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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 25 2016 17:16 GMT
#2341
So might this be the reason Kruppe cleared SL?

"If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen"

I wish he just said who he targeted in plain text, can someone figure that out since if he targeted a mafia there would not have been a nk?
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 25 2016 17:18 GMT
#2342
He would have had the chance to check 2 people right?
Failure is not an option
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 25 2016 17:19 GMT
#2343
On July 26 2016 02:16 Lunaticman wrote:
So might this be the reason Kruppe cleared SL?

"If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen"

I wish he just said who he targeted in plain text, can someone figure that out since if he targeted a mafia there would not have been a nk?

Yes if he targeted the mafia carrying the kill there would not have been a NK. Only him though. If he targeted a mafia that was not carrying the kill, there would have been a NK anyway.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 25 2016 17:21 GMT
#2344
Day recaps colored with flips

Please use it if you wanna check something. I corrected the mistakes I spoted on the official votecounts.

+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 final votecount] +

nnn_thekushmountains (6): Grackaroni, Palmar Grackaroni, koshi, Palmar, sicklucker, Dcwasabi, prphlz
DCWasabi(3): Rels, Skynx, emperorchampion, Lunaticman
Rels (1): Prplhz, emperorchampion, Palmar, Lunaticma Tumblewood, prphlz
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker
Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, Palmar
emperorchampion (1): Lunaticman, Tumblewood
Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains
Palmar(0): Lunaticman
Lunaticman(0): Skynx


+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 final votecount] +

Tumblewood (6): Rels, Koshi, emperorchampion, Grackaroni, prplhz Kruppe the Eel, Grackaroni, Koshi, Koshi, prplhz, EmperorChampion
Grackaroni(4): Tumblewood, Sickluker, Skynx, Lunaticman
Koshi (1): Skynx, DCwasabi
Skynx(1):Skynx
Lunaticman(1): Skynx
Rels (0): Tumblewood,sicklucker, DCWasabi, Sicklucker
DCWasabi (0): prplhz, Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Koshi
sicklucker (0): Grackaroni


Let's see what can be said about the votes.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2016 17:21 GMT
#2345
He said he targeted TW. And he was probably RB'ed.
I had a good night of sleep.
Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
July 25 2016 17:27 GMT
#2346
Day 3 Votecount

sicklucker (3): DCWasabi, Koshi, Rels
DCWasabi (2): prplhz, Sicklucker, Koshi
Lunaticman (2): Skynx, Grackaroni

Not voting (2): Lunaticman, emperorchampion

With 9 alive it takes 5 to insta-lynch. Deadline is in on Tuesday, Jul 26 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqEaAHqYkig Original Message From Tumblewood: dear god
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 25 2016 17:33 GMT
#2347
These votecounts are missing the timing actually. It's hard to deduce anything without that.
I didn't realize both DC and Skynx wasted their votes, it's worth to check why.
EC's hammer is not alignment indicative as said before because his vote didn't matter, but he's pretty townie on his own.
We can see Tumble trying to save himself by switching off me and to Grac.
I thought it was going to be more insightful than that =X
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 25 2016 17:35 GMT
#2348
On July 26 2016 02:21 Koshi wrote:
He said he targeted TW. And he was probably RB'ed.

I missed this somehow.
RB and JK are usually applies simultaneously though so him being RB doesn't matter.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 25 2016 17:35 GMT
#2349
On July 26 2016 02:18 Lunaticman wrote:
He would have had the chance to check 2 people right?

Tumblewood n1 whoknows n2

role blocked both times so it didn't even matter
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 25 2016 17:36 GMT
#2350
Will a jail keeping go through if the jail keeper is role blocked?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
July 25 2016 17:37 GMT
#2351
nope
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqEaAHqYkig Original Message From Tumblewood: dear god
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 25 2016 17:38 GMT
#2352
On July 24 2016 06:10 DCWasabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 06:08 Skynx wrote:
I'm lynching one of Koshi or Luna today. Tell me why they are town and try to convince yourself to what you're saying.

13 pages of filter is not a parameter in argument, google raynpelikoneet.


I'm changing my vote to Koshi.

I believe in you Skynx.

## unvote
##vote Koshi


I'll be back after the silent night.

DC had to go 50 minutes before EOD2.

