Hi! Catching up from N1. Probably too lazy to read all of D1. I did check a couple'a filters though. Having Dandel and Hopeless as top town reads feels very odd but I'm rolling with it.
Koshi having 4 pages of filter despite being a wagon heavily points to him being mafia. Prob would lynch. Reading more.
On October 22 2016 11:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Acro: Reasonable account of me vs Exo early on.
An early waffle post about Koshi, seems to think he's town but then likes him less as the day goes on apparently? I dunno, doesn't do a whole lot here but Koshi always seems to be on his mind to no real effect.
Makes a decent post on Hopeless and follows through for a while. Still not trusting iamp a lot
On October 22 2016 01:27 Acrofales wrote: Let me put it this way: Vivax is a policy lynch because he's Vivax. I hate the way he plays and will happily see him dead. Chance of him flipping scum = (number of scum in game)/24, so slightly over 1/4?
H1der is a mafia read. I think my mafia reads are pretty good, so > 50/50 chance he's scum. Clearly the better lynch.
Shoots down the idea of a Vivax lynch real early but for good reason and consistent to his goal.
Points out the modconfirm on ptmc (not particularly useful for scum to have that in the open, though I suppose other people could ahve and did figure it out on their own)
On October 22 2016 03:11 Vivax wrote: Lul this game. My first post was just a giant idiot magnet, I just wanted to put something out there that had to sound super scummy, somewhat for fun, somewhat to see how people react. Can't believe anyone even takes the vote seriously (looking at TT).
##unvote ##vote Vivax
Because I just really want you ded.
I think Acro is most likely to be town here. Seems like a solid (and likely the correct) reaction to this. Are there people who find him scummy this game? If so I'd like to see what I'm missing here becuase I'm not finding anything worth calling him scum over.
I struggle to understand why this string of posts makes you think Acro is town. Particularly the vivax shooting down lynch thing. I mean, what you're saying is "he considered Vivax policy and had a stronger scumread and by articulating this he's more likely to be town". Feels bleh.
Torn on HF. Think he might be town maybe but I'm hedging as fuck on it. The way he pushed through TT without really engaging him is scummy but he left the court wide open on switching out and kind of abdicated control in a way that I find hard to ascribe to scum HF unless his options were all town since it doesn't seem like he's playing a carry game.
On October 22 2016 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Artanis where u at bby
Hi! Catching up from N1. Probably too lazy to read all of D1. I did check a couple'a filters though. Having Dandel and Hopeless as top town reads feels very odd but I'm rolling with it.
Koshi having 4 pages of filter despite being a wagon heavily points to him being mafia. Prob would lynch. Reading more.
Can you explain how on earth hopeless was your top town before n1 when everyone else wanted him dead?
I already got into a few pages of N1. I have not read anything from D1 bar some filters, just replaced in hombre.
On October 22 2016 18:02 Holyflare wrote: And you thought hopeless was top town because he made an hp list at that point?
Mainly, he was doing stuff. The hopeless I remember doesn't do stuff. His Koshi progression made sense to me and he's throwing reads out there. The hopeless I remember playing mafia is utterly useless. Same for Dandel, which makes them easy townreads when they're actually doing stuff.
On October 22 2016 17:57 Holyflare wrote: I'm also going to call btdt mafia just for the wtf stance at deadline.
Calls my case good but summarises it wrong, has called koshi mafia ALLLLLLL game and koshi is alternative wagon, joins tt wagon but then makes a case on a guy that isn't particularly scummy and didn't want to kill koshi.
I'm very surprised infact hopeless is calling me out but not btdt for this.
I coached btdt in his first scumgame. He tried to be active and got 3 pages out by D3. Here he's got 9 pages by EoD1. activity > logic anyday, he's town.
I think your page argument is trash since that entire game had less pages than this in day 1 but his style is kinda different so I'll allow it for now.
Even so, his # of posts relative to the thread is still monstrously different.
Good morning, I slept through the night and forgot to do anything >>
Koshi seems pretty town to me. I think at this point he'd be a bit more of a lemming if he were mafia after rolling scum for the last 3 games. Agree with Hopeless though that failed promise should result in gallows.
Can anyone break down exactly why everyone really wants to lynch Vivax today?
On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else?
I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.
So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really?
Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.
I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please.
On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else?
I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.
So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really?
Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.
I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please.
Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead.
Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps.
Reading Skynx now.
On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote: I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray:
On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote: I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts.
I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere.
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.
I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints.
Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere.
He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds.
He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote: [quote] I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
[quote]
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
[quote]
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
[quote]
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
[quote]
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure.
One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward.
With Lunatic's last mafia game being this, I feel somewhat confident calling him town this game. Though I expect him to be able to play a better mafia game than that, he's going after Koshi and HF pretty early on which doesn't match with the complete lack of confidence and defensiveness of the last game.
I just opened ExO_'s filter and I want to lynch him already. Not sure if because of ExO or because he's scummy. This entry looks awful to me though:
On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote: Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is:
On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.
Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?
For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor.
I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me.
Dunno if anyone pressured him on it, but they should've. Massive discrediting before posting something that's obvious.
Keeps going on about it and tunnels Wave for a bit, attacks Hopeless for defending Wave then goes off on Dandel about trolling and oh god it's town ExO being distracted by biggest shiny thing in the thread.
To my knowledge he hasn't played any scum games yet but his filter feels, funnily enough, free due to the civ references in between and his 6-minute response to Ritoky here suggests to me that he's thinking about other people even when he's tunneled:
On October 21 2016 13:03 ritoky wrote: give a read on me
Lean Town, but slightly. You've made some very level-headed points that I largely agree with. Particularly in regards to trying to think the way other players would about the game. But I think you could just as easily do the same thing as scum. So far you don't sound scum-motivated to me though.
He also seems to have gotten off his tunnel, which funnily enough makes me slightly more uneasy about him, but throwing him in the townpile for now.
On October 23 2016 17:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just opened ExO_'s filter and I want to lynch him already. Not sure if because of ExO or because he's scummy.
...
He also seems to have gotten off his tunnel, which funnily enough makes me slightly more uneasy about him, but throwing him in the townpile for now.
Make up your mind. This is so wishy washy!
Not sure what's wishy washy about that. I'm just writing as I'm reading the filter and the conclusion at the end's the one that counts.
Like Ritoky. Scum Ritoky is a crowdpleaser and this one's more antagonistic.
On October 20 2016 14:17 ritoky wrote: i don't really know what to make of hama cuz idk wtf he is, but he loves acronyms. i agree with his first sentence but his explanation for how he got there is dumb. plus his hopeless read doesn't make much sense without any explanation, do you think he is being opportunistic? why does someone with the same read as you = mafia?
i think exo is tentatively town because: hey this guy is crumbing -> hey it sounds like crumbing dazzle -> dazzle is probably a protective role -> only an idiot would blatantly claim protective d1 -> WoS isn't an idiot -> lying or mafia; is a very town progression of thought that i can understand. he tunneled a bit much and it was slightly low hanging so he doesnt as much cred
i think WoS is tentatively town cuz he gave me a boner. when people basically tell their accusers to go fuck themselves it gives me a town boner; rarely does it come from mafia. also his crumb seems too shitty to be mafia, but that's a bs metric only for my head.
i don't mind LT's policyland, but do more than just make a list. some of those ppl are posting.
i don't remember any of my other thoughts.
This reads fairly genuine to me.
On October 21 2016 03:57 ritoky wrote: should i actually read the pages i was gone for? i read 2 of them and it was just 2 people talking back and forth about irrelevant shit.
Antagonistic without reason. Also keeps pressing people for the questions he's asked. He pressed Hama for his reasons on ExO, pressed Skynx for his reasons on LT and didn't let it go after the first opportunity.
TR on Ritoky kinda fading later as he's taking more of a back seat but I'm willing to ascribe it to a busy weekend. Since he SR GB I'm gonna go and look into him now.
GB's filter is devoid of content. Says Ritoky should be able to read him but doesn't quantify how. Doesn't even try to go after his alltime-favourite lynch of HF. Leaning on scum mostly because he's not expanding on any of his thoughts, which suggests to me he doesn't really have any and he's too smart for that.
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else?
I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.
So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really?
Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.
I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please.
Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead.
Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps.
On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote: I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray:
On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote: I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts.
I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere.
On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.
I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints.
Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere.
He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds.
He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote: [quote]
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure.
One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward.
On October 23 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Whoops, had forgotten to vote for Skynx in the vote thread. Rectified!
On October 23 2016 18:19 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 22:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 19:08 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Yango quoted an older post by LT. Ignore the above.
Good ol yangers
Should try to drag him into a mafia game one of these days.
Artanis why you gotta be scum this game? I thought we were gonna have fun together.
Hi Wave! I'm not mafia though. Why do you believe I am?
Some activity, some feels mostly And I dunno your recent effort feels.... Disingenuous somehow?
Cant shake it.
Doesn't matter that much right now though cause you've probs got another day or two
Activity was gone yesterday since I was gone most of yesterday. Feel like I've been pretty active today though. Apparently, your feels be wrong. Can't do much with that but I understand the issue. Anyway, where's your head at other than that?
On October 23 2016 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Also for the record martyring (as ridiculous as this case is specifically) is overwhelmingly a town trait.
Disagree?
Nope, but it's been done so often and successfully by town that I'm presuming scum's picking up on it by now. I'd cry if I let go of a good scumcase on scum just cause they martyred for a little bit.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
Rather than sniping at my case without addressing it, how about addressing it?
On October 23 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Whoops, had forgotten to vote for Skynx in the vote thread. Rectified!
On October 23 2016 18:19 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 22:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 19:08 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Yango quoted an older post by LT. Ignore the above.
Good ol yangers
Should try to drag him into a mafia game one of these days.
Artanis why you gotta be scum this game? I thought we were gonna have fun together.
Hi Wave! I'm not mafia though. Why do you believe I am?
Some activity, some feels mostly And I dunno your recent effort feels.... Disingenuous somehow?
Cant shake it.
Doesn't matter that much right now though cause you've probs got another day or two
Activity was gone yesterday since I was gone most of yesterday. Feel like I've been pretty active today though. Apparently, your feels be wrong. Can't do much with that but I understand the issue. Anyway, where's your head at other than that?
My feels are the same. Your case on Skynx feels forced. Your confusion of iamp and h1 feels uncaring...
Hopeless asked me to look into him. I did, found him to be scummy with a sidenote. If I wanted to 'look good' I'd probably come up with reasons to townread him because having the same read as the person asking you to look into someone will rarely actually make you look good. As for not caring much on confusing them; they're not up for lynch anytime soon and they both look fairly townie, so I'm not sure why I should care that much?
