On April 08 2016 08:41 rsoultin wrote: voy a atentar algo diferente...escribiré todo de mis escritos en español primero (probablemente entre "spoilers") para practicar el lenguaje y para reducir la cantidad de entradas en el thread
así que...
/in
translation: gonna try something new...i'll write all my posts in spanish first (probably in spoilers) to improve and to reduce the amount of posts in the thread
Hljómar vel
Jag fortfarande väntar på de kvällen vi levlar upp vår scumhunting i voice mafia o bara snackar på nordiska språk.
On April 08 2016 08:41 rsoultin wrote: voy a atentar algo diferente...escribiré todo de mis escritos en español primero (probablemente entre "spoilers") para practicar el lenguaje y para reducir la cantidad de entradas en el thread
así que...
/in
translation: gonna try something new...i'll write all my posts in spanish first (probably in spoilers) to improve and to reduce the amount of posts in the thread
Hljómar vel
Jag fortfarande väntar på de kvällen vi levlar upp vår scumhunting i voice mafia o bara snackar på nordiska språk.
Si no se puede usar corectamente el idioma formal, no se debe usarlo.
If you can't use formal language correctly, you shouldn't use it at all.
1) Once you are as good at speaking my language as I am at yours we can continue talking about this. 2) I don't even get what you think is wrong about my statement.
Si no se puede usar corectamente el idioma formal, no se debe usarlo.
If you can't use formal language correctly, you shouldn't use it at all.
1) Once you are as good at speaking my language as I am at yours we can continue talking about this. 2) I don't even get what you think is wrong about my statement.
On April 14 2016 09:34 Fecalfeast wrote: only 4 more confirms left to go, if it works for everyone I may end up starting the game when the timer in my last post expires
I hope you are aware of this:
On April 14 2016 13:11 Trfel wrote: It's a pretty lousy time for me
If someone else would like my spot, they are more than welcome to it, but otherwise don't expect tons of activity from me when my finals come around.
On April 15 2016 22:28 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Also, pulling shit out of his ass with the random percent.
Since when have the most splendid of players decided to just randomly do that? Perhaps I have missed a cultural change on Teamlqiuid, since I last played.
So when DID you last play? Because I have been playing for a few years now and this is typical Palmar. Can you explain why you think doing that is scunmy in general?
On April 15 2016 22:34 justanothertownie wrote: The fact that this smurf clearly went named himself after me but claims to have no idea about Palmars meta is really odd already.
Not sure this is a good point, I created a smurf named "Iwasrobik" and I know next to nothing about the guy or who he was playing with.
If that's not enough he said it has been a while since he played. Palmar was basically always here. He also called him a good player. He knows him.
On April 15 2016 22:28 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Also, pulling shit out of his ass with the random percent.
Since when have the most splendid of players decided to just randomly do that? Perhaps I have missed a cultural change on Teamlqiuid, since I last played.
So when DID you last play? Because I have been playing for a few years now and this is typical Palmar. Can you explain why you think doing that is scunmy in general?
I think it was a year ago or so. I forget which game in particular (Or i might just be saying that, to avoid giving my identity out, wittiness protection program and all that), but he was active and trying to find things out. And then as scum he was lazying his way though the game.
As for why I think that is scummy, it mostly has to do with the time stamps (almost 7 hours). I feel like he could of already have a comment on something, yet he does not. It appears almost that he is masking his existence by those posts, Much as I am masking my identity behind this smurf.
Don't you think what he did was kinda blatant? So if he is trying to mask anything he is doing a pretty poor job at it.
On April 15 2016 09:36 rsoultin wrote: ##vote rsoultin
I want to be one of the cool kids, too!
Onegu and I have a one-sided rivalry. It's delicious He votes. I ignore him unless he gets good.
Onegu always votes me. GB generally tries to get my attention and get me to read him when he's town, but I don't actually think that one post is enough to townread him for. Essentially I don't think it actually has anything to do with Onegu's vote.
Lexy likes chocolate. It depends on the day for me ^^
Onegu y yo tenemos una rivaldad unilateral. ¡Es rica! Vota. A él le ignoro a menos que se vuelve bueno.
Onegu siempre me vota. Generalmente GB atenta captar mi atención y me provoca decidir en su alineamiento cuando es del pueblo, pero de veras no pienso que es suficiente para decir: es del pueblo. Es decir que no creo que fuera una reacción al voto de Onegu.
A Lexy le gusta el chocolate. Para mí depende del día.
It's not so one-sided and you don't really seem to ignore him since apparently his antics were enough for you to make this post with a selfvote. I don't see the point of this post.
On April 15 2016 11:45 rsoultin wrote: :/ "pueblo" doesn't really translate to English, but I think it captures the spirit of the people against the elite that is mafia! (and yeah, hard to say before the game really gets started, but I think GB is probably town here, too. i have a pretty good record when it comes to reading him which is why his deliberately getting my attention is generally a sign that he's town)
De veras, "pueblo" no se traduce a ninguna palabra en inglés, pero pienso que lo captura el espíritu de la gente común contra la élite que es el juego de mafia.
Y, sí, es difícil estar segura antes de que empiece el juego, pero pienso que GB es probablemente parte del pueblo, también. Tengo un buen récord de identificar su alineamiento, lo cual es porque su atento a obtener mi atencíon es generalmente un indicio que es del pueblo.
these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum.
the above posts compared to this one....
VT claim
First post make it confirmed
##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy.
show a pretty big contrast.
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote: you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 09:36 rsoultin wrote: ##vote rsoultin
I want to be one of the cool kids, too!
Onegu and I have a one-sided rivalry. It's delicious He votes. I ignore him unless he gets good.
Onegu always votes me. GB generally tries to get my attention and get me to read him when he's town, but I don't actually think that one post is enough to townread him for. Essentially I don't think it actually has anything to do with Onegu's vote.
Lexy likes chocolate. It depends on the day for me ^^
Onegu y yo tenemos una rivaldad unilateral. ¡Es rica! Vota. A él le ignoro a menos que se vuelve bueno.
Onegu siempre me vota. Generalmente GB atenta captar mi atención y me provoca decidir en su alineamiento cuando es del pueblo, pero de veras no pienso que es suficiente para decir: es del pueblo. Es decir que no creo que fuera una reacción al voto de Onegu.
A Lexy le gusta el chocolate. Para mí depende del día.
It's not so one-sided and you don't really seem to ignore him since apparently his antics were enough for you to make this post with a selfvote. I don't see the point of this post.
On April 15 2016 11:45 rsoultin wrote: :/ "pueblo" doesn't really translate to English, but I think it captures the spirit of the people against the elite that is mafia! (and yeah, hard to say before the game really gets started, but I think GB is probably town here, too. i have a pretty good record when it comes to reading him which is why his deliberately getting my attention is generally a sign that he's town)
De veras, "pueblo" no se traduce a ninguna palabra en inglés, pero pienso que lo captura el espíritu de la gente común contra la élite que es el juego de mafia.
Y, sí, es difícil estar segura antes de que empiece el juego, pero pienso que GB es probablemente parte del pueblo, también. Tengo un buen récord de identificar su alineamiento, lo cual es porque su atento a obtener mi atencíon es generalmente un indicio que es del pueblo.
these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum.
the above posts compared to this one....
VT claim
First post make it confirmed
##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy.
show a pretty big contrast.
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:
On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote: you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia?
All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town.
So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB.
Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense.
these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum.
the above posts compared to this one....
VT claim
First post make it confirmed
##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy.
show a pretty big contrast.
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:
On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote: you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia?
All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town.
So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB.
Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense.
Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie.
You are questioning him on the basis that he makes ridiculous assumptions based on very little. Which is exactly what he did as town in a game we can't really talk about.
these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum.
the above posts compared to this one....
VT claim
First post make it confirmed
##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy.
show a pretty big contrast.
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:
On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote: you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia?
All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town.
So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB.
Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense.
these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum.
the above posts compared to this one....
VT claim
First post make it confirmed
##Vote: Rsoultin
Jeez I love when games are this easy.
show a pretty big contrast.
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:
On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote: you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia?
All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town.
So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB.
Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense.
Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie.
You are questioning him on the basis that he makes ridiculous assumptions based on very little. Which is exactly what he did as town in a game we can't really talk about.
Why does gumshoe currently townread GB ?
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
No puedo decidir si me gusta matar SL o no...ayúdame ;o; El espacio entre su primera entrada y las otras era tan larga pero no sé como interpretar su lista de deseos sobre los jugadores :/
I can't decide whether or not I want to lynch SL...help me ;o; The time between his first post and the rest was pretty long but I don't know how to interpret that list of who he does and doesn't want to play with :/
Based on what he did so far I have no idea why you would want to lynch him. If you don't know how to interpret the post then why would you lynch him for it?
these are all the scum games where Onegu claims vt that I could find. While he can certainly use his touch stone in a melancholy fashion as town(like that one time when hf, the love of his life broke his heart), he seems to consistently dredge it up half heartededly when hes scum.
the above posts compared to this one.... [quote]
[quote]
show a pretty big contrast.
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :
This is a lot of explanation for something 100% NAI. I don't think it is hard for scum!Onegu to mimic his town gimmick. Why did you end your post with "/ :" ?
On April 15 2016 18:58 Rels wrote:
On April 15 2016 11:18 gumshoe wrote: you also get lots of points for being one of the four people currently willing to play the game.
Can you explain your reasonning ? Cause it's only a few hours after the start of the game + night time for euro, so ofc if he's there he's one of the few people playing the game, as either alignment. Plus the only serious post GB made at that point was:
On April 15 2016 10:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'd translate it to "villa", but pueblo is fine
Gumshoe, am I mafia?
All the other is trolling, which he did as town last game but is easily replicable. I don't understand how you can have a read on him at that point.
I can see why GB would think this. But you just played a game were gumshoe made mountains out of molehills early to get the game started as town.
So ? He's going to replicate the town game he just played as scum. He could be scum going for the walls and writing a lot of BS. I want to know what check his thought process on GB.
Well, you can't go "this is really strange, how can gumshoe ever do this?!" and then say "I know he does this as town but this means he will do it as mafia also so it is scummy!". It doesn't make sense.
Except I'm not questionning it on the fact that he writes big posts, I want to know why did he find GB's posts townie.
You are questioning him on the basis that he makes ridiculous assumptions based on very little. Which is exactly what he did as town in a game we can't really talk about.
Why does gumshoe currently townread GB ?
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
So why is it suspicious for someone to dig into the townread and see if it's logical or not ?
On April 15 2016 23:31 Rels wrote: Something like that. Alright gumshoe can you expand on your GB's townread ? I think your "1 of the 4 people caring about the game" thing is bullshit because: - it was so close to the start of the game, so if he's posting ofc he's going to be one of the only posters, regardless of his alignment - he made only 1 serious post at that point, asking about your thoughts on him
Whatever. I should really check if you are telling the truth about missing gumshoes play the other time but why would you lie about that. Carry on.
On April 15 2016 23:55 Rels wrote: He might be town. He had this idea of Palmar being suspicious for X, I & others tell him X is NAI, he is like "OK" but still wants to defend his idea:
On April 15 2016 22:31 GlowingBear wrote: Are you slam?
Sadly no, however, perhaps we share a secret bondage of blood and DNA. Hmmm, Do i smell with nose?
On April 15 2016 22:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 15 2016 22:28 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Also, pulling shit out of his ass with the random percent.
Since when have the most splendid of players decided to just randomly do that? Perhaps I have missed a cultural change on Teamlqiuid, since I last played.
So when DID you last play? Because I have been playing for a few years now and this is typical Palmar. Can you explain why you think doing that is scunmy in general?
I think it was a year ago or so. I forget which game in particular (Or i might just be saying that, to avoid giving my identity out, wittiness protection program and all that), but he was active and trying to find things out. And then as scum he was lazying his way though the game.
As for why I think that is scummy, it mostly has to do with the time stamps (almost 7 hours). I feel like he could of already have a comment on something, yet he does not. It appears almost that he is masking his existence by those posts, Much as I am masking my identity behind this smurf.
Don't you think what he did was kinda blatant? So if he is trying to mask anything he is doing a pretty poor job at it.
Minus being noticed by the other chaps before I commented on it. Sometimes, the most obvious of masks, are simply a common idea, of a which the person wearing the mask thinks of. But I am slowly turning into my cousin V, so i digress from the mask talk.
It's a townie process. He could be a strong scum and fake it but it's town indicative.
On April 16 2016 00:24 Palmar wrote: clearly is not*
Also jat's point about how weird he is about his relationship to me is valid.
Without knowing his identity we can't make assumption about him knowing you can AFK D1 as town.
Why are you constantly defending that guy? It is really unwarranted. And your point is wrong too. He called Palmar "one of the most splendid players" or some shit. He knows him.
GB: Depende, ¿te gusta la rica oscuridad de chocolate? ¿Y dónde está el portugués? Oneg: siempre me odias ;o; Gum: o.0 hay mucha de tantas pocas palabras alla lol
GB: Depends, do you like the delicious darkness of chocolate? And where's the Portuguese? Oneg: You always hate me ;o; Gum: o.0 So much from so few words lol
this was the one post made before calling rstoulin mafia. Other people "joke" voted rstoulin so I took it as a joke vote at the time.
But hes still going with it? Your gonna have to explain this one palmar .right now I have you as mafia or a town randomly voting for presure.
Theres nothing in that one rstoulin post to think shes mafia this strongly and it all seems to convenient.
On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote: I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games. Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now.
-squints at- dude i'm just not scum, and i don't have cookie cutter games. i can be abrasive as scum very easily, and agreeable or lost as town just as easily. but regardless, there are two very good reasons you shouldn't be sitting there applying meta reads to me
1. you haven't played in the games you're citing and therefore have no clue about context (plus let's just be honest probably went in there with a pre-conceived bias since you already think i'm scum based on never having played with me as town)
and
2. you're wrong and annoying me and should stop cause this is wasting time when i'm literally one of the only people in the thread who even seems interested in trying to get town organized enough to have a shot in hell at actually lynching scum this phase
blah -_- it would be super nice if only scum would scumread me lol ><
Tumble makes a decent point about rsoul somewhat lacking emotion just before and the result is this unwarranted attack.Not the biggest fan.
On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote: I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games. Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now.
-squints at- dude i'm just not scum, and i don't have cookie cutter games. i can be abrasive as scum very easily, and agreeable or lost as town just as easily. but regardless, there are two very good reasons you shouldn't be sitting there applying meta reads to me
1. you haven't played in the games you're citing and therefore have no clue about context (plus let's just be honest probably went in there with a pre-conceived bias since you already think i'm scum based on never having played with me as town)
and
2. you're wrong and annoying me and should stop cause this is wasting time when i'm literally one of the only people in the thread who even seems interested in trying to get town organized enough to have a shot in hell at actually lynching scum this phase
blah -_- it would be super nice if only scum would scumread me lol ><
Tumble makes a decent point about rsoul somewhat lacking emotion just before and the result is this unwarranted attack.Not the biggest fan.
it's kinda amazing how long some of you have played with me and yet you still can't figure out really simple things. i don't treat scumreads and townreads the same, but some newbie even with good intentions sitting there trying to build a meta-read off 6-month old towngames is ridiculous
i doubt you'd appreciate it either
I have no idea what you think is ridiculous about it. He is doing work and if you want to do it right you need to look at older games. Especially if you don't have your own experience with the other player.
On April 17 2016 02:38 Tumblewood wrote: Many disappointed ohs were uttered during the course of catching up. Idk how you can read Palmar's case, think "this is a bad case," and then townread Palmar for it on the assumption that, if he's scum, it would be a suicide attack or a failure.
Yes, you can. First of all there is no real "case" from Palmar and second of all while Palmar could surely do this as mafia he has done it way more often as town in the past. But even if he hadn't posted a single word so far I would not lynch Palmar today. I am somewhat surprised he actually didpost.
Anyways, I will be traveling now so that I am home with some time left before deadline. Phone is almost dead so the most I can do is reread stuff I am saving on my laptop right now.
On April 16 2016 14:57 Tumblewood wrote: I read gaiden, that's only like six months ago Perhaps what I'm saying is that I expect rsoul to be more... disagreeable? That's the distinguishing factor I see between her town and scum games. Going to sleep soon so if you have any questions ask now.
-squints at- dude i'm just not scum, and i don't have cookie cutter games. i can be abrasive as scum very easily, and agreeable or lost as town just as easily. but regardless, there are two very good reasons you shouldn't be sitting there applying meta reads to me
1. you haven't played in the games you're citing and therefore have no clue about context (plus let's just be honest probably went in there with a pre-conceived bias since you already think i'm scum based on never having played with me as town)
and
2. you're wrong and annoying me and should stop cause this is wasting time when i'm literally one of the only people in the thread who even seems interested in trying to get town organized enough to have a shot in hell at actually lynching scum this phase
blah -_- it would be super nice if only scum would scumread me lol ><
Tumble makes a decent point about rsoul somewhat lacking emotion just before and the result is this unwarranted attack.Not the biggest fan.
it's kinda amazing how long some of you have played with me and yet you still can't figure out really simple things. i don't treat scumreads and townreads the same, but some newbie even with good intentions sitting there trying to build a meta-read off 6-month old towngames is ridiculous
i doubt you'd appreciate it either
I have no idea what you think is ridiculous about it. He is doing work and if you want to do it right you need to look at older games. Especially if you don't have your own experience with the other player.
seriously jat? i'm not saying he's scum. get off my ass
also, tumble, read. of course palmar's case isn't right. i'm town. it's by definition wrong. that doesn't mean i have to think he's scum for it any more than i have to think you're scum when you're wrong. how is this so hard to understand?
I did not say you were calling him scum. Your reaction is unwarranted especially if you think he is town.
On April 17 2016 02:51 Superbia wrote: Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar.
Even if you came up with a fantastic case which you can't with the stuff he has done we will not lynch palmar on a weekend. If you are town don't waste your time with this.
On April 17 2016 02:51 Superbia wrote: Some quick Q&A before I explain why we should lynch palmar.
Even if you came up with a fantastic case which you can't with the stuff he has done we will not lynch palmar on a weekend. If you are town don't waste your time with this.
On April 17 2016 04:45 Rels wrote: What changed with Superbia ?
well it's not really a townread tbh more of a i'm not sure what to make of his push on palmar read. i can see him believing what he's saying about palmar, even though i've seen palmar do this before as town (toad, wave in noir, etc) so know he's not necessarily right
actually what that should say is his case is wrong but his read could be right
OK. I get what you mean, it was the only post that looked townie. But he should know Palmar can do that, and even if not it was repeated several times in thread that it is NAI, so it's hard to believe he missed the info.
yeah i understand that but i'm not sure what he stands to gain from pushing off-wagon onto palmar who no one seems to want to lynch anyway. i mean obviously the argument could be made that it "looks" less like it could come from scum, or maybe they're distancing, but we've got so many underpeforming mostly afk people in the thread plus he was already pushing a lynch on me and i know i'm town even if the rest of y'all don't...seems like an odd target for scum to set their sites on when they're the leading lynch is all
You think Palmar is town If thatis the case then superbias is the most opportunistic thing that happened in a while. It is the most mafia agenda indicative thing in the whole thread. And you don't know about lynching because of exactly this? There wasn't any real resistance until I stopped it either. What the hell?!
On April 17 2016 04:45 Rels wrote: What changed with Superbia ?
well it's not really a townread tbh more of a i'm not sure what to make of his push on palmar read. i can see him believing what he's saying about palmar, even though i've seen palmar do this before as town (toad, wave in noir, etc) so know he's not necessarily right
actually what that should say is his case is wrong but his read could be right
OK. I get what you mean, it was the only post that looked townie. But he should know Palmar can do that, and even if not it was repeated several times in thread that it is NAI, so it's hard to believe he missed the info.
yeah i understand that but i'm not sure what he stands to gain from pushing off-wagon onto palmar who no one seems to want to lynch anyway. i mean obviously the argument could be made that it "looks" less like it could come from scum, or maybe they're distancing, but we've got so many underpeforming mostly afk people in the thread plus he was already pushing a lynch on me and i know i'm town even if the rest of y'all don't...seems like an odd target for scum to set their sites on when they're the leading lynch is all
You think Palmar is town If thatis the case then superbias is the most opportunistic thing that happened in a while. It is the most mafia agenda indicative thing in the whole thread. And you don't know about lynching because of exactly this? There wasn't any real resistance until I stopped it either. What the hell?!
i was talking about scum motivation. thread atmosphere was obviously against a palmar lynch, even before you went all knight in shining armor. you really think palmar was really ever in danger of being lynched here? lol >< by superbia of all people, king of the non-posts?
more importantly, what do you think of gb?
No. It was NOT obviously against a palmar lynch. There were plenty of people who scumread him.
On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote: yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player?
I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.
So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too.
It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
On April 17 2016 05:52 Fazers wrote: I voted Tumblewood because majority thought he was mafia but he is voting for himself so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know Superbia wanted to lynch me a while back, not sure why.
I don't understand the tumblewood line. What he is doing is what I expect from scum getting caught. If you were scum and were proven to have lied, what would be your reaction to that ? Because martyring and being like "I messed up go ahead and kill me" is the usual one. Actually it happened in the last game I played (TT).
tru truuuuuuuuu but 4 srs rels i'm martyring here play along i expect no less than to be lynched today so please let me have my one hour of productive town time and let's be honest whatever i did in this last hour is "what you'd expect from scum"
protip: once a game when i get the critical four votes on me, i get super mega spidey senses. make sure to use those to your advantage.
Sure talk about what you want. I always try to read the filter of people that are dead, so I will read what you have to say if you flip town.
You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now.
On April 17 2016 05:52 Fazers wrote: I voted Tumblewood because majority thought he was mafia but he is voting for himself so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know Superbia wanted to lynch me a while back, not sure why.
I don't understand the tumblewood line. What he is doing is what I expect from scum getting caught. If you were scum and were proven to have lied, what would be your reaction to that ? Because martyring and being like "I messed up go ahead and kill me" is the usual one. Actually it happened in the last game I played (TT).
tru truuuuuuuuu but 4 srs rels i'm martyring here play along i expect no less than to be lynched today so please let me have my one hour of productive town time and let's be honest whatever i did in this last hour is "what you'd expect from scum"
protip: once a game when i get the critical four votes on me, i get super mega spidey senses. make sure to use those to your advantage.
Sure talk about what you want. I always try to read the filter of people that are dead, so I will read what you have to say if you flip town.
You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now.
I'm fairly confident super is town based on my earlier posts and sl is voting for super atm so he doesnt really count / :
On April 17 2016 06:37 Superbia wrote: I find it kind of hilarious and disgusting at the same time that my case on Palmar has been reduced to "NAI" by pretty much everyone. It's actually very telling of either his alignment, or the meta-game atm. I'm leaning towards the first.
My case is more than NAI, but no one is actually bothering to check. The most offensive thing is that people are calling it "NAI" and find that enough of a reason to defend him.
No, it's not everyone who is wrong. It is you. Your case is dogshit and if Palmar is mafia then your points are not why.
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
Alright, I am spilling the beans here.
I am shapelog, And i know that you always vote for the survival wagon as town.
On April 17 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote: Shennanies never work there for losers. even then ticktock lynch in storm was 100% luck. well untill ticktock claimed mafia
Good thing you are here to berate us directly after the lynch you had no part in at all.
On April 17 2016 10:32 sicklucker wrote: Like tumble why do you think its all of a sudden quite at night? is it because we all have shit to do? naa its becuase posting reads is bad because mafia knows who to kills. I dont want to die. and im probably not scum and everyone knows it. Even scum is too afriad to push me because im unlychable.
First of all scum knows who to shoot regardless of what you post in the night. Second of all if you were universally townread or unlynchable you would be a good shot anyways. The fact that noone is posting is rather caused by a pretty poor town mentality. Seems to be normal these days.
On April 17 2016 06:57 JustAnotherScummer wrote: You still are way off tumble then what you feel like and i know as towntumble
Shape, did you read the thread at all near deadline? And I am not saying this because I necessarily disagree with what you said even though you should explain this in detail anyways.
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote: Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW..
