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silentwarrior
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silentwarrior
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But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote: This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game ##vote Race Bannon See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC | ||
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silentwarrior
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Kelsier on the other hand said outright that he could post but wouldn't because nothing "reasonable had been posted". But he dosen't post anything at all and says he will even wait. To me that seems a lot more suspicous than posting nonsense. Remember, we are here to lynch mafia not people we don't like. That makes my vote much better than Kelsier. Not to mention it puts pressure on him to not just "see us in a few days" but actually post during this time. Also, I never said that I wouldn't vote for Race given reason(even said I had no problem with Kelsier voting for him). I didn't vote for Kelsier because he didn't post, I voted for him because he could post but said he wouldn't and instead wait to see what others posted. You have to agree that's kind of suspicous, right? | ||
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On August 01 2016 07:45 scott31337 wrote: This seems reasonable for a Day 1 post. Has your opinion changed at all? My opinion hasn't changed that much. My problem with Kelsier wasn't that he voted against Race or even that he didn't contribute. Rather, it was that he wanted others to post more constructive stuff but he himself was going to not post even though he could. That to me struck as very strange. Granted, it was the first few post and I did state that my vote on him was mainly to pressure him to post. But reading his latest posts he dosen't still dosen't seem to want to contribute, but still blames others for this. Also, do you mean my post is reasonable or Kelsier? | ||
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Stutters695: I'm pretty sure stutters is mafia. He begins with basically calling out Race and wanting to lynch him. A little too easy tbh, but still nothing suspect about that since Race was spamming hard at that point. But then, basically the only thing he does is ask others opinions and adding nothing himself. He then says he would prefer to lynch a lurker, and if not a lurker then grack, for which his reasoning is only 2 sentences. Then goes on to agree with other people and asking questions adding nothing himself. But then, contrary to his position before on lynching a lurker, minutes after celestial votes for me he places his vote on me as well. At this point he hasn't said a word about me at all and the only thing he says about the vote is "this guy gets it" about celestials vote on me. He basically only votes for me because celestials does. That's what it looks like, because he gave no indication that he thought I was mafia before. Certainly not enough to warrant a vote on me. You guys should really take a look at his filter. Kelsier: I don't know what to think about him anymore. My first post about him was partly to get him to actually post more so I could get a better read on him. At that time, he didn't want to post because there wasn't anything "good" in thread yet. But then, when thread gets some content he comes in and basically says this game is "terrible" and still won't post anything at all about his views about the game. What possible reason was there to not post then? Or after, because he still hasn't said anthing for a while. Right now I'm leaning scum on him. Celestial: I liked his big post. I obviously disagree with him about me but his post definetly shows that he is out to analyze us and hunt mafia. I agree with him on some stuff there. But I think he confuses opinions he dosen't like being equal to mafia. He does this to me, since his main reason against me is that he disagrees with me and that is the reason he votes to lynch me. He also gives people towncred for being against me for the same reason. I'm still leaning town on him though. Scott/Race: On Race actions, I admit I was wrong. I thought it was just early game posting to get people to talk. But he was just a spammer. On scott however I think he is town. His entry post to me seems very town-like. He immedietly accuses 4 people of scum. To me, mafia are more careful and I can't see them coming in and doing that during first posts. Granted, you can fake being careless, but what reason would mafia have to get on 4 people's bad side for calling them mafia? He is townlean for me. beentheredonethat: This guy seems like a newbie to me. People have mentioned his post about lynching Race before replacement, but I don't think it was really that alignment indictive honestly. He seems generally a little clumsy in his posts. His vote on Lunatic didn't have that much content. Mostly it was meta and the fact that lunatic wasn't pushing anyone. He is null to me right now. I will post more about the rest of the players too, but wanted to get this out here first. ##Unvote ##Vote: Stutters695 | ||
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silentwarrior