Skynx actually voted Grac before EOD2, the official votecount still count him on both Grac on himself though. But he was on Grac at deadline.
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 25 2016 17:38 GMT
#2353
On July 26 2016 02:33 Rels wrote:
These votecounts are missing the timing actually. It's hard to deduce anything without that.
I didn't realize both DC and Skynx wasted their votes, it's worth to check why.
EC's hammer is not alignment indicative as said before because his vote didn't matter, but he's pretty townie on his own.
We can see Tumble trying to save himself by switching off me and to Grac.
I thought it was going to be more insightful than that =X


If we assume EC is towny, Skynx is really scummy.

Do we think there are 2 mafia on the grac lynch?

If so there should be another mafia between Skynx and SL.

The only reason I'm holding a bit back on SL is because of kruppes statements. It is the same reason I'm trusting you rels.

Failure is not an option
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 25 2016 17:42 GMT
#2354
On July 26 2016 02:38 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 02:33 Rels wrote:
These votecounts are missing the timing actually. It's hard to deduce anything without that.
I didn't realize both DC and Skynx wasted their votes, it's worth to check why.
EC's hammer is not alignment indicative as said before because his vote didn't matter, but he's pretty townie on his own.
We can see Tumble trying to save himself by switching off me and to Grac.
I thought it was going to be more insightful than that =X


If we assume EC is towny, Skynx is really scummy.

Do we think there are 2 mafia on the grac lynch?

If so there should be another mafia between Skynx and SL.

The only reason I'm holding a bit back on SL is because of kruppes statements. It is the same reason I'm trusting you rels.


Mafia usually spreads out so I would be surprised if 3 scum were on the Grac lynch. 2 is very possible.
What did Kruppe say about SL ?
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 25 2016 17:44 GMT
#2355
On July 26 2016 02:35 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 02:18 Lunaticman wrote:
He would have had the chance to check 2 people right?

Tumblewood n1 whoknows n2

role blocked both times so it didn't even matter


So he assumed tumble was mafia based on being roleblocked?

How did the mafia know kruppe was the jailkeeper?

I mean was there an obvious post somewhere that he was jailkeeper day1?
Failure is not an option
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 25 2016 17:45 GMT
#2356
On July 26 2016 01:43 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 00:09 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 25 2016 23:10 Skynx wrote:
Summary:

Koshi's lynces: haze/Luna
Sky's lynches: Luna/DCW
Rels' lynches: SL/Luna
SL's lynches: DCW/? (but never Luna)
Grack's lynches: Luna/SL
DCW's lynches: SL/?


I agree with Rels / Grack.


Let's see if I can think like Tumble. He strikes me like a cautious player, building an early rep by posting in the beginning and then making sure to contribute enough not to get noticed.

I think a player like that would spread the risk rather than try to run the town, a classic case of silent mafia. I also think they chose this strategy when they noticed a lot of the players were very vocal (see Skynx/lunaticman/Koshi). I honestly think most of the people talking are TvT when looking at day one.

I think tumble made sure never to put his vote on the same ticket as his teammates during day one and two unless otherwise directed and to try and spread suspicion on as many players as possible while making tumble look analytical. Of course I have no read on his meta at all but this is what it felt like.

By this reasoning I think there are a couple of names that stick out:

The mafia were unlucky that I started a lynch train on Kosi/Tumble that quickly gained traction (other players too). So they had to take some drastic measures:

They put DC on Rels to break up the obvious train and quick lynch together with Tumble. When Tumble started gaining traction, DC tried to save him by moving the train too Rels with Tumble (see 62# vote thread) When they noticed that Tumble and Rels had 3/3 they removed DC:s vote. Too Koshi to spread more distrust.

Right as the train went to 5, EC removed his vote on Tumble to avoid the auto lynch and DC never once moved his vote at this stage from "random" position (SL was also suspicious from my analysis in this part).

At this stage I gave tumble a life line in Grac when he was at 4 votes again. Here SL looks super scummy too but he also believed in Tumbles defense (remember there were 2 big camps going on).

At the final count, I think EC made a critical error in the group chat and went for the town cred by command of tumble.

In my opinion either EC or SL is scum those two should both be killed.