Vig shoot this guy.
SECONDED.
^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +
and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not
i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate
it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over
bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging
Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though. Depending on some things shape may be scum and and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell.
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one) palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now
@tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon
care to explain?
I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky.
-squints at- i don't really understand this explanation
what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2?
explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky?
Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2. Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time.
why?
when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched
okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@
it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super
then
the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them
why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town?
nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon
Dude, this doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
On April 18 2016 05:25 Superbia wrote: If I'm the vigi I'm shooting Palmar.
If I'm the doctor I'm saving Gumshoe.
Yolo.
wow good to know that you're actually not "actually not blue but VT fakeclaiming" but blue not claiming if palmar dies superbia is conftown if superbia dies superbia is dead and flipped if both survive superbia is 99% scum and palmar is whatever ezpz
Mafia has a roleblocker. If both survive it doesn't really mean anything.
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
yeah i'd reaaaallly like to say that would actually stop him lol ><
that said it's not like i'm calling him scum for it, just not willing to put him up with my fairly certain towns, so it's pretty much a moot point
The scummy thing about it is that shape was completely oblivious to what happened in the thread. He doesn't feel the "towny vibes" and just because of that he ignores everything else that happens? Like superbia claiming a role etc?
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
On April 18 2016 06:15 rsoultin wrote:
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
yeah i'd reaaaallly like to say that would actually stop him lol ><
that said it's not like i'm calling him scum for it, just not willing to put him up with my fairly certain towns, so it's pretty much a moot point
The scummy thing about it is that shape was completely oblivious to what happened in the thread. He doesn't feel the "towny vibes" and just because of that he ignores everything else that happens? Like superbia claiming a role etc?
yeah i hear ye. i think the reason the bussing in particular sticks in my head is i've seen him vote on the scum wagon (mine! lol) when he knows they won't be lynched just to be on the right wagon later. of course he could just be town voting on who he thinks is scum, and that can be true even while being oblivious...some people just go their own way...but yeah
which actually is a good point anyway
i can check your filter real quick but shape what was your read on gb?
On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote: I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)
I don't think that's likely at all. Why would mafia ever shoot fazers?!
On April 18 2016 07:09 rsoultin wrote: okay unless we end up lynching super today, tumble, you have 48 hours to convince me not to lynch you or hope someone else is a better defense lawyer than you are
I would prefer some genuine reads on other people over another "convsersation" between you 2 though.
On April 18 2016 07:09 rsoultin wrote: okay unless we end up lynching super today, tumble, you have 48 hours to convince me not to lynch you or hope someone else is a better defense lawyer than you are
I would prefer some genuine reads on other people over another "convsersation" between you 2 though.
sure
backatcha...you can start with my reads post pffffft like i'm not putting effort in asshole >>
Your ability to read things into posts which aren't there never fails to impress me.
On April 18 2016 07:03 rsoultin wrote: lol well it's not a bad vig shot anyway so there's that
prob worthwhile to look at his reads but honestly he could easily get shot anyway just cause he's palmar. still worthwhile
it was a terrible vig shot fazzers was my top town. new players are so easy to read sign...
This is so incredibly unbelievable. You didn't do or say anything to prevent this either. Are you actually mafia?
why would I tell mafia my reads at night? I was not here during the day
Mafia never shoots fazers. You saw how everyone agreed he was a good vig shot. If he really was your "top town" you should have said something about that. There is 0 reason not to tell mafia your reads anyways since you wouldn't get shot anyways. And even if they shot you that wouldn't be bad at all.
On April 18 2016 08:11 sicklucker wrote: also two confirmed towns voted super with me. im never not lynching super today btw. claim or not do not cc just lynch him
Yes. A doc should not cc him unless super is putting in the effort necessary to get us off his ass today. Which will be a lot of effort.
A vig always ccs. He is just a named VT now anyways and it is an easy mafia lynch.
On April 18 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote: but like 4 confimed towns were on super. Mafia didnt join that wagon for unknown reasons. hes pretty much confirmed from my pov. even from your pov its like 3 or 4 confirmed towns. GB Palmar fazer
I know. There is a reason my vote is on him despite the blue claim. His play has been extremely scummy too.
On April 18 2016 08:19 sicklucker wrote: or one of the jats i forgot about him. I remember him posting he would claim who he was but I never read such a post
Oh yeah. Which one could that be? That's a hard one to figure out I have to admit.
On April 18 2016 08:20 sicklucker wrote: well jat I remember you getting the lynch off of super and tumble. if there mafia which I kinda think they are you not looking so great. ALso not getting nked over a very poorly playing palmar
There is a doc in the game. Which is why Palmar was a good nightkill and I was a bad one. It's not that hard to understand this.
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
On April 18 2016 19:07 sicklucker wrote: Well im just bitchin because two games straight I tried to push people to vote while I was in thread. and two games straight they didnt care did their own thing and last minute voted and said "wheres sicklucker" Both times I was pushing scum too. oh wellz. Its just pointless to have these 48 hour days if you dont use em. honestly they need to be changed because its 36hours of afking and 12 hours of scrambling
You know what? You are entirely right. I just don't think you really deserve to complain with your play so far.
I didn't lead anything yesterday. People just decided to follow me for some reason. And unless you really think tumble is mafia it was the right thing to do. Don't tell me you had a townread on GB because I will not believe you.
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
oks
it is 2 of 3 men.
Onegu jas, or... rels...
these reads assume that tumble is town though, so thats why I'm waiting on the super flip
I town read jat assuming that tumble is town, as you kind of wanted to lead the lynch away from him.
Sick lucker is town as he did straight up bus his teammate otherwise and hes post lynch bragging seems scuicidal coming from scum.
Rsoul is probs town cause effort and I dont see onegu just dropping off his vote on her if thier scum mates.
obi was also straight up bussing his mate from an early point if hes scum.
tumble is probs town if super is scum based off supers claim (unless super is rb)
Onegu's still at the top of mah list, my case before the day start hasn't changed at all, I especially hate how he supposedly "forgot" about the deadline to post his reads.
if onegu is town, he knows hes a vig target, so that kind of fuck up is huge as he honestly believes hes amazing. So he didn't care enough about his reads to get them in.
If hes scum, he was waiting to see if he got shot by vig before he wanted to offer an information whatsoever. So yeah, reaaaaaly scummy to my sight.
Jas and rels I got nothing really on, Jas's switch onto tumble instead of gj seemed to come out of nowhere but he was pushing super earlier so thats a bit odd.
It's also notable that he pushed into me and tumble early but backed off pretty fast.
rels... not sure, hes been gone a while now / : almost as if none of this matters to him.
I don't hate the Onegu argument. You shouldn't give SL a pass for this though. He bussed before and he didn't really do much to get Super lynched day1. Day2 doesn't count - noone gets credit for pushing super today.
And never ever should you townread rsoultin for effort. Some food for thought: rsoul likes killing people who want to lynch her or her scummates and who can't be reasoned with. Palmar died in the night.
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 02:42 rsoultin wrote: there is never any reason for vig not to claim after a vig shot unless he has more than one shot
like never
never ever
it is always the best play
always
do you understand what always means? having a confirmed town is never bad for town! and maybe you'll even get lucky and mafia will be dumb enough to fake claim/cc
You are wrong. He can claim tomorrow. What is the point of claiming today? There is none.
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
Wtf where is this tumble vote from shaoe coming from?
and was pushing super before that before it was even that cool.
the games a bit vague, but there are some clear things here and there, especially from your point of view.
You are in the unique position of knowing for sure that your town (I only somewhat know for sure that your town) so use that vantage to actually find out who was shitty during yesterdays lynch and also look at the night kill correlation with supers vig shot claim while your at it. See if you can draw anyone else into that web.
I believe in you : D
I was about to ask him where my "going after low hanging fruit" was yesterday when I more or less saved his ass once he explained himself.
On April 19 2016 02:35 Tumblewood wrote: oh see even as I was typing this attacking superbia's shitty claim there is no easier thing to object to
kk listen, I know you had a rough time day 1, everyone probs looks like your enemy, but jats not scum / : dude tried to protect you
Wtf where is this tumble vote from shaoe coming from?
and was pushing super before that before it was even that cool.
the games a bit vague, but there are some clear things here and there, especially from your point of view.
You are in the unique position of knowing for sure that your town (I only somewhat know for sure that your town) so use that vantage to actually find out who was shitty during yesterdays lynch and also look at the night kill correlation with supers vig shot claim while your at it. See if you can draw anyone else into that web.
I believe in you : D
See though I can't even mark people like Rels down for attacking me because if I were town and saw this I would say "TW made shit up" and tunnel me until the end of time
The way you seem to be more interested in how you come across than in making genuine reads this game is very very suspicious. Stop it if you are town.
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote: fazers you voted me why did you vote me palmar why are you voting superbia rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?
this is the only question i can even find in your filter directed at me and should be immensely obvious...and the reason i asked you why you wanted me specifically to give a hard read on fazers' first post was because it's an awfully odd thing to say unless you thought his post was significant somehow
which obviously you couldn't have if you completely "forgot" why you did it in the first place, or are you trying to sell that you're that forgetful?
not trying to sell shit. it's obvious i'm doing my fair share of bsing this game but it's only selling it if i'm trying to say i do that frequently as town, and i usually don't do it as either alignment. after today i'm going to try to not bs because that makes it much harder to evaluate people when they can bs and get away with it do you need extra reasons to scumread me or what
???
nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place
i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things?
because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +
as if that means anything
okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one) palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now
If I wasn't your townread yesterday then nobody was. You are just pulling shit out of your ass
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
-facedesks- okay okay okay. i'm gonna just say you're right to appease you now because obv mislynching is a mistake
-throws shoes at-
See? Wasn't that hard to admit that I am right, was it? :D
On April 17 2016 06:15 Tumblewood wrote: jat is a tw approved townie rels, jas, and gumshoe are not but are not scumreads either
On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:35 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote: fazers you voted me why did you vote me palmar why are you voting superbia rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?
this is the only question i can even find in your filter directed at me and should be immensely obvious...and the reason i asked you why you wanted me specifically to give a hard read on fazers' first post was because it's an awfully odd thing to say unless you thought his post was significant somehow
which obviously you couldn't have if you completely "forgot" why you did it in the first place, or are you trying to sell that you're that forgetful?
not trying to sell shit. it's obvious i'm doing my fair share of bsing this game but it's only selling it if i'm trying to say i do that frequently as town, and i usually don't do it as either alignment. after today i'm going to try to not bs because that makes it much harder to evaluate people when they can bs and get away with it do you need extra reasons to scumread me or what
???
nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place
i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things?
because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +
as if that means anything
okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one) palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now
If I wasn't your townread yesterday then nobody was. You are just pulling shit out of your ass
nobody was though no one has actually confirmed themselves as highly likely town in my mind
Ridiculous.
Ok, explain the following: I was the closest person to be a townread for you yesterday. There is no denying it. And today you suddenly call me scum for "going only after the easy targets" when yesterday I could have easily jumped on your wagon and today YOU ARE VOTING FOR THE SAME GUY I AM. Like wtf? Who am I supposed to go for instead of superbia in your opinion? Nothing you say makes any sense.
On April 19 2016 04:00 gumshoe wrote: Also Jat, if Tumble is scum, why do you think he feels the need to antagonize effectively everyone active in thread?
On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote: Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor??
You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote: JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed.
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote: Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor??
You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded.
On April 17 2016 06:15 Tumblewood wrote: jat is a tw approved townie rels, jas, and gumshoe are not but are not scumreads either
On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:35 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
this is the only question i can even find in your filter directed at me and should be immensely obvious...and the reason i asked you why you wanted me specifically to give a hard read on fazers' first post was because it's an awfully odd thing to say unless you thought his post was significant somehow
which obviously you couldn't have if you completely "forgot" why you did it in the first place, or are you trying to sell that you're that forgetful?
not trying to sell shit. it's obvious i'm doing my fair share of bsing this game but it's only selling it if i'm trying to say i do that frequently as town, and i usually don't do it as either alignment. after today i'm going to try to not bs because that makes it much harder to evaluate people when they can bs and get away with it do you need extra reasons to scumread me or what
???
nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place
i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things?
because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +
as if that means anything
okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one) palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now
If I wasn't your townread yesterday then nobody was. You are just pulling shit out of your ass
nobody was though no one has actually confirmed themselves as highly likely town in my mind
Ridiculous.
Ok, explain the following: I was the closest person to be a townread for you yesterday. There is no denying it. And today you suddenly call me scum for "going only after the easy targets" when yesterday I could have easily jumped on your wagon and today YOU ARE VOTING FOR THE SAME GUY I AM. Like wtf? Who am I supposed to go for instead of superbia in your opinion? Nothing you say makes any sense.
1. yeah I was TRing you yesterday no I am not TRing you today "oh no but what changed" I got good 2. literally everyone but Superbia is voting for him that means nothing 3. go for Superbia or if not him rsoul or if not her yourself 4. not to the mortal mind
If you want to die right after super then make sure to keep this attitude. You answered/explained nothing at all with this post.
On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote: JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed.
On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote:
On April 19 2016 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 02:44 rsoultin wrote:
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote: Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor??
You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded.
Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote: JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed.
On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote:
On April 19 2016 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 02:44 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
you do realize that your entire post to ows just now was saying exactly what i said in the post you just called bogus right? -_-
play and spew yourself town or i'm lynching you that's bogus rsoul, super needs to play and spew himself town or i'm lynching him
-facedesks-
No, you said lynching him would be better anyways if he is town because "we can never trust him" which is certified bogus.
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote: Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor??
You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded.
Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
On April 19 2016 14:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We're unanimously lynching the claimed doctor. This is probably the worst play that I've ever seen but what can we do?
You could push someone else instead of keeping it up if you really believe this. What a dumb post.
On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote: JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed.
On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
nope
"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"
i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><
No, it is not. You clearly said it wouldn't be bad to lynch him since he will be rbed anyways. Which is stupid. But we can stop this argument for all I care.
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote: Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor??
You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded.
Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
On April 19 2016 14:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We're unanimously lynching the claimed doctor. This is probably the worst play that I've ever seen but what can we do?
On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote: JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed.
On April 19 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
As long as superbia doesn't put in a good effort to make me think he could be town I see no reason to out a potential doctor. A save would gain us a mislynch.
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
On April 19 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 03:09 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
if the only reason you have to think he's town is his claim and he's not spewing himself town in other ways, of course it is. he'll always be a question mark. now you just don't want to admit you misread my post -_- pft typical jat
but yeah yeah i'll be good and stop arguing since it doesn't matter lolol <3 you remind me of lexy sometimes
but yeah i still like a tw lynch. it would take a lot to convince me he's town this game. i really don't even think it's possible at this point
I didn't misread anything. Mislynching him is always a mistake. It's a mistake I am willing to do though because he is a good player.
On April 19 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 04:31 Superbia wrote: Like I agree my d1 was very afkish, and this day isn't any better. But I'm the fucking doctor??
You will surely understand that we don't really want to take your word for that the way the day1 lynch went.
You claimed last minute to save yourself which is the correct thing to do as either alignment. You claimed the not confirmable role. Your day1 sucked. You tried to go after Palmar on a weekend when you should know better - it was the most mafia agendaish and opportunistic thing I have seen a player do in ages. Town Palmar also wanted you dead very badly and randomly died in the night. If you are the town doc it is your own goddamn fault that you were up for lynch and had to claim. Now it is your goddamn job to convince us that you aren't just a lazy scummer who tries to get the most out of a logical fakeclaim. That's not asking too much.
Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded.
Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool.
I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded.
There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
On April 19 2016 05:40 Rels wrote: JAT I find your behaviour around Superbia weird. You're constantly giving him outs and not committing to calling him scum even though it's pretty likely he is given the way he claimed. [quote] [quote] [quote] [quote] Why do you feel the need for these posts ? Especially, the fact that you explain your thinking about Superbia again and again. That is what is bothering me in particular
I have absolutely no idea what could be possibly bothering you about those posts?! It's clearly the best way to proceed and some clowns needed explanation to understand it. Of course I am giving Superbia an out. If you don't you are retarded.
Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool.
I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded.
There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you.
You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum.
You need to check a lot of things.
When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred.
It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you.
On April 19 2016 09:59 justanothertownie wrote: [quote] Like, it is not hard. Yes, I think he is mafia and I made that clear quite often already but I have been wrong before and he IS an uncced medic right now so if you do not acknowledge the possibility that he is town or refuse to give him opportunity to show it if that is the case then you have no idea how to play this game.
Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool.
I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded.
There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you.
You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up.
You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched.
AH, so the backpedaling begins.
My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game.
On April 19 2016 14:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We're unanimously lynching the claimed doctor. This is probably the worst play that I've ever seen but what can we do?
You could push someone else instead of keeping it up if you really believe this. What a dumb post.
I've repeatedly said we should get a cc and I've been shot down every single time.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum.
You need to check a lot of things.
When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred.
It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you.
Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town.
I will call myself town for whatever the fuck I please. My point is less that it makes me town and more that it makes you either really stupid or mafia to think it makes me scum.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum.
You need to check a lot of things.
When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred.
It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you.
Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town.
Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't.
It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too.
On April 19 2016 14:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We're unanimously lynching the claimed doctor. This is probably the worst play that I've ever seen but what can we do?
You could push someone else instead of keeping it up if you really believe this. What a dumb post.
I've repeatedly said we should get a cc and I've been shot down every single time.
Normally I would agree with you btw. The special thing is that due to the vig missing we lost a mislynch and a save can get it back for us. And scum has a rb. I hate vigs in mini games. Way too swingy.
On April 19 2016 23:56 justanothertownie wrote: [quote] What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote: [quote] There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool.
I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded.
There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you.
You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up.
You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched.
AH, so the backpedaling begins.
My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game.
I am considering him 99% scum at this point. If that was your point then this post was useless:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
So much explanation to someone agrees with you with what to do.
It's like you are being intentionally obtuse. No, rsoultin did not say the same I did. She said it wouldn't matter to lynch super because he is useless anyways due to the rb. Which is completely wrong since theoretically he is still a confirmed townie without a cc which we shouldn't ever lynch without mafia taking the 1v1 by ccing. I corrected that. Was is absolutely necessary to do so since she was doing the same I did by trying to lynch him anyways? Maybe not. Is it scummy in the slightest? Absolutely fucking not.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum.
You need to check a lot of things.
When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred.
It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you.
Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town.
Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't.
It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too.
So did I, but you're still calling me a potential scum. Can't have it both ways bro
Where is your logic this game? Of course I can have it both ways. Calling super mafia doesn't make anyone town or mafia (especially not today). I never said I was confirmed town because I called him mafia at some point. But you made it seem like I had any other read on him which is a pretty bad misrepresentation.
No, I am not good at reading Onegu because usually he doesn't provide anything that can be read.
On April 20 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote: [quote] Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool.
I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded.
There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you.
You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up.
You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched.
AH, so the backpedaling begins.
My read is not overexplained. I talked to people who said different things explaining why my way to proceed is better. I left him outs to tryhard because THAT IS WHAT EVERY TOWNIE SHOULD BE DOING - how can you even argue something this retarded? This is never a "scum indicator". You are basing everything around him being confirmed mafia when he just isn't - which is suspicious btw. I am OMGUSING because you are normally one of the smarter people here but what you are saying is utter bullshit over and over again. I know I am not getting lynched this game.
I am considering him 99% scum at this point. If that was your point then this post was useless:
On April 19 2016 02:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 19 2016 00:51 rsoultin wrote: we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
Your reasoning is bogus. If he is doc then not lynching is always better because he is confirmed without a cc and we don't ever have to lynch him without mafia 1v1ing him. BUT
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
This is also not optimal because if he is mafia we are outing our doctor (who is extremely important right now) for no reason. He already escaped the lynch day1. I won't hand him a doctor claim on top of that for this effort.
Super needs to stop being terrible and play the game for real sooner rather than later or we are just lynching him and I will absolutely blame him if he is town later. He isn't a scrub who can be allowed to do his. If he puts in effort/seems towny later we can still call for a cc and if there is none we lynch someone else. But without superbia trying there won't be anything else than his lynch happening today. He doesn't deserve it regardless of his alignment.
And yes, as long as this keeps going there is no real benefit for the vig claiming.
So much explanation to someone agrees with you with what to do.
It's like you are being intentionally obtuse. No, rsoultin did not say the same I did. She said it wouldn't matter to lynch super because he is useless anyways due to the rb. Which is completely wrong since theoretically he is still a confirmed townie without a cc which we shouldn't ever lynch without mafia taking the 1v1 by ccing. I corrected that. Was is absolutely necessary to do so since she was doing the same I did by trying to lynch him anyways? Maybe not. Is it scummy in the slightest? Absolutely fucking not.
It is a little. You just had to correct rsoul on that we shouldn't lynch Superbia in every possible case. It's small, but you're a good scum player. I won't let you carry this game if you're scum. If you're town you will have to play to your max.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
This is something I need to check. Will reread stuff once it's confirmed Superbia is scum.
You need to check a lot of things.
When there is an unanimous wagon lynching mafia you never ever ever ever base your reads on how people treated said mafia on that day. This is how you lost to shapelog in storm. People doubting the guy being mafia or giving him outs in a situation like that are almost never his buddies because they know he is going down and try to get their sweet buscred.
It is highly irritating that I have to explain something easy like this to you.
Bro if you're town I undersatnd you can be bias. But don't call yourself town over something that obv does not make you town.
Not talking about the D1 interactions BTW, maybe this actually makes you town. But your Superbia read doesn't.
It is not even a goddamn read. I said all day that I think he is mafia. All day1 too.
So did I, but you're still calling me a potential scum. Can't have it both ways bro
Where is your logic this game? Of course I can have it both ways. Calling super mafia doesn't make anyone town or mafia (especially not today). I never said I was confirmed town because I called him mafia at some point. But you made it seem like I had any other read on him which is a pretty bad misrepresentation.
No, I am not good at reading Onegu because usually he doesn't provide anything that can be read.
On April 20 2016 00:34 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if you really think as mafia I would do this shit while superbia is just giving up then you are way more stupid than I thought. Not to mention my day1 interactions with him (about Palmar for example) which are basically never mafia/mafia in a million years. If I am mafia with superbia there would have been 0 team coordination happening all game. That is never the case if I am mafia (unless I am with SL maybe).
So when it concerning you, you say "JAT is never mafia with Superbia", but when it's about me it's "JAT could be mafia with him so it doesn't prove Rels is never mafia with him". It doesn't match.
Learn to read. I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia". If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote: It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town".
Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for.
On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote: It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town".
Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for.
I don't care about semantics. If you think treating a scum like you did is "confirmed town", then you think that. If you think it is "it does not make me confirmed town", then you think that. But you cannot think the two things at the same time, yet you wrote both of those things. It indicates that you could be bullshitting. The difference for you is that you treated Superbia "stronger" than I did right ?
This is so idiotic. I never said I was confirmed town. I said and in an OBVIOUSLY exaggerating way that my interactions with Superbia are very unlikely to come from mafia/mafia. I find it very hard to believe that you don't understand something that simple.
On April 20 2016 03:18 Rels wrote: It's annoying to go on with this without Superbia's flip. As I said let's drop the first part for now. I want an answer to the second part though 'cause it has nothing to do with Superbia. It really doesn't match, you actually said two different things about how you should be read based on your interaction with a scum. First you say "never mafia / mafia", then you say "I'm not confirmed town".
Oh, so we are arguing semantics now? That seems like a very productive angle to go for.
I don't care about semantics. If you think treating a scum like you did is "confirmed town", then you think that. If you think it is "it does not make me confirmed town", then you think that. But you cannot think the two things at the same time, yet you wrote both of those things. It indicates that you could be bullshitting. The difference for you is that you treated Superbia "stronger" than I did right ?
This is so idiotic. I never said I was confirmed town. I said and in an OBVIOUSLY exaggerating way that my interactions with Superbia are very unlikely to come from mafia/mafia. I find it very hard to believe that you don't understand something that simple.