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On August 02 2016 06:34 Stutters695 wrote: I was fine with a plynch, now I'll vote for one of silent/mderg(pending a re-read of his filter). Silent's entire comeback post is a summary except his "case" on me. His "case" shows either a complete lack of following the thread (it was incredibly obvious my vote was for a plynch, as well as C's) or, more maliciously, intentional misrepresentation. Either way, that isn't going to cut it after disappearing for so long. How was your vote on me a policy lynch? For that matter, how am I supposed to know it's a policy lynch when you write no arguments or anything to back up your vote? Celestial posted arguments and thouthts about me before voting, even if I disagree about them. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:04 Stutters695 wrote: Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch. As I said, he had made other arguments about me before. But you haven't even mentioned me before the vote, and you just quote Celestial vote just 4 minutes after he made it. So in 4 minutes you went from never mentioning me to voting for me? Also, please explain how it is a policy lynch. On what basis do you lynch me on? You still haven't said that other than saying it's a policy lynch. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:16 -Celestial- wrote: If we leave aside the fact I think you're kinda scummy...honestly you have a bit of a point that he's not really said much about you. In a normal game I'd say it was very weird but given the rock-bottom activity level its significantly harder to read. That being said I don't think its out of line where he said about lynching a lurker and then voted you. You weren't in thread for ages at that point. You were lurking. After throwing out a few scummy posts throwing probably-undeserved shade on KSC. It wasn't a great look for you. That's not the thing that sticks out about the vote. It's that he dosen't mention me at all, then without much explanation votes for me, quoted your vote only 4 minutes after you posted it. Didn't say anything at all himself. Also, you can't still think it's still undeserved shade at KSC? He was in thread not too long ago and still didn't contribute. I'd say some of that shade is pretty deserved by now. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote: It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads. 1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me. 2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them. 3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg. 1) Explain 2) He did say "So I'm going to look at who voted for him and when and I think we'll find mafia there." and then mentioned the four people my name. What else is that? 3) You just said one of my townreads showed I had little attention, now you say they have are good? Also, you are using meta for yourself on me. It dosen't work like that. | ||
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On August 02 2016 07:36 -Celestial- wrote: If you think I'm scum, shenanie onto me right now. Because this game is silly as hell. Incidentally, mderg just transferred the kill vote to himself I think. Though an updated count would be great to confirm. Rules say most recent, so he was set from before his change. I think im the one that's set now. Im gonna vote mderg for that reason. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mderg | ||
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silentwarrior
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##Unvote ##Vote: Mderg | ||
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On August 02 2016 13:08 -Celestial- wrote: The fact your voting patterns match, however, is an actual thing that happened. ...I'm really going to bed now. Its ten past five in the morning. -_- 1st vote of Grack on Kelsier was obv not serious. 2nd vote I'll grant you we both had same person 3rd was mostly survival for me. I thought you knew better than this. Are you really accusing us of mafia for this? | ||
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silentwarrior
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On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote: And thats about it I guess. Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4. Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution. Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while. I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. Did you just put everyone that voted for Mderg as red? If so, then first where is scott? Second, explain why voting for mderg means you are scum, especially my vote since I only voted to not get lynched myself. If that's not how you picked the reds then I want an explanation on why, because you haven't given one. | ||