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
Rather than sniping at my case without addressing it, how about addressing it?
It's a really feeble meta case based on (a) 1 game, and (b) someone else's meta.
I've seen more than one of Skynx' games, and his tone is completely different. I can't compare it to his mafia games because he has no mafia games to speak of. He's playing very differently to how he played before, and he was town before.
On October 23 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Whoops, had forgotten to vote for Skynx in the vote thread. Rectified!
On October 23 2016 18:19 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 22:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 19:08 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Yango quoted an older post by LT. Ignore the above.
Good ol yangers
Should try to drag him into a mafia game one of these days.
Artanis why you gotta be scum this game? I thought we were gonna have fun together.
Hi Wave! I'm not mafia though. Why do you believe I am?
Some activity, some feels mostly And I dunno your recent effort feels.... Disingenuous somehow?
Cant shake it.
Doesn't matter that much right now though cause you've probs got another day or two
Activity was gone yesterday since I was gone most of yesterday. Feel like I've been pretty active today though. Apparently, your feels be wrong. Can't do much with that but I understand the issue. Anyway, where's your head at other than that?
My feels are the same. Your case on Skynx feels forced. Your confusion of iamp and h1 feels uncaring...
Hopeless asked me to look into him. I did, found him to be scummy with a sidenote. If I wanted to 'look good' I'd probably come up with reasons to townread him because having the same read as the person asking you to look into someone will rarely actually make you look good. As for not caring much on confusing them; they're not up for lynch anytime soon and they both look fairly townie, so I'm not sure why I should care that much?
As a townie, I'm pretty clear on who my strong town reads are... Clearly you aren't. Mb because you know a priori they're both town and this read them differently...
For some reason I just always confuse Hopeless and Iamp because in my mind they're similar players and from a similar era. If you want to scumread me for mixing them up, well, I guess I can't stop you.
On October 23 2016 22:31 iamperfection wrote: Like you better be mafia man.......I just don't understand
Lemme give you a hint: Tictock.
Does anyone even know why they wanna vote Skynx?
*raises hand* me me me!
On October 23 2016 17:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 17:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2016 17:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 17:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else?
I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.
So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really?
Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.
I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please.
Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead.
Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps.
Reading Skynx now.
On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote: I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray:
On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote: I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts.
I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere.
On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.
I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints.
Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere.
He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds.
He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame:
On September 25 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: [quote] Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: [quote] This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters: [quote] My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote: [quote]
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
To this:
On October 23 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote:
On October 23 2016 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure.
One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward.
##Vote Skynx
So your case comes down to:
1) I went after tubesock for reasons i posted and you think thats not enough. Well thats a shame you hurt my feelings but I'll get over it dw.
2) I pick low hanging fruits that do nothing as a target. Well there is a difference. Rels/Evereince was total afk, those 3 you said were here but ignored the game while being here. That is mafia indicative.
3) You say i didn't protect TT. You clearly haven't read D1 at all apparently, HF first made plain his dislike of TT and i immediately questioned him, along with WoS (i think). He mocked our questions, ignored us and went ahead and lynched him when i wasn't here. Not much i can do, first i wasnt here, second HF is HF and will lynch town and ppl will follow him for whatever reason.
4) Ah what a lovely meta read. Did you also notice that i was a doctor in that game? And my antics led mafia to consider me to be the last person to be a doctor? Did you read any other games of me being town where im also aggressive and borderline scum? Apparently not.
So all of this is invalid and you just wanna scumread me cuz my filtet is bad but you want to look like you have some sort of reasoning behind so you dont look scummy and the town will most likely buy this cuz they are bad.
1) You didn't really post reasons for disliking Tubesock. You just said his reads came out of nowhere when they really didn't.
2) Going after complete afks will never get anyone to join you. You went after the low hanging fruit that people would actually lynch.
3) Other than this, where did you do anything to protect TT after HF's case?
On October 22 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I think Ticktock would be a great lynch.
I disagree, what are your reasons for thinking so?
I don't see anything.
4) I have played with you before in Presidential Election as well. In that game, you were also a lot more.. diplomatic in the way you treated your reads. For example:
On June 26 2016 01:36 Skynx wrote: Wow Art kinda fucked up hard imo:
20 posts of trolling and fluff followed by this all of a sudden:
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not?
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town
Makes me mayor
Do you want to bear that responsibility?
Awesome joke, 10/10
The puns are getting unbearable already.
5/7, keep growling
ftfy
This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it.
Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK.
So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why?
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out.
Who'd you lynch?
Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote]
Who'd you lynch?
Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee
What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all.
You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so.
I believe there's a good chance you're mafia.
So this is super weak, it actually reminds me of myself in newbie game going for an easy mislynch.
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not?
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Awesome joke, 10/10
The puns are getting unbearable already.
5/7, keep growling
ftfy
This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it.
Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK.
So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why?
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote: [quote]
Who'd you lynch?
Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote: [quote]
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee
What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all.
You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so.
I believe there's a good chance you're mafia.
idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced
It's a tone-based read.
On June 25 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well I just went through QT's filter on his previous game and apparently he's been lynched a lot. I didn't find anything like the tonally inconsistent thing that I pinged out though, and lynchbait rolls mafia too so eh.
Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops.
QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent.
This post is quite bait, he's trying to make up for parts i bolded because they are not one bit indicative of QT being scum. Looks like a panic move. Moosy and Tumble points this out and Art switches to this:
I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce
I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW.
On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there.
That's a lot of back and forth there. Your push was a quite serious one, you have to back it up with something or just admit you were trying to bait. Either way, the manner in which you abandon your scumread feels way to panicky to me.
On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment.
I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel
M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away.
This is also not ok, if you're gona attack someone please have some basis behind it. GB's posts were all good up to that point, why try to divide the town?
Looks a lot different than the post I quoted earlier. Yes, you can be aggressive in that you go after people, but the tone is completely different.
On October 23 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Whoops, had forgotten to vote for Skynx in the vote thread. Rectified!
On October 23 2016 18:19 Acrofales wrote:
On October 23 2016 18:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Aand I'm done reading filters for now. Mafia: Skynx, Vivax, GB Town: Dandel, Hopeless, Lunatic, ExO_, Ritoky, Koshi Rest TBD. Would like interactions.
Why is h1 town?
I think I confused h1 and Iamp somehow. Iamp has a massive filter so that's pretty much why. Iirc his mafia and town games are miles apart. Hopeless probably leaning town as well but not quite as much. Kinda leaning back a bit but still posts a lot and the last time I remember hopeless being mafia (storm I think?) he was absolutely useless so eh, mostly lazyreads.
On October 23 2016 22:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 19:08 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Yango quoted an older post by LT. Ignore the above.
Good ol yangers
Should try to drag him into a mafia game one of these days.
Artanis why you gotta be scum this game? I thought we were gonna have fun together.
Hi Wave! I'm not mafia though. Why do you believe I am?
Some activity, some feels mostly And I dunno your recent effort feels.... Disingenuous somehow?
Cant shake it.
Doesn't matter that much right now though cause you've probs got another day or two
Activity was gone yesterday since I was gone most of yesterday. Feel like I've been pretty active today though. Apparently, your feels be wrong. Can't do much with that but I understand the issue. Anyway, where's your head at other than that?
My feels are the same. Your case on Skynx feels forced. Your confusion of iamp and h1 feels uncaring...
Hopeless asked me to look into him. I did, found him to be scummy with a sidenote. If I wanted to 'look good' I'd probably come up with reasons to townread him because having the same read as the person asking you to look into someone will rarely actually make you look good. As for not caring much on confusing them; they're not up for lynch anytime soon and they both look fairly townie, so I'm not sure why I should care that much?
As a townie, I'm pretty clear on who my strong town reads are... Clearly you aren't. Mb because you know a priori they're both town and this read them differently...
For some reason I just always confuse Hopeless and Iamp because in my mind they're similar players and from a similar era. If you want to scumread me for mixing them up, well, I guess I can't stop you.
How dare you
I'm sorry I'll make it up to you somehow I promise!
On October 23 2016 22:55 iamperfection wrote: I'll be very tilted if Skynx isn't mafia
Don't get me wrong, I think he's probably mafia too. I just don't like Artanis' "case" on him at all, and am also willing to entertain the idea that skynx is not scum. Now vivax... vivax is irredeemable. Even if Onegu comes in right now and says Vivax is a modconfirmed townie, I will still lynch him for being fucking scum.
I'll be ultra tilted if vivax is town
Really doesn't seem possible at this point.
Rest of scumteam: Artanis GB SL Taco(?) Lunatic(?)
On October 23 2016 23:22 Skynx wrote: My internet sucks so im stuck on phone
1) Tubes reasons came out of nowhere imo, thats like just your opinion man.
2) Are you reading at all? LT and BM were being scummy, yeah goodjob town we didnt go after a low hanging fruit and we lynched one of the more apparent townies in the game wp.
3) I didn't, i wasn't here for rest of the day.
4) Lol there i was tunneling town!you and you quote that? I grew a lot as a player since then and thats definitely not one of my good pushes at all.
1) How were they more out of nowhere than anyone else starting about a new read?
2) It's more a supportive point to the rest of the case; you went exclusively after low hanging fruit, choosing the easy option.
3) So you didn't prevent TT's lynch at all like you claimed in your initial defense. Gotcha.
4) The point wasn't what you're doing, it's how you were doing it. The tone is completely different which I was trying to convey since the start.
On October 24 2016 06:02 beentheredonethat wrote: ahhh im dumb as fuck
I just realized that my D1 ability costs me 4 hp, which makes it actually likely that someone who's next to me is attacking me with a basic attack. So I was attacked for 6hp D1, and for 6hp N1. Which makes it likely that the same person attacked me.
Who is currently next to me? If it's the same person D1/N1, I at least know who it is.
Funny enough, if the player list = start positions, it would be Skynx OR Lunatic.
Basic attacks can only attack the person next to you?
On October 23 2016 08:23 sicklucker wrote: should I bother reading last night or was it just all garbage? im kind of glad hf now we will be more civilized
Check out HF's read on Artanis and look into Artanis.
On October 24 2016 06:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I remember reading something about you saying it was either Koshi or me that was mafia. Can you go into why?
Erm, did I? Quote it up and I'll be glad to reply tot that.
Uh, I guess it wasn't you? I think I came accross that at some point but I forgot who it was ><
On October 24 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't really think Skynx is mafia anymore. ##Unvote ##Vote GlowingBear
The fire rises.
Anything specific about Skynx? So far I've only liked his post that was about the movement and who attacked GB I think it was. And that can probably come from mafia.
Part of me feels like GB would play more if he rolled mafia. His "why did I sign up" post(s) seemed geniune to me.