OK. I'll see if they are really different from mine when I reread them tomorrow then. If they are the same you should be considering me unlikely scum too. If they are not I'll admit you were right, I saw that you cared a lot about that. p:
On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
There are only 2 options:
1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
There are only 2 options:
1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple
On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
There are only 2 options:
1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple
Even if I was mafia 2) would still apply.
Case in point ^^ Now let's shut it down unless I reread your interactions after Superbia's flip.
Shutting it down would be better for you regardless of your alignment. Agreed.
On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
There are only 2 options:
1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple
yous a derp rels, a big ol / : derp.
I'll ask you the same question I asked tumble (I will be assuming super is scum for this question, as this whole argument is predicated on that and you insist on having it before the flip so there ya go)
If jat is scum, then he must have okd the shot on palmer in order to give supers vig claim weight.
if so, why did he immediatly shoot that possibility down?
Ok, I assume the vig shot fazers. Everything else would make me quite mad. Superbia claims with his first post today.
better yet, why did he go through with it in the first place? If he was scum, wouldn't he realize that shooting the same guy that super claimed he would kill would make no sense and would hurt his position far more than just a flat doc claim at the start of the day? Did he not realize fazzers had a good shot of dying?
It's ether a terrible oversight, or a flat out terrible play. Something I dont think ether of you would let go through.
There is also the possibility that mafia just accepted that superbia was going down today and killed Palmar because a) he is a good player and their attempt to mislynch him while he was away failed b) he was an unlikely medic save. Palmar dying is not a reason to read me anything.
On April 20 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.
There are only 2 options:
1) You are doing exactly this. 2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.
3) You are scum and you're angry I caught you over something so simple
yous a derp rels, a big ol / : derp.
I'll ask you the same question I asked tumble (I will be assuming super is scum for this question, as this whole argument is predicated on that and you insist on having it before the flip so there ya go)
If jat is scum, then he must have okd the shot on palmer in order to give supers vig claim weight.
if so, why did he immediatly shoot that possibility down?
Ok, I assume the vig shot fazers. Everything else would make me quite mad. Superbia claims with his first post today.
better yet, why did he go through with it in the first place? If he was scum, wouldn't he realize that shooting the same guy that super claimed he would kill would make no sense and would hurt his position far more than just a flat doc claim at the start of the day? Did he not realize fazzers had a good shot of dying?
It's ether a terrible oversight, or a flat out terrible play. Something I dont think ether of you would let go through.
There is also the possibility that mafia just accepted that superbia was going down today and killed Palmar because a) he is a good player and their attempt to mislynch him while he was away failed b) he was an unlikely medic save. Palmar dying is not a reason to read me anything.
wrong, palmer dying throws suspicion onto super. as why would scum shoot the guy super claimed he was going to kill? unless they knew he was never going to kill him. Ie, scum knows supers not vig, how, cause supers scum. Hence why scum shot palmer without fear.
it outright makes no sense unless they were trying to pass it off as a vig shot. It was so very derp and I dont see a player like your rels letting that slip
If super is mafia they know the vig won't shoot Palmar therefore I am not sure I am following your logic. If super is mafia they also knew that he will have to claim medic and not vig in almost every possible scenario anways. The only way he could survive another day fakeclaiming vig is if they rb the vig n1.
On April 20 2016 03:58 Rels wrote: Sry gumshoe but I don't think your "vig kill" theory is likely. Palmar is a strong player and he got shot, maybe it was because of your plan which would mean the scumteam are complete idiots, and maybe he was shot because he is a strong player and nothing can be assumed about the scum team.
I am asserting the scum team are complete idiots.
ok. follow along I am going to make this really fucking simple
super claims. Scum has no idea what he is if super is town.
Super says hes going to shoot palmer
if super is not scum, why would scum shoot plamer thereby risking 2 kp on one target considering palmer was going to possibly die anyway?
the only explanation is scum knew that super wouldnt vig shoot palmer. They only way they could know that is if super is scum.
They could also just rb super which is what they probably did if he is town. So since noone else would make that shot they knew they weren't risking 2 KP. Alternatively like I said earlier it is entirely possible that mafia decided superbia was basically dead already and didn't think about anything like that when making their kill.
On April 20 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote: I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense.
Please explain then 'cause I don't undersatnd
Just read his post. If you still can't follow the thought process you will have to be more specific.
On April 20 2016 04:07 Rels wrote: Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc.
thats not the key bit.
imagine your the scum team.
Super is claiming hes going to shoot palmer, you dont know if hes the vig or not. Though he did claim, so you cant rule that out.
So why would you shoot palmer if super said he was going to do that?
By shooting palmer scum reveal that they were not afraid of double shooting the same target. Hence revealing that super is scum (cause thats the only way they could rule out that not happening) the only reason to shoot palmer would be to back supers vig claim.
as for super, why claim your shot and heal that early? Only makes sense if he was trying to call a hit to gain cred, and if he was, why would scum hit that target? How did they know they werent wasting a vig mishot?
The mistake you are making is that you ignore the fact that mafia can (and will) just rb superbia if he is town.
On April 20 2016 03:58 Rels wrote: Sry gumshoe but I don't think your "vig kill" theory is likely. Palmar is a strong player and he got shot, maybe it was because of your plan which would mean the scumteam are complete idiots, and maybe he was shot because he is a strong player and nothing can be assumed about the scum team.
I am asserting the scum team are complete idiots.
ok. follow along I am going to make this really fucking simple
super claims. Scum has no idea what he is if super is town.
Super says hes going to shoot palmer
if super is not scum, why would scum shoot plamer thereby risking 2 kp on one target considering palmer was going to possibly die anyway?
the only explanation is scum knew that super wouldnt vig shoot palmer. They only way they could know that is if super is scum.
They could also just rb super which is what they probably did if he is town. So since noone else would make that shot they knew they weren't risking 2 KP. Alternatively like I said earlier it is entirely possible that mafia decided superbia was basically dead already and didn't think about anything like that when making their kill.
not true, going into night 2 there were several people who thought tumble more scummy then super, one more kill before his lynch was not that farfetched. The shot killed all chance of that.
Also if they rbed him, and he was thier mislynch, why would they kill palmer, thereby giving him a half decent vig claim? Shooting palmer knowing that super might do just that for them makes no sense unless it was to give him a possible claim.
As soon as super flips, this could very well stop being speculation and turn over to fact / :
at which point it would be best to assume that were not dealing with a super great scum team.
Superbia does never survive another day because before that happens there will always be a cc and he gets lynched. And like I said there is more than enough reason to kill Palmar regardless of superbia.
On April 20 2016 04:07 Rels wrote: Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc.
thats not the key bit.
imagine your the scum team.
Super is claiming hes going to shoot palmer, you dont know if hes the vig or not. Though he did claim, so you cant rule that out.
So why would you shoot palmer if super said he was going to do that?
By shooting palmer scum reveal that they were not afraid of double shooting the same target. Hence revealing that super is scum (cause thats the only way they could rule out that not happening) the only reason to shoot palmer would be to back supers vig claim.
as for super, why claim your shot and heal that early? Only makes sense if he was trying to call a hit to gain cred, and if he was, why would scum hit that target? How did they know they werent wasting a vig mishot?
The mistake you are making is that you ignore the fact that mafia can (and will) just rb superbia if he is town.
why do that if hes going to kill plamer for them? the only way they rb him is if they feel they cant read him, as missing out on a vig miskp is a pretty shitty loss for scum.
True, but if he is town he is probably trying to WIFOM mafia with that statement. They can't risk that.
On April 20 2016 04:20 Rels wrote: OK I see it. You're saying the scum team is dumb because they shut down all the chances of Superbia being believable after the kills.
On April 20 2016 04:24 gumshoe wrote: but yeah let me boil this down as much as possible.
1: super claims hell kill palmer if hes vig, heal me if hes doc
2: if super is town, scum have little reason to doubt these two claims as they line up with his reads,
3: scum shoot palmer, the guy that super could very well be killing. this demonstrates no fear of doubling kp but also shows that scum are not afraid of giving super an out by actualizing his shot onto palmer. Which means if super is town, they may have just given him something he can use to save himself.
tldr scum are neither afraid of giving supers claim authenticity or missing out on a second miskp. Which means they know exactly what super is going to do because hes scum.
2: Is just plain wrong since they knew super knew there is a roleblocker so they would never allow him shooting Palmar if Palmar was mafia. So super needs to make them think he will shoot town if he is town to get his shot off. Unrelated to this an argument could be made that this points towards superbia being mafia because he just said he would shoot the guy he called scum all the way
3: Super as town doesn't need them to give him anything to save himself. He will always save himself due to his claim without a cc from mafia. They won't trust him shooting Palmar so they will always rb him.
On April 20 2016 04:51 gumshoe wrote: So my argument kinda has two halves.
1: if super is town, the night kill is really wierd and seems to simultaneusly bother and not bother with his claim
The logic of "hey, super might shoot his number 1 scum read, lets shoot him too and rb super just in case" seems kinda odd as opposed to "hey, super may very well shoot palmer, lets rb and kill someone else, while potentially getting him to do our work for us, could be worth the risk"
2: if super is scum, the nk makes sense (allows him to contest vig) but is still derpy as it does not consider several key factors (like what the actual vig shot would be)
one makes little to no sense, the other makes sense if scum are derps. Therefore scum derped / :
Let's just agree to disagree here. At the very least until super flips.
The thing you should take away from our discussion is that both me and Rels disagree with you. So you probably shouldn't townread us just because Palmar died.
On April 20 2016 06:16 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Since you are here super, can you like spitball ideas about the game? Just like things that you think off the top of your head etc.
You're in my PoE scum list. Together with TW and SL. Maybe RSO scum. Maybe Obi bc TMI.
lol assuming you're even still here, what changed between not playing and townreading me and then not playing and scumreading me? xP epiphany? did your cornflakes say it?
The way you went against my claim.
elaborate
Thought it was town bc aggressive and possibly thinking of saving doc. Then I realized idk where the fuck town is at this game so it might as well be mafia fucking this game right in the ass.
well i mean obv if you're town, i could be the coolcat scum who gets you lynched without even a cc ^^ idk if i would or not tbh so that's fair to think that. if you're town (though tbh i think you just read what jat said and thought ha something i can piggyback on, when jat still doesn't get that i never said we should ALWAYS lynch you here lol ><)
On April 20 2016 06:38 rsoultin wrote: well i mean it's the only play for scum to make here...can't claim vig, has to claim doc if anything and hope for a cc = ideal scenario
like that was why my reaction to ows was so strong, cause that's exactly what scum would want, a d2 doc claim if they're being lynched
On April 20 2016 04:07 Rels wrote: Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc.
that was before fazzers flipped tho was it not?
He can never claim vig. He would have to explain not being roleblocked and would be cced immediately unless they happen to rb the real vig (which is pretty unlikely).
On April 20 2016 07:20 sicklucker wrote: altho I dare say super really did spew me town when we were fighting about last game. but thats for you to decide
Everything superbia did or said day2 is completely WIFOM and should never be the basis of someones reads. Considering his defeatist approach scum also knew they would sacc him today really early. Noone gets any credit for attacking him today.
On April 20 2016 07:27 justanothertownie wrote: Everything superbia did or said day2 is completely WIFOM and should never be the basis of someones reads. Considering his defeatist approach scum also knew they would sacc him today really early. Noone gets any credit for attacking him today.
is his turning of a total blind eye towards obi and sl for all of night 1 and half of day 2 just wifom? Cause I understand accusing your scum partners as your going down is shitty, but not saying anything? That just seems like wishful thinking on his part.
He wasn't particularly invested in the game so I think he just casually opened the thread and posted the little he did in reaction to what he saw there. I mean he was the fucking rb and if he tried they could have at least outed the medic today. But he didn't.
On April 20 2016 07:27 justanothertownie wrote: Everything superbia did or said day2 is completely WIFOM and should never be the basis of someones reads. Considering his defeatist approach scum also knew they would sacc him today really early. Noone gets any credit for attacking him today.
is his turning of a total blind eye towards obi and sl for all of night 1 and half of day 2 just wifom? Cause I understand accusing your scum partners as your going down is shitty, but not saying anything? That just seems like wishful thinking on his part.
He wasn't particularly invested in the game so I think he just casually opened the thread and posted the little he did in reaction to what he saw there. I mean he was the fucking rb and if he tried they could have at least outed the medic today. But he didn't.
also if he wasn't so invested, dont you think its pretty likely he had his team bus him day 1? Or at least more likely than say rels leading a big counter push on tws to save him?
It is possible but we already know that the biggest part of his wagon day1 was town since they are dead. And yes, there probably is mafia somewhere on the tumble wagon regardless of that guys alignment.
On April 20 2016 07:53 sicklucker wrote: jat you cant even argue im not town here. but I wanna see you try
I won't argue anything like that right now. You are not one of the scummiest people. But the conversation you had with super did certainly not spew you anything.
On April 20 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote: lol okay yeah
townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons) townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way) scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention) scum: tw lock and load
tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat)
though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^
over and out folkets
hum im pretty sure jat was not all about lynching an un cced doctor. That was me
I am pretty sure I said we should lynch him all day and had my vote on him before you said anything about it.
If I was mafia with him I would try to make him do things in the qt and not in the thread. Considering his behaviour scum knew the whole day he wouldn't try at all. So why would I ever write something like that when it clearly only gets stupid people to scumread me?
On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote: that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too.
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote: also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
There are a lot of things in his filter where I really have trouble to see how a townie could ever think this even besides the things you pointed out. The problem I have is that he is so openly obstinate and irritating that it would be pretty insane mafia play actually. In most cases this behaviour comes from townies. Maybe I should check his other scumgames to get a baseline for that. I vaguely remember Koshi scumreading the dude for being cocky?! If that is true he might just be mafia.
On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote: that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too.
unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^)
related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers)
Unsurprisingly I don't have as much or as strong townreads as you do. SL irritates me because not long ago he said I was a really easy townread and this game he is doing everything he can to be able to scumread me. Like calling me "one of the best scummer" or something like that which is extremely uncharacteristic for him. There are other reasons for why he isn't someone I would go for in the near future though. Gumshoe is fine for now.
Rels is basically null because there are some townie things and some scummy about him. Not my prefered lynch though. OWS is more or less the same. I would be more confident about him being town had he actually pushed the cc thing. He just complained and did nothing about it. Which sadly is something I could see town Obi do though.
On April 21 2016 00:12 Rels wrote: JAT for some reason I thought you voted Superbia D1 ? Tumble not jumping on Superbia but jumping on GB is a indeed a good point considering Superbia was RB.
No, I didn't. I had the vote already typed out after I said I would sheep Palmar on him but then he claimed so I stayed on GB.
On April 20 2016 23:43 rsoultin wrote: that and i'm just generally not that interested cause i think i fully understand why palmar warns for telling anyone about any type of host interaction. much as i don't want to read into it...it's tilting you toward the town side of null lol >< like i can go into it more but i almost think it's unsporting to do so since you're not an easy townread right now, and it's not 100% anyway just a belief i have regarding how the host would handle things
Yes, one of the reasons I have my doubts about him being scum too.
unrelated, but do you not live in the U.S. anymore? (i may or may not be asking cause lex and i are composing a visitation list for when i bebop into the netherlands this summer lol ^^)
related, are you where i'm at on reads or do you disagree somewhere? i know you and rels were duking it out earlier over something that i kinda just data-dumped cause i didn't really agree with either side (i think...probably. might be alzheimers)
Unsurprisingly I don't have as much or as strong townreads as you do. SL irritates me because not long ago he said I was a really easy townread and this game he is doing everything he can to be able to scumread me. Like calling me "one of the best scummer" or something like that which is extremely uncharacteristic for him. There are other reasons for why he isn't someone I would go for in the near future though. Gumshoe is fine for now.
Rels is basically null because there are some townie things and some scummy about him. Not my prefered lynch though. OWS is more or less the same. I would be more confident about him being town had he actually pushed the cc thing. He just complained and did nothing about it. Which sadly is something I could see town Obi do though.
Onegu can die in a fire.
I never lived in the U.S.?!
bad tina memory! lol sorry (no we don't need to keep talking about this in thread -slinks off-)
okay so we're kinda along the same page then. well idk like i do think it would be worthwhile to go back and make sure ows doesn't have outs and things in-thread and not just go voting rb over possible bad town/possible scum means he's town (not making that mistake again ><) but it does drop him in priority for me
idk though the complaining and doing nothing (i assume you mean in the form of actually voting) is a bit suicidal for you to do as scum when thread sentiment is clearly grinding toward a super lynch? like i know that's not the best reason to townread anyone. i know for a fact it's something i'd be fine doing myself depending on the circumstances. just not really sure ows is that...hm what's the word? brash? arrogant? flashy? as a scum player. from what little experience i've had with his scum game he's more of a simpering blender (<3s ows >> that's not meant to be offensive btw i do the simpering stuff too depending on the situation)
Erm, yes? That is exactly my point. If he would have been more vocal/stubborn about it I would have a stronger townread on him. That would be flashy/brash etc as mafia. Just complaining about it without doing stuff is more like scum OWS. But yeah he was the first to vote superbia day1 it seems. Good for him.
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Ok, if you ever flip scum rels is like 95 % town ^^
On April 21 2016 00:36 gumshoe wrote: So I have alot of stuff saved up for eon, but if it’s just going to just get ignored theres no real point to the effort is there / : so I’m writing this preamble to hopefully soften the crowd : D
if I am actively involved in a game and I make it past the first few nights I am going to start putting stuff together. I think in large webs based around core evidence. The problem is you are all very clever people and you find the one or two holes in what I say and assume that those exceptions are in fact the case and subsequently dismiss them in favour of your own reads. Reads that if I felt like doing so, I could pick apart like cotton.
This is simply because most arguments in mafia come with a free set of holes / : the only reason they continue to stand is because people cant be bothered disproving all of them / :
I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia
Heres a post from jat in regards to rels pushing him, at this point jats getting pretty angry. He seems to think that saying my “interactions make it unlikely that were mafia together” is way different from “I cant be mafia with him cause I called him mafia” but rels knows jat and is aware that hes not a hyperbolic player ala ritoky (who would be screaming confirmed for days in jats position after the super flip) which means rels may very well consider an understated claim from him to be equivalent. Is rels right or wrong to do this? Thats besides the point, to qoute jat himself
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
Is it really that hard to see rels believing this as town? Jat seems to think that rels could not possibly do this as green and I think thats his biggest fuck up yet
If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
Jat feels rels is bieng an idiot, he knows rels is intelligent, therefore rels is scum.
There are so very many problems with this logic, but lets start simple, jat is a very smart and eloquent person, to him, alot of what we say probably comes off as idiotic because of just that. He has rarely agreed with anyone this game about anything as he is rather confident / : as he should be, he is quite good. Yet that gives him a poor perspective on whats too dumb a move for someone to make.
Also there's the fact that this is a terrible move regardless, which means no matter what alignment he is rels is being stupid, therefore stupidity has no bearing on rels alignment as jat seems to think. There is no reason to attack jat here as all rels has to do if hes scum is look townie. Antagonising townie numero uno may do that indirectly, but it also aggros him thereby making the whole move derp. Only real reason to do it is if rels actually think jats scum based off feel and is using shit reasoning to justify that feel read / : thereby pissing off jat and robbing him of his objectivity. Which sorta makes rels town.
The point I am trying to make here is that I think Jat is a fantastic player, but here he is being a fucking idiot.
I can find shit like this on everyone here and i’m sure they could come up with a million reasons why I’m wrong about them being wrong and we can go back and forth like that forever.
Look, I don't want us to stop finding flaws in one another's arguments, thats mafia, what I want is for us to stop rewarding ourselves for finding those flaws with the instant dismissal of the cases to which those flaws belong. All so that we can get back to proving why were right and everyone else is wrong.
So when I post what may be my last big wall of text ,which is going to be as logical and streamlined and clear as I can possibly make it ,and you find all the potential outs for each and every point, dont just walk away satisfied, ask yourself how effective those outs actually are, how likely is it that they are the rule and not the exception? Das all I ask yo / :
Can you tell me what's the point of this post? Because I don't see it. You want me to townread rels or what?
On April 21 2016 00:43 Rels wrote: lol rsoul I forgot you were writting everything in spanish early on. Apparently it was too hard to keep up ^^
>> lol god it takes me like 4x as long to do it that way >> i prob should have given how much i spammed this game but...okay you want the honest truth? part of why i dropped it (apart from frustration at palmar lol ><) was it was so damn slow that me capping my spamming wasn't really helpful lol >< part was laziness \o/
Lucky you. I might have policy lynched you for it.
On April 21 2016 00:36 gumshoe wrote: So I have alot of stuff saved up for eon, but if it’s just going to just get ignored theres no real point to the effort is there / : so I’m writing this preamble to hopefully soften the crowd : D
if I am actively involved in a game and I make it past the first few nights I am going to start putting stuff together. I think in large webs based around core evidence. The problem is you are all very clever people and you find the one or two holes in what I say and assume that those exceptions are in fact the case and subsequently dismiss them in favour of your own reads. Reads that if I felt like doing so, I could pick apart like cotton.
This is simply because most arguments in mafia come with a free set of holes / : the only reason they continue to stand is because people cant be bothered disproving all of them / :
I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia
Heres a post from jat in regards to rels pushing him, at this point jats getting pretty angry. He seems to think that saying my “interactions make it unlikely that were mafia together” is way different from “I cant be mafia with him cause I called him mafia” but rels knows jat and is aware that hes not a hyperbolic player ala ritoky (who would be screaming confirmed for days in jats position after the super flip) which means rels may very well consider an understated claim from him to be equivalent. Is rels right or wrong to do this? Thats besides the point, to qoute jat himself
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
Is it really that hard to see rels believing this as town? Jat seems to think that rels could not possibly do this as green and I think thats his biggest fuck up yet
If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
Jat feels rels is bieng an idiot, he knows rels is intelligent, therefore rels is scum.
There are so very many problems with this logic, but lets start simple, jat is a very smart and eloquent person, to him, alot of what we say probably comes off as idiotic because of just that. He has rarely agreed with anyone this game about anything as he is rather confident / : as he should be, he is quite good. Yet that gives him a poor perspective on whats too dumb a move for someone to make.
Also there's the fact that this is a terrible move regardless, which means no matter what alignment he is rels is being stupid, therefore stupidity has no bearing on rels alignment as jat seems to think. There is no reason to attack jat here as all rels has to do if hes scum is look townie. Antagonising townie numero uno may do that indirectly, but it also aggros him thereby making the whole move derp. Only real reason to do it is if rels actually think jats scum based off feel and is using shit reasoning to justify that feel read / : thereby pissing off jat and robbing him of his objectivity. Which sorta makes rels town.
The point I am trying to make here is that I think Jat is a fantastic player, but here he is being a fucking idiot.
I can find shit like this on everyone here and i’m sure they could come up with a million reasons why I’m wrong about them being wrong and we can go back and forth like that forever.
Look, I don't want us to stop finding flaws in one another's arguments, thats mafia, what I want is for us to stop rewarding ourselves for finding those flaws with the instant dismissal of the cases to which those flaws belong. All so that we can get back to proving why were right and everyone else is wrong.
So when I post what may be my last big wall of text ,which is going to be as logical and streamlined and clear as I can possibly make it ,and you find all the potential outs for each and every point, dont just walk away satisfied, ask yourself how effective those outs actually are, how likely is it that they are the rule and not the exception? Das all I ask yo / :
Can you tell me what's the point of this post? Because I don't see it. You want me to townread rels or what?
I feel like your very good at finding flaws in theories but bad at evaluating their likely hood.
What I am going to be saying at e.o.n has alternative explanations, but those explanations are highly unlikely, what I am worried about is this- I post a huge wall of change and people ethier ignore it or find a possible alternative explanations to it's key points that are huge stretches but serve as more than enough for them to just move on / :
The point of this post is to ask people to read my eon posts objectively. Fully prepared to discard many of thier reads if they cant honestly consider the alternatives, to the facts I will base my case around, to be likely.