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Rels: At the start I got a town feeling from him. His push on mderg was imo credible and I don't think he should be faulted that it resulted in mislynch. Mderg looked scum there. But then he says he likes a list where he is listed as mafia. Not sure if he just missed it or simply liked the list without even reading it, but it is kind of strange. Especially since he is listed as the first mafia. For now he is null to me, and I think I need more to make a better assesment. Moosy: His first page in filter amounts to basically nothing. No reads or lynch targets or anything on a whole page. His 3rd post he has basically not much content of his own. Only thing of worth is saying he agrees with scott. He then looks at votepattern, sees me and grack have voted for same person, and without looking into it much just says "yep, these 2 are mafia". He didn't even look at timing or reasoning of those votes at all. He then basically only posts fluff and asks others what they think. Actually, that's 90% of all his posts. Strange to think someone with 3 pages in filter has so little actual content. He is scum lean for me. J Roc: His voting last night seem to just be bad internet. He said before that he didn't want to lynch mderg, so that explains his last minute switch. He also explained his vote to scott, and even if I disagree with his reasoning it there was nothing scummy about it. He is townlean for me right now. Skynx: He starts out with calling out race and btdt for his post on lynching race. He then has a really good response to celestials intro post and dosent just fawn all over him (like lunatic) but disagrees on some points. He then tries to get people to leave scotts vote, which is good since I agree with it, but also because he recognized that some of those votes where from RB time here. But then he flips a little on stutters, saying first he is scum, then one of 3 townies, then one of 4 scum, which seemed very odd to me. He also says my defense was lackluster in a post I didn't make, and with no other thoughts on the matter. He also goes back on stutters again and calls him town again. He also posted that list which had almost no thought in it, only says people are scum because they voted for mderg, which is strange logic. He does however see the stutters/celestial buddying up, which speaks to his credit. All in all he is null for me. Grack: He was the first to point out that even though people might disagree with my assesment on KSC, that dosen´t necesarily mean im mafia. He also points out I put myself in spotlight and made the first serious post. He did flip around on votes between stutter, lunatic and mderg, which was kind of strange to me. But he did post suspicons on both lunatic and stutters beforehand. I did like his defense against stutters case as well. Considering everything, he is townlean for me. Also gonna posta a seperate post for lunatic. | ||
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silentwarrior
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Lunatic started of the game with saying he think Race was town for his excesive posting. But when Grack said the same thing he says "I don't know how you came to that conclusion" and says it's an easy way to get town points. But Lunatic literally did the same thing 4 posts before.: On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote: I don't know how you came to that conclusion but since he is being replaced can you please elaborate on this read. Also this is a good way to get town cred now that he is getting replaced. He also says he dosen't want to post a lot because apparently in another game that ticked people off. That is a huge red flag for me. I don't think anyone would not want someone to post a lot. He says he will cutdown posting for that reason. On August 01 2016 05:32 Lunaticman wrote: Well I don't really know what to make of that tbh, but it sounds super fishy? I think I had to change a few things about my playstyle here also. I ticked of a lot of the other townies last game because of my excessive posting. So guess I will try to cutback a bit on the posting but I just hope we get some discussions going. At that point he had done no analyzing or contributed in the slightest. He then attacks KSC in what can only be desribed as an easy way to get town points. He states that KSC went back on his word, even though he did no such thing and puts words in his mouth. He basically tries to make a case out of nothing. On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote: So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like: "hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town". It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh. When celestial comes in with his big post he becomes his no:1 fanboy and basically tries his best at buddying up with him. The following post is nothing but licking celestials boot. On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote: First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it! Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm. Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol. Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it. Be back in a couple of hours from work. Also, he says he cant trust Grac here: On August 01 2016 04:36 Lunaticman wrote: It feels like you are also sceptical of Grac, I don't know if I will be able to trust him. Also I think he is playing similar to last game so far. I don't know if that is good or bad. The big difference is that he is contributing "more" atm so that should indicate he is towny? But just a few posts after he calls him town after his skepticism isn't shared by skynx. He then goes back on his word twice on grack in one post. He says he thinks he is probably town but will "wait and see". Basically not wanting to take a stance at all and keeping his options open, very scumlike. On August 01 2016 18:40 Lunaticman wrote: That's what I did I must say I think he played brilliantly last game so of course I put him under the spotlight. I think he is probably town since it feels like he's intention is to solve the game atm. But he already fooled me once so we will have to wait and see I suppose. He then puts his vote on Rels, who was still inactive at that point. He was probably the easiest vote seeing as he was inactive. No one would even think twice about it, not even rels. After that he goes on to say that rels should accept resposibility for mislynching mderg, which makes no sense. Mderg was honestly acting scummy, and having mislynched someone obv don't make you mafia. Also, now that some of the thread have moved against Grac, he flips again from previous position and calls grac scummy. To me all this points that Lunatic is Mafia. | ||
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silentwarrior
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Oh, and since it is day now. ##Vote Lunaticman | ||
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It's Lunaticman btw, not sure if they count it if it's misspelled. | ||
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On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote: I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now. What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott? No, only lynch for me is lunatic. Also, claiming vig is the best thing for town right now. We get a confirmed town and we also might have a doctor, who will most likely protect Rels now. This is a very good position for town right now. | ||
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On August 05 2016 03:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Wow thnx man bursting my bubble like that. I was so happy that someone wanted to engage me in questions and conversation. :c You can't enage with someone who basically does nothing but all game. Think asking other people about what they think of you is your no:1 accomplishment. Still, you are doing better than KSC I guess... | ||
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On August 05 2016 03:41 silentwarrior wrote: You can't enage with someone who basically does nothing but all game. Think asking other people about what they think of you is your no:1 accomplishment. Still, you are doing better than KSC I guess... EBWOP remove "but" | ||
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On August 05 2016 04:17 Skynx wrote: See with the bolded this is what triggers me so much ever since mderg got lynched. This is like such a lazy reasoning I just hate it. You were a policy lynch, you post constructive stuff, make sense and you don't get lynched D1 thats super easy. If you are getting plynched over an also super afk KSC, a 0 posts til 1.5 hours b4 eod Rels you have a problem. Rels came in literally 1.5 hours before lynch, he just posted stuff, people were off him. You do the same' you were active before so you shouldn't feel too pressured about people voting you out of policy, you just point this out. But oh well why should I, just vote for this other guy and I have a perfect reasoning to vote him cuz I'm getting lynched lolz. Anyway yeah, there is mafia on mderg, town rarely goes on a completely off road on a fairly active and making sense guy when there are better candidates. Someone led them on mderg lynch and thats why I was still suspicious of Rels even post claim. I don't really give claims that much credit but that might be just me + Show Spoiler + hi sicklucker, hi emp, hi kruppe  Are you an idiot? The lynch against me had 4 votes, so did the one against mderg. Without me voting for him I would have been lynched. No matter how town I read someone else, I can never be sure of anyones alignment but my own, so I take myself over mderg any day. You are really stupid if you don't understand this. | ||
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On August 05 2016 02:12 -Celestial- wrote: Just enough time to comment now that I've read it: silent's case is good. Some of the same points I found just above. Will vote Lunatic for now. On a side note: I think if we lynch Lunatic: - if he flips scum we lynch scott (on the basis of all the defending, despite the scumminess) - if he flips town we have to rethink, but I'll probably be back on viewing silent very suspiciously ##Vote: Lunaticman Why would I be suspicous if the Lunatic vote fails? Becuse I was wrong? You were wrong on Grack as well, should we all view you being suspicous because of that? | ||