Just the martyr into ah fuck it I should try felt genuine to me.
Meh, I don't agree. GB is legendary for falling off after D1 as mafia, and I think he's a lot more likely to step it up by now if he's town.
I just went through two old games of LT in an attempt to get any bearing on the shitshow that is his filter and was left with no more information than I started with. I have absolutely no clue.
On October 21 2016 17:42 ritoky wrote: I think the 2 best candidates for lynch who are outside of policy-sub/modkill range are GB and Lunatic.
Lunatic's case is pretty simple: I don't think he believes or cares very much about his reads. He has said Koshi is mafia since his first post for essentially being Koshi. But he hasn't made any real substantive push to try and convince people to get on board his Koshi lynch, he has just kind of left it sitting there passively. I don't even know the details of why he believes Koshi is mafia, but he says it so much in his filter that you would think he is tunneled. But then you read his filter and he doesn't seem tunneled at all, he isn't working to get people on board his target; I think he doesn't particularly care to lynch scum. There's something funky with his HF read, primarily with its basis being garbage. He town reads him, then flips basically because of omgus, then apparently wants to lynch HF but treats him like Koshi. HF not pushing back to the point of trying to lynch Luna over this hot trash read gives me some pause, but at least he called him likely mafia.
GB is a variety of things. He is overall underwhelming thus far. He didn't show any excitement I was in the game. I don't see any of his spastic town/trying to make a play town tendencies. His just agree with HF rather than try to engage him to get a read seems off and like it may come from a place of extra information. He stated a placeholder vote, when I feel like town GB would more likely use his vote as a weapon to gauge reaction rather than literally tell me he wasn't serious about his vote.
Since both you (Art and Koshi) have played with Ritoky a bunch and are meta-y.
IS this the normal kind of case Ritoky does? I haven't played with him in a longtime but I thought his town posts were much more concise and he always went after people who were "overexplainers". This seems fairly overexplained to me.
He usually does something that I think makes him 100% town, much like he talks about here:
1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments.
2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you.
i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many.
But not yet, not sure if htat's due to him not having played and he changed since it's been 6+ months?
Last time I waffled on him he was mafia. He felt very agreeable and a bit of a pleaser that game which is not an impression I'm getting from him this game.
On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though.
On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote: I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit.
I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here:
On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:
On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: [quote]
I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match.
So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive?
Wave is definitely mafia btw.
I lost 0 hp.
Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets.
Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points.
Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia
In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too
But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia
I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit.
I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town.
This dude has to be town for this
Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic
The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious.
Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though.
artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me.
i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia.
also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was.
This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't.
What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not)
If I got a dime for every time I didn't live up to people's expectations of me.. Honestly I don't tend to get townread until people push me and votes actually pile up, after which I get upset and that emotional read tends to get me townread more than anything these days.
I replaced into a game and tried to get my bearings and was greeted by people who decided to call me scum for not living up to their expectations immediately. I've done my best so far with filters but the problem is that my scumreads tend to be afk. Secondly, game is too fricking large and since I wasn't a part of D1 I have to start from scratch in a 100+-page game.
On October 24 2016 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wr9ote: I'm mostly getting a TR on ptmc through reading SL's filter. Thanks SL. Also kinda agree on Wave looking meh. This post
On October 21 2016 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Ughhhhhh game is boring Can't wait for night phase
I guess I'll make a short list of KP targets for later we should all follow
And if people don't trust me then we can get acro or Dandel or somebody people like to agree with me
Oh also everyone needs to claim damage at phase change
Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post
kill kill murder murder death.
BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD. more death
"Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post" feels like he's overcompensating a bit.
I guess I'm ok with SL.
Hey man, you're supposed to keep our bedroom knowledge inside the bedroom!
But srsly, overcompensating for what exactly? For not having anything to say? For not accomplishing much? Because you're probably right. Does your comment mean anything or go anywhere?
NARP
It's a point against you in terms of displaying a mafia guilt. On its own it isn't much though.
Tubesock asked me about the Ritoky read. There's little antagonistic things in his filter like:
On October 20 2016 08:52 ritoky wrote: this game blows.
here's some reads: most town: dandel most mafia: hopeless
On October 20 2016 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote: k so lamp, a large amount of dandel's posts are related to acro's rosh claim and me saying we oughta fite him. like read his (dandel's) filter, and then read ritoky's reason for calling me scummy. Does not compute imo.
? don't make assumptions about my reads. you don't know why i think dandel is town.
On October 20 2016 12:39 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:30 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:17 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote: Exo looks like a VI to me and WoS looks a bit townie cuz reasons..... Hopeless is giving me scum vibes because of him defending WoS.
wat makes you think exo is dumb instead of scum?
Because not revealing a TPro to town is more beneficial for scum
?????? i don't even know what this says.
TPro=Town Protection=Doc like roles
but how do you know WoS is a protective role? and why does exo get town credit for pushing on an obvious crumb when he thinks the person is lying since crumbing protective is dumb as shit?
i don't understand how you get to dumb town
And that's just from his first page. Ritoky isn't this antagonistic as mafia, generally.
On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote: Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill
i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually.
So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill?
Also where is Koshi?
kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since.
i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game.
I still think Lunatic is probably town.
On October 23 2016 17:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With Lunatic's last mafia game being this, I feel somewhat confident calling him town this game. Though I expect him to be able to play a better mafia game than that, he's going after Koshi and HF pretty early on which doesn't match with the complete lack of confidence and defensiveness of the last game.
He's posted only two times since then AND I FINALLY FOUND OUT WHO SAID THE KOSHI OR ARTANIS THING
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3
Lunatic, why is there one scum between Koshi/Artanis?
SL kinda feels town to me for pointing out stuff on ptmc and generally railing on things that I feel make sense like the wave post I quoted before.
On October 24 2016 17:31 Acrofales wrote: Artanis, how come you claim you want to read people through engaging them, have me as a null read and for the second time this game, know we are both online, but don't engage me.
You're afraid I'll catch you out, you scummy man?
We've engaged plenty haven't we? Like 10 of my posts were engaging you. You kinda fall in the Tubesock people-that-are-present-and-kinda-doing-things range that I tend to write off as leaning town but never really look into.
You should stop catching trains right when you're challenging me to engage you though. That's kinda lame.
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing. I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that. Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT GB Hamazura Exo SL Tubesock Lunatic and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.
Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.
On October 24 2016 22:35 Vivax wrote: The good: 3. Artanis. He's serious. There's no playing around. It's the empire mafia criterion. He'll just fool around and joke rather than get to work this blatantly as mafia. So I'm doing this call just based on that. I don't think I've seen a single gif? Maybe he's ill, most certainly he's being a good townie boy his parents would be proud of.
Also something about how the game is flowing makes my bones say Acro is scum but it's completely unsubstantiated Mostly just from how whenever the lurkers actually pop up they seem kinda townie I think and Acro seems to be fine with keeping the status quo? Something like that.
On October 24 2016 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @those scumreading Luna please take a look at Lunatic's last game as mafia here. It's very short and doesn't really look like this one imo.
I don't think we really can compare that game to anything due to him being almost 100% scumread by a majority in the thread after his first post. I even got similar vibes of how he started here, so i don't think (that game) can clear him via meta. Anything else we are missing?
On October 24 2016 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Bleh Acro's filter has a shitton of original thought so prob not. Maybe Wave?
Hmm. I think Acro/iamp/DI/WoS are fine atm.
ritoky/sicklucker are more likely active mafia.
Could be that my ritoky townread is off-point. He's a sly bugger but I think it's still likely accurate. SL I mostly townread for having similar thoughts but that's pretty meh. Wish Rso was in the game so I could tell if he's scum or not from whether he reads her posts.
Problem is neither of those fit the feeling I'm getting. I guess it could be something like SL/Tubesock and other mid-range posters creating that feeling?
Still going through Wave's filter but not really noticing anything that makes me scream scum. He comes off as very nonchalant but it doesn't come off scripted. Blehhhhhhh
In regards to the whole WoS claiming thing... idk it all feels overblown to me. I think he started making the other "claims" kinda as a joke after Exo made his entrance. I guess it's possible he's scum, but I'm not really seeing it.
Only person who basically (mostly) nailed exactly what I did and I don't like how nobody but him seemed to pick up on it and he does so with relative ease.
Actually I'm not sure if that says more about Exo than him tbh.
I should probably go back and read iamps diarrhea explosion list
Also Acro you have bedbugs? My brother had those. He left half his stuff in a bag in the garage for months and wouldnt go get it
It's exactly the kind of remark I'd have when someone points out something no one else did, and the fooling around after fits the nonchalantness. If he were scum I think he'd push this point harder if he's scum (quoted person is TT) but he kept a global view of things. He also never helped the TT wagon when HF kickstarted it even though he had reason to do so.
On October 24 2016 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Bleh Acro's filter has a shitton of original thought so prob not. Maybe Wave?
Hmm. I think Acro/iamp/DI/WoS are fine atm.
ritoky/sicklucker are more likely active mafia.
Could be that my ritoky townread is off-point. He's a sly bugger but I think it's still likely accurate. SL I mostly townread for having similar thoughts but that's pretty meh. Wish Rso was in the game so I could tell if he's scum or not from whether he reads her posts.
Problem is neither of those fit the feeling I'm getting. I guess it could be something like SL/Tubesock and other mid-range posters creating that feeling?
Still going through Wave's filter but not really noticing anything that makes me scream scum. He comes off as very nonchalant but it doesn't come off scripted. Blehhhhhhh
I think you're wrong on Ritoky. He seems pretty amicable.
Did you see the posts I quoted on him? I disagree strongly.
On October 24 2016 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can get behind a Lunatic lynch after being informed of that 24-page game though. ##Unvote ##Vote Lunaticman
By that logic I should just be just as good a lynch.
Yeah but we're going with the 2-lynch Koshi plan and you're already getting lynched
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
I have asked this of you before, but why?
The lynch on Koshi day one should have been successful, he played awful and was way to engaged for a regular townie. His tone and meta is/was way to easy to read. Just look at him now, using game mechanics to scare you into not lynching him. The mafia obviously saved him by going for HF:s lynch instead day 1.
Art is purely based on HF, you were a 100% lock scum read. I have no reason why I shouldn't trust HF:s read.
That's an awful reason. Vivax 'should' have been lynched on D1 shouldn't he have?
HF 'read' me based on one day where I was mostly afk. Also, if we lynched every 100% lock scum read town HF has ever had we'd probably be 50/50. Why are you only using HF's reads when NM was shot as well?