To this end I am using you as a sacrificial goat to demonstrate that even the best players can be wrong : P which is exactly how I am viewing this town atm. but no I am not asking you to town read rels, I am simply showing that your reasoning for scum reading him earlier was bad and fueled by emotion/outrage.
Be honest, you also wrote it to have the opportunity to call JAT a "fucking idiot". ^^ Seriously, sry if you feel everybody is not listening to you. But if several players tell you why they disagree with your conclusions, maybe you are right nonetheless, maybe you didn't explain properly ... or maybe there is something wrong with your conclusions. And ofc I will read your eon posts if I survive, as everyone should. Doesn't mean I promise to agree with it though.
again, I am not upset XD you all are great and I am having a ton of fun regardless. I just needed to do something dramatic cause yeah : P from where I stand the situation calls for it.
Don't worry. Should you get shot there are enough people still in the game who are able to reevaluate. I think there will be a good chunk of additional information tomorrow so it will be needed anyways.
On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote: Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote: Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically.
I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens.
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
wat
It is easy. If Obi is fake (which I very much doubt) then the real vig has to counterclaim immediately because now we can still lynch both of them if we are wrong at first. I will not believe any later counterclaims.
On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.
were never lynching tumble / : I wish onegu would do something to mod kill himself cause I think hes town T_T.
Why would you think that? (The Onegu part - I understand your tumble read)
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
wat
It is easy. If Obi is fake (which I very much doubt) then the real vig has to counterclaim immediately because now we can still lynch both of them if we are wrong at first. I will not believe any later counterclaims.
Im saying that this a viable move (what obis doing) from scum as it puts us into lylo if we lynch a counter claimer / : at which point even though he dies, his scum mate can doc claim
also note, if obi and sl are scum together sl cannot claim for obvious reasons, so only obi can make this move.
So what? It is still a really bad play to do this as mafia. First of all it is not guaranteed that we lynch the wrong vig. Second of all even if we do we still end up in LYLO and if someone claims medic there then the real one ccs and it is a 50/50 decision even without reads and everyone else is confirmed town. Those are really really good odds.
On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.
were never lynching tumble / : I wish onegu would do something to mod kill himself cause I think hes town T_T.
Why would you think that? (The Onegu part - I understand your tumble read)
Too scuicidal, no idea why hes pushing me (he didnt even in vanilla where I thought he was scum for days) could be scum, but im thinking town. Also I think he actually believes his reads derpy as they are / : I dont get that from scumgu
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
wat
It is easy. If Obi is fake (which I very much doubt) then the real vig has to counterclaim immediately because now we can still lynch both of them if we are wrong at first. I will not believe any later counterclaims.
Im saying that this a viable move (what obis doing) from scum as it puts us into lylo if we lynch a counter claimer / : at which point even though he dies, his scum mate can doc claim
also note, if obi and sl are scum together sl cannot claim for obvious reasons, so only obi can make this move.
So what? It is still a really bad play to do this as mafia. First of all it is not guaranteed that we lynch the wrong vig. Second of all even if we do we still end up in LYLO and if someone claims medic there then the real one ccs and it is a 50/50 decision even without reads and everyone else is confirmed town. Those are really really good odds.
more so it gives scum the option to claim medic. They dont have to / :
Yeah, so? I don't understand where your problem is.
On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.
were never lynching tumble / : I wish onegu would do something to mod kill himself cause I think hes town T_T.
Fine.
JAT GO FUCK YOURSELF AND DIE IN A FIRE, you are such a fucking asshole and no one enjoys playing with you they enjoy it less than playing with me. And when you tell someone to die in a fire you are a bigger asshole than Koshi.
I fucking outed of the other game because I dont enjoy playing with assholes. Dont worry I have contact with the people I like in steam and enjoyed alot of the people in this community but JAT you arent one.
It is not even a very believable rant. I don't think you are stupid enough to misunderstand me saying you should die in a fire to mean anything else than I would like you to die INGAME.
On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote: Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically.
I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens.
thats not a bad point. could just be built in rage tho ;p. I mean I was just mafia with super and I know him quite well he would not listen to you like I didnt listen to you and most wont. your not the boss!
Super could just not ask you push palmar and you would rage against that so more null to me acualy
On April 21 2016 09:05 sicklucker wrote: Jat I dont like how you push the world that super would listen to things you say. I have never acualy seen anyone listen to what you say as a scum mate your way too pushy and tilting. I dont tell super what to do when im mafia with him I just let him do his own thing I doubt he would have even listen + Show Spoiler +
HAHA SCUM SLIP no im talking about a game last week gumdrop
Also putting me in your lynch list =/
Well, tough titties. Is there any reason to townread you besides your day1 vote?
Even if you were right and super would just do whatever he pleases as mafia without caring about his team (lol, yeah right) then I still wouldn't shut him down and expose him like I did. I like to win games.
On April 21 2016 09:10 sicklucker wrote: Also 5 confirmed towns of 6 voted super day one. I wonder what my alignment was guys? any takers?
5 TOWNS VOTED SUPER . the 6th was me. Clearly there was no bus. IF there was a pre planned bus both mafia would be on super.
No im obviously town in this spot.
Like the way super played (roleblocker I might add) two things are likely to happen with his mafia team. Either they both bus or no one busses.
Since the 5 other people who voted super are town no one bussed.
Im just town sorry guys.. this should have been locked yesterday tbh.
Also how many people yesterday pushed super all day even when he claimed medic with no hesitation? if you know what im saying. There was me and rstoul pretty much
Basically everyone pushed super yesterday except for maybe Obi who is confirmed town. There is 0 information to be gained from that.
And your day1 argumentation is just "I am town so noone bussed. So since noone bussed I am town". Very smart. Mafia players almost never vote all for the same guy. That's a bad argument.
On April 21 2016 09:13 sicklucker wrote: ALso jat how do you not snap vote jas here. you been soft pushing him all game
Why would I? I gave you the list of people I could lynch. I don't need to snapvote anyone before I think about who I want to lynch the most out of them.
On April 21 2016 09:18 sicklucker wrote: After that newb was vig shot it was obvious to everyone that super was mafia. But before that flip alot of people believed his fake claim
On April 21 2016 09:51 gumshoe wrote: Welp, just skimmed over the game under the assumption that obis town, jat is town based off his day 1 interactions with super. ( defending Palmer from super ) the whole not lynching Palmer on a weekday is such a wierd reason for two scum to conflict so yeah, jats town
Tumb is town, don't wanna argue why again
Obi is evidently town.
Dick move analysis says onegu is town (can't see him getting that upset as scum, he was way calmer in vanilla)
That leaves jas sl and rels, so yes, there is a world where sl is town XD (the one where rels and jas are scum together)
The problem with your onegu logic is that he can do that as any alignment. There is 0 reason to assume he would only say this stuff as town. And he is the kind of player who does shit like this to brag how much of a genius he is afterwards if it works.
On April 21 2016 09:51 gumshoe wrote: Welp, just skimmed over the game under the assumption that obis town, jat is town based off his day 1 interactions with super. ( defending Palmer from super ) the whole not lynching Palmer on a weekday is such a wierd reason for two scum to conflict so yeah, jats town
Tumb is town, don't wanna argue why again
Obi is evidently town.
Dick move analysis says onegu is town (can't see him getting that upset as scum, he was way calmer in vanilla)
That leaves jas sl and rels, so yes, there is a world where sl is town XD (the one where rels and jas are scum together)
The problem with your onegu logic is that he can do that as any alignment. There is 0 reason to assume he would only say this stuff as town. And he is the kind of player who does shit like this to brag how much of a genius he is afterwards if it works.
quotes or it didnt happen. Find me games were onegu knowingly incured warnings as scum to make it look like he was genuine.
I think the guys delusional, terrible at mafia and has an undeserved persecution complex, but your asserting that he just outright cheated / : (breaking rules to earn confidence he cant be bothered to actually earn through play)
It doesn't even have to be deliberate. He can genuinely rage like that as town or mafia. His alignment has nothing to do with it.
On April 21 2016 09:51 gumshoe wrote: Welp, just skimmed over the game under the assumption that obis town, jat is town based off his day 1 interactions with super. ( defending Palmer from super ) the whole not lynching Palmer on a weekday is such a wierd reason for two scum to conflict so yeah, jats town
Tumb is town, don't wanna argue why again
Obi is evidently town.
Dick move analysis says onegu is town (can't see him getting that upset as scum, he was way calmer in vanilla)
That leaves jas sl and rels, so yes, there is a world where sl is town XD (the one where rels and jas are scum together)
The problem with your onegu logic is that he can do that as any alignment. There is 0 reason to assume he would only say this stuff as town. And he is the kind of player who does shit like this to brag how much of a genius he is afterwards if it works.
quotes or it didnt happen. Find me games were onegu knowingly incured warnings as scum to make it look like he was genuine.
I think the guys delusional, terrible at mafia and has an undeserved persecution complex, but your asserting that he just outright cheated / : (breaking rules to earn confidence he cant be bothered to actually earn through play)
It doesn't even have to be deliberate. He can genuinely rage like that as town or mafia. His alignment has nothing to do with it.
I just dont buy that / : it's another case where it's like, could Onegu be funneling the rage he feels to make himself look townie? Maybe.
But judging from what I have seen of him as scum, he doesn't get nearly as mad.
Also the key point I am making is that if Onegu is scum, he just knowingly cheated, his reference to my modkill comment shows he knew what he was doing, so unless onegu is a total piece of shit, hes not scum.
using a mod warning to make yourself look like a rageful townie is one of the most abusive moves possible. I would lose all respect for someone who did that.
Show me proof he can do that as scum and I'll concede the point and what little faith I have in him. Till then he gets the benefit of the douche/doubt / :
Are you even listening to what I say? There is 0, ZERO reason to assume that he would only get mad as town. Even if the rage is real which might be possible since it seems he posted something similar in another thread he can get mad at me regardless of his alignment.
Like, if you want to ignore Onegu for today, fine. Maybe (hopefully) he doesn't come back and gets modkilled. But don't assume he is 100 % town for raging at me.
On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote: [quote] Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.
What is the point? If you don't understand what I said or why reread it and you will. If you were town super you probably wouldn't be very inclined to do stuff if everyone just said lynch him anyways. And why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy? In essence - what I said made sense and was warranted and even if it wasn't it would still not be scum indicative. Your angle hrte
It's not really true - Superbia is a very good scum, so you giving him an out could means he can survive if you are his partner and help him. So "why the hell would I say that as is scumbuddy?" has an easy answer and is not a defense. I know you are a very good scum. I won't let you slip by if you are scum. You said you didn't want today to be wasted:
On April 18 2016 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote: [quote] Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
Yet you didn't do a whole lot. I expect more from you.
Because people didn't do anything when I was around. And I still did more than 90 % of players in this game including you.
If I want to save super as my scumbuddy I yell at him in the qt to do stuff and certainly not in the thread while he is clearly getting lynched. That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard from you.
No. If you are town you acted exactly how a scumbuddy with a lot of towncred would act in order to make the doc thinks he needs to cc if superbia starts putting effort in the thread.
Nope. It's like you have 0 idea how this game works. IF super is mafia AND puts in the needed effort and I see that we can maybe save with the obtained town sentiment him THEN I maybe make a post like that. NOT when everything points towards him getting lynched anyways and I am just making myself look like a fool.
I am acting exactly like a townie who does not KNOW superbia is mafia and makes sure he knows he can still salvage this if he really tries to. Which is something every townie should do because mislynching an uncced medic in an open setup is mighty retarded.
There is 0 scum motivation and a lot of town motivation for what I have done.
Meh. Will have to reread this later with a clear head because the more you arguee this is proving you are town when it's clearly NAI at best and probably scum indicative actually, the more I want to lynch you.
You will not lynch me bro but don't let me stop you from trying. This whole retarded argumentation makes it way more likely for YOU to be mafia. Logical player my ass. You didn't refute anything I brought up.
You are the one not responding directly to what I'm saying. Your read on Superbia is overexplained and you repeated why you are scumreading him and why doc should not claim. You also left him outs to tryhard, he can't be saved if doc cc but he can make the doc cc. Now you're saying all of this actually makes you town. Bullshit. This is not a strong scum indicator, I'm not calling you slam dunk scum, yet you're reacting and OMGUSing like you are about to get lynched.
god this is too good I cant vote this man today
There are good things in rels filter. Yet you managed to quote the part that is really shit. Congrats.
On April 21 2016 10:15 justanothertownie wrote: I mean he knowingly cheated regardless of his alignment by doing that. It makes no difference what alignment he is.
It makes a huge difference.
If he's town in his mind he is righteous.
If he's scum he's just slime.
It's easy to just say it makes no difference but it really does as it's the difference between being right and wrong outside the game. (He's moved things off the board)
And that's what onegu has done, he's made this about his morality and his sense of being wronged instead of being about the game itself.
Regardless of wether he was right to do that(he really wasn't)That does means a lot to me jat, I hope you don't think too less of me for that / :
I don't think less of you - why would I?
But Onegu can feel righteous about this as town or mafia. It is just his opinion and his alignment doesn't change anything about that.
On April 21 2016 12:50 sicklucker wrote: then its probably jat if its shape. idk onegu is random but just as likely possible. If we lynch like shape he flips scum. We win if we lynch onegu then jat. unless im missing something.
If shape flips i dont think tumbles gonna be mafia
What a pile if garbage. If anything shape being mafia makes tumble MORE likely to be scum due do shapes notorious bussing and how he didn't care about anything else eod1. You can also read rsouls filter about this.
You have 0 reason to call me mafia so either make a case (you can't) or shut the fuck up about it.
On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads. Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them. I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat
Does this guy ever have reasons for his opinions? For your information:
There is no case on me. I am not low hanging fruit. Yes, there are a lot of townie things I have done and once again you had me as one of your top townreads. And now that SL says lynch JAT for no reason you suddenly think I am one of the best lynches after shape?
I mean maybe you are partly correct and it is rels but is certainly not me. The people who died in the night were the ones with the biggest townreads on me (and who also know my play best so maybe you should trust them). I do not kill all my fans as mafia. And that's only additional reasoning to all the other shit that is already there to read me town.
On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads. Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them. I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat
Does this guy ever have reasons for his opinions? For your information:
There is no case on me. I am not low hanging fruit. Yes, there are a lot of townie things I have done and once again you had me as one of your top townreads. And now that SL says lynch JAT for no reason you suddenly think I am one of the best lynches after shape?
Then who the hell is? I am tapping into the list of people I previously had as confirmed town.
On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads. Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them. I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat
Does this guy ever have reasons for his opinions? For your information:
There is no case on me. I am not low hanging fruit. Yes, there are a lot of townie things I have done and once again you had me as one of your top townreads. And now that SL says lynch JAT for no reason you suddenly think I am one of the best lynches after shape?
Then who the hell is? I am tapping into the list of people I previously had as confirmed town.
If it is not you then 2 of rels/shape/onegu/SL are mafia.
On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote: Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically.
I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens.
But I did exactly that too. TBF rsoul dying is an indicator that you are town, I should have been killed if you were scum. rsoul & I had kinda the same reads apart from you.
On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote: Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically.
I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens.
But I did exactly that too. TBF rsoul dying is an indicator that you are town, I should have been killed if you were scum. rsoul & I had kinda the same reads apart from you.
You are right btw. I would have shot you or SL (who softed medic like a madman all game) if I was mafia and you are town. I would not shoot rsoul who would never lynch me this game.
On April 22 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Goddamnit phone....
Rels you might have said similar things to superbia but not before I had already done that. So there is no cred for you.
We'll see about that. That doesn't feel very strong either, 'cause you probably can't control what Superbia wants to do if he's playing. In an hypothetical situation where you are his partner and he attacks Palmar for no reason, you will probably buddy Palmar and shut down your partner's bad attack. Now I see how you will legitimately think that makes you town if you're town but this in particular is NAI.
No, it is not. I would not shut down my partner so hard that he has to fakelcaim to not get lynched. Especially not the roleblocker.
I can ignore Onegu for today if you guys really think he would only do that as town. I disagree but I might be a little biased here.
I will not lynch gumshoe.
The only thing that keeps me from scumreading tumble is the thing gumshoe brought up about how stupid it would be if superbia fakeclaimed and tumble got lynched and his general obstinance. But I need to check if this really applies since if I am not mistaken tumble could have been more or less save already when superbia claimed.
SL is pushing really bad/wrong things this game. But he seems to be very invested when he is here. Not sure about him.
I don't have any particular strong reason to scumread rels. But he is good at mafia. I would not lynch him today probably if only because it's far too much effort to try.
Shape has been scummy to me all game. The only reason I had for thinking he could be town is the mod question thing which could have easily been asked in the scum qt. So far I would lynch him.
On April 21 2016 08:22 justanothertownie wrote: It is not even a very believable rant. I don't think you are stupid enough to misunderstand me saying you should die in a fire to mean anything else than I would like you to die INGAME.
Agree with this. The rage post looks fake, and unwarranted. It's not like Onegu was useful at all this game.
The thing is he posted something similar in the banlist.
On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote: Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events:
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I'm a PR you dipshits.
During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
Ah, so I remembered correctly. Good job little minion.
Shape+Tumble still makes a lot of sense to me and it also makes sense that they would kill rsoultin.
On April 22 2016 01:04 Rels wrote: I won't vote before having time to properly read at least Onegu / JAS / Tumble, so that will be tomorrow while you're all sleeping. BTW just because I'm sleeping while you americans are active doesn't mean I'm inactive, isn't it right SL ? Inactive my ass, I bet I did at least twice as much work as you did at the very minimum. But unless I find something damning, or someone makes a damning case, on someone else, I will probably vote & push Tumble tomorrow. Alright going out, still on my phone. ^^
You are not the only EU player in this game bro. I feel your pain.
On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote: Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events:
On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: Might just vote GB on principle though.
On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote: jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything.
On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote: jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything.
Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game.
On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote: I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want.
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch.
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia.
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME.
On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB.
On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia.
Maybe I will.
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I'm a PR you dipshits.
During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
Ah, so I remembered correctly. Good job little minion.
Shape+Tumble still makes a lot of sense to me and it also makes sense that they would kill rsoultin.
yeah except rels is wrong -_-
so yeah jat, when super claimed, there was one vote on gb and gb had LITERALLY just voted(wish time stamp gave the second XD).
also this post to palmer (in response to plamer saying he would stay on super)
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME.
the actual claim seems to support this chain of events as the "make it clearer" warning implies his earlier post was a claim, or at least a preamble to one.
Super claimed knowing full well that if tumble was his scum part he just killed them both, it is not reasonable to consider a shenanie onto gb in that spot as a likely outcome as gb may very well have been about to get modkilled instead.
point is, with only one vote from jat onto gb WHO AT THE TIME WAS ABOUT TO GET MODKILLED AS HE WAS NOT VOTING(or something, not sure how the rules work XD)
Super made a move that would kill them both on the off chance that gb voted.
also jat is just not scum with super, hes just not. Read their interactions over palmer and the day 1 lynch. I can go into it, but its just not scum on scum / :
It is you who is wrong.
1) GB wouldn't be modkilled for not voting and I assume mafia knew this. 2) GBs vote therefore is not important for this whole matter. 3) It was clear that people would follow me (Palmar said he would sheep me and also said he wouldn't lynch tumble etc. etc.) once super was not happening and I wasn't likely to lynch tumble.
On April 22 2016 01:13 gumshoe wrote: It's like this, if gb had not come back ( which scum could not have known he would) the lynch would have defaulted onto tumble most likely. Thereby triggering the disaster scenario.
Not true at all. We would have lynched GB regardless.
On April 22 2016 00:54 Rels wrote: Leaving work soon, will be on my phone all evening so no big post but I'll be around to react. I'm OK with Tumble / Onegu / JAS. Tumble is waaaay more likely to be scum though. The thing gumshoe bought up about Superbia & him being suicidal D1 doesn't apply for a few reasons: 1. Superbia was RB. Scum's #1 priority is to let him live. Superbia claiming to live over Tumble makes sense. 2. Tumble NEVER voted Superbia, even though he was "scumreading" him, to save his life; but he voted GB, who he had no real opinion on. 3. Reason 1 is true, but it's not even what happened. Here is the sequence of events:
On April 17 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: Might just vote GB on principle though.
On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote: jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything.
On April 17 2016 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:48 Palmar wrote: jat who is mafia? I'll sheep you if you're at all confident in anything.
Not really. Too many people who are just not invested in this game.
On April 17 2016 06:53 justanothertownie wrote: I am sick and tired of having to decide day1 lynches. Voted GB, do what you want.
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: fuck it, I'm staying course on superbia. His rsoultin/gb read post was completely non-sensical, he's taking a lot of weird stances based on literal things without trying to diagnose what may be behind it (look at his thing about fazer. Unless fazer is a good/experienced player it's unlikely he'd admit to just sheeping people as mafia).
I think it's a good lynch.
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia.
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME.
On April 17 2016 06:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm down for yolo'ing onto GB.
On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: his case on me was also terrible.
I encourage people to sheep me on superbia.
Maybe I will.
On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote: I'm a PR you dipshits.
During the minutes before Superbia's fakeclaim, it was quite evident that the fight evolved into Superbia vs GB, not Superbia vs Tumble. So he didn't killed Tumble by claiming, like gumshoe said. Actually it is the opposite. He didn't fakeclaim as long it was a "Tumble vs Superbia" fight, but as soon as it was "GB vs Superbia", he fakeclaimed.
Ah, so I remembered correctly. Good job little minion.
Shape+Tumble still makes a lot of sense to me and it also makes sense that they would kill rsoultin.
yeah except rels is wrong -_-
so yeah jat, when super claimed, there was one vote on gb and gb had LITERALLY just voted(wish time stamp gave the second XD).
also this post to palmer (in response to plamer saying he would stay on super)
Nope. Fuck you.
which happened just before gb voted and implies he was about to claim.
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME.
the actual claim seems to support this chain of events as the "make it clearer" warning implies his earlier post was a claim, or at least a preamble to one.
Super claimed knowing full well that if tumble was his scum part he just killed them both, it is not reasonable to consider a shenanie onto gb in that spot as a likely outcome as gb may very well have been about to get modkilled instead.
point is, with only one vote from jat onto gb WHO AT THE TIME WAS ABOUT TO GET MODKILLED AS HE WAS NOT VOTING(or something, not sure how the rules work XD)
Super made a move that would kill them both on the off chance that gb voted.
also jat is just not scum with super, hes just not. Read their interactions over palmer and the day 1 lynch. I can go into it, but its just not scum on scum / :
It is you who is wrong.
1) GB wouldn't be modkilled for not voting and I assume mafia knew this. 2) GBs vote therefore is not important for this whole matter. 3) It was clear that people would follow me (Palmar said he would sheep me and also said he wouldn't lynch tumble etc. etc.) once super was not happening and I wasn't likely to lynch tumble.
1: expecting town to jump onto a total lurker is a prayer, not a guarantee 2: gbs vote is important as that and his shit post are what really prompted the feeding frenzy 3 this points fair / :
Also just like to emphasize that rb means nothing here if tumble and super are scum. Seriously, getting a scum mate killed to preserve rb with claim is awful and should not be apart of the argument.
My problem with 3 is that it requires scum to be really good at rapidly internalizing the state of the thread, there had been six minutes between your willingness to kill gb and the rumblings of supers claim, it seems a little to quick of a span to write tumble off as safe / :
The thing is you assume mafia is always calm and calculating during all of this. Supers claim could have just aswell been a hail mary and they were just praying that it works out. If tumble and super are both mafia and up for lynch day1 they are in a really bad position anyways.
And to 1: The recent meta is that town always jumps onto a lurker in the last second and if I am already on the case it is very likely that people will follow. Which is why I wrote that post about being sick and tired about having to decide day1 lynches. Because in almost every recent towngame I had to and it is really stressful and not what I am best at.
2: I don't think it was the deciding thing. It may have helped though.
On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum.
I will present you a very easy scenario were all this makes sense.
Suppose you are mafia with tumble.
Rsoul wants to lynch tumble with fire. She also said she could see you being mafia with him. Killing rsoul makes a lot of sense: check.