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On August 05 2016 05:45 Skynx wrote: Well why do you play mafia at all if you can't post your opinions and let people townread you off of that? All you did this game: Stfu vote RB. Bandwagon mderg to save yourself. Vote someone thats afk. Taking no risks I see. There is no one townreading you, you earned no towncredit at all this game but for some reason people don't wanna lynch you. I guess we will see. Also fuck you you fucking fuck. We all have our opinions, you can call someone bad fine if you insult them for not thinking the same way you do thats what we call being a dickhead. Fine, I'm sorry I called you an idiot. That was rude of me. But I did not misrepresent you as you are doing to me. I have had solid posts about my reads and analysis. I have seriosly pushed 2 people, which you convenietly don't mention, and I have done so on actual analysis not the fact that somoene in mafia don't want to die. I have taken big risks all this game, which is probably why haven't had as many townreads. | ||
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Fuck this. I say we vote for KSL. Whose with me? | ||
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On August 05 2016 06:57 Lunaticman wrote: Meh this game is shew shew train/afk shennaning. I just don't get how someone that's away because of working gets pushed over someone that says "theres no reason for me to post". Come on town I expected more! If you are town, you should post as much as possible, to show us your views. | ||
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On August 05 2016 07:00 Rels wrote: OK let's get rid of KSC ##Vote KSC Let's do it. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC | ||
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On August 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote: I also disagree with this. If he's really vet then that is pretty cool. Better him than someone townier. Before we didn't know if there was a veteran or medic. But know, both we and mafia know it. And you claimed as blue, dont you see how this is problematic for us now? Also, he could have been a pretty big help as well in the game. | ||
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On August 05 2016 07:13 KelsierSC wrote: I hardly "fucked" this game as you only decided to randomly switch onto me 10 minutes ago. But ok. Thanks for letting the mafia know we have a vet and not medic. Maybe if you were atleast a little active this wouldn't have happened. So yes, you fucked us in that regard. | ||
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On August 05 2016 07:14 -Celestial- wrote: I'd also note that with the Moosy vote we still have the lynch on Lunatic anyway. So if we DO want to try to get shenanies pushed along, silent, then we need to do it NOW and hope more people come along that can flip their votes. Yes, we are 5 here now, so we could move to another wagon and still win vote. But the only one I'm willing to change to now is Moosy, so will you guys back me on that? I don't think either scott or btdt is scum. | ||
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On August 05 2016 07:09 Lunaticman wrote: Well if I told you I was the medic would you believe me? Either way a blue role would have put in much more effort in the game. This is the only thing making me doubt Lunatics blue claim. Plus the fact that he was ready to accept his fate before, knowing he could claim. Shit, I'm not sure of anything right now, but we do have one other lynch, and mafia is obviosly either Lunatic or KSC, so we will atleast get one of them. | ||
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On August 05 2016 08:16 KelsierSC wrote: Gone through a lot of stuff recently. I just wanted to do things that used to make me happy. Unfortunatley with my work and other circumstances I just can't commit to these games and get the same enjoyment. I'm sorry i upset So many of you. I wish you all the best in your future games which I regret I won't be part of. Thanks for the host shape. Well, I don't approve with you not participating, but it is sad that you are leaving. I hope you will atleast come back after game is done. Who knows, the result might give you a kick enough to want to play more? | ||
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On August 05 2016 08:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: Not to mention I've probably done more analysis than anyone else this game other than -Celestial- while you just sat on your ass. Good job Rels, really nice leading town like this. You have done analysis? Because I don't see much than a lot of short posts which never seem to have any analysis at all and is usually just fluff. | ||
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On August 05 2016 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Which makes this post absolute bullshit when you know something about my play. I already know the arguments you're gonna make about VCA and one thing you would know about me is that I always hold my vote until I know it'll be put to good use. And I've basically done a shit ton more than you this game when you've literally pushed Race Bannon and Stutters both of whom were easy town reads early game. bravo kid. Ehh, I never pushed Race Bannon, and I just pushed a all but confirmed mafia incase you didn't notice. What have you done? | ||
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On August 05 2016 08:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: Considering i was the first one to come up with a decent case that had a chance of nailing two scum people and had a correct case on btdt which coincidentally happens to be half the pushes here since Lunatic's rambling drifted off my radar and the disastrous first vote on Mderg, tell me what you did? Only being the first one to push and make a case on a confirmed mafia. | ||