On January 15 2016 17:29 Holyflare wrote: Yeh you're 100% mafia then. The first post I was annoyed and then saw no reactions and made it into a plan. Quite evident by my posts and my vote on damdred but you're not even looking into that.
On January 02 2016 08:23 Alakaslam wrote: So nobody stays awake for a New Years party? Then why even pause game for new yeArs? I just woke up like sra
You're 100% mafia slam stop the faking. There were multiple warnings this was happening. Of all the things to be angry about this sure isn't one of them.
On October 25 2016 00:12 Kurumi wrote: Sigh I still don't have time nor the energy to really play the game. Lord Tolkien has been obvious Mafia from D1, Vivax is not scum, I don't really understand what are you trying to do with bringing Lunaticman as a counterwagon.
Also if your so busy how do you now vivax is town you manage to read his recent posts? I thought you were busy?
I read his filter, I am not going to give out an opinion out of nothing, I would if I were Mafia, but I'd never tell you guys about the lack of time if I were. I feel bad about not giving this game enough time, but between feeling radical anger or sadness, I have uni to keep eye on.
So what in his filter makes you think he's not scum?
On October 25 2016 00:12 Kurumi wrote: Sigh I still don't have time nor the energy to really play the game. Lord Tolkien has been obvious Mafia from D1, Vivax is not scum, I don't really understand what are you trying to do with bringing Lunaticman as a counterwagon.
Also if your so busy how do you now vivax is town you manage to read his recent posts? I thought you were busy?
I read his filter, I am not going to give out an opinion out of nothing, I would if I were Mafia, but I'd never tell you guys about the lack of time if I were. I feel bad about not giving this game enough time, but between feeling radical anger or sadness, I have uni to keep eye on.
So what in his filter makes you think he's not scum?
Nothing is wrong in his filter + context - he has not spammed the thread, did not bicker with anyone, he left riff-raff where it was and reads Lord Tolkien Mafia for all the correct reasons.
So you believe a subdued, inactive vivax is.. town?
On October 25 2016 00:12 Kurumi wrote: Sigh I still don't have time nor the energy to really play the game. Lord Tolkien has been obvious Mafia from D1, Vivax is not scum, I don't really understand what are you trying to do with bringing Lunaticman as a counterwagon.
Also if your so busy how do you now vivax is town you manage to read his recent posts? I thought you were busy?
I read his filter, I am not going to give out an opinion out of nothing, I would if I were Mafia, but I'd never tell you guys about the lack of time if I were. I feel bad about not giving this game enough time, but between feeling radical anger or sadness, I have uni to keep eye on.
So what in his filter makes you think he's not scum?
Nothing is wrong in his filter + context - he has not spammed the thread, did not bicker with anyone, he left riff-raff where it was and reads Lord Tolkien Mafia for all the correct reasons.
So you believe a subdued, inactive vivax is.. town?
Since I am subdued, inactive and Town, so probably is Vivax. The story has already been told with Holyflare, you people read him scum for his slow play and wanted to shoot/lynch him and Mafia got him in the end, while he clearly was Town. I guess we should dig up his filter, it's short for this game...
Difference is that you're townreading him for things that are NAI at BEST. For Vivax, these are scumtells, and you should be aware of that by now. Sure, it's not a slam dunk, but calling him town for things that make him more likely to be mafia just because you're doing them confounds me.
On October 25 2016 01:36 beentheredonethat wrote: So, last 10 minutes for me before I'm off to Volleyball. Training ends at ~10.15/10.30pm so maybe I'll make it in time to deadline. Will be around shortly before or after 11pm.
I don't feel good at believing Koshi's claim. I want to explain my stance on this a bit more before I depart and I ask you guys to carefully consider if you are believing the claim or not.
Contra
1. It was an easy claim. There is no way that a role would counterclaim what Koshi claimed. Given it's a themed game and we do not know which roles are in besides the flipped ones and our own roles, there is absolutely no problem for Koshi to fake claim a double lynch ability.
2. Day and Night 1 Day 1 and Night 1 Koshi was absolutely scummy. At no point he tried to solve the game. His replies under pressure were full of bragging, derailing, and not even close to a serious discussion that would even remotely imply he is town. He has been scumread all game and the reasons for that read are absolutely solid. Besides the claim, there absolutely no reason to not scumread Koshi. His "cases" he put up are salty, WIFOM and bad. There is absolutely no effort that could be interpreted as townie besides the claim.
3. Ability volatility From what Koshi said, he has an ability to make two lynches flip within one day. First of all, reading my own abilities (which fully resolve around HP mechanics and in no way about anything else, yes, that's as close to a VT claim as it gets in this game) makes me feel really uncertain about that kind of ability being town-aligned.
Worst case: two town wagons flip. Medium case: one scum, one town flips. Best case: two scums flip.
I'm not good at math but given the likely scum to town distribution, I think the worst case is way more likely than the best case. This ability will become good in certain scenarios, agreed - but it is such a potential game changer that I don't think hosts will put this ability into the game. Although, if I'm really honest here, if that ability is indeed part of the game then it will most likely be a town ability as scum would be safe and sound to use that ability.
4. Koshi is not today's lynch Which makes his rage hard to believe. Koshi should know he's not going to be the lynch today. He should know that we're all rather calm players that are willing to reconsider if we are given solid stuff to work with. He's however not even trying to go down the reasonable road, although I explicitely offered him the opportunity to do so by asking him to calm down, leave the thread, return with solid reads, analysis and simply more town behaviour. Keep in mind he still hasn't dropped a solid read list that we could work with if he flipped town at any point. There's literally nothing of value in Koshi's filter that we could work with if he flipped town. A worthless Lunatic push is the best he could do thus far.
Pro
1. Most likely, town ability As written above, I do not think that hosts would put that ability in the hands of mafia. That would be really imbalanced, basically allowing mafia to mislynch two people at once. Given we all have attacks and are likely to kill each other that would be really, really tough to deal with.
2. Koshi's rage over the day Although I talked about that at the contra section already, I think there's also the possibility that this is town rage and genuine. Early Koshi felt lackluster, not really caring, and I thought this is highly indicative of his scum style of the previous 3 games of which 2 I hosted. In none of those games I have seen Koshi rage that hard when being under pressure. On the other hand, in none of these games was Koshi as much under pressure as he is right now.
Those are the cons and pros that I can come up with at this point. For my judgement, this is not enough pro to believe the claim. This is why I would like you guys to only start a second wagon that was started by a more or less townread person. I would suggest taco bell hamazuro guy to be the second wagon. Yes, there's a chance he might be replaced or modkilled - but as ritoky said, we can't be sure of that. We should definitely go for the people that are not playing the game at all, as others already mentioned, and I think that guy is a good target. Why not Lunatic or Skynx? Lunatic is the easy target. He's doing not much. But the thing is that Koshi has been pushing him a lot. So either it's bussing, starting from D1, or scum!Koshi trying to direct one more mislynch, or town!Koshi vs. whatever Lunatic, I don't care. Either way, we should re-evaluate Lunatic once Koshi has flipped. Koshi will flip (or not) depending on what's happening at this very deadline. This is why I wouldn't choose Lunatic for today's second wagon, although he's worth a lynch, vig shot, or simply stacked damage after all.
Skynx on the other hand is actually every now and again trying to play the game. I have him as a scumread but I really need to reevaluate his filter, I haven't done so yet, so a full day cycle is currently missing in my read of Skynx. Also, note how Koshi voted him, then switched to Lunatic.
(Also, look at Artanis, who was scumread by HF (confirmed town) and voted with Koshi on Skynx and on Lunatic, which can be coincidence, but it worries me. Talking more about Artanis: his thoughts over the day feel reasonable and I tend to actually like what he's writing. However his push on GlowingBear in the context of Lunatic, Skynx, and Vivax being the lynches today, it feels empty. Pressuring GB when town is on other persons with a single vote won't work. It's also very safe to go for GB as scum since GB is not playing the game, low hanging fruits and shit, easy target to appear pushy but stay under the radar).
Also, still, someone should evaluate NocturneMage's filter! There must be a reason why he was killed N1 shortly after having replaced in.
Regarding Koshi: Koshi has a history of raging a lot as town, especially when he's not getting his way and it hasn't been proven he's wrong yet. I also don't think Koshi is creative enough to come up with this idea out of thin air so there's likely some truth in it, plus I don't really see a negative to creating a second wagon.
As for your points on me, or rather, the only point on me: I was hoping to get more people to notice how GB has done fuck all and put him up as a second wagon. Unfortunately I am not clairvoyant and can therefore not guess that I'd be the only vote on him. Also not sure what you're trying to infer with the Koshi vote pattern thing. It'd be pretty awful scum play if Koshi and I were scum together and I completely sheeped him when both of us have large question marks over our heads. If you're implying town/scum I'm not sure what your point is.
On October 25 2016 02:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup. Defs getting the jibblies. For some reason I feel like him and Artanis can't be scum together. Dunno why I think that though. Maybe cause 'A' names
On October 25 2016 02:30 GlowingBear wrote: Wtf how am I not playinf the game, I'm postibg here every couple if hours and I already gave reads I'VE got.
I'm not being useless, I'm giving bits of information every time.
I already said I think ptmc is town. I now think Artanis is town based on meta - I don't think this is the way he plays as mafia, he is not too try hard and he is not accusing people and sticking to that argument without rethinking them. His approach on me looks pretty townie IMO. I also think Koshi might be town, his posts seems very fluid with not so much thought put on them.
Ritoky is a question mark. He doesn't seem very interested into solving the game. Could be mafia.
Acrofales was very invested in the game, but his efforts kinda dropped. He was (or is) one of the most active players in the game, but I don't see him putting effort into actually having his targets lynched. Yes, I know Vivax is getting lynched, but I don't remember him being thoughtful about the future cycles.
Iamp may be town and I can be paranoid, but I think I have a solid argument on him being town.
I haven't read Skynx's post with much attention but I have a gut feeling he could be mafia. I can't explain why. It's a feeling.
That's all I have for now
Fine, you can live. I dunno about Acro though, he's been very useful early on but you may be right in that he's kinda laying back.
Someone I also kinda have the jeebies for is Tubesock. He comments a lot on things that come by and says smart stuff but he doesn't really do anything.
On October 25 2016 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Rereading my big post on Koshi pro/cons, I feel like I have judged too much out of a "Koshi is definitely scum" mindset. Artanis, can you point me to Koshi games where he raged as town? Like, now?
I refer to the ban list thread. You're most likely to find which games Koshi raged in from the ban list actions.
On October 25 2016 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi, I did not attack you.
Also, if no one claims their AA on me I'll have to presume it came from scum.
Well. I did not do 5 damage to you. My basic damage is 7 btw, which I claimed before, of course this could be fake but come on... Does anybody has an attack that is 5? Or lower?