You didn't care about what happened eod1 at all and vote tumble for some very very weak reason. You don't want to bus the rb and he has claimed a role so it wouldn't even look good to do so. Shape bussing to look good: check.
On April 22 2016 01:38 gumshoe wrote: Sigh, welp that means that unless onegu is the vig and he's massacring us as punishment, obi is telling the truth T-T
That was very likely in the first place dude. And it is really nice because he was a question mark that we do not need to worry about anymore. Him being the vig is the best thing that could have happened.
On April 22 2016 01:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I realize I may have to reconsider my read on tumble due to rso's death.
It's such a weird kill to me considering (imo) it was obvious that she wasn't the doctor and didn't really put mafia in a significantly better spot with her out of the way due to more conftown running around.
The only other reason they could have killed her for if it's not a completely random medic dodge is that they thought she was the vig and considering how she talked about that it is incredibly unlikely.
On April 22 2016 02:47 gumshoe wrote: This is the problem with having onegu as scum, his team mates can just bus him all game and not care at all what happens to him. Onegu could very well be scum with sl jas rels or tumble because they never have to defend him, or rather they simply won't as doing so would be dumb.
Whereas we may or may not find ties between the other 4, we may very well never be able to prove a link to any of them with onegu.
He is a rabid dog who serves his team best by being incredulous and disposable. That coupled with his insane scum reads (me and rsoul for one) his wasted d1 vote and his delayed night reads (and more if you really want to hear about it ) make him a mandatory target for today.
This is all true. The problem is he is a total crapshoot. Regardless of what he flips we won't be any wiser tomorrow and sadly he is the kind of player who doesn't do anything, fucks off and let's his team down as town.
On April 22 2016 02:47 gumshoe wrote: This is the problem with having onegu as scum, his team mates can just bus him all game and not care at all what happens to him. Onegu could very well be scum with sl jas rels or tumble because they never have to defend him, or rather they simply won't as doing so would be dumb.
Whereas we may or may not find ties between the other 4, we may very well never be able to prove a link to any of them with onegu.
He is a rabid dog who serves his team best by being incredulous and disposable. That coupled with his insane scum reads (me and rsoul for one) his wasted d1 vote and his delayed night reads (and more if you really want to hear about it ) make him a mandatory target for today.
This is all true. The problem is he is a total crapshoot. Regardless of what he flips we won't be any wiser tomorrow and sadly he is the kind of player who doesn't do anything, fucks off and let's his team down as town.
Do you wanna deal with the crap shoot now or at Lylo? We can never lynch him again if we mislynch today The game will hinge on what coin the host flipped when he handed out Onegus alignment.
Obviously the counter argument is "don't mislynch today" but onegu doesn't have that bad a shot at flipping scum. The case I made eon 1 is still totally relevant.
We will never have a chance to cross him off again and sucks that were in this position after only one mislynch, but honestly, he has done some scummy shit and he could very well be scum with any of the 4 which don't hurt our odds with him.
If he really ragequit he might actually get modkilled at some point though. I know that is a dangerous assumption but nevertheless.
On April 22 2016 02:47 gumshoe wrote: This is the problem with having onegu as scum, his team mates can just bus him all game and not care at all what happens to him. Onegu could very well be scum with sl jas rels or tumble because they never have to defend him, or rather they simply won't as doing so would be dumb.
Whereas we may or may not find ties between the other 4, we may very well never be able to prove a link to any of them with onegu.
He is a rabid dog who serves his team best by being incredulous and disposable. That coupled with his insane scum reads (me and rsoul for one) his wasted d1 vote and his delayed night reads (and more if you really want to hear about it ) make him a mandatory target for today.
This is all true. The problem is he is a total crapshoot. Regardless of what he flips we won't be any wiser tomorrow and sadly he is the kind of player who doesn't do anything, fucks off and let's his team down as town.
Do you wanna deal with the crap shoot now or at Lylo? We can never lynch him again if we mislynch today The game will hinge on what coin the host flipped when he handed out Onegus alignment.
Obviously the counter argument is "don't mislynch today" but onegu doesn't have that bad a shot at flipping scum. The case I made eon 1 is still totally relevant.
We will never have a chance to cross him off again and sucks that were in this position after only one mislynch, but honestly, he has done some scummy shit and he could very well be scum with any of the 4 which don't hurt our odds with him.
If he really ragequit he might actually get modkilled at some point though. I know that is a dangerous assumption but nevertheless.
If he gets mod killed ill sheep you on whoever, but onegu could very well be spiteful enough to skirt the line.
We lose nothing by at least pressuring him today.
Try to pressure him all you want. Fine by me. But you can't really pressure someone who isn't around.
On April 22 2016 02:20 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Eh, I've have problems with Onegu since D2.
Syspoiois: A lot of what I know of him is missing. He is not pushing anyone, and when he is scum reading people, he wasn't interacting in a way I would think.
I look at him again.
I love how shape wants to look at something but only posts in his other game. Do you even care about this one at all?
On April 22 2016 06:57 sicklucker wrote: Like you cant get mad when your not in my poe list when you hesitated to vote both obvious mafia. your not allowed to be
On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum.
I will present you a very easy scenario were all this makes sense.
Suppose you are mafia with tumble.
Rsoul wants to lynch tumble with fire. She also said she could see you being mafia with him. Killing rsoul makes a lot of sense: check.
You didn't care about what happened eod1 at all and vote tumble for some very very weak reason. You don't want to bus the rb and he has claimed a role so it wouldn't even look good to do so. Shape bussing to look good: check.
Fuck no, I would of voted for super who would of not posed a big chance of getting lynched after the claim. Therefore it is a safe lynch that buys me cred later on than tumble vote due to the reason of voting him (meta).
Fair point with Rsoul, forgot about that lol.
Anyways from a skim point of View so far,
SL is doing that "Look I am town, no really, look I am town. ACCEPT ME AS DAMM TOWN" shit again that he was doing in Storm with the vet claim.
Tumble seems clueless, which makes me like him now a bit. Ironic if he flips scum this game.
acualy I just said I cant be mafia that game and i was telling the truth...
Like if he flips mafia (he will) I cant be scum here.
Like, the thing you have with pushing that being overconfident about the super lynch or the shape lynch today is townie in any way is one of the bad and wrong things I am talking about. Hesitance is townie. Being overconfident is at best really dumb and at worst just caused by the fact that you are bussing and know you are right.
On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum.
I will present you a very easy scenario were all this makes sense.
Suppose you are mafia with tumble.
Rsoul wants to lynch tumble with fire. She also said she could see you being mafia with him. Killing rsoul makes a lot of sense: check.
You didn't care about what happened eod1 at all and vote tumble for some very very weak reason. You don't want to bus the rb and he has claimed a role so it wouldn't even look good to do so. Shape bussing to look good: check.
Fuck no, I would of voted for super who would of not posed a big chance of getting lynched after the claim. Therefore it is a safe lynch that buys me cred later on than tumble vote due to the reason of voting him (meta).
Fair point with Rsoul, forgot about that lol.
Anyways from a skim point of View so far,
SL is doing that "Look I am town, no really, look I am town. ACCEPT ME AS DAMM TOWN" shit again that he was doing in Storm with the vet claim.
Tumble seems clueless, which makes me like him now a bit. Ironic if he flips scum this game.
acualy I just said I cant be mafia that game and i was telling the truth...
Like if he flips mafia (he will) I cant be scum here.
And why would that be again?
Ive explained if your not listening poo you. BUT HERE I GO.
6 PEOPLE VOTED SUPER 5 FLIPPED TOWN.
This means at least 1 mafia voted to save super the roleblocker. So what are the chances the 6th person to vote super. the very person who pushed him the earliest and hardest is not town here. Plz your not this bad. ALl thiese factors together is too much to say im not town after day 2
Bad and wrong once again. Scum almost never votes together. And you also weren't the person who pushed him the earliest or hardest either unless I am mistaken.
On April 22 2016 07:12 justanothertownie wrote: Like, the thing you have with pushing that being overconfident about the super lynch or the shape lynch today is townie in any way is one of the bad and wrong things I am talking about. Hesitance is townie. Being overconfident is at best really dumb and at worst just caused by the fact that you are bussing and know you are right.
how can one be overconfident about their role pm?
Dude... What's the point of this? If you are town then either you are medic and for whatever stupid reason you just want to make sure mafia knows or you try to cover for the medic and this argument is completely worthless.
On April 22 2016 21:01 sicklucker wrote: fyi shapes putting up no fight and is clearly scum. which suggests the third person is someone easy too. Well he had 36 or something hours to defend himself and hes a noshow. I might not even check thread from now till the vote he has had plenty of time..
On April 22 2016 21:01 sicklucker wrote: fyi shapes putting up no fight and is clearly scum. which suggests the third person is someone easy too. Well he had 36 or something hours to defend himself and hes a noshow. I might not even check thread from now till the vote he has had plenty of time..
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
Alright, I am spilling the beans here.
I am shapelog, And i know that you always vote for the survival wagon as town.
On April 17 2016 06:57 JustAnotherScummer wrote: You still are way off tumble then what you feel like and i know as towntumble
On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Might just be me though.
If both his partners were up for lynched, that would explain why it was so hard for him to do anything near deadline. Mm he voted on Tumble though.
On April 17 2016 06:58 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Vote: Tumblewood
Actually he voted 2 minutes before deadline, at a time when it was clear GB was lynched, and if not GB Superbia. Then after the flip he disappeared for 24 hours. Yeah his attitude near EOD1 is very scum indicative.
That's what I brought up multiple times by now. He didn't care for anything else at deadline and voted tumble when it was clear that tumble wasn't the lynch. He completely ignored the claim too.
On April 22 2016 23:17 sicklucker wrote: Like rels how can you see shape has had 4 votes all day clearly been here but not caring. Then go hey na ill just vote tumble.
Right now its like 99% shape 40-50% tumble
Why would you vote tumble so risky
I'll consolidate if needed but I think Tumble is more likely to flip scum than Shape. What is "risky" about that ? And did you even read what I wrote on Tumble last page ?
It's fine. SL is right though - this is disgraceful play if shape is town.
On April 22 2016 23:22 sicklucker wrote: There might be logic that tumble cant be with shape that I want to look into if im not nked. so can we relook tumble tomorrow plz? anyway no way towns lets this obv of a scum go right..? hum
On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum.
this is what I was talking about. ITs very believable he did this to tumble with his wasted vote at the end of day 1. Which is why I want to lynch him first
In other news the last paragraph is really the icing on the cake. If he is best at catching scum while being lynched it is even more damning that he isn't even trying to do that.
On April 22 2016 01:25 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Alright I am here now,
OWS, my normal way of scum hunting is being nick picky in general. It is how I see and process the game. I really can't do much if you had a prob. with why I had sus. on you. I've had them since roughly the middle of the 1st 24 hours of yesterday, and have been asking you why.
Also, Why would I kill Rsoul if I am scum. Ik this is WIFOM, but littirlay she was one of the few who were Town reading me at the time of her death. Also, I am a bus driver, I bus people and have shown that I know how to mutipleit the Vote count to make me look greatly town based off of vote logic (read the mafia qt from Storm, where I voted Rsoul D1, predicting that 3 people would vote for the counter wagon.) I would have come in, voted Super (since the claim, that I would actually know that happen, since he prob. would of told me in the suppose qt) and make up something like "I Had to do this in devil, yet, I was against claiming till I had to, and did not do it last min. That is why I voted super." or something like that.
I will finish catching up, And reread everything. The claim has changed my view, and this is the time that I do best at (being lynched) in terms of looking and catching scum.
this is what I was talking about. ITs very believable he did this to tumble with his wasted vote at the end of day 1. Which is why I want to lynch him first
That last sentence below the bolded is pretty ironic =D
On April 22 2016 23:38 sicklucker wrote: whatever out for realzies. if hes town I hope he dies too because I hate people who leave shit to the last minute. he had 40 hours notice I was voting him today he could have done things
Don't worry. I am just waiting for you to disappear to switch to someone else.
On April 23 2016 00:36 JustAnotherScummer wrote: I just clicked your filter. Quicker that way
On April 22 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:
On April 19 2016 09:06 JustAnotherScummer wrote: Tumblewood - Scum (Super flip might change this)
I don't think you reevaluated Tubme with the infos of the flip. You said he "still felt like crap" then that he was "maybe town" if I didn't miss anything. What did you expect from Superbia's flip ? Did that actually change your read or not ?
In short, it mostly has to do with his interactions with super D1. A flip (with Role) helps me see his things. Thought, tbh, I kinda didn't do that with the "maybe town post".
It had to do with the survival vote idea also. As if he (super) was Rb (A valuable role, with 2 active roles in the game) it is more of a vote for survival for his team, then himself. I thought it would make him scum, as it breaks his survival vote, and a RB getting lynched would explain it. Yet he was against Super early on, and he was really actually deadset on a vig shot on super. On his first what? 5 posts in he said he wanted super to get shot. The post about it came roughly half way through the day, and super wasn't certain to get lynch (AKA, the claim idea prob. wasn't sparked) yet. Therefore, calling for a shot on him that early on seems off.
This post also seems weird from a Scum mindset (I missed it.)
On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote: rels still picking the low-hanging fruit didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read rsoul you have some important questions to answer
protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town
Kinda removes the option to live past Day 3 if he is scum. Especially after the claim later, which would take up another day at least. (And potentially 2, if CC happen, and we lynched CC) he basically put himself in a horrible situation.
Eh, I thought it was a bit weird also he was scum to put him into a position where he literary have no scum reads other than me + the clueless tone a bit.
His dissapence though kinda got me worried a way. Though, even when tumble was getting bussed by me in XIX (when he was dying/scum read), IIRC, he was still posting and contributing.
This first thing about him scumreading / calling for a vig shot on Superbie means nothing. It's not hard for partners to distance themselves. And while scumreading Superbia he attacked rsoul at the same time for her read on Superbia:
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote: I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote: And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
Partner indicator right there. The rsoul read was:
On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote: slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place
Which is a reasonnable and not-so-strong read. It didn't deserve that attack from Tumble quoted above.
This is illogical. THEN, when the things really mattered IE at deadline EOD1, he didn't vote Superbia when (1) he scumread him and (2) it would have been helped him survive over Superbia. So his stance does not match his actions. About the LYLO comment, saying WIFOM stuff like this is totally NAI.
This is a good post. Also the "I usually don't survive" thing is more a "I am lynchbait" comment and serves to make people think of him like that which makes sense regardless of his alignment. Probably more for mafia though.
On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote: tumble shape for the concede
Blah, I would of already concede if my partner is tumble and I am scum here.
Anyways, back at Rels.
I still ponder though about the night kill tho. Yes, Rsoul was onto him (if he is scum) yet, tumble was reading her as one of his 2 lynches. Everyone else was town in his eyes.
The bolded is a lie. I am pretty sure you wouldn't.
On April 23 2016 02:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Jat, forgive me if I missed it but who do you have as scum? I'm assuming tumble/SL or some variant thereof, yes?
How in the world did you miss that? I want to lynch either shape or tumble. Maybe I could be convinced to kill Onegu.
On April 23 2016 03:08 gumshoe wrote: Still though, parking his votes on clear townies is exactly how scumgu plays -_- he also uses tons of life excuses as scum as well.
He also just dropped his read on me and fucked off.
grrrrrrr hate bringing him into end game.
I use life excuses in town games, I am disabled and have a disabled son shit comes up. Like dont use meta, you are bad at it if you are town or you are just making up reads for the fun of it as scum. You have tried to make multiple meta reads on me this game going from town, to sucm to town to scum and it looks fake as hell to me that you actually believe these reads.
I havent fucked off I am around and plan on reading shit before deadline.
Also I have a very good track record as town of actually figuring the game out during lylo.
I don't know where your confidence comes from, but I just want to point out its a lot easier to solve Lylo when your are consistently the scummiest person there.
While this is true there is really no need for further arguments about things that aren't related to this game.
On April 23 2016 04:07 JustAnotherScummer wrote: So, In a way, you just claimed scum by saying you would want us to lynch Onegu/Rels instead of you. Therefore, forcing you to go into Lylo or w/e which would make you scum by your own diction.
You say you will have a ML and that it would be you. You also are certain that I am going to flip scum (which I am not) you haven't really done anything since the "got to find the scum now" and now are ok voting Onegu off because of not wanting him to go into Lylo.
So once I flip town, and ML. Then you will go against Onegu, who honestly has almost nothing in his filter other than a few things. AND you already fucking TR Onegu due to the scum slip thing, which should make you think he is town.
On April 23 2016 03:08 gumshoe wrote: Still though, parking his votes on clear townies is exactly how scumgu plays -_- he also uses tons of life excuses as scum as well.
He also just dropped his read on me and fucked off.
grrrrrrr hate bringing him into end game.
I use life excuses in town games, I am disabled and have a disabled son shit comes up. Like dont use meta, you are bad at it if you are town or you are just making up reads for the fun of it as scum. You have tried to make multiple meta reads on me this game going from town, to sucm to town to scum and it looks fake as hell to me that you actually believe these reads.
I havent fucked off I am around and plan on reading shit before deadline.
Also I have a very good track record as town of actually figuring the game out during lylo.
I don't know where your confidence comes from, but I just want to point out its a lot easier to solve Lylo when your are consistently the scummiest person there.
My confidence comes from a track record of doing so, you should know since you have meta read me right so you should have seen in oh wait thats right you are pulling meta out of your ass. Second I gave people reasons for why my solution was correct pointed out their flaws and why they were scum. I have won multiple games in lylo and lost a few where people didnt listen to me. The sad thing is this game I already know the players in this game wont even listen to what I have to say.
I guarantee you as long as your reasoning is better than "LOL scumslip!!!!!!!!!!111" I will hear you out.
On April 23 2016 04:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think shape actually looks better in this fight than TW does.
Yes he does. Because nothing tumble says has ever any reasoning behind it.
I know - it's really starting to aggravate me.
I think once I am done with some chores I will check how tumble plays as town usually to compare. Good chance I would prefer his lynch over shapes. If only to piss SL off.
On April 23 2016 05:42 gumshoe wrote: Fuck it, strategically onegu is today's best lynch. Jas may very well be getting bussed now. But I doubt that was the case at the games start, that doesn't apply to onegu. We need to know what he is now while we can still afford the hit.
## unvote
##vote onegu
Y'all can vote what you want, im staying on this guy.
Btw, this is sounding more and more like a good idea.
Well, the dude showed up, made sure he didn't get modkilled and left.
The thing I dislike the most about Onegus play (besides his lack of content or interest in getting a good lynch) is how he is riding this stupid scumclaim. The problem is that it wouldn't be the first time that he insists on something silly like that. But to treat me as confirmed town just because of that is just so careless.
As we all know (or at least know) I have either A) been sus. of tumble from the geeko or B) argue a bit for his townieness. I've been flip flopy A bit and I know. So, I will basically give you my most updated read on tumble.
In this case, I shall be proving to you that the defendant, tumblewood, is indeed mafia (mostly likely). I shall start with what convinced me he is scum. This will not be a damm narrative (winks as Rels) this time either, as most of my town cases end up being. Alright, the post that pushed me over the edge:
On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence. It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose. So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine.
I kinda already have spew over this. So I just going to restate the facts a bit more.
Tumble comes in, almost what? 20+ hours since his last post, and posts this. Ok, the timing doesn't mean much. The content of the post however is the major fault.
The first glaring prob. is that he is auguring to defend himself, even before I fucking flip. And already trying to push someone else instead of him. This isn't even tumble's normal "post to sruvuvie" kinda post, and usually those posts are on the day he is getting lynched. Moreover, the fact he is already paranoid about dieing tomorrow makes no sense IMO from a townie mindset.
The next thing is the people he wants to lynch instead of him Rels, and Onegu. Alright, Rels I can understand from read progression (kinda) although, Tumble hasn't really explained anything about why he wants to lynch Rels since he revised his reads other than this:
On April 21 2016 03:04 justanothertownie wrote: Can you explain why you are townreading Onegu?
You don't claim your scum partner scumslipped and confirmed someone else as town (and keep telling everyone to make sure they all know) when clearly no one else saw it as that. It's counterproductive as scum and really useful as town (at least to the townie).
And no other changes has happen to that read that I or anyone knows of. This also shouldn't make Onegu one of his prefer lynches. I have a theory on why this is the case.
He reads the thread, sees that people are sus. of onegu for mutilate reasons, and even steals the "taking Onegu to Lylo" part of multiple peoples reads on Onegu. Dispate, only playing with Onegu before hand in XIX AND basically calling Onegu a high town read.
So the targets (mostly Onegu) don't even line the fuck up with how tumble is seeing the game. Why I was sus. of him earlier (D1)
I was sus. of tumble D1 due to how he was playing, it didn't feel like the tumble I know. Hence why I voted for him. When I later brings this up (I went back to that discussion) Tumble says I can't use meta, for either side of the coin. I made a rebutlte (If I can't, you can't use XIX for meta, yet you have in the past), yet he does not respond ever again. I didn't noticed this actually until now. And at that time I remember me being in his town pool.
Also, people (rels) showed me also how his stance wasn't as strong as I thought. Won't really do into this as this was Rels point and not mine.
He still hasn't gave us anything as of late (and spent most of his time he back either down talking me) about expanding those "Man, I only got 1 scum and 6 town reads" revises outside of Rels, which is pretty shallow to say the least.
Can you explain why it didn't feel like the tumble you know day1?
On April 16 2016 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, since everyone is just going to lurk and do whatever then I hereby nominate myself town leader and godking of the universe.
You are free to fail to contest my title at any time.
The thing is there are reasons to lynch all 3 of them and I really can't be arsed to decide.
I read tumbles filter and skimmed most of his other games. If I had to choose it looks a little more like his scumgame but tbh. it doesn't really look similar to any game he played and he has a way longer filter than ever before. I still liked the way he approached being lynched day1 minus the thing about not lynching his counterwagon which I think is the strongest argument for him to be mafia by far.
nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place
i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things?
because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +
as if that means anything
okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one) palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now
@tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon
care to explain?
I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky.
-squints at- i don't really understand this explanation
what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2?
explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky?
Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2. Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time.
why?
when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
jat is town jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one) palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub
tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now
@tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon
care to explain?
I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky.
-squints at- i don't really understand this explanation
what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2?
explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky?
Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2. Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time.
why?
when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched
okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@
it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super
then
the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them
why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town?
nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon
Those 2 posts just don't make any sense to me at all. And considering this post from Storm:
On April 04 2016 06:52 Tumblewood wrote: I think LS is an iffy lynch but I will go there to save myself.
One would really expect him to vote for his counterwagon. ESPECIALLY since he was scumreading it this time. Oh, and obviously he thinks supers claim was really shitty so even more reason to do so:
On April 19 2016 02:35 Tumblewood wrote: oh see even as I was typing this attacking superbia's shitty claim there is no easier thing to object to
On April 18 2016 05:25 Superbia wrote: If I'm the vigi I'm shooting Palmar.
If I'm the doctor I'm saving Gumshoe.
Yolo.
wow good to know that you're actually not "actually not blue but VT fakeclaiming" but blue not claiming if palmar dies superbia is conftown if superbia dies superbia is dead and flipped if both survive superbia is 99% scum and palmar is whatever ezpz
This post is actually pretty weird if you consider that Palmar really died in the night. Maybe gumshoe was right and scum really did plan some retarded shit with the claim. Seems far fetched but who knows.
As we all know (or at least know) I have either A) been sus. of tumble from the geeko or B) argue a bit for his townieness. I've been flip flopy A bit and I know. So, I will basically give you my most updated read on tumble.
In this case, I shall be proving to you that the defendant, tumblewood, is indeed mafia (mostly likely). I shall start with what convinced me he is scum. This will not be a damm narrative (winks as Rels) this time either, as most of my town cases end up being. Alright, the post that pushed me over the edge:
On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence. It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose. So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine.
I kinda already have spew over this. So I just going to restate the facts a bit more.
Tumble comes in, almost what? 20+ hours since his last post, and posts this. Ok, the timing doesn't mean much. The content of the post however is the major fault.