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On August 04 2016 00:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: I honestly haven't taken any notice of Lunatic other than some rambling from early D1 so I'm going to have to re read him too. This is basically your only post on him after N1. | ||
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On August 06 2016 05:28 Skynx wrote: Logical reads don't seem to make sense at this point and people don't move by them anyway. So I'm just gona move by instinct. It tells me btdt has more chance flipping red compared to Luna/scott. uhh, you do know luna cc a confirmed blue right? | ||
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On August 06 2016 05:50 silentwarrior wrote: uhh, you do know luna cc a confirmed blue right? Which basically makes luna confirmed red | ||
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Second, I believe the lynch on D4 (D3 lynch will be lunatic no matter what) should be MoosyDoosy. First, he has absolutely nothing in terms of scum hunting. Most of his filter is filled with nothing of value at all. I honestly thought he was joking when he said he was the "sane Moosy". His D2 voting was really suspect as well. His timing was just too good. 30 min before deadline, just when we needed one more vote he shows up and changes vote to someone he town/null read on N1? Also, his whole voting pattern was really stupid, and he still thinks of it as a good thing. The only thing he did was set 2 townies up for mislynch, and if grack hadn't died he would probably have succeded. But tbh, this post isn't about him, if you want more I wrote about Moosy in my N1 post. Ok, so the main reason I post this is something some of you may not like, and will probably call me tinfoil for saying it. But it needs to be said. First, let me say that I have had suspicoin of this since N1, but have kept silent about it since I was more focused on lunatic at the time and couldn't afford to derail that. I have 3 people in my scumlist in descending order of "scuminess". Lunatic, Moosy and Celestial. The thing that drew me to celestial at first was the fact that he survived N1. It was so strange to be honest. If you compare Stutters and Celestial, he was the obvious person to kill, not stutters. The only reason I can see that stutters was killed was to cast suspicon on the people who were against him. This was primarily me and grack as well I think. The plan obviosly failed when Grac was killed as well, but before that mafia set things up in preparation for stutters death. First, Moosy along with Celestial pulled up that bullshit VCA. Moosy seems like he would go for that sort of thing, but celestial suprised me by actually saying he liked it. What's more, he completely ignored the explanations we had that supported our views, even when it was stutters saying them. Celestial has made the biggest posts with the most analysis, but he barely even bothered to even think about the voting pattern more than a passing "eh, seems alright". On August 03 2016 07:58 -Celestial- wrote: Lunaticman - Stuff early on seemed pretty town-based. He was doing the right things and didn't do anything that raised any series red flags. I didn't like the fawning over me too much to be honest. Felt like he was trying to buddy up and pocket me but eh. I feel like the push to lynch Rels whilst he was inactive was a total waste but based on the comment about how Rels dodged five town lynches by being inactive in a previous game its forgivable; and I don't think someone wanting to look to lynch inactive mafia is unreasonable given how horribly inactive this game was for a long time. I wasn't entirely on board with his feelings about RB and scott but I do understand where his opinion is coming from so that's alright. Voting Rels is NAI at that point. Post-flip list is alright (though I'm really never a fan of people including themselves in lists of town aligned people; anyone can do it and it comes across to me as a blatant attempt at a psychological manipulation tactic of "doesn't my name look good next to these townies?") but nothing special. I'm still not liking his feeling on Scott though. The stuff with Grac and Rels is alright; I don't think there absolutely HAS to be mafia between Rels/Grac but there almost certainly is. I disagree with his latest point on Rels, in fact I think the way Rels went about it (i.e. completely full-on) is one of the few saving graces for Rels. Townlean. Okay done. Just in time before the deadline. He also had a strong townlean on lunatic for no apparent reason. He did a filterdive of lunatic same time as me, and mentions some the things we now know makes lunatic scum. But he not only ignores some of those, he even makes excuses for them. Worse, he misses some of the huge red flags in lunatics filter, even though it was probably the shortest filter with the most scummy things. And then, when me and 3 others vote for lunatic he comes in and changes his mind? I'm sorry, I just don't believe that. We know mafia tried to bus Lunatic when it looked like he was dying. Also, in the same big post as quted above, he has the now confirmed townies (Rels, Grack, Kelsier, Silent) as mafia reads, while the ones that are more questionable much higher up. The only townie he has in town is stutters. But thing is, mafia knew he was gonna die that night, so ofcourse he was gonna be high on the list. I know most of you all see him as town, and it's no doubt that he has posted the most. But I just want to make sure we consider everything. I might be wrong on celestial, and I certainly won't lynch him before Moosy and Lunatic, but I would definetly consider it. | ||