So I got so much damage and nobody from town claims it. I have a feeling I got the ulti from Wynter Wyvern on me and Artanis and iamp attacked me or something.
How much damage did you 2 do last night? Could it be over 35 together?
If I had wyverns ulti on me, would I be stunned? Maybe I would be.
Artanis can you answer? Did you do massive damage?
I used an ability and got RBed. I didn't do any damage.
On October 25 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm confused. You think I hit you, am lying about it but also think I'm town? wut?
Redirects are possible. However why do you think Koshi townreads you?
3 minutes earlier...
On October 25 2016 19:35 Koshi wrote: Well I figured that out. Was fun.
imo kill Vivax/Luna first. Afterthat ritoky/sicklucker/skynx/Acro. the ones who don't die and don't have damage done to them. If sicklucker is town, he should check heroes for being full hp.
Endgame it is up to people to find the mafia in LT/Hama and others. If WoS is mafia it is perfect for him that he can't post. I almost can't believe it lasts till forever. sicklucker probably knows it only last for 1 phase or so. Rupture isn't forever.
That is not an Artanis townread.
He's not scumreading me, or scumreading 8 people harder than me. That qualifies.
@btdt I did not townread Acro or Tube for being in the "people-that-are-present-and-kinda-doing-things range". In fact, that was a reason to scumread them, but then I went into their filters and I didn't find them that scummy after all. I also think Koshi is still solidly town but he's doing weird shit.
My read on Ritoky isn't quite that strong. I still think he's town but I wouldn't lose any sleep over him dying. Also, why are you putting SL up as townread whilst putting Dandel as null? What makes you more town on him than Dandel?
I kind of like ExO's TS read. I think it makes ExO town moreso than it makes TS scum though in the sense that he's looking for details like timestamps and the reasoning behind them.
The problem is I could easily see a townie do that too. I've made feel-reads on people before reading their filter and confirming what I kinda already thought earlier myself, so I don't think that's very strong. In fact I've probably done it this game already.
The wagon jumping D1 implicates him but the day 2 stuff doesn't really. I wasn't there for D1 so I can't really judge that given I'm missing the context.
Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
So you have several win conditions, but can't discuss any of them. How can we know your win conditions are town aligned? What incentive do you have to work with town to find and kill scum?
They're related to dealing with certain heroes. Since I have no idea who they are or what alignment they are I mind as well work with town to find scum. My incentive is to have the game last longer so I can actually achieve said wincons.
On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
So you have several win conditions, but can't discuss any of them. How can we know your win conditions are town aligned? What incentive do you have to work with town to find and kill scum?
They're related to dealing with certain heroes. Since I have no idea who they are or what alignment they are I mind as well work with town to find scum. My incentive is to have the game last longer so I can actually achieve said wincons.
Then tell us some of the hero names. That could potentially be a big help. If we know some of the other heroes we can maybe work out potentially what they might do.
Rubick, Omniknight, Windranger, Centaur Warrunner are four I interact with.
On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
hm now convince me not to punch you in the face until either of us is dead
0 scum have died so far and punching me in the face both punches yourself in the face and won't kill any scum
On October 26 2016 20:02 Dandel Ion wrote: you say interact, but it sounds like you just need them dead, or you wouldnt be fine with them potentially getting lynched or otherwise dead
I have 7 different wincons and I need a combination of a few of them. Trust me, it's not just needing them dead.
On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
hm now convince me not to punch you in the face until either of us is dead
0 scum have died so far and punching me in the face both punches yourself in the face and won't kill any scum
this is demonstrably false, or did you forget i already punched you once? and nothing happened to me. as for the second part, can't really be sure about that can i besides if youre an sk we have to deal with you even tho you're not scum and you know that dont play dumb
The getting punched back thing starts from N1 so if you hit me D1 then you're right. I get removed from the game if I remove X amount of wincons. I don't make shit up, I'm especially terrible at it.
On October 26 2016 20:07 Dandel Ion wrote: a better way to convince me would be to, say, share your rolecop results you surely must have.
theres no way you get a role like you claim without a way of finding the targets so gibe or get gotten
I actually don't have anything of the sort. My role kinda relies on people randomly claiming their roles or me provoking them into doing as such I spose.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
You went from 5 to 15. Alright idk what your objective is but I'm fairly certain you are lying. If it looks like scum, and walks like scum....
I never mentioned having '5'. You asked me to name some and I named some. Naming them all would be very silly.
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
You went from 5 to 15. Alright idk what your objective is but I'm fairly certain you are lying. If it looks like scum, and walks like scum....
I never mentioned having '5'. You asked me to name some and I named some. Naming them all would be very silly.
You can argue semantics all you want, but to list 4, then specifically mention 1 other implies 5 pretty heavily. Otherwise why add legion commander to the list you mentioned?
Especially as viper. Viper is the most boring ass hero in dota and for him to have a complicated role like this makes no sense. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use this argument, but I cannot see a world in which the game designers used Viper (one of the heroes with the smallest amount of lore and fewest "rivals") to be this super complicated role with interactions to all of these different heroes.
You are lying.
No it doesn't, it implies the last one I mentioned I wanted to mention for a reason specific to that hero.
I'm not lying, I'm terrible at lying and making this shit up. I'd also question why I'd be making this shit up when there's like 0 pressure on me and the lynch is already locked for today and looked to be pretty locked up for tomorrow too in GB. Doesn't make any sense.
Not an SK, damage output is minimal and it's much more important to hit scum than me. Given I'm out in the open it's also clearly in my best interest to work with town to not get lynched. This isn't difficult.
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?
You lynch them if they don't agree.
Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying: You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch? And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?
If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.
On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
I mean, you could have done the same as any alignment and it would have been all the same to me lol
But this fits with my vote analysis so I'm cool with it Not that you were even here on D1 to fit, but stillllll
You're low priority anyway so help us out or die or something I guess?
Maybe it would've been the same to you but I really enjoy saying things that are true but also can be misinterpreted like that
I'd like to but Dandel seems to still want to kill me which is sadtimes.
On October 26 2016 20:36 Dandel Ion wrote: you could be scum. but luckily it's not actually up to you what we do
dont be scared by his bs retaliation claims, and even if it was true, murdering him is the right play anyway. i can take 5 or whatever to get rid of the SK, and so can you. saves more hp in the long run anyway. absolutely no reason that even if he WAS honest (nope) to assume artanis is smart enough to kill mafia for us, so negotiations are over.
On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.
It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me
hm now convince me not to punch you in the face until either of us is dead
0 scum have died so far and punching me in the face both punches yourself in the face and won't kill any scum
this is demonstrably false, or did you forget i already punched you once? and nothing happened to me. as for the second part, can't really be sure about that can i besides if youre an sk we have to deal with you even tho you're not scum and you know that dont play dumb
The getting punched back thing starts from N1 so if you hit me D1 then you're right. I get removed from the game if I remove X amount of wincons. I don't make shit up, I'm especially terrible at it.
Oh actually come to think of it, I seem to remember you fake claiming 3P in some game a long time ago that netted you a scum win? Maybe? (or was that kita?) It had something to do with a TARDIS
I dunno. I trust you less than ritoky let's say.
I have never ever claimed 3p before, nor have I ever been 3p before. TARDIS sounds like aperture which I didn't play.
On October 26 2016 20:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Well I'm all about sticking to the list, and while you're on it, you're lower down so I'm OK to see what happens. Plus, like ritoky, I bet you don't want scum to win so you're going to help us by killing who I want, right?
If I means town and it means I don't get shot, then that sounds like a plan to me.
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?
You lynch them if they don't agree.
Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying: You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch? And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?
If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.
But the lynchbait is at least some days off from their designated lynch time. And even then I don't see why they should humour you. Damn you flood control...
Meh, I guess. I can just keep shooting who town wants me to shoot and hope it's people on my deathlist. Should be easy to make sure I'm keeping my part of the bargain.
On October 26 2016 20:30 Dandel Ion wrote: well i guess now we know how LT took so much damage.
i think we'll have to kill artanis, cant afford to keep him around until d5 (as d4 is already kurumi's exclusive)
sicklucker (i think?) had the damage% amp yeah? well get on it footsoldiers, i'll mightily lead the charge.
Or you can just help me achieve my objectives and I'll disappear from the game whilst not having to waste a lynch on someone who will never flip scum in a game where not a single scum has died yet. That might be a better idea.
On October 26 2016 20:30 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:
On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
but what is the incentive for someone up for lynch?
You lynch them if they don't agree.
Just to make sure that i understand what you are saying: You want the top lynch to tell you his role so that you kill him instead of him being the lynch? And us to then take your word for it, stop our lynch on that guy and lynch the next on the list?
If there's a bunch of lynchbait like Kurumi and GB around, you make them claim their roles and I hit one whilst town lynches the other.
But the lynchbait is at least some days off from their designated lynch time. And even then I don't see why they should humour you. Damn you flood control...
Meh, I guess. I can just keep shooting who town wants me to shoot and hope it's people on my deathlist. Should be easy to make sure I'm keeping my part of the bargain.
Just stick kp on GB for a start and he should flip today.
On October 26 2016 13:04 Hopeless1der wrote: My thoughts on Koshi:
So i feel the need to say that the fact that Koshi failed to produce a double lynch is not *necessarily* his fault. He proclaimed it to the world and it got struck down.
A) he thought it was nearly foolproof (and is town) B) he's scum C) hes 3p (super unlikely, this is only here for the sake of addressing all options...at this point Planar Dragon is a thing)
So, while it'd be great to be able to just lynch him and be done with it, the flavor/end of the day strongly suggests the presence of Balanar (nightstalker). If we are approaching LYLO/MYLO territory, then sure lets get rid of him on the chance the he is in fact responsible for causing the no-lynch. However, I still think Koshi is more likely town than scum and I dont want to remove him, especially since he claims to have taken so much damage and is liable to die to random aoe damage without our intervention anyways, so we dont need to look at him for lynch for a couple days imo..
I'll spend more time worrying about the rest of the game after Vivax dies, but I at least want to say that I think Koshi is town atm. If I die in the meantime, oh welp, I'm not that strong imo, so not a huge deal to me. I've been hitting acro, 'protecting' lamp and annoying dandel so far this game.
This post feels ehhhh to me.
"Koshi could be mafia, 3p or town. I think he's town but we should kill him if he's still around when we approach LYLO. Also I've been hitting Acro whom most everyone is townreading."
On October 26 2016 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote: claim he needs 10 wincons 'oops guys not quite there yet' 'nope still not quite, just do random thing X for me' 'i guess that wasn't enough! let me just kill a coulpe people'
i can see into the future.
I have already promised to use my kp as town sees fit, which is mostly checkable.