The first glaring prob. is that he is auguring to defend himself, even before I fucking flip. And already trying to push someone else instead of him. This isn't even tumble's normal "post to sruvuvie" kinda post, and usually those posts are on the day he is getting lynched. Moreover, the fact he is already paranoid about dieing tomorrow makes no sense IMO from a townie mindset.
The next thing is the people he wants to lynch instead of him Rels, and Onegu. Alright, Rels I can understand from read progression (kinda) although, Tumble hasn't really explained anything about why he wants to lynch Rels since he revised his reads other than this:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later.
Which honestly really isn't enough IMO for a lynch but w.e I am not tumble.
Onegu on the other hand was TR by Tumble. Explanation:
On April 21 2016 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 03:04 justanothertownie wrote: Can you explain why you are townreading Onegu?
You don't claim your scum partner scumslipped and confirmed someone else as town (and keep telling everyone to make sure they all know) when clearly no one else saw it as that. It's counterproductive as scum and really useful as town (at least to the townie).
And no other changes has happen to that read that I or anyone knows of. This also shouldn't make Onegu one of his prefer lynches. I have a theory on why this is the case.
He reads the thread, sees that people are sus. of onegu for mutilate reasons, and even steals the "taking Onegu to Lylo" part of multiple peoples reads on Onegu. Dispate, only playing with Onegu before hand in XIX AND basically calling Onegu a high town read.
So the targets (mostly Onegu) don't even line the fuck up with how tumble is seeing the game. Why I was sus. of him earlier (D1)
I was sus. of tumble D1 due to how he was playing, it didn't feel like the tumble I know. Hence why I voted for him. When I later brings this up (I went back to that discussion) Tumble says I can't use meta, for either side of the coin. I made a rebutlte (If I can't, you can't use XIX for meta, yet you have in the past), yet he does not respond ever again. I didn't noticed this actually until now. And at that time I remember me being in his town pool.
Also, people (rels) showed me also how his stance wasn't as strong as I thought. Won't really do into this as this was Rels point and not mine.
He still hasn't gave us anything as of late (and spent most of his time he back either down talking me) about expanding those "Man, I only got 1 scum and 6 town reads" revises outside of Rels, which is pretty shallow to say the least.
Can you explain why it didn't feel like the tumble you know day1?
On April 17 2016 06:59 justanothertownie wrote: Wtf where is this tumble vote from shaoe coming from?
Meta, Sorry i couldn't explain (I had to blast) but I can now.
As someone who has played scum with him, against him, and as town buddies, I kinda starting to understand Tumble. I was actually planning on coming forth with my identity (because I am the only one who would have that experience) earlier, but RL was a bitch.
Basically, Let me give you a quick synopsis of how he plays. Tumble usually is a low content poster, who most of the time, respond with questions or makes a statement. His filter, as town, is usually low in fluff, and if it has fluff, it usually is still paired with content of some degree (his noir theme posts for example.)
He also is pretty "cocky" if that is the word. Kinda smart ass too at times. rarely he will enter humor posts as town, and more so as scum (IIRC, he did this is ikido in the first scum game.)
And he usually always votes for survival too, like always. Which he really should of here, considering the person was a scum read of his before the wagons got close. usually he goes "Alright, I am survival voting X." Even if it is a meh read of his. Again, the only time I never seen him do it is when he is scum (though, this point really should be taken with a bit of salt about the scum thing, as he and I did it for a distance play)
I am just not getting the usual towny vibes i get from him when I am town and he is as well. Though i did click on his filter, and he has a 5 page filter, which i think is more than he had day 4 of any game lol.
Not Survival voting (reason why I even said I was Shape) Tone things Posting pattern Overall vibes tbh.
On April 16 2016 10:26 Tumblewood wrote: Oh Onegu is one of those people who prefers talking about how great they are to playing the game Yeah I'm not reading him until he actually has content
So now tumble you are going to answer the content part of this question I am asking you too.
I like this old post better than your newer case tbh. I think your description of his meta is pretty on point.
On April 23 2016 06:35 Onegu wrote: Calling it right now Tumble, Gumshoe scum team
Onegu has been told that I'm basically confirmed town this game,he knows how much he gets mislynched, with these two facts in mind he continues to be brutally obtuse.
Dis guy scum peepels
Told by SL, and people can change their meta when it is a activity based meta read. That doesnt make you confirmed god damn town.
And how can you keep saying it is bad when at least one other person has said they see what I see
He typed lol before that -_- and he might be scum.
Here's some stuff,
Jas is probs not scum with tumble, given the effort put I to his tumble case currently
Rels isn't scum with tumble, given how he convinced jat why he wasn't confirmed town
Sl isn't getting lynched today it seems,
So that leves onegu..... Whose already a great lynch cause he's scummy and he could be scum with anyone
Damn you jat "gumshoe get the fuck back"= ignore gumshoe.
Sorry, but all I see you doing right now is bashing Onegu and regardless of the fact if it is warranted or not it doesn't help me solve this game.
On April 23 2016 06:35 Onegu wrote: Calling it right now Tumble, Gumshoe scum team
Onegu has been told that I'm basically confirmed town this game,he knows how much he gets mislynched, with these two facts in mind he continues to be brutally obtuse.
Dis guy scum peepels
Told by SL, and people can change their meta when it is a activity based meta read. That doesnt make you confirmed god damn town.
And how can you keep saying it is bad when at least one other person has said they see what I see
He typed lol before that -_- and he might be scum.
Here's some stuff,
Jas is probs not scum with tumble, given the effort put I to his tumble case currently
Rels isn't scum with tumble, given how he convinced jat why he wasn't confirmed town
Sl isn't getting lynched today it seems,
So that leves onegu..... Whose already a great lynch cause he's scummy and he could be scum with anyone
Damn you jat "gumshoe get the fuck back"= ignore gumshoe.
Sorry, but all I see you doing right now is bashing Onegu and regardless of the fact if it is warranted or not it doesn't help me solve this game.
I still think tumbles town based off that day 1 vote, you poked one hole and like you always do you disregarded everything I said so you could get back to read townies as scum for mistakes.
I've added plenty of reasons why onegu is scummy based off play, why his meta does not clear him and somewhat Indiets him, why were better off without him, why he has a high chance of bieng scum as he doesn't have to fit any association read, why the way the lynch is going suggests at the very least jas is town but more so that onegu is scum, why going into Lylo with him is a bad idea but sure, all that amounts to onegu bashing. sigh
Didn't you just say tumble could very well be mafia with onegu so lynch onegu?
On April 23 2016 06:57 Tumblewood wrote: shape said "tumble did't vote for survival" and i felt like if i switched he would just yell at me for onlyswitching then
On April 23 2016 07:07 Tumblewood wrote: Wtf How does mafia even work I thought I was dead and Shape was somehow going to win Nope Shape is VT and dead Wtf
.... I saw that. If I fell for some shitty acting from you I will be really salty.
On April 23 2016 07:08 gumshoe wrote: I hate you all, the feel of that lynch was all wrong. You wasted our 1 extra lynch on jas who wasn't even that bad, and tommorow your going to ignore me again and lynch tumble, can't wait.
You could have voted tumble instead if you thought jas was such a bad lynch. Then he would still be alive.
On April 23 2016 07:08 gumshoe wrote: I hate you all, the feel of that lynch was all wrong. You wasted our 1 extra lynch on jas who wasn't even that bad, and tommorow your going to ignore me again and lynch tumble, can't wait.
You could have voted tumble instead if you thought jas was such a bad lynch. Then he would still be alive.
Dude is scum and wanted a mislynch.
JAT I will make a actual case for you so you can read it with quotes and everything. You told me you would actually read it. May be in a day or 2 because weekend but I will have it in time to be talked about before deadline.
I seriously hope mafia puts me out of my misery first. But knowing my luck this game they are probably too chicken for that.
On April 23 2016 07:08 gumshoe wrote: I hate you all, the feel of that lynch was all wrong. You wasted our 1 extra lynch on jas who wasn't even that bad, and tommorow your going to ignore me again and lynch tumble, can't wait.
You could have voted tumble instead if you thought jas was such a bad lynch. Then he would still be alive.
Cause I still think tumble is town, based off that day 1, you never convinced me otherwise and you never will,
I said that shit about onegu bieng tumbles partner because in your world, onegu is the most likely other scummer if you give it half a brains thought.
Which means onegu was the best bet regardless of which one of us was right.
Cool. You have 3 days to convince the thread to lynch Onegu. Don't fail us!
On April 23 2016 07:33 gumshoe wrote: Shitty jat fact 132: one time jat made it to 3p Lylo and couldn't make up his mind about who was scum, so he just lynched them both.
On April 23 2016 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: I just can't be bothered to decide between 3 people who refuse to play the game for 4/5 of the day they might be lynched anymore.
I wish you had all this apathy 10 minutes ago when I was begging you to sheep me. Now it's just salt in the wound.
Don't worry. I just regret switching back to shape. And even had I voted Onegu it wouldn't have made a difference.
On April 23 2016 07:19 justanothertownie wrote: I just can't be bothered to decide between 3 people who refuse to play the game for 4/5 of the day they might be lynched anymore.
I wish you had all this apathy 10 minutes ago when I was begging you to sheep me. Now it's just salt in the wound.
Don't worry. I just regret switching back to shape. And even had I voted Onegu it wouldn't have made a difference.
Yeah, I realized that ) : still really nice to have someone to be mad at besides myself.
Shitty jat fact 425: jat once made a case so awesome, that everyone who read it instantly conceded. Unfortunately jat also lost that game because he was jester.
On April 23 2016 07:07 Tumblewood wrote: Wtf How does mafia even work I thought I was dead and Shape was somehow going to win Nope Shape is VT and dead Wtf
I love how this is all you had to say after that flip.
On April 23 2016 12:26 gumshoe wrote: I believed in obi sl because it was beautiful, perfect even, was I wrong to want for perfection? but I see the truth of this game now, and it is as ugly as jats opinion of everyone who isn't him.
Bro, you are overdoing it now.
If you are so mad then you should have pushed Onegu earlier and harder instead of just bashing his general play.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
On April 24 2016 00:55 gumshoe wrote: I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me.
If super is mafia with onegu and tumble they wete screwed either way day1 since 2 of the were ztge wagons and the ither one onegu. Might aswell try something then.
On April 24 2016 00:55 gumshoe wrote: I refuse to believe that super would claim with a tumble lynch on the table, especially if his team mates were onegu and tumble, because that flat out means he had no control over the lynch.
If tumble had been lynched, super would die the next day, onegu soon after.
It is an awful play that makes no sense no matter how much you insult me.
I'm not insulting bro calm down :p I don't know how you cannot see this but to me it is pretty clear it was GB vs superbia at the time of the fakeclaim. But I see you've made up your mind about it
I feel the same way about what I'm saying XD I see what your saying, just as you evidently see what I'm saying and dont find it that compelling.
I dont think a scum tumble would waffle on super in that spot just to save rb, that seems like a huge self sacrifice for someone who clearly wanted to play the game, just to save a role that could very well be worthless.
I especially dont think super would claim in that spot if onegu is his team mate, as tumble getting lynched would spell gg for them.
You have points, but I simply dont agree, I see them, I just can easily interpret other reasons for tumbles behavior as he was acting derpy anyways regardless of alignment.
There is enough doubt regarding him he is def worth saving for lylo, where things will be easier to interpret. Which is why I am pushing 1gu so hard / :
The only paragraph I might currently agree with is the last one.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
I did not say SL looks bad. And how on earth would you know we lose if you follow me when you do not even know what I will be pushing? What's the point of constantly shitting on my play? Why don't you complain about Obi or SL who both also voted shape and never switched? Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways.
sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways.
sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this.
Sl does not look bad at all / :
I did not say SL looks bad. And how on earth would you know we lose if you follow me when you do not even know what I will be pushing? What's the point of constantly shitting on my play? Why don't you complain about Obi or SL who both also voted shape and never switched?
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
I did not say SL looks bad. And how on earth would you know we lose if you follow me when you do not even know what I will be pushing? What's the point of constantly shitting on my play? Why don't you complain about Obi or SL who both also voted shape and never switched? Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways.
sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this.
Sl does not look bad at all / :
I'll stop shitting, your right, theres no point, but I am fairly sure you'll be pushing tumble, so yeah from my view that would mean gg.
I've given obi and sl a break, they deserve it after escaping from the ruins of my case.
The only way that is gg for you is if you are 100 % certain it is one of Rels and SL btw.
The thing that annoys me about your tumble read is that you completely ignore the rest of his play just because of that one little thing you think makes him town when we showed you that is is actually possible that it doesn't.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
I did not say SL looks bad. And how on earth would you know we lose if you follow me when you do not even know what I will be pushing? What's the point of constantly shitting on my play? Why don't you complain about Obi or SL who both also voted shape and never switched? Lynch me for it if it bothers you, may as well, well lose if we do what you say anyways.
sl jumping on rb that early is townie actually now that I view it without theory goggles. And I went into a few of his scum games and they are very different from this.
Sl does not look bad at all / :
I'll stop shitting, your right, theres no point, but I am fairly sure you'll be pushing tumble, so yeah from my view that would mean gg.
I've given obi and sl a break, they deserve it after escaping from the ruins of my case.
The only way that is gg for you is if you are 100 % certain it is one of Rels and SL btw.
I am 100 percent tumble is town.
Cool. Makes no sense to me but if you say so. If you want me to buy that then make a case on either SL or Rels because if you are town then there is at least one mafia in there.
On April 24 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: The thing that annoys me about your tumble read is that you completely ignore the rest of his play just because of that one little thing you think makes him town when we showed you that is is actually possible that it doesn't.
This is a case of a hole bieng used to bring down a dam, did it introduce a possibility of it not confirming tumble? Yes, was it a large one? Absolutely not.
scum claim with any chance of tumble dying is not a viable move.
With an onegu tumble super scum team, they had no control over the lynch, so even if they thought gb was going to die (which ive shown isnt all that likely) the chance of tumble dying makes it totally not worthwhile.
Yes, I understand your argument. I just don't agree that it makes him 100 % town. Mafia has done weirder things in the past.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
how did I know you were gonna rage about that post rofl
For the obvious reasons + the fact that it is complete and utter bullshit would be my guess.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
bullshit. I knew I was not going to be around for the flip and I voted the person who I thought was most likely scum. I was right. I mean I was pretty confident I just played scum with him...
Yeah, and then he claimed a blue role at deadline. Which makes people who are actually there unvote. If he didn't do that he would have been lynched day1.
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
at least I had a horse in the race and didnt ask 2 or 3 people who to vote
On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote: We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.
Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.
Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?
Where the fuck has SL been more on point? Because he voted super day1? The only reason he stayed there is that he wasn't around for the flip. Besides that he called shape confirmed mafia which I never did. So I call bullshit on that. Your shit about me is really getting old.
at least I had a horse in the race and didnt ask 2 or 3 people who to vote
On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing.
So ... much ... bullshit.
If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.
And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing.
So ... much ... bullshit.
If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.
And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
but if he failed he would know your scum from meta?
No? Because it has nothing to do with my meta at all.
On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing.
So ... much ... bullshit.
If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.
And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
ya im sure it was really hard to fool palmar for the 15 minutes he played the game. god syndrome much?
Palmar read the thread and played the game. Even if he wasn't the only way your god syndrome comment was appropriate is if I am mafia because I explicitly said that I would NOT be able to fool him like this.
But it should not surprise me that you are unable to read/comprehend posts.
On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing.
So ... much ... bullshit.
If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.
And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
ya im sure it was really hard to fool palmar for the 15 minutes he played the game. god syndrome much?
Its JAT... why are you surprised about this...
I mean... Even if palmars the greatest mafai player in the 9 universes he wont figure out jats alignment when he glazed over the thread and didnt play..
He clearly did play in the end though. And even if he didn't he wouldn't give me a townread like that without being sure about it. That's just not what he does.
On April 24 2016 03:13 sicklucker wrote: ok we can stop fighting about who is more confirmed town now. but you of all people can understand my nit picking when all game you put doubt on me afking voting the mafia power role when he was in danger when everyone who voted him at any point in the game flipped town (aka no bus). In the very very unlikely chance were in final 3 trying to lynch each other we can get back at it.
Onegu if your scum you need to stop pushing this pathetic gumdrop world so the games challenging and fun
Dude posting more as scum is one of the easier metas to break and he is only making shit up. Like I am not the only one to see this Shape saw it right before he died. Obi is starting to see it.
You need to make an awesome case to convince me about this because I really don't see it. Gumshoes behaviour starting yesterday was incredibly weird but not necessarily scummy and before that he was clearly invested/thinking about the game posting things that weren't surface level. Pretty impressive if he did all that as scum when his scum meta is basically make a few big posts and lurk away.
On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing.
So ... much ... bullshit.
If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.
And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
but if he failed he would know your scum from meta?
No? Because it has nothing to do with my meta at all.
On April 24 2016 02:56 sicklucker wrote:
On April 24 2016 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing.
So ... much ... bullshit.
If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.
And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
ya im sure it was really hard to fool palmar for the 15 minutes he played the game. god syndrome much?
Palmar read the thread and played the game. Even if he wasn't the only way your god syndrome comment was appropriate is if I am mafia because I explicitly said that I would NOT be able to fool him like this.
But it should not surprise me that you are unable to read/comprehend posts.
im saying you think palmars a god
ROFL
Sure thing. I envision him as some kind of nordic viking god.
On April 24 2016 03:13 sicklucker wrote: ok we can stop fighting about who is more confirmed town now. but you of all people can understand my nit picking when all game you put doubt on me afking voting the mafia power role when he was in danger when everyone who voted him at any point in the game flipped town (aka no bus). In the very very unlikely chance were in final 3 trying to lynch each other we can get back at it.
Onegu if your scum you need to stop pushing this pathetic gumdrop world so the games challenging and fun
Dude posting more as scum is one of the easier metas to break and he is only making shit up. Like I am not the only one to see this Shape saw it right before he died. Obi is starting to see it.
even if I read his filter and decided he was scum torm its very unlikely we would have the votes. The other three have been pretty against it so im not even going bother giving him a second look probably
On April 24 2016 03:53 sicklucker wrote: Yes but you have a partner and no one but onegu wants to kill you. Even if I was pretty sure you were scum in this scenerio I would still go after your partner first. And I barely think your scum
On April 24 2016 05:18 gumshoe wrote: Also like Onegu he immediately distances himself from super for the rest of the game because scum know he's dead for sure, which is something I have missed till now, supers scum mates know for sure hes dead cause they already know how everything will play out, so right immediately after day 1 its buss buss city.
I said that all fucking game and you just missed that?
Like SL and Rels both attacked me in the most moronic way possible for not ruling out that super could be real and I explained multiple times that scum was in full bus mode since day1. And you just realize that now? And you have the nerve to yell at me all day? Ok, gumshoe. Ok.
Just don't rule anyone out because he "played a good game" or some shit. I really don't think gumshoe is mafia but I could be wrong don't just ignore everything people might bring up. Would be a very very impressive scumgame for him though. Seems unlikely.
SL needs to be reevaluated depending on who really is the medic. Rels has been less invested recently methinks. Don't sleep on him.
On April 24 2016 07:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Wait, what? SL has been softing medic literally all game.
Yeah, and so obvious that noone would ever believe it. Do you believe him as mafia when he starts pushing this thought more and more during the night? So dumb. Unfortunetely gumshoe softed too when the question about the medic was clarified by the host.
On April 24 2016 07:06 sicklucker wrote: idk I did it last time I was a medic it was hillarious. im not really surprised im alive tho if thats what you mean. Damn I was really hoping one of onegu or rels was the medic but nope there just mafia
I was hoping that too. The best case would have been: youdie in the night and aren't the medic + gumshoe is not the medic because he was the only really sure townie. This is more or less the worst case-
On April 24 2016 07:06 sicklucker wrote: idk I did it last time I was a medic it was hillarious. im not really surprised im alive tho if thats what you mean. Damn I was really hoping one of onegu or rels was the medic but nope there just mafia
I was hoping that too. The best case would have been: youdie in the night and aren't the medic + gumshoe is not the medic because he was the only really sure townie. This is more or less the worst case-
On April 24 2016 07:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Wait, what? SL has been softing medic literally all game.
Yeah, and so obvious that noone would ever believe it. Do you believe him as mafia when he starts pushing this thought more and more during the night? So dumb. Unfortunetely gumshoe softed too when the question about the medic was clarified by the host.
i didnt even bring it up at night except at the five minute mark?. I think you did once for me. I mean it was obvious I was not the medic today but that play has worked on day two before. I just tried to convince scum that I was trying some refuse psychology to keep me in the medic possible pool and its something I have actually done as scum
What we immediately see is that the push on GB was not started by mafia. Superbia jumped onto it pretty late and the only other possibly mafia here is Tumble. Superbia voted to survive here. Sickluckers vote on Super is still a big + for him.
Rels voted Tumble (and also pushed him pretty hard later on) which makes a world of those 2 less likely.
From this votecount the most likely team is actually either Onegu+Rels or Onegu+Tumble.
Currently Superbia is set to be lynched until deadline.
The only thing to note here is that Onegu is the only possible mafia who voted super early which is somewhat surprising to me. Doesn't really have to mean anything though. They can just be lazy.
So this votecount is also interesting. It was really close between Tumble and Shape but if Tumble was mafia the only possible buddy who helped him is SL. Rels and Onegu both voted him instead. So unless mafia was hardbussing yesterday (Tumble would have been the lynch if I hadn't switched) or it is SL this vc in combination with day1 points to Rels+Onegu.
On April 24 2016 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyone here?
Yes, now I am.
Cool. Do we actually have any reason to leave Onegu alone today?
Working on it. So far nope. But you should still put in a little effort - you are the laziest confirmed town since coag. :p
It's not like it takes a wall to recall what happened in this game so far. Onegu has no reads going into lylo, voted rso day 1 for terrible reasons and has no interest in doing anything regarding figuring this game out.
I could wall up and be all fancy and junk, but the reality is that there's no point.
On April 24 2016 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyone here?
Yes, now I am.
Cool. Do we actually have any reason to leave Onegu alone today?
Working on it. So far nope. But you should still put in a little effort - you are the laziest confirmed town since coag. :p
It's not like it takes a wall to recall what happened in this game so far. Onegu has no reads going into lylo, voted rso day 1 for terrible reasons and has no interest in doing anything regarding figuring this game out.
I could wall up and be all fancy and junk, but the reality is that there's no point.
Then look for mafia nr 2.
Still probably tumble.
The only really dangerous world I see would be SL and Rels. I seriously hope that's just not the case.
I am still wondering what the day1 stuff means. Was mafia just praying we would start something so save super once he fakeclaimed? Because only town did anything about it. Maybe gumshoe was right about the tumble thing.
On April 25 2016 01:09 justanothertownie wrote: I am still wondering what the day1 stuff means. Was mafia just praying we would start something so save super once he fakeclaimed? Because only town did anything about it. Maybe gumshoe was right about the tumble thing.
What do you make of it?
I completely forgot what gumshoe said about it. I'll double check.
Gumshoe said Tumble could never be mafia because if super fakeclaimed tumble would be lynched and they sacrificed 2 mafia at once. But I didn't mean his reasoning because I still don't really agree with it.
It seems to me like there is some logic to either prove tumble is town or mafia from the day1 vc. I just don't really see it so far. Not enough coffee maybe.
On April 25 2016 01:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I will concede that I've been writing tumble off because he sounded like lynchbait every single time he talked - I've been in that position so many times that it's like "hey, he's just like me!" but the rso kill probably points to tumble more than anything else aside from him not voting super to save himself.
rsou was just a medic target. she kind of looked like the medic even I thought she was
At this point you had already softed medic quite hard and gumshoe too. Unless i am mistaken.
So that would be a very weird shot if they tried to kill the medic.
Yeah, there is a prominent lack of reasoning in general. I didn't reread his whole filter yet but the copout explanation for his way too strong superbia read was "his rolepm". Funny how that can only be a mafia role pm :p
On April 25 2016 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm paranoid of Jat again.
It would be much easier for you if you just accepted the obvious fact that I am town and worked from there. Let's face it - if I am mafia you aren't winning the game anyways and noone else is even putting in anay effort at all. Not to mention my interactions with super. Not to mention how every single nightkill had me as their top townread.