The last mafia can be anyone but my guess is DC because of the no vote (or he was simply afk but I dunno that doesn't make sense. I think they were following the orders of Tumble not to buss/train).


Either DC/SL or EC should be mafia for sure.

That would make the mafia team look like this:
EC/SL/Tumble
EC/DC/Tumble
DC/SL/Tumble



Out of these configurations I believe that EC and SL are the most probable.

Resons for bussing your own team mate:
This way at least one of them (EC) would gain immense town cred if successfully lynched. Because I think Tumble reasoned that he was going to die next round anyway.

Out of those three names SL was defiantly the one with me to push for the grac lynch hardest so
he feels like the best lynch with EC.

Kruppe however did mention he townread SL and if he is mafia he is sure fooling me.

There is only one thing about grac and koshi that is worrying me and they always vote the same. It's just a very wierd thing. If either of them flips the other should definatly die too. If I am completly wrong I apologize to town. Just so you don't tunnel to much I believe Koshi/Grac are to tight and haze/skynx has been really low activity.

Man have a cookie for reading that.

I just want to say that this is my favorite post from you because its the first time that I've been able to clearly follow your reasoning and get a glimpse of what your mindset is for what you think is going on in the game.

The difference between this post and a lot of your other posts is that you are actually specifying the actions that are determining your reads.
i.e.
"I think DC is mafia because he tried to move the lynch on to Rels to save Tumblewood"
"I Think EC is mafia because he unvoted to try to save Tumblewood and then came back at the end in an attempt to look townie."

In the past your suspicions have lacked specifics, such as "I think Koshi and Tumblewood are trying to create confusion and sow suspicion." I can't do anything with a post like that unless you make it clear what posts are making you think this is the case.

I don't what you were doing differently for this post, but if you keep making your suspicions specific I would be greatly pleased.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 25 2016 17:46 GMT
#2357
On July 26 2016 02:44 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 02:35 prplhz wrote:
On July 26 2016 02:18 Lunaticman wrote:
He would have had the chance to check 2 people right?

Tumblewood n1 whoknows n2

role blocked both times so it didn't even matter


So he assumed tumble was mafia based on being roleblocked?

How did the mafia know kruppe was the jailkeeper?

I mean was there an obvious post somewhere that he was jailkeeper day1?


I don't know, lets ask this guy.

On July 22 2016 06:01 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm going DC then, I wont lynch a roleclaimer day1.

http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 25 2016 17:48 GMT
#2358
On July 26 2016 02:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 02:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 26 2016 02:33 Rels wrote:
These votecounts are missing the timing actually. It's hard to deduce anything without that.
I didn't realize both DC and Skynx wasted their votes, it's worth to check why.
EC's hammer is not alignment indicative as said before because his vote didn't matter, but he's pretty townie on his own.
We can see Tumble trying to save himself by switching off me and to Grac.
I thought it was going to be more insightful than that =X


If we assume EC is towny, Skynx is really scummy.

Do we think there are 2 mafia on the grac lynch?

If so there should be another mafia between Skynx and SL.

The only reason I'm holding a bit back on SL is because of kruppes statements. It is the same reason I'm trusting you rels.


Mafia usually spreads out so I would be surprised if 3 scum were on the Grac lynch. 2 is very possible.
What did Kruppe say about SL ?


I'll have to reread his filter but i'm pretty sure he said rels is town if tumble is mafia.

and he said lunaticman and SL also are town.

I cant remember which players were in his initial "envelops" though.
Failure is not an option
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2016 17:51 GMT
#2359
ec and skynx

pff. it is possible I guess.
I had a good night of sleep.
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 25 2016 17:51 GMT
#2360
On July 26 2016 02:46 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 02:44 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 26 2016 02:35 prplhz wrote:
On July 26 2016 02:18 Lunaticman wrote:
He would have had the chance to check 2 people right?

Tumblewood n1 whoknows n2

role blocked both times so it didn't even matter


So he assumed tumble was mafia based on being roleblocked?

How did the mafia know kruppe was the jailkeeper?

I mean was there an obvious post somewhere that he was jailkeeper day1?


I don't know, lets ask this guy.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 06:01 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm going DC then, I wont lynch a roleclaimer day1.



Yes I know he did that, I was just thinking their might be something else in his cryptic posts.
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