On October 26 2016 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote: claim he needs 10 wincons 'oops guys not quite there yet' 'nope still not quite, just do random thing X for me' 'i guess that wasn't enough! let me just kill a coulpe people'
i can see into the future.
Well, force him to claim so we can put on the bullshit detector at least.
On October 26 2016 22:08 Dandel Ion wrote: on gb, farily certain ive said this before but it's basically hyper scummy how he explains just about all his reads either by 'HF said so' (after n1) or 'btnd said so' (after n2) and doesnt do anything of his own.
so yeah we can murderize the man and prolly flip him soonish, while i heroically lead the expedition to slay the snaketanis.
I may have to murder you if you annoy me too much.
On October 26 2016 22:11 ptmc wrote: It might even give you your wincon? Why did you not do it without any claims straightaway?
Are you talking about me killing Dandel? I didn't even know he was low hp until recently. I also prefer killing people I think are more likely to be mafia to prolong the game.
On October 26 2016 22:08 Dandel Ion wrote: on gb, farily certain ive said this before but it's basically hyper scummy how he explains just about all his reads either by 'HF said so' (after n1) or 'btnd said so' (after n2) and doesnt do anything of his own.
so yeah we can murderize the man and prolly flip him soonish, while i heroically lead the expedition to slay the snaketanis.
I may have to murder you if you annoy me too much.
I mean, you do that and we just flat out kill you since you'll be working against us.
You can't really blame me for killing people that are shooting me though. Will be targetting GB today, don't worry.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Maybe he's not Viper but that guy who has like 10 different abilities? Invoker is it? (useless speculation anyway)
Not sure why I'd fakeclaim anything at this point but okay
On October 26 2016 22:47 Dandel Ion wrote: wave the fraud, EXPOSED?!?!?
more at 11
also if some of you mighty fine gentlemen could relaxedly join my soft and sexy instrumental self on my chillaxin' crusade of murder against scumtanis aka the possibly-3p-but-definitely-in-need-of-death, that'd be great. dw dont need to claim it, it can be a surprise inquisition.
On October 26 2016 22:44 ExO_ wrote: I know this is derailing the thread a lot but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. Sitting here listening to Wave make an ass of himself and dragging me down as well isn't helping. It takes out almost all the motivation I have to play. When I work hard on making a case I'd at least like some discussion, not dealing with this bullshit.
I'm going to cool off and probably go to sleep. I'll attempt to ignore WoS for the rest of the game I guess.
if you think he's scum why you gonna ignore him? i mean i did that with btndnthn, but i was sure he was town so it was k
I did inform you I wasn't scum. Please update your thoughts accordingly.
I love blackadder but I can't honestly tell who you're talking about from this
I might've just been looking for an excuse to post it because I'd just watched it again and kept it vague on purpose so everyone'd pick someone in their own head to ascribe it to but shhhhh
On October 20 2016 23:36 AFK Jungle wrote: To clarify claiming a bit: You may claim your hero name. You may claim that you can do some basic role equivalent (E.g. doc, cop, vig and so on). You may not post the exact or close to exact wording of any content of your role PM. E.g. you may say: "I attacked disformation for 10" or "I cop checked disformation and got a red" or "I healed disformation for 10". E.g. you may not say: "I have a banhammer ability that has a 3 phase cooldown and lets me vig ppl who forget to vote."
Another thing on this. If your ability has any restrictions you may not say what those restrictions are. If your ability targets only dire. You may not say this. You can ask someone if they are dire. But you may not say why you are asking.
Doing so past this point will result in you losing that ability. Yes we are reading the game.
Hopeless' arguing feels town Exo prob town for his interaction with Wave Wave's arguing feels town Iam feels scum likes BM's post about Wave/Exo dislikes HF dislikes me for my post on Wave likes Acro dislikes Dandel's return on pg 23 as well as all his shitposting, but feels he has some good posts says it is normal to not like sicklucker
votes ritoky for meta-reads dislikes coordinated attacks dislikes sicklucker dislikes koshi for only town-reads and then going afk wary of wave, since he is only coasting dislikes the same post that ticktock likes by BM dislikes more posts by BM, but downgrades to a maybe mafia because he could just be retarded Thinks Skynx has a shit filter Thinks lunatics filter is scummy thinks i'm on point thinks ritoky hedges a lot dislikes that GB only placeholder-votes for ritoky dislikes ticktock for his general style and liking BM's post
needs a healer wants to coordinate slightly town on ritoky townreads hopeless, acro, wave, btdt thinks acro is bad tho thinks koshi could be town for tone dislikes HF's lack of activity, gets in argument with Kurumi about it dislikes Kurumis defense of HF and pushes for votes on him agrees with HF's assessment of BM
Lists all his reads, null: Tubesock, no interactions with the thread Acro, now has a bad feeling about his posts Kurumi, "nothing he does makes sense to me" Lunaticman, "I dont fucking now" BM, doesn't want to read his filter Holpess, ain't doing shit, no longer tr Ticktock, dislikes his post on BM, but waiting to see what he does me, I voted for him and now vote for Wave because he plays sub-optimally, I might be scum scum: GB: scum, doesn't do anything LT, lurker with only trash posts Skynx: doesn't try to lynch mafia Exo: unnatural tone, only talks about Wave, vote on Dandel lurker: Eversince, Vivax, Rels
Votes Exo, direkting KP towards Lurkers or GB
Wave calls iamp out for not having LT in his list, copies the same reason as he had in his list again Tries to get Exo out of his tunnel
claims Bloodseeker wants coordination HF leans town Acro is mafia (soul reading) dislikes GB not sold wave is town iamp is town, because he townread sl and hf now does not want to stack kp
Exo's post on Wave feels towny Dandel is only posting shit, votes him likes acros, dislikes Lunatics vote (disinterest or scummy) Koshi is wishy-washy, might be scum tries to keep the thread clean, towny tone scumleans dandel, but will not push him atm starts to push koshi instead votes koshi
calls Koshi scum for still only being reactive Sees even dandel trying to solve the game, but not koshi dislikes sicklucker dislikes iamp: not much content, soft koshi defense dandel sucks again sticks on Lunatic as well, no longer wants Wave dead, Iamp instead. Says BM's weird posts fit his meta back to disliking Wave for dodging questions
Calls out Wave for (fake) claiming Dazzle dislikes the way Wave follows up on his claim Dislikes how Dandel clutters the thread, changes vote to dandel slight town lean on ritoky
not a lot of variance in his filter, but I like that he sticks with his read. -> town lean
Koshi is "obviously" scum does not want to clutter the thread btdt gets a tone town read not sure on HF gets sr by HF, now HF is scum for defending Koshi
I wanted to sr him, but he makes good sense in his defense and provided arguments for his reads -> town lean
Likes Acro, Exo, Wave, not sure who to lynch dislikes Koshi, Hamazura, and vivax' inactivity unsure on GB, doesn't see why people scumread SL while also wanting to consolidate asks people for their reads might end up on me, tries to decide about Koshi hasn't had his eureka moment that gets him productive
Kurumi is trolling shitposts for days gut feeling on ritoky, one of him and hopeless will be mafia (but he could be wrong) Wave is probably scum, Exo put into words what BM was thinking dislikes Hopeless Town: iamp, exo, ritoky, kurumi, Dandel Scum: WoS, hopeless Wave has provided enough to unvote likes tubesock likes lunatic thinks koshi is genuine votes HF posts self meta as to why he is not mafia ticktock is mafia is fine with lynching kurumi for his weird defense of HF likes Ticktock
I dislike the self-meta stuff, his read progression makes little sense to me -> likely scum
joke-votes Skynx? votes Iamp for role-fishing slight tr on exo, null o Wave wants exo to stop tunneling, but wants to know why wave semi-claimed scum vibes of koshi -> koshi is town thread police is a role scum like to take -> btdt calls lunatic scum for his Koshi-vote calls HF scum for his ritoky-vote in the same vein He can't move on his own? Has claimed roshan unvotes iamp, because he wants to figure him out later Playing erratic is Kurumis thing?
List: Not liking Skynx, Tubesock, me, GB, Koshi, on the fence: Wave, iamp, btdt Town: Damdrel, Exo, Kurumi (good vibe)
Wants to ignore BM New list with Lunatic, GB, Hamazu, Tubesock as lynches, and Koshi and me -> Skynx missing LT is useless but he sympathises with LT's list
rereads Helpful, and thinks he is Scum for being a useless lurker still thinks i am a good lynch
Can you please look at BM? other than that, probably town
Koshi: starts with a town tone, gets way worse after #493 nothing actually noteworthy in his filter -> scumlean
Eversince: afk -> null
Kurumi: his posts are not really helpful, and i disagree a fair bit with his lists (if i even decipher them correctly). Posts #1009 and 1012 are decent tho. -> null/scum lean
likes dandel, dislikes hopeless because he was present and contributed nothing exo tentatively town Wave tentatively town likes that hopeless digs exo out of the tunnel also town HF, iamp, btdt (for activity), me, kurumi, dandel GB gets a scum lean for not fighting with HF gives two cases, for lunatic (not pushing Koshi hard enough as his scum read, his HF read is funky) and GB (no excitement)
omgus pushes ritoky, but puts him back to null after answers Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow? dislikes Exo's push -> Vote Exo tries to get exo out of his tunnel
little meaningful content so far -> scum lean. Said he will play properly today
claims Techies reads iamp town because he is funny gets called out for shitposting by btdt thinks exo is scum I liked how he brought up my point on Lunatic, and the interaction we had after it dislikes Vivax
(disregarding his "claim" post) doubts Dandel is scum suspicious of btdt Acro and Kurumi are town lot of filler Hamazu gets townread wants to coordinate sicklucker reeks of scum, would lynch SL or btdt wants to make LT squirm scumreads me for voting for him
Still not sure about him, so my vote seems good still. What happened with SL or btdt being your lynches? -> scumlean
GB: HF and Acro might be town votes ritoky as placeholder
useless lurk -> scum lean
LT: wants to lynch people he hasn't played with before wants to kill Kurumi for emote spam
useless lurk -> scum lean
Now some of this has been outdated (started around page 61 i think), but that is where i am at right now
The good: Seems like actual note-taking and effort went into reading the thread.
The bad: Waffly and wishy washy. There's no reason scum can't make list posts, and simply calling half the players "scum leans" is not very useful. Then again, half the players are scummy bastards, so hard to make much else of that. Voting for WoS seems meh. We're not gonna kill WoS today, so put in some effort on finding someone else. For instance, you could join me on the H1 train to scumlandia!
The ugly: DI claimed techies? Whut?
techies is third party or mafia for sure did someone really claim it? :D
whut i never claimed techies. i never would. im not even playing dota.