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On August 06 2016 08:18 -Celestial- wrote: @silent: I would prefer you to lynch me before Moosy if you're going to to go through on that. Why? Because if Moosy were to flip town (which I'm eh on, but lets run with that) and you continue to push through on the lynch on me then I'd HAVE to defend myself because I think we'd be in MYLO and so town would lose if I flip town (which I will, but I'd say that as either alignment). I absolutely will not have the time or be able to do that to any great extent; I'll be on a bit, but not enough to defend in a MYLO situation. So town is guaranteed to lose under those circumstances. I'd like to avoid that. In contrast I don't actually have to defend myself if you decide to push me before then because we can afford one more mislynch. I might or might not, I dunno at the moment I'm really tired of this game honestly. Though it'll be a shame to lose my 100% survival rate. Right now Moosy is looking a lot more scummier than you are. So I'm going to push who I think is most scummy. But nothing is set in stone, D4 is a long way off, as is D5. | ||
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On August 06 2016 08:50 -Celestial- wrote: I am legitimately terrified here of a scenario in which someone gets lynched D4, turns out to be town, and I'm top scum D5. Because we just lose the game straight up. If I haven't counted wrong, it should be like this if we mislynch D4 D3: 5 town/3 mafia N3: 5/2 D4: 4/2 N4: 3/2 D5: 2/2 Which means we won't even be in D5 if we lynch moosy D4 and he flips town. | ||
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On August 06 2016 17:02 Lunaticman wrote: Is it my fault that KSC played like an idiot. I was doing what I thought was best for town. He even claimed when told not to by the majority of the players. It almost felt like he was trying to get the vigilante to shoot him. Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day. | ||
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On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote: Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day. Not that I believe for one second that you are town. | ||
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On August 09 2016 03:43 Skynx wrote: because town don't just lynch themselves out of nothingness usually. There is someone pushing for it, always. No mafia on mderg train is impossible, vitrually impossible. Focusing on those targets is the right thing to do. Me focusing you while rels was vigi with no cc was bad but I'm trying to improve on that front. I'm historicly not good at reacting to claims, its evident at all my games. Please read my point in post above on how mafia Skynx never votes for Lunatic in that case. Putting yourself on the line is typical scum behaviour right? huehuehue Moosy only pushed Grack all game. Lunatic pushed no one. I didn't even check their filter but I'm sure I can find 5 people they were suspiciously quiet about him and never seem think they are mafia. Moosy was always town. If he didn't got modkilled we would never ever find him and this would be gg. He made sense with his points and analysis. Me townreading him makes me scum is like... I don't even know how to describe it. It's just bad. No one knows who town is. Mislycnhes can happen, easily. Yes, there might be mafia among them, but look at who voted for mderg D1. Me, scott, rels and grack. 2 have been proven town, im really townie and scott pretty town as well. You wanted them all lynched, when all have been proven to be town or townread by most. Moose might have been town for you, but not for me. I tagged him as early as N1 and wanted him for D4 lynch after lunatic. Maybe you can't find scum, but others can. Also, don't attack btdt for his nationality, that's a really low blow. | ||
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On August 09 2016 05:23 silentwarrior wrote: No one knows who town is. Mislycnhes can happen, easily. Yes, there might be mafia among them, but look at who voted for mderg D1. Me, scott, rels and grack. 2 have been proven town, im really townie and scott pretty town as well. You wanted them all lynched, when all have been proven to be town or townread by most. Moose might have been town for you, but not for me. I tagged him as early as N1 and wanted him for D4 lynch after lunatic. Maybe you can't find scum, but others can. Also, don't attack btdt for his nationality, that's a really low blow. EBWOP: Also, about the whole vote on lunatic. You gained no towncred for it, but you tried to. Why else would you switch your vote when we already had like 5 votes on him already? Just because something didn't go as intended dosen't mean the intention wasn't there. | ||