If you want to you can waste your time tinfoiling about but if you want to win this game you shouldn't.
On April 25 2016 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's fine actually - leaves me to pursue my onegu/SL team.
I don't really think it is SL tbh. will elaborate in a minute. I should check his last games again. From this game he COULD be mafia and if he is he can be with anyone of the other 3 (there is nothing that makes it impossible for him to be with Onegu/Rels/Tumble) but if I had to decide I would say he is town.
I still do not like these posts from early day1. The Palmar thing is pure bullshit (I pointed that out when it happened too) and the second post is just weird. Why does he expect to be scummy later on?
On April 15 2016 17:42 Palmar wrote: I am happy with my vote. Rsoultin has 81% chance of flipping mafia here.
like wut this is after 3 posts. Maybe palmar just saw 3 town votes and decided to make up reasons to scum read her later lol
On April 16 2016 09:45 sicklucker wrote: This is my town game trying to lower my meta so I can win games as mafia I wouldnt be too exited
The following post about fazers is still completely unbelievable. Yes, I admit he said fazers is likely town because of the vc but "top townread"? And "easy to read" when the only thing he has to read him is his vote? Come on. Might just be misplaced SL ego though.
I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense.
I think this is the closest jat has come this game to agreeing with anyone this game and hes still telling me im wrong XD
still, i'll take it as a good sign. I am an optimist.
no this is probably why hes scum. hes trying to pocket you. the jat I know would never agree with your crazy theorys and probably bring you to tears for making the posts you made.
he didnt agree he still thinks im wrong probs XD
he would destroy you and eat your babies
you know Sick, just want you to know regardless of your alignment, I am rather enjoying you this game : D you is a good guy (even though your a bad guy XD)
thanks! now lynch tumble/onegu/jat with me and we win the game!
On April 21 2016 07:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Oh, and shapelog is like 3 million percent mafia and needs to die immediately.
ya I agree I hes who im on right now with only two pages left to read. All my town reads say its him tbh and now your confirmed. even gumdrop is saying its shape without realizing hes saying its shape its wonderful
Because from his filter it doesn't make any sense unless the "my townreads are thinking this" is literally the only reason he has. And rsoultin for example didn't even scumread shape.
Those are decent finds and posts though:
On April 21 2016 10:05 sicklucker wrote: Like we know mafia voted to save super day one. This is not a theory this is a FACT since 5 people who voted against super flipped town in this game and the last one is me.
This is a fucking fact. when the vote was 2-2 for super/tumble rels voted tumble and never changed. No one else has as bad a vote day one and I have no reason to townread rels. He knows I cant be lynched as town and hard defended me day one when I didnt play which I expect him to do as mafia.
On April 17 2016 04:05 Rels wrote: Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia.
On April 16 2016 21:55 Superbia wrote: Actually why not.
##vote: rsoultin
Let's see what this brings.
Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum
but somehow votes to save him?
So, I didn't find much in his filter that really implicates him or even any associations that make it likely/unlikely for him to be mafia with anyone else. He also isn't as easy to read on activity as gumshoe for example. He always has a big filter as mafia. He was too sure about Super without being mafia. On the other hand why bother with the whole medic softing business as scum? On average I would say it is kinda towny. He has his vote on super going for him. Unless he was lurking in the shadows to switch if necessary that was really risky.
IF he is mafia he can easily be with all 3 other suspect sadly. He voted to save tumble yesterday. He has 0 really meaningful interactions with any of them.
On April 25 2016 05:53 Rels wrote: The sl posts on me are not good find since I didn't vote to save superbia, I voted to lynch tumble. Once again, tumble and superbia were my two scumreads d1. Tumble was around before eod1. If he had been super townie, I would have been forced to vote my partner or find a shitty reason not to do that. If I was partner with superbia, I basically forced myself into a situation where if tumble is town and hadn't make a huge mistake eod1, I was in a bad situation. I would never do that in the first place. Apart from that I agree sl is townie, but because he's playing his town meta which I know he has a hard time replicating
This doesn't convince me. Tumble arguably WAS pretty townie in the end. But you still did not vote superbia. Sure, if you are town you did vote to kill tumble and not to save superbia but we can't analyze you assuming you are town from the start.
On April 25 2016 05:57 sicklucker wrote: I called fazers my top town read before he flipped. I didnt just make that up jat.
What I said was my top 3 towns all voted super day one so hes obviously mafia. The three people who voted super day one were me fazzers and rstoulin. So yes I called him my top town before and after his flip so its not "bullshit"
It is. But it's pointless to argue over this. It doesn't make you town or mafia.
On April 25 2016 05:53 Rels wrote: The sl posts on me are not good find since I didn't vote to save superbia, I voted to lynch tumble. Once again, tumble and superbia were my two scumreads d1. Tumble was around before eod1. If he had been super townie, I would have been forced to vote my partner or find a shitty reason not to do that. If I was partner with superbia, I basically forced myself into a situation where if tumble is town and hadn't make a huge mistake eod1, I was in a bad situation. I would never do that in the first place. Apart from that I agree sl is townie, but because he's playing his town meta which I know he has a hard time replicating
This doesn't convince me. Tumble arguably WAS pretty townie in the end. But you still did not vote superbia. Sure, if you are town you did vote to kill tumble and not to save superbia but we can't analyze you assuming you are town from the start.
Tumble made up a reason to explain something he said previously. You could arguee maybe that a townie could do it, but no way can you say that it is townie
That happened like mid day. I am talking about his posting eod.
On April 25 2016 06:01 justanothertownie wrote: Gumshoe has been playing mafia on this site for longer than any of us.
so? to me he was a new player same thing. im talking about reading new players to me.
Oh yeah?
On April 23 2016 16:03 sicklucker wrote: Im not that sold on tumble as I have ignored him for alot of the game as I pretty much always do to new players because I find it easier to focus on players I have played more with.
On April 25 2016 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: He was a main lynch target on BOTH days we actually had a contested lynch and you weren't really interested in figuring him out?
i mostly took gumdrops logic that he was town. I planned to read his filter now but you guys are yelling at me right now
Don't let me stop you from doing work. Regardless of your alignment right now you are making yourself scummier with every post you make anyways.
On April 25 2016 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: He was a main lynch target on BOTH days we actually had a contested lynch and you weren't really interested in figuring him out?
i mostly took gumdrops logic that he was town. I planned to read his filter now but you guys are yelling at me right now
Don't let me stop you from doing work. Regardless of your alignment right now you are making yourself scummier with every post you make anyways.
im confirmed town whats that matter?
No, sadly you aren't confirmed town at all. That would be great.
On April 25 2016 06:13 sicklucker wrote: Like i will throw this game if you guys keep calling me scum and I wont even really feel bad about it. We need to talk about onegu and rels right now
On April 25 2016 06:15 sicklucker wrote: let me explain how this is saposed to play out. The guy who voted and killed mafia on day one with 5 other confirmed towns and 0 other people (aka no bus) is going to ask qeustions to the people who voted to save that said mafia
On April 25 2016 06:17 sicklucker wrote: like jat this is why rels is not town. Hes asking me dumb qeustions making me look bad and not the fucking people up for lynch
Maybe. The thing is unless Tumble and Onegu are the mafia team it is scums win condition to mislynch the one of them who isn't.
On April 25 2016 06:17 sicklucker wrote: like jat this is why rels is not town. Hes asking me dumb qeustions making me look bad and not the fucking people up for lynch
Maybe. The thing is unless Tumble and Onegu are the mafia team it is scums win condition to mislynch the one of them who isn't.
but in most of those worlds onegu is still mafia. we have tomorrow for that shit
From your perspective if you are town that is more or less true, yes. Unless tumble got bussed yesterday.
On April 25 2016 06:26 sicklucker wrote: but do you guys wanna know a good reason why onegus mafia to me right now? because only one person seems willing to join his wagon right now. If theres two mafia I expect 3 votes on onegu.
Not true.
Your vote is on him. Tumble voted him. Obi and I both said he would be our lynch for now.
On April 25 2016 06:26 sicklucker wrote: but do you guys wanna know a good reason why onegus mafia to me right now? because only one person seems willing to join his wagon right now. If theres two mafia I expect 3 votes on onegu.
Not true.
Your vote is on him. Tumble voted him. Obi and I both said he would be our lynch for now.
So in essence the only person who could possibly be unwilling to join Onegus wagon besides Onegu is Rels.
On April 25 2016 06:26 sicklucker wrote: but do you guys wanna know a good reason why onegus mafia to me right now? because only one person seems willing to join his wagon right now. If theres two mafia I expect 3 votes on onegu.
Not true.
Your vote is on him. Tumble voted him. Obi and I both said he would be our lynch for now.
So in essence the only person who could possibly be unwilling to join Onegus wagon besides Onegu is Rels.
ya which is who I think his partner is hum. but no ones actually voted people are keeping their options open. obi is town so he does not count in this. 3 of the people who could be mafia have not voted
The day isn't even half over. So far I read 1 of the 4 peoples filter. Why the fuck would I vote right now?
On April 25 2016 06:33 sicklucker wrote: Jat obi just came out and said he suspects me of thinking im mafia. is it just a coincidence rels starts attacking me? obi + 2 mafia votes is three votes on me. Really only one or two towns need to vote wrong for maiai to lose
Obi is far more likely to vote Onegu than you. And I am pretty sure I can convince him to change his mind if necessary. So since I am town you are lucky.
On April 25 2016 06:26 sicklucker wrote: but do you guys wanna know a good reason why onegus mafia to me right now? because only one person seems willing to join his wagon right now. If theres two mafia I expect 3 votes on onegu.
Not true.
Your vote is on him. Tumble voted him. Obi and I both said he would be our lynch for now.
So in essence the only person who could possibly be unwilling to join Onegus wagon besides Onegu is Rels.
ya which is who I think his partner is hum. but no ones actually voted people are keeping their options open. obi is town so he does not count in this. 3 of the people who could be mafia have not voted
The day isn't even half over. So far I read 1 of the 4 peoples filter. Why the fuck would I vote right now?
well you had 36 hours at least to think about it since shape flipped town. I voted. I could change my vote. Its not like you vote and you have to stay on your vote? that sounds like an excuse
You defeated your own argument. Indeed you can change your vote at any point in time so why is it any better to vote right now? The answer is: it doesn't matter at all.
On April 25 2016 06:33 sicklucker wrote: Jat obi just came out and said he suspects me of thinking im mafia. is it just a coincidence rels starts attacking me? obi + 2 mafia votes is three votes on me. Really only one or two towns need to vote wrong for maiai to lose
Obi is far more likely to vote Onegu than you. And I am pretty sure I can convince him to change his mind if necessary. So since I am town you are lucky.
yes cool. but do you see why a mafia rels might jump at that? theres two mafia in this game not one
On April 25 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote: Like you two are just confirmed towns to each other for no reason. Wouldnt shock me if your a team which I have been angling at a bit. But theres no way in hell I would ever get you both lynched anyway. So im pretty much riding or dying with you here jat. But you gotta be thinknig past todays lynch even if you die your decision will have weight
Rels is not confirmed town to me at all?! Did you miss the post where I said the votecounts point towards Rels+Onegu? The only thing that I have decided for myself today that unless there is some big revelation I won't lynch you today.
On April 25 2016 07:41 Rels wrote: JAT am I right dismissing SL stupidness / stuborness as NAI ?
Let's put it this way: From your perspective as town there are 2 mafia in a pool of 3 people. Onegu/Tumble/SL You have a 66,7 % chance to hit mafia at random. You should not dismiss anything those 3 people say. But to answer the question: Yes, in general SL can be stupid and stubborn as either alignment. It depends on what exactly you are talking about.
Onegu voted Tumble yesterday. Why would he be bussing? Does he think he can win in a final 4 against SL and you? Tumble also voted Onegu today which admittedly doesn't mean that much.
On April 25 2016 07:15 sicklucker wrote: im literally only with tumbleweed and thats not somethnig I would let happen as mafia
You could also easily be with onegu.
well if you could only kill one of my partners (you can only onegu or tumble are up for lynch today basicly) any reasonable person would gamble its tumble. but i know your just arguing just to argue
It may be more likely. But there is 0 reason to rule you/Onegu out as a team. Or what kind of reason do you think of?
On April 25 2016 07:15 sicklucker wrote: im literally only with tumbleweed and thats not somethnig I would let happen as mafia
You could also easily be with onegu.
well if you could only kill one of my partners (you can only onegu or tumble are up for lynch today basicly) any reasonable person would gamble its tumble. but i know your just arguing just to argue
It may be more likely. But there is 0 reason to rule you/Onegu out as a team. Or what kind of reason do you think of?
idk . theres no reason to rule you out as mafia but you just mentioned that to rels. things slip your mind
Touché. Fortunately I happen to know that I am town and there is plenty of reason to think so if you don't.
On April 17 2016 04:41 Rels wrote: I'm OK to lynch: Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia. Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad. Maybe GB for faking activity when actually he is useless, needs to read his filter. Maybe JAS for kinda the same thing, needs to read his filter.
These needs to be vigd: Frizer Onegu
I don't townread rsoul but I don't understand why she is scum.
rels is never with tumble but I already thought that. No way he would bus both of them. Altho i think its perfectly reasonable he might bus super considering how much of a train wreck he was going after palmar and super usualy being able to shake off lynches
On April 25 2016 21:24 Rels wrote: SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum.
Shouldn't tumble be the saver bet from your perspective though? I mean it seems like he would has a way bigger chance to be with SL, no? Are you that sure that both of your reads are right?
On April 25 2016 23:06 Onegu wrote: Also one last thing lol @ Tumble just sitting back and watching the mislynch train run right on. WP sir WP.
Onegu, if this is all you are gonna do in LYLO as town then you alone are the reason we lose and there is no use arguing anything else. There is also no reason to ever complain about being policy lynched and whatnot because this is how you get people to do so and you can't blame them for it. I seriously hope you are mafia.
Like, if Onegu is town we lose no matter what. Even if tumble is mafia and we lynch him today Onegu will never manage not to get mislynched the next day like this.
On April 25 2016 21:24 Rels wrote: SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum.
Shouldn't tumble be the saver bet from your perspective though? I mean it seems like he would has a way bigger chance to be with SL, no? Are you that sure that both of your reads are right?
I'm pretty sure both of my reads are right. Tumble is the safer lynch but given other people's stances on this lynch I don't really care to fight for Tumble over Onegu when I'm pretty sure they are both scums.
You really should care though. And in your whole analysis there is actually 0 evaluation of the votecounts. How uncharacteristic and sloppy for you.
On April 25 2016 23:29 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if Onegu is town we lose no matter what. Even if tumble is mafia and we lynch him today Onegu will never manage not to get mislynched the next day like this.
How is this even remotely true. I found scum tumble. We should have lynched him yesterday. Fine I will look into who is the final scum between Rels and SL and actually give you a case.
You "found" scum tumble by knowing that you are town if you are. That's neither a big achievement nor very convincing or helpful for the rest of us.
On April 25 2016 23:06 Onegu wrote: Also one last thing lol @ Tumble just sitting back and watching the mislynch train run right on. WP sir WP.
Onegu, if this is all you are gonna do in LYLO as town then you alone are the reason we lose and there is no use arguing anything else. There is also no reason to ever complain about being policy lynched and whatnot because this is how you get people to do so and you can't blame them for it. I seriously hope you are mafia.
Also self meta but I am onegu and it doesnt really count, I normally fight much more if I am scum.
Then that just makes you a terrible person if you would fight as mafia and wouldn't as town. I don't believe you though.
On April 25 2016 23:29 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if Onegu is town we lose no matter what. Even if tumble is mafia and we lynch him today Onegu will never manage not to get mislynched the next day like this.
How is this even remotely true. I found scum tumble. We should have lynched him yesterday. Fine I will look into who is the final scum between Rels and SL and actually give you a case.
You "found" scum tumble by knowing that you are town if you are. That's neither a big achievement nor very convincing or helpful for the rest of us.
So what you want me to do the work of making a case on him when you already think he is scum, but you guys are going to vote me anyway because I am onegu and if we go to final day with only one scum left you auto vote onegu. Thats not how that works. Previous games I have been in 2-1 lylo and won the game not being lynched. Looks at Obi.
I am far from certain that tumble is mafia if you are. You probably fit better with rels.
Even you should be able to understand that having tumble as a mafia read can never be enough to townread/not lynch you today. Especially after you did nothing all game.
On April 25 2016 23:29 justanothertownie wrote: Like, if Onegu is town we lose no matter what. Even if tumble is mafia and we lynch him today Onegu will never manage not to get mislynched the next day like this.
How is this even remotely true. I found scum tumble. We should have lynched him yesterday. Fine I will look into who is the final scum between Rels and SL and actually give you a case.
You "found" scum tumble by knowing that you are town if you are. That's neither a big achievement nor very convincing or helpful for the rest of us.
So what you want me to do the work of making a case on him when you already think he is scum, but you guys are going to vote me anyway because I am onegu and if we go to final day with only one scum left you auto vote onegu. Thats not how that works. Previous games I have been in 2-1 lylo and won the game not being lynched. Looks at Obi.
Getting carried by rso isn't what I would call a good example, but if you want to insist on playing like shit as much as possible then fine.
Still shows my point that I dont alwlays get lynched in lylo like JAT wants people to believe.
I never said you always get lynchedcin LYLO. I said uf you keep playing like this you will always get lynched this game.
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote: Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW..
Vig shoot this guy.
You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.
But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.
It is frankly retarded. And it is also an easy thing to see or do as mafia. It is way easier/tempting to see what a buddy does as a slip since you know he is mafia. It also gives him a convenient excuse not to give any thoughtful opinion/read on me all game. You would expect a townie to at least consider the possibility of being wrong about that. On the other hand this is Onegu. And Onegu sometimes believes idiotic shit like that. At least this one is more believable than this one which is never ever a slip and town Onegu still believed it was:
On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote: I have re-read the game from the start (yay no work!) and here is where my head is at at the moment. The reads are generally ordered from towniest to scummiest.
Town
Irishbound - I liked that from the outset he considered a wide range of players (see #408). Although I am null-y on Scott, it is hard to fault Irish's reasoning. Moreover, the fact that he has been on Scott for his posts, rather than some of the other low activity players (eg Onegu, Gigya) suggests that he's scum-hunting rather than looking for an easy out. Finally, I thought that his read on me was honest and the fact that he asked Alex for guidance (at #416) felt like a genuine cry for help.
Shapelog - I really, really don't like Shape's approach to posting. Spam posting like he does is a pretty effective mafia tactic to confuse the thread and dissuade people from reading their filter. HOWEVER, I note that he had more than a page of filter in pre-game. Moreover, his posting has struck me more as someone who wants to play the game and is impatient with everyone else (see eg #232). That, to me, is something that a relatively new player would find difficult to replicate as mafia. I also liked him criticising GB for giving him a town read at #302 - as mafia it's much easier just to take the read and pocket it rather than challenge it. Finally, his list post at #448 covered all the bases for a town list post for me.
The Cow - I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts. His read on me seemed very genuine and is actually something I agree with, in that I struggle to condense my thoughts down as far as I would like, and I tend to focus on ephemera (tone, overall posting strategy) rather than digging down into the weeds of detail. I like that he comes in with strong reads on Scott and Kmatt, then follows them up with helpful questions. I think most people (myself included) have been giving Irish a free-pass so far, so it's very useful to have someone sense-checking that as well.
Null
Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that.
Alex/NM - Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town. Fair enough. My reads on Alex are coloured by the same thing - we've been town together twice. He is doing his usual prodding / poking and asking lots of questions. One concern I have is that I see the progression for his Scott read, and his GB read seems to be foreshadowed at #391, but I'm not sure he really has given any particular read on Kush/Noon to date? I agree with the read, but I'm not sure how he got there.
GB - I have played with GB a fair few times before, but he plays differently every time and I usually rely on others to give a good read on him. Here, he has really given out town reads with very little supporting evidence (he 'liked' Alex's opening at (#195), when that was a JOKE OPENING!), and then placed a vote on Kmatt without explanation (#333). As an experienced player, this sort of high-read / low-analysis approach would be easily explained as either lazy/distracted town or mafia. Someone said that GB is in another game at the moment, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. There are definitely better lynches today.
Kmatt - The big red flag for me here is what others have already pointed out - he seems very reluctant to give reads. That is understandable for a new player in his first game (#383). He does make an interesting point on GB that I kinda agree with (#197 - GB trying to buddy up to the thread). I think there are a lot of better lynches than Kmatt, but he's definitely someone to look back at if he doesn't start firming things up through D2.
Scott - This is ugh. I think I'm actually better qualified than most people to read Scott, given that we've played three games together and I have given him a lot of attention in each. Yes, he and I have been town in each. HOWEVER, as I said before he has a number of different playstyles that seem to accord to how busy he is. And this is probably a mean thing to say, but I don't think he switches it up to keep his meta clean and I'm not sure he could. All that said, his content is totally garbage. He has had garbage content before as town. His read on Noon ("why would he TR me going against thread sentiment") is utterly idiotic, mostly because at that point there wasn't much thread sentiment against Scott AND because Noon's read was obviously weak. I don't want to jump straight onto Scott today because I think there are better lynches, and because (unlike others) he is very capable of coming back into the thread and being useful.
Scum
Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo.
Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.
Policy
Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent.
I'm going to vote Gigya for now, but I'd consolidate onto Onegu or Kush if necessary later.
##Vote -- Gigya
Right here! Read the bit on me. He calls me a mislynch. Fword dude knows I am town. He scumslipped here 100% Lynch with fire.
No one believed me and he flipped mafia. It was basically all I yelled that entire game.
This was one of the things whcih gumshoe thought Onegu was mafia for:
On April 18 2016 07:15 Onegu wrote: Oh I was writing my shit and didnt know deadline was here... lol
On April 25 2016 14:11 Onegu wrote: I dont see a team without tumble on it. I dont think SL/Rels is a team. And I think I am still fine sheeping rsoultin here.
##Vote: Tumblewood
Go on.
Go on what? You are confirmed town, Jat is confirmed to me and I will never vote him, I am town.
That leaves SL, Rels, Tumble.
I dont think SL and Rels are a team that busses each other yesterday as that serves no purpose for mafia when if they were a team pushing me and a tumble would be much more likely than bussing so I really dont see them as a mafia team.
Onegus filter doesn't really tell us much. There isn't much super scummy or towny stuff in there. It just lacks content in general. There are also no interesting interactions with SL/Tumble/Rels at all. He could be mafia with every single one of them.
On April 26 2016 01:02 justanothertownie wrote: Onegu filter dive:
This was already pointed out but this post looks bad:
On April 17 2016 05:07 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:05 Palmar wrote: My heart says kill rsoultin my brain says kill superbia
Why are we killing subpurbia? But I think I can sheep you today. Yeah going to sheep palmar.
He says he will sheep Palmar but at the same time subtly tries to get him to go after rsoultin instead of superbia.
This is what he has basically kept on saying all game. Half of his filter is about this:
On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote: Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW..
You all jumped on him for this post.
On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote: Meh. I'm VT too. =/
Should've lynched TW..
Vig shoot this guy.
You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.
But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.
It is frankly retarded. And it is also an easy thing to see or do as mafia. It is way easier/tempting to see what a buddy does as a slip since you know he is mafia. It also gives him a convenient excuse not to give any thoughtful opinion/read on me all game. You would expect a townie to at least consider the possibility of being wrong about that. On the other hand this is Onegu. And Onegu sometimes believes idiotic shit like that. At least this one is more believable than this one which is never ever a slip and town Onegu still believed it was:
On April 20 2016 21:22 Onegu wrote:
On December 31 2015 00:44 Onegu wrote:
On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote: I have re-read the game from the start (yay no work!) and here is where my head is at at the moment. The reads are generally ordered from towniest to scummiest.