On October 21 2016 21:19 ptmc wrote: This is my second game, i played in the last newbie game. The reads for low content could easily change, if good content comes from those players. Anything specific you disagree with?
ya ok I dont get why everyone is scum reading an obv town. Like he acualy took notes doubt a first time scum is ever EVER faking that. would probably ride or die with this guy honestly
Waits for mod confirmation. Hard defends recipient. You the comic relief guy, right?
On October 22 2016 02:08 sicklucker wrote: Does anyone have a good reason why I shouldnt attack wave of shadow? All he does is spam suck up to hf and steal my plans and call me scum for coming up with the same plans as him.
honestly not rly, id be fine with it. the only thing i got is that we can definitely do better than that.
On October 22 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I think Ticktock would be a great lynch.
I disagree. Why do you think TT is scum?
I don't really care if you agree or not he feels really off.
Absolutely all of his reads are arse backwards and opposite opinions to what I see when I look at those posts.
His entrance as I said before was bs and literally a waste of time and tells us how he's going to play the game instead of playing it.
He doesn't form a coherent thought process with his perpetual catching up strategy, he says things that I have pointed, out he starts to agree with me that ritoky is weird (he seems to think my ritoky read was meta even though it's all entirely in game posts aka he isn't reading or giving a shit), he sees that kurumi was hard defending me and he hasn't disliked anything I've said but he's put me in an arbitrary "there's mafia in here" list with both ritoky and kurumi.
He points out stuff that's already been talked about and realises it and says "oh i should catch up before posting" but then repeats the same things people have said all over again.
He found ritoky suspicious for putting himself at the top of a list, ritoky pointed this out and it's actually an excellent point. Nobody gets angry at that wtf.
There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out.
He wants to lynch ptmc too and i like that guy and did before it was cool and mod related.
On October 22 2016 03:00 iamperfection wrote: [quote] Your vote is being wasted it's not gonna happen today
Why do you want me to vote Vivax so badly? Why shouldn't I lynch Lunatic?
I'm in diffrent to lunatic I don't care if he dies or not. Vivax is capable as playing as town he isn't we should kill. Your vote on Koshi is wasted
On October 22 2016 02:56 iamperfection wrote:
On October 22 2016 02:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
On October 22 2016 02:51 Acrofales wrote: Bah. He's like BM. Makes no sense at all. Is calling HF scum by association without having any flips. I can't read him, and don't get any obvious scum vibes from him. So prefer to lynch someone else.
Why you want to keep H1 around?
Yeah BM would be a fine lynch I think but I havent really dived
lynch low activity also great
Go vote vivax
That does not align.
Wtf are you talking about
You say to vote Vivax, and then 10 minutes later say he is capable of playing as town like this and shouldn't be voted
He is capable as a town player. He ain't playing therfore he is scum
That's actually a bad reason and feels constructed. Are you pushing a mislynch here that seems to be on easy afk town?
There is no bad lynch on Vivax. At lylo, if the other guy claims scum, it is still a great idea to lynch Vivax.
On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way.
can you elaborate on your "help"?
Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.
On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] Removing would be an apt way of putting it.
So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf
It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die'
I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch?
That you save a lynch on them?
On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote: That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off
I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.
Wtf wtf wtf.
Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Spectre died and was in there. He was one of the heroes I needed to deliver fatal dmg to for one of my objectives.
Did you?
No.
Are you secretly an SK and those 15 heroes are simply your hit list?
Hi I'm back from capoeira. @Acro I claimed cause the day was very boring and I got lazy and didn't really wanna bother digging deep. It was probably very dumb to do but oh welllll
On October 22 2016 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote: WoS, I'm not asking for you to give us the post itself, I'm asking the timestamp associated with the post/message that told you that you did take damage/ your KP was reduced. Surely you understand why I might give a shit about that, considering I'm keeping a record of claimed KP/HP/actions and you made a point of telling me you were "pristine".
On October 27 2016 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ah yes, this thing.
On October 22 2016 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote: WoS, I'm not asking for you to give us the post itself, I'm asking the timestamp associated with the post/message that told you that you did take damage/ your KP was reduced. Surely you understand why I might give a shit about that, considering I'm keeping a record of claimed KP/HP/actions and you made a point of telling me you were "pristine".
On October 27 2016 05:39 sicklucker wrote: You guys need to respect each other man. I have completely checked out of this game which I have never done ever before. Everytime I make a post its berated by half the thread this game is the most cancer game I have ever been in.
On October 27 2016 04:09 ritoky wrote: GB what exact results do your investigations return? Alignment? Name? Role? Enemy/not enemy?
Enemy/not enemy
So you're not even going to give us something useful?
@artanis: damn it. Why is your claim so believable and so unbelievable at the same time? I mean... Viper. It just depressant make sense to have all those bizarro conditions. But if it were fake, then either you're town and very bored or scum and playing against your wincon. So I believe you're 3p. Just... you sure you're not an SK?
I'm not an SK but some of my wincons do involve killing some heroes. I just have no idea what alignment they are. I'm removed from the game if I meet a certain combination of those wincons.
On October 27 2016 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What role do you believe GB is?
Tell me what ranged heroes you have to deal damage to, and I'll see if I can help you.
The ones I have to deal fatal damage to are the first four I mentioned before. Rubick, Omniknight, Windranger, Centaur Warrunner. No clue if any of those are ranged. It can be any 2 of that list.
On October 27 2016 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if there's any scum actually in the game.
It's not a bastard game (at least, it doesn't say so in the OP). So yes.
A bunch of 3rd parties could be considered an alternative to mafia though?
You're not making a case for yourself being a benevolent 3P... a bunch of separate 3Ps *could* take the place of a scumteam, but only if they are malevolent: cultists, SKs, stuff like that.
I know that GB and I are not like that. We had our own little game, and we will be out of the picture soon.
Just trying to explore the wtf so many 3rd party angle. It doesn't even make any sense for my own role since I can win with both town and scum so I'm not even making any sense to myself @_@
On October 27 2016 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if there's any scum actually in the game.
It's not a bastard game (at least, it doesn't say so in the OP). So yes.
A bunch of 3rd parties could be considered an alternative to mafia though?
You're not making a case for yourself being a benevolent 3P... a bunch of separate 3Ps *could* take the place of a scumteam, but only if they are malevolent: cultists, SKs, stuff like that.
I know that GB and I are not like that. We had our own little game, and we will be out of the picture soon.
Just trying to explore the wtf so many 3rd party angle. It doesn't even make any sense for my own role since I can win with both town and scum so I'm not even making any sense to myself @_@
Why do you believe ritoky is 3p?
He didn't feel mafia to me tonewise. He also wasn't particularly invested and he's a good scumplayer so 3p actually makes sense.
On October 27 2016 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What role do you believe GB is?
Tell me what ranged heroes you have to deal damage to, and I'll see if I can help you.
Wait so you're not going to kill GB now?
Don't care how he dies. As long as he dies before I do, I win. And I have the instant killshot, so if people threaten shenannies, I'll just fire and tap out. If not, you're stuck with both of us for another 24h and I'll shoot at the deadline to not have to take another shitton of damage at the resolution period and risk actually dying.
But you're going to use it this phase? Do you have to be the one to kill him? If not we can try and stack on him for you and you can use your big shot on someone of our choosing, no?
On October 27 2016 06:14 Koshi wrote: Does anybody know how to kill meepo? Do we lynch ritoky?
meepo according to doto dies if any meepo dies. He might switch hp between them, but actually only having one targetable per night seems a tad op, unless he has as good as no hp. So spreading kp amongst all meepos might work, or hitting one for more than dandel was able to last night. So the 40 dmg comes from gb? what a weird play.
On October 27 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or Lunatic. Forgot all about Lunatic. Lunatic or Kurumi? Which is the better shot?
I think Lunatic already took more damage. Funny story: yesterday I was almost certain Lunatic was my enemy and about to just shoot him in the face rather than actually checkin him, because some things made sense. But I checked him and the rest is history. Anyway, that means he's probably just scum.
Kurumi is playing even less than normal. Good chance he's also scum, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flips town or 5th party planar dragon.
so you checked Luna and just got back that he was not your enemy or what?
On October 27 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll just name the others. Juggernaut, Riki, Meepo, Oracle. We've already got a meepo claim from ritoky and an oracle claim from hopeless.
We had someone claim oracle iirc. And you want to be the last hit on them or what?
Nah, I don't have to kill them (the ones I listed just now). This is one of the wincons I'm not allowed to talk about :/ really afk now.
Attacked lunatic after all. Also Harami being VS means I failed one of my objectives and I'm still not one inch closer to any of my other objs :/ very unlikely to actually win this game so fucks given are pretty low.
Pretty much at the point of will do whatever town wants me to do atm. There's one wincon I could get but it's completely reliant on another person's role.
One of my abilities is basically a greencheck on someone. I can instakill someone and I doubt that's on a mafia but I'm gonna sit on it for now. Prob punching Skynx.
On October 29 2016 01:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: One of my abilities is basically a greencheck on someone. I can instakill someone and I doubt that's on a mafia but I'm gonna sit on it for now. Prob punching Skynx.
Are those 2 different abilities?
Punching was using Dandel's term. I'm just using basic attack.
I have an ability that oneshots a specific role. I presume that this person is town or 3p cause it would be pretty fucked for mafia.
On October 29 2016 17:46 Dandel Ion wrote: maybe put artanis in the tubesock or exo (and now: +or artanis) pile, i believe the 3p claim at least but if he's anti-town it could be a 5-player scumteam + SK. but this will only become relevant if i can't find up to 5 alive mafia.
Town or scum wins regardless of if I'm in the game. Don't need to be removed.
On October 29 2016 17:46 Dandel Ion wrote: maybe put artanis in the tubesock or exo (and now: +or artanis) pile, i believe the 3p claim at least but if he's anti-town it could be a 5-player scumteam + SK. but this will only become relevant if i can't find up to 5 alive mafia.
Town or scum wins regardless of if I'm in the game. Don't need to be removed.
not to like, harp on old points, but, 'you would say that' and such.
Well, I don't really care whether you believe me as I have about .01% chance of still winning this game. Just have a natural dislike for getting lynched :|
On October 31 2016 18:33 Koshi wrote: Can you pinkie promise you are not SK? + Do you thnk there is an SK in the game?
If so. Who?
I am not an SK. I have no idea. I have barely paid attention to the game ever since figuring my chances of winning are .1%, which happened like 4 days ago or something
On October 31 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote: Well. I think the chance on an SK are high and we need to get rid of him. Maybe DI is SK?
I dunno, DI hasn't really felt scummy to me. He hates playing as mafia and with the team we know so far that seems unlikely. Most likely the last people that need offing are in kurumi/tube.