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On August 09 2016 10:36 -Celestial- wrote: Direct question here: BTDT and silent....in light of all of the above garbage, my dissections of scott's filter and the outright lies he's just been peddling...is scott still hard town for you? Because if he is I'm done with this game. This is goddamn stupid. The biggest reason he was town for me was his intro and the fact that Lunatic voted for him. But didn't notice before that lunatic already had 6 votes on him at that point. He has at the very least gone down far from being hard town. May want to investigate more on him. | ||
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1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia 2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him 3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread. I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh. Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about. | ||
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On August 10 2016 03:30 J Roc wrote: Number 2 is most likely. First off most people dont read dead peoples filters. 1 why would that matter? If the most town people were read scum correctly scum would kill them because they appeared town. Most people dont look at who someone was scum reading. 3 again who cares most people dont check who people were scum reading when they die. First rule for newbie mafia, kill the people who are correct and will be pushsing you. People shouldnt try to read wifom into the nk. The fact skynx was killed doesnt change the fact that scott is scummy anyway. Skynx scum reading scott is also a point against scott but not a big one. It def isnt a point for scott to be town read. People do check dead peoples reads, that even happened in this game. 1 would matter a lot. For example I am seen as pretty town since, but can easily be wrong about the last mafia which is why I wasn't killed last night. I might have townread last mafia, in which case me living helps him more than dying. You just used wifom about nk against scott, but say it dosen't matter? All I was trying to do by that post was show that nk could be done for multiple reasons. It was posted in response to you saying nk is a point against scott, which I think it's not. | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:18 beentheredonethat wrote: Im im the hospital. Daughter had accident. I concede the game im last scum. Hope your daughters okay. On another note, well played as mafia. You had basically everyone reading you as town and would probably have won the game. | ||
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On August 10 2016 07:08 -Celestial- wrote: Yup; one thing I picked up from live games in years gone by was basically along the lines of "wrong does not necessarily equal mafia". I tended to find people would always get hung up on people making wrong reads, especially in face-to-face sessions. Rather than thinking about why they were making that read and whether it was for garbage reasons. I was going to post that earlier in big letters but kinda felt that if I posted something so blatant people would think I was trying to wriggle out of being accused in a crappy way. Then again I wish that someone, ANYONE, who had tried to pick me for scum had actually tried to pick a hole in my arguments anywhere rather than just going "yep, scum". There was a reason I tried to provide a basis for all my reads for people to evaluate.  This is suprising to read since the biggest reason I didn't like you in the game was because you went after people you disagreed with or who had done a mislynch or the like. I even said so in-game several times. | ||
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On August 10 2016 19:05 Lunaticman wrote: I just want to say that I got kinda pissed that Moosy went afk and got modkilled. I think BT played beautiful and would have won unless he had to go to the hospital. Had Moosy not got modkilled it is very possible mafia would have won day 4. So tbh this was a moral victory for mafia but gg. Btdt would probably have won, but Moosy would probably have been lynched D4 anyway. He was my biggest scumread by a big margin at that point. Also, find it funny you wanted me modkilled in obv when I did nothing wrong. | ||
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On August 10 2016 22:02 Lunaticman wrote: It's because the town gained information from a mod. It had nothing to do with you per say. Yeah, but I didn't do anything wrong, mods did. It dosen't make sense to punish me then. Also, Moosy should actually have been modkilled D1, but mods went easy on him. It was his own fault he got modkilled. | ||
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On August 11 2016 05:14 Skynx wrote: What was your incident I must have missed it. I specifically asked pre-game: it is warning on 1st no-vote, modkill on second. Mods did nothing wrong here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=62#891 Basically I asked a question to mods about KSC, and they answered in a way that makes me sound town. | ||
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