On October 31 2016 19:59 Koshi wrote: If mafia has any honour in their body they shoot 2 within ritoky/Artanis/DI. Probably the 2 that aren't mafia. If they fail to kill the SK, we will spend 100% of tomorrow lynching the SK.
If mafia shoots within Koshi/WoS/Sicklucker we lynch mafia.
Sweet deal if you ask me.
I am very curious how you plan on distinguishing between scum and an sk that may or may not even be in the game.
Of course I will, it's against my best interests as you people seem to think I can be an sk. It doesn't make any sense to avoid people who are likely mafia on an sk witch hunt when my role already included killing some players that for all I know could be town.
On October 31 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course I will, it's against my best interests as you people seem to think I can be an sk. It doesn't make any sense to avoid people who are likely mafia on an sk witch hunt when my role already included killing some players that for all I know could be town.
You claim you can't win this game at all. So how is it against YOUR best interest that town doesn't try to find an SK. You lose anyway right?
Or is that 0.1% chance suddenly way higher?
Chances are high that there is 6 antitown in this game, that is just proper balance. 5 makes less sense. But due to LT and Exo flipping it is very likely there is an SK in the game + 5 mafia. Or it is 4 mafia 1 sk, and we are looking really good atm.
So yes, we should consider lynching the SK because he probably has as much kp as the mafia team on his own. Or close to it. Lynching SK tomorrow actually makes it more likely for town to win than lynching mafia. And it's not that we are lynching townies to find the SK, we are lynching in the PoE pool but want to have a good chance to kill either SK or mafia.
I still don't like getting lynched. I rather get endgamed. It's stupid but that's how it is.
On October 31 2016 18:33 Koshi wrote: Can you pinkie promise you are not SK? + Do you thnk there is an SK in the game?
If so. Who?
I am not an SK. I have no idea. I have barely paid attention to the game ever since figuring my chances of winning are .1%, which happened like 4 days ago or something
On October 31 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote: Well. I think the chance on an SK are high and we need to get rid of him. Maybe DI is SK?
I dunno, DI hasn't really felt scummy to me. He hates playing as mafia and with the team we know so far that seems unlikely. Most likely the last people that need offing are in kurumi/tube.
This feels like you are pushing an agenda btw.
Except the post afterwards I already rescind and note how DI would make sense as mafia?
On October 31 2016 20:40 Koshi wrote: You haven't read the thread but you can name 2 people who need to die. Also, since ritoky claimed to be town after all, what is your read on him now? Last time you said he wasn't town because he wasn't invested, but also not mafia, aka 3p. And now?
I have read the thread. I just have barely used my brainpower on it.
Since ritoky unclaimed 3p, if anyone is sk it's him. It kinda makes sense since apparently he did massive damage to exo (I can only deal 15 at most if the person I'm targetting is at <33% hp) and he still apparently has high hp.
On October 31 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course I will, it's against my best interests as you people seem to think I can be an sk. It doesn't make any sense to avoid people who are likely mafia on an sk witch hunt when my role already included killing some players that for all I know could be town.
You claim you can't win this game at all. So how is it against YOUR best interest that town doesn't try to find an SK. You lose anyway right?
Or is that 0.1% chance suddenly way higher?
Chances are high that there is 6 antitown in this game, that is just proper balance. 5 makes less sense. But due to LT and Exo flipping it is very likely there is an SK in the game + 5 mafia. Or it is 4 mafia 1 sk, and we are looking really good atm.
So yes, we should consider lynching the SK because he probably has as much kp as the mafia team on his own. Or close to it. Lynching SK tomorrow actually makes it more likely for town to win than lynching mafia. And it's not that we are lynching townies to find the SK, we are lynching in the PoE pool but want to have a good chance to kill either SK or mafia.
I still don't like getting lynched. I rather get endgamed. It's stupid but that's how it is.
Sure. Nobody likes to be lynched, but your streak is not getting lynched as town. And that wont be broken. I take it you are lynched as mafia before?
Also, "I don't like to be lynched so don't lynch me" is like the worst defense ever.
I have never been lynched as 3p before either. You asked me for my motivation and that's it, take it or leave it.
On October 31 2016 18:33 Koshi wrote: Can you pinkie promise you are not SK? + Do you thnk there is an SK in the game?
If so. Who?
I am not an SK. I have no idea. I have barely paid attention to the game ever since figuring my chances of winning are .1%, which happened like 4 days ago or something
On October 31 2016 19:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 31 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote: Well. I think the chance on an SK are high and we need to get rid of him. Maybe DI is SK?
I dunno, DI hasn't really felt scummy to me. He hates playing as mafia and with the team we know so far that seems unlikely. Most likely the last people that need offing are in kurumi/tube.
This feels like you are pushing an agenda btw.
Except the post afterwards I already rescind and note how DI would make sense as mafia?
Yes I know, that is not the point.
Point is you don't know enough to figure out there is likely an SK and dodge my question completely. But when asked who we should lynch you name 3 people who are mafia.
On October 31 2016 18:33 Koshi wrote: Can you pinkie promise you are not SK? + Do you thnk there is an SK in the game?
If so. Who?
I am not an SK. I have no idea. I have barely paid attention to the game ever since figuring my chances of winning are .1%, which happened like 4 days ago or something
On October 31 2016 19:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 31 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote: Well. I think the chance on an SK are high and we need to get rid of him. Maybe DI is SK?
I dunno, DI hasn't really felt scummy to me. He hates playing as mafia and with the team we know so far that seems unlikely. Most likely the last people that need offing are in kurumi/tube.
This feels like you are pushing an agenda btw.
Except the post afterwards I already rescind and note how DI would make sense as mafia?
Yes I know, that is not the point.
Point is you don't know enough to figure out there is likely an SK and dodge my question completely. But when asked who we should lynch you name 3 people who are mafia.
Can you rephrase?
I find it suspicious you dodge my question about the SK (pretending there is none and we shouldn't worry about it, using not paying attention as an excuse) but when asked about who we should lynch, you name 3 people.
I feel there is a disconnect.
I named people I think are likely mafia. I am not convinced there is an SK.
On October 31 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course I will, it's against my best interests as you people seem to think I can be an sk. It doesn't make any sense to avoid people who are likely mafia on an sk witch hunt when my role already included killing some players that for all I know could be town.
You claim you can't win this game at all. So how is it against YOUR best interest that town doesn't try to find an SK. You lose anyway right?
Or is that 0.1% chance suddenly way higher?
Chances are high that there is 6 antitown in this game, that is just proper balance. 5 makes less sense. But due to LT and Exo flipping it is very likely there is an SK in the game + 5 mafia. Or it is 4 mafia 1 sk, and we are looking really good atm.
So yes, we should consider lynching the SK because he probably has as much kp as the mafia team on his own. Or close to it. Lynching SK tomorrow actually makes it more likely for town to win than lynching mafia. And it's not that we are lynching townies to find the SK, we are lynching in the PoE pool but want to have a good chance to kill either SK or mafia.
I still don't like getting lynched. I rather get endgamed. It's stupid but that's how it is.
do you know how sk that sounds?
If you think this is how I would play an sk and you think I'd be creative enough to make up all the shit I've posted.. Impressed would be the nice way of putting it.
On October 31 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course I will, it's against my best interests as you people seem to think I can be an sk. It doesn't make any sense to avoid people who are likely mafia on an sk witch hunt when my role already included killing some players that for all I know could be town.
You claim you can't win this game at all. So how is it against YOUR best interest that town doesn't try to find an SK. You lose anyway right?
Or is that 0.1% chance suddenly way higher?
Chances are high that there is 6 antitown in this game, that is just proper balance. 5 makes less sense. But due to LT and Exo flipping it is very likely there is an SK in the game + 5 mafia. Or it is 4 mafia 1 sk, and we are looking really good atm.
So yes, we should consider lynching the SK because he probably has as much kp as the mafia team on his own. Or close to it. Lynching SK tomorrow actually makes it more likely for town to win than lynching mafia. And it's not that we are lynching townies to find the SK, we are lynching in the PoE pool but want to have a good chance to kill either SK or mafia.
I still don't like getting lynched. I rather get endgamed. It's stupid but that's how it is.
do you know how sk that sounds?
If you think this is how I would play an sk and you think I'd be creative enough to make up all the shit I've posted.. Impressed would be the nice way of putting it.
I've read the flair in your games. You're creative enough.
To imagine a third party with 7 wincons which I'd claim after someone already claimed 3rd party while under no pressure and coming up with elaborate ways in which it'd work where some I can claim and some I can't which can all potentially be proven wrong if I'm lying by the other person who claimed 3rd party?
On October 31 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course I will, it's against my best interests as you people seem to think I can be an sk. It doesn't make any sense to avoid people who are likely mafia on an sk witch hunt when my role already included killing some players that for all I know could be town.
You claim you can't win this game at all. So how is it against YOUR best interest that town doesn't try to find an SK. You lose anyway right?
Or is that 0.1% chance suddenly way higher?
Chances are high that there is 6 antitown in this game, that is just proper balance. 5 makes less sense. But due to LT and Exo flipping it is very likely there is an SK in the game + 5 mafia. Or it is 4 mafia 1 sk, and we are looking really good atm.
So yes, we should consider lynching the SK because he probably has as much kp as the mafia team on his own. Or close to it. Lynching SK tomorrow actually makes it more likely for town to win than lynching mafia. And it's not that we are lynching townies to find the SK, we are lynching in the PoE pool but want to have a good chance to kill either SK or mafia.
I still don't like getting lynched. I rather get endgamed. It's stupid but that's how it is.
do you know how sk that sounds?
If you think this is how I would play an sk and you think I'd be creative enough to make up all the shit I've posted.. Impressed would be the nice way of putting it.
i think were just gonna lynch mafia. so we should use are other useless attacks to get thirs party low incase they backstab us without actually killing them. as a person with a 0% chance to win why do you care? like you obviously lied about that just claim survivor or something
Not 0%, just very low. Still going to try to win even though it's very unlikely.
Welp, that's the last bit of hope gone. Feel free to lynch me if you want. Prob wouldn't even survive the last wincon I have which is completely reliant on another role. Ffff
I killed sicklucker with my ability btw. Unfortunately my other wincon that I needed with it got voided when iamp died without me dealing any damage to him.
You can lynch me but I only have 30hp left. Seems silly to me.
On November 06 2016 06:12 disformation wrote: also wos didnt actually die, because koshi died before he could deal the 20 dmg to wos, so wos would have lived. cause lynch happens b4 actions...
EPT
if you guys are ok with me playing and occasionally talking to Tina about stuff (and using that like a boss to solve the game ez) I'll /replace.
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