Town
Irishbound - I liked that from the outset he considered a wide range of players (see #408). Although I am null-y on Scott, it is hard to fault Irish's reasoning. Moreover, the fact that he has been on Scott for his posts, rather than some of the other low activity players (eg Onegu, Gigya) suggests that he's scum-hunting rather than looking for an easy out. Finally, I thought that his read on me was honest and the fact that he asked Alex for guidance (at #416) felt like a genuine cry for help.
Shapelog - I really, really don't like Shape's approach to posting. Spam posting like he does is a pretty effective mafia tactic to confuse the thread and dissuade people from reading their filter. HOWEVER, I note that he had more than a page of filter in pre-game. Moreover, his posting has struck me more as someone who wants to play the game and is impatient with everyone else (see eg #232). That, to me, is something that a relatively new player would find difficult to replicate as mafia. I also liked him criticising GB for giving him a town read at #302 - as mafia it's much easier just to take the read and pocket it rather than challenge it. Finally, his list post at #448 covered all the bases for a town list post for me.
The Cow - I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts. His read on me seemed very genuine and is actually something I agree with, in that I struggle to condense my thoughts down as far as I would like, and I tend to focus on ephemera (tone, overall posting strategy) rather than digging down into the weeds of detail. I like that he comes in with strong reads on Scott and Kmatt, then follows them up with helpful questions. I think most people (myself included) have been giving Irish a free-pass so far, so it's very useful to have someone sense-checking that as well.
Null
Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that.
Alex/NM - Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town. Fair enough. My reads on Alex are coloured by the same thing - we've been town together twice. He is doing his usual prodding / poking and asking lots of questions. One concern I have is that I see the progression for his Scott read, and his GB read seems to be foreshadowed at #391, but I'm not sure he really has given any particular read on Kush/Noon to date? I agree with the read, but I'm not sure how he got there.
GB - I have played with GB a fair few times before, but he plays differently every time and I usually rely on others to give a good read on him. Here, he has really given out town reads with very little supporting evidence (he 'liked' Alex's opening at (#195), when that was a JOKE OPENING!), and then placed a vote on Kmatt without explanation (#333). As an experienced player, this sort of high-read / low-analysis approach would be easily explained as either lazy/distracted town or mafia. Someone said that GB is in another game at the moment, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. There are definitely better lynches today.
Kmatt - The big red flag for me here is what others have already pointed out - he seems very reluctant to give reads. That is understandable for a new player in his first game (#383). He does make an interesting point on GB that I kinda agree with (#197 - GB trying to buddy up to the thread). I think there are a lot of better lynches than Kmatt, but he's definitely someone to look back at if he doesn't start firming things up through D2.
Scott - This is ugh. I think I'm actually better qualified than most people to read Scott, given that we've played three games together and I have given him a lot of attention in each. Yes, he and I have been town in each. HOWEVER, as I said before he has a number of different playstyles that seem to accord to how busy he is. And this is probably a mean thing to say, but I don't think he switches it up to keep his meta clean and I'm not sure he could. All that said, his content is totally garbage. He has had garbage content before as town. His read on Noon ("why would he TR me going against thread sentiment") is utterly idiotic, mostly because at that point there wasn't much thread sentiment against Scott AND because Noon's read was obviously weak. I don't want to jump straight onto Scott today because I think there are better lynches, and because (unlike others) he is very capable of coming back into the thread and being useful.
Scum
Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo.
Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.
Policy
Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent.
I'm going to vote Gigya for now, but I'd consolidate onto Onegu or Kush if necessary later.
##Vote -- Gigya
Right here! Read the bit on me. He calls me a mislynch. Fword dude knows I am town. He scumslipped here 100% Lynch with fire.
No one believed me and he flipped mafia. It was basically all I yelled that entire game.
This was one of the things whcih gumshoe thought Onegu was mafia for:
On April 18 2016 07:15 Onegu wrote: Oh I was writing my shit and didnt know deadline was here... lol
It is just not alignment indicative.
Onegu, what are you talking about here?
On April 25 2016 14:14 Onegu wrote:
On April 25 2016 14:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 25 2016 14:11 Onegu wrote: I dont see a team without tumble on it. I dont think SL/Rels is a team. And I think I am still fine sheeping rsoultin here.
##Vote: Tumblewood
Go on.
Go on what? You are confirmed town, Jat is confirmed to me and I will never vote him, I am town.
That leaves SL, Rels, Tumble.
I dont think SL and Rels are a team that busses each other yesterday as that serves no purpose for mafia when if they were a team pushing me and a tumble would be much more likely than bussing so I really dont see them as a mafia team.
How were Rels/SL bussing each other exactly?
I dont think rels/SL is a scum team. SL has been pushing rels hard for like 2 days now. And the way the interact with each other I really doubt comes from scum on scum interaction.
Again the Palmar thing. I posted I was sick and on pain meds. I layed down, I wasnt around or I would have sheeped palmar and where he voted, but this is NAI for me as I dont lie about being sick with either alignment, If I am lurking as scum I wont say I am sick unless I actually am as that is a ass thing to do to use that excuse for something that isnt actually being sick. I was scum reading rsoul at the time and understood Palmar on that and I was asking what the case on sub was so I could see for my self.
SL wasn't pushing Rels at all. If you the think the interactions make it unlikely - fine. But there was 0 real bussing between those 2.
The Palmar thing: my point wasn't that you didn't follow through but that you already tried to direct Palmar in the wrong direction with the post I quoted.
I am not saying you are mafia for being sick/lying about that. I believe you about that. I just doesn't make you town either.
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
... Wow this is actually calling me TMI town.
On April 17 2016 06:38 Superbia wrote: That is actually a fucking slip o_o
I don't really know. But he pushed tumble and voted him. Could be the rb trying to survive once the Palmar push failed but tumble could also just easily be town.
Apart from this there isn't much to be found here. Except for the fact that he doesn't mention Onegu ever again affter that early post.
On April 26 2016 01:24 justanothertownie wrote: Onegus day1 vote looks bad. day2 is irrelevant. day3 is unknown but I don't think it makes him town regardless of tumbles alignment.
Nightkills: Idk if Palmar had any opinion on Onegu. Probably not. Rsoultin scumread him. Gumshoe scumread him hardcore.
I'm actually sort of unsure on the day 1 thing aside from the fact that "it looks bad." I'm aware he voted poorly, but would he really just vote rso while his prospective rb was getting lynched? Seems counterintuitive.
I don't think his rb was getting lynched when he voted, right?
On April 26 2016 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: Superbia filter dive:
People said this is partner indicative:
On April 16 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote: Onegu prob town based on one sample.
It's not. Not at all. Mafialikes to townread lynchbait early day1. They generally do not like to townread buddies who look like shit.
Would super do this to a buddy?
On April 17 2016 06:38 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
... Wow this is actually calling me TMI town.
On April 17 2016 06:38 Superbia wrote: That is actually a fucking slip o_o
I don't really know. But he pushed tumble and voted him. Could be the rb trying to survive once the Palmar push failed but tumble could also just easily be town.
Apart from this there isn't much to be found here. Except for the fact that he doesn't mention Onegu ever again affter that early post.
On April 26 2016 01:24 justanothertownie wrote: Onegus day1 vote looks bad. day2 is irrelevant. day3 is unknown but I don't think it makes him town regardless of tumbles alignment.
Nightkills: Idk if Palmar had any opinion on Onegu. Probably not. Rsoultin scumread him. Gumshoe scumread him hardcore.
I'm actually sort of unsure on the day 1 thing aside from the fact that "it looks bad." I'm aware he voted poorly, but would he really just vote rso while his prospective rb was getting lynched? Seems counterintuitive.
I don't think his rb was getting lynched when he voted, right?
I don't think so, but I think he was around for a bit while Superbia was getting lynched beforehand.
You sure? I mean superbia only got really in danger right before deadline, no?
On April 26 2016 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: A lot of people do. Just because you don't doesn't mean noone does.
but its actually so bad...
So what point is there in superbia townreading his partner who looks like shit in that situation? There is no point. Could he have done it? Sure. Does this make Onegu more likely mafia? No, it doesn't.
On April 26 2016 01:24 justanothertownie wrote: Onegus day1 vote looks bad. day2 is irrelevant. day3 is unknown but I don't think it makes him town regardless of tumbles alignment.
Nightkills: Idk if Palmar had any opinion on Onegu. Probably not. Rsoultin scumread him. Gumshoe scumread him hardcore.
Rsoul wasnt scum reading me was she?
Yes, she was. You were her second scumread after tumble.
On April 20 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote: lol okay yeah
townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons) townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way) scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention) scum: tw lock and load
tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat)
though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^
On April 26 2016 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: A lot of people do. Just because you don't doesn't mean noone does.
but its actually so bad...
So what point is there in superbia townreading his partner who looks like shit in that situation? There is no point. Could he have done it? Sure. Does this make Onegu more likely mafia? No, it doesn't.
when you townread someone they are less likely to be lynched. half the reads in mafia are like a cool kids club. one person says it and the next person agrees
This is not how this game works. If you give a townread to someone who obviously doesn't deserve it you just make yourself suspicious to other people for no reason at all.
On April 26 2016 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: A lot of people do. Just because you don't doesn't mean noone does.
but its actually so bad...
So what point is there in superbia townreading his partner who looks like shit in that situation? There is no point. Could he have done it? Sure. Does this make Onegu more likely mafia? No, it doesn't.
when you townread someone they are less likely to be lynched. half the reads in mafia are like a cool kids club. one person says it and the next person agrees
This is not how this game works. If you give a townread to someone who obviously doesn't deserve it you just make yourself suspicious to other people for no reason at all.
all early town reads are "vibes" or pretty much just leaps of faith on really thin shit. subtle things like calling someone town puts ideas in peoples heads that they are infact town
On April 26 2016 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If there's a reason to avoid lynching him, I don't really see it. I tried to look back and see if there's something I could read into (not saving the RB) but there really isn't. There's just nothing there that I can make sense of aside from some reads that aren't good.
I know. But the more time passes the more I want to kill tumble for not giving a single fuck about being in LYLO.
On April 26 2016 01:56 justanothertownie wrote: I love how invested tumble is in this LYLO though.
Well either his partner is dying or a mislynch is happening. In the first case he does not have the towncred to change the lynch, in the other he doesn't need to do anything.
Thank you for this very helpful and deep analysis.
On April 25 2016 20:59 Rels wrote: Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind. Palmar => Superbia rsoul => Tumble gumshoe => Onegu The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target.
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote: Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens. JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.
SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.
Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.
Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.
I just refuse to believe this game is so easy that it is just tumble + onegu.
On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.
Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.
Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.
On April 26 2016 03:19 justanothertownie wrote: And no, mafia never "let's one guy make the kill" each night. They make the kill that makes the most sense overall for whatever reason.
Of course the "each chose a kill" was a silly thought, my point is that each kill hard scumread one of Superbia, Onegu & Tumble.
Yeah, that is obvious. Gumshoe might have been shot because he is the fucking medic though. And that wasn't hard to figure out especially if SL is mafia.
Maybe. He townread SL quite a lot though so if SL is scum that must have been a painful kill to make.
Not really. If Onegu is town and gets mislynched this doesn't matter at all.
This has been discussed to death but it is really bad:
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote: I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote: And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.
But it especially makes no sense considering what his reason to scumread Super is afterwards:
On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: where I'm at right now:
null most people
don't want to lynch gumshoe because innocent town rels because actually trying ows because actually trying palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him
could lynch today rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot
"Saying super is mafia because of burnout is a huge conclusion leap""Super is mafia because afk" This doesn't work together very well. Also the "prefer vig shot" doesn't make any sense.
Shapelog made a meta case on tumble somewhere which he requoted before he got lynched. That was pretty on point. Examples of what mafia tumble is more likely to post than town tumble are those things:
On April 17 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: "Oh but Tumblewood you didn't say that last part earlier." "Scum scum scum for changing his reasons on rsoul."
On April 19 2016 02:41 Tumblewood wrote: OWS what is the point of these emoticons "oh no he felt angry face he must be town"
On April 18 2016 06:00 Tumblewood wrote: rsoultin why did you switch from "total scumlord tumblewood" to "eh i could shenanny gb" ooh didn't see the reversal coming didya
Eod1 this was what made me townread tumble:
On April 17 2016 05:39 Tumblewood wrote: i don't really see a way to not die here, so i'm going to just let you all vote me as long as i get 80 minutes of you listening to me and not treating me like i'm scum
I don't think it is impossible for him to do it as mafia though?
Let's have a look at tumbles read progression on super eod1.
On April 17 2016 05:42 Tumblewood wrote: pls lynch rsoul tomorrow pls vig shoot superbia tonight for the record i was only focusing on rsoul because the rest of you were european and asleep and ows and sl were boring
Still going for the vig shoot for whatever reason.
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote: fazers you voted me why did you vote me palmar why are you voting superbia rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?
Why is he questioning Palmar about his superbia read then?
On April 17 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote: "me to a degree" there are only two ways to go with me: either i am the scummiest scum scummer to ever scum scum and your name is rels, or i am town who fucked up and you are a kind compassionate soul who is voting superbia
People voting superbia = good.
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
On April 17 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: i could switch to superbia to save myself but tbh that would probably lead to me getting lynched tomorrow anyway if rayn is in the obs qt i hope i'm driving him insane right now
uh... how do you know that it won't just make you the hero and superbia flips mafia?
everyone on me is dead set because i bsed some reasoning earlier i don't feel that good that superbia will flip mafia if he doesn't it goes D1 town dies D2 town dies
So he isn't mafia. But where is the difference to any other potential townie dying over Tumble?
On April 17 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote: fazers you voted me why did you vote me palmar why are you voting superbia rsoul and ows when did you change from TR to SR + Show Spoiler +
actually did ows actually SR me? is he even here?
this is the only question i can even find in your filter directed at me and should be immensely obvious...and the reason i asked you why you wanted me specifically to give a hard read on fazers' first post was because it's an awfully odd thing to say unless you thought his post was significant somehow
which obviously you couldn't have if you completely "forgot" why you did it in the first place, or are you trying to sell that you're that forgetful?
not trying to sell shit. it's obvious i'm doing my fair share of bsing this game but it's only selling it if i'm trying to say i do that frequently as town, and i usually don't do it as either alignment. after today i'm going to try to not bs because that makes it much harder to evaluate people when they can bs and get away with it do you need extra reasons to scumread me or what
???
nope i just have the one: you making up shit when questioned on a statement that i found weird in the first place
i mean obviously if you're town here you fucked up hard and shouldn't bs, but most townies don't because there's no reason to. like seriously why would you find the need to make up reasons for saying things?
because it looks bad to not have a reason and i didn't want to dig up some post from five pages ago to defend myself for the record i wasn't totally lying just wrong + Show Spoiler +
as if that means anything
okay so let's play a game here
you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well
give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them
superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)
Now he is mafia again? Maybe?
It doesn't make any sense. At best he is unsure about supers alignment and in that case he ALWAYS ALWAYS votes him to save himself. He voted a guy he genuinely thought was a bad lynch in storm to save himself.
On April 20 2016 11:32 Tumblewood wrote: Is your whole scum strategy "make myself as annoying to lynch as possible" to survive? Because the annoying is definitely there, seriously getting tired of pursuing this.
If you read tumbles filter you notice that he interacts/talks with almost everyone. Especially when he is about to be lynched he asks specific people to do stuff. He does this to everyone. Well, almost everyone. The people he does not do that to are Superbia and Sicklucker. For the biggest part of his filter (until LYLO basically) he more or less completely ignores Sicklucker. He interacts with Rels quite a bit gets pushed by him repeatedly. It doesn't seem very likely they are together. He even interacts/talks about Onegu. But not SL. All that he says early in the game about him is this:
On April 17 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote: rels still picking the low-hanging fruit didn't jat SR sicklucker a while back? i thought that was a pretty good read rsoul you have some important questions to answer
protip: if it's lylo and i'm still alive, i'm probably scum because i never make it past d4 as town
Which should indicate a mafia read, right? Still he doesn't really push that or reason it out at all. I know there is one post to rsoultin where he asks why she is going for GB and not for Onegu/SL but SL is just a listed name there.
Later he completely "forgets" about this read though.
On April 19 2016 11:37 Tumblewood wrote: SL: He's cocky in the right way, and his curiosity about the vig seems genuine.
SL suddenly town in a listpost where he has to be included.
On April 21 2016 02:59 Tumblewood wrote: I feel comfortable about my town circle now, it's probably not changing anymore, bar a scum claim. My feeeels have been working overtime this game.
town jat rels gum ows onegu
probably also town sl
not town shape rsoul
SL "probably" town. But not even as town as Onegu. Why? Who the fuck knows!
On April 21 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote: I honestly don't know who we would lynch after Shape. I have six townreads and one scumread this game and these are pretty solid townreads. Is the case against Rels just that one vote? Is the case on JAT just the low-hanging fruit argument? Is the case on Onegu just Onegu? These are all solid arguments but they also go against all the townie things those players have done and my feeeels are all I have to distinguish them. I suppose the best way to go is Shape -> jat/rels -> rels/jat
We need to get shape lynched and then Onegu/jat/rels. Where on earth has is SL?
On April 23 2016 11:53 Tumblewood wrote: is this what a ten page filter feels like? are you also looking at my filter with similar dread because you don't want to read 200 posts? anyhoo, current status is
me gumshoe ows = 100% town
sl = 80% town
rels = 60% town
onegu = 20% town
i guess that leaves 40% of a townie for jat but that's not enough because he looks at least equal to rels if not townier, maybe they could take some towniness from sl and be split 55/55
btw don't read page 105 or most of 104 unless you want in on my ramblings which are spread out among 40 posts
On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence. It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose. So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine.
I mean, I did get drunk last night. But this post pleading not to get yourself voted off before I even flip makes no sense.
Lets play a great game Tumble. If I am not scum, and tomorrow is lylo. Who would you vote and why?
Also why can't SL be scum here as well?
Onegu and then Rels the next day. I'm 80% sure no one else is scum. SL is not scum because he's totally in line with his town meta by being cocky all game and he's not triggering my spidey senses in any way. He's at most the third scummiest in the game and would just be a stupid person to lynch at this point.
I guess for the age old reason that he is being cocky again. But then why was he only probably town in between? And where is the scumread from earlier gone?
Basically tumble avoids talking about SL before LYLO (and what he says there is really really shallow) as much as he can and his read progression on him makes 0 fucking sense.
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote: also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
SL+Rels: Possible but I don't think we really can win in this case. Disregarding it. Onegu+Rels: One of the realistic scenarios. Tumble+Rels: Possible but rather unlikely due to repeated pushing/bussing and interactions. Onegu+SL: Possible. Tumble+SL: One of the realistic scenarios. Tumble + Onegu: Possible but it just feels too easy.
It's so annoying to be one of the cleared people. The game is so much easier for you 4. And still noone besides me does really any work here. Except for Rels maybe.
No puedo decidir si me gusta matar SL o no...ayúdame ;o; El espacio entre su primera entrada y las otras era tan larga pero no sé como interpretar su lista de deseos sobre los jugadores :/
I can't decide whether or not I want to lynch SL...help me ;o; The time between his first post and the rest was pretty long but I don't know how to interpret that list of who he does and doesn't want to play with :/
SL is easy to read after a few days. Not a good D1 lynch.
On April 26 2016 04:41 sicklucker wrote: i dont see why me not being the medic makes gumshoe an obvious medic. I know you didnt think I was the medic jat
Because he softed being the medic. And then last night he made a gigantic post about the medic with the sole purpose of making mafia think he isn't the medic.
On April 26 2016 04:48 sicklucker wrote: Like there was this big 12 hours stretch when only me and tumble were in the thread
You mean that thing that happened AFTER the shape lynch? Because I am not counting that and everything he said there was really shallow anyways. If that's not what you are talking about then show me quotes.
On April 26 2016 04:41 sicklucker wrote: i dont see why me not being the medic makes gumshoe an obvious medic. I know you didnt think I was the medic jat
Because he softed being the medic. And then last night he made a gigantic post about the medic with the sole purpose of making mafia think he isn't the medic.
I didint even notice his soft. But then again I was not looking for a medic. Honestly I didnt think he was the medic for some reason but I forget why. Probably because he was pushing me after I was doing everything I can to not have the real medic cc
You don't think the real medic would maybe push you when you are constantly pretending to be the medic and never dying?
On April 26 2016 04:52 sicklucker wrote: like jat tumbles most activity this cycle and last was explaining why I am town. He didnt just say "im 80%" out of no where. you should read his posts. He pocketed me hard altho now im not too sure
Yes, he absolutely did. Those explanations came way way later.
On April 26 2016 04:52 sicklucker wrote: like jat tumbles most activity this cycle and last was explaining why I am town. He didnt just say "im 80%" out of no where. you should read his posts. He pocketed me hard altho now im not too sure
Yes, he absolutely did. Those explanations came way way later.
well I dont really want to make the decision now in 2 hours when im not feelin that great. We can do that shit tomorrow tumble has had streaks of townieness
No, we can NOT make this decision later. If Onegu is town we LOSE.
On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote: I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels.
But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL.
Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote: also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
On April 26 2016 04:52 sicklucker wrote: like jat tumbles most activity this cycle and last was explaining why I am town. He didnt just say "im 80%" out of no where. you should read his posts. He pocketed me hard altho now im not too sure
Yes, he absolutely did. Those explanations came way way later.
well I dont really want to make the decision now in 2 hours when im not feelin that great. We can do that shit tomorrow tumble has had streaks of townieness
No, we can NOT make this decision later. If Onegu is town we LOSE.
What the fuck man?
onegu is mafia in everyworld. if tumbles mafia onegus mafia with him. Obviously your pretty paranoid that it could be me and tumble. but I know im not mafia so from my perspective we are always lynching scum today. And your seeing that as scummy I think.
I acualy think onegus vote on tumble day 3 points to them as an obvious team getting ready for the bus to win in final 3. But were smarter then that i hope
That's not convincing at all.
And like tumble you only appear to post in freakin LYLO once Tumble has a chanc eof being lynched.
On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote: I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels.
But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL.
Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote: also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that.
Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia.
On April 26 2016 05:11 sicklucker wrote: Some positives for me sheeping jats vote today. He would be confirmed town for tomorrow so we have a confirmed town no matter who mafia kills. Maybe I would like to think he would stop being paranoid relax and enjoy the easy win scum has given us
Why would I do that? If you lynch tumble with us now and he flips mafia that does not make you town.
I am obvious town no matter what. The fact that you don't really care who we lynch OR are doing anything to actually solve this game when it should be really fucking easy from your pov is really really suspicious.
On April 26 2016 05:20 sicklucker wrote: Sign just tell me who to vote today im obviously tilting you into game throwing. Tomorrow ill be more awake and not drinking. if you say nothing ill vote onegu. Like im very happy where town is right and taking it very chill and your reading that scummy for some reason
Because you should not be chill if you are town in LYLO. You should do your best to make the right decision and you just aren't.
On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote: I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels.
But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL.
Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote: also, just for the record, in regards to tumble
i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere
basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town - lying about why he said something - refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself - reads not being informed by new info
i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in
but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie
besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much
so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><
(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)
On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy
^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:
and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!
definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me
tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that.
Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia.
Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that
How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly?
Pretty clean and since he is good at mafia it's hard to tell. If he is mafia then it is for scumreading super day1 but never voting him and for his moronic attack against me later on. There are town explanations for both though.
This post felt really odd though:
On April 25 2016 07:41 Rels wrote: JAT am I right dismissing SL stupidness / stuborness as NAI ?
On April 26 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote: I would feel really really bad about letting Onegu wiggle out of this if he is with SL or Rels.
But I also don't want to let tumble get away with this if he is with SL.
Bro I can't be scum. If ytou're not convinced read this:
On April 25 2016 20:57 Rels wrote: [quote] [quote] Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough: [quote] [quote]
So it's either Onegu / Tumble or SL / Tumble if you are town. I'm really not convinced SL is scum over Onegu, but Tumble is a good lynch.
Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that.
Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia.
Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that
How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly?
Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work.
It's exactly the other way round. You can't use rsoultins death to proof your innocence for exactly this reason. If you were mafia and thought she is medic or a buddy of yours did you wouldn't post it in the thread but in your qt.
I will feel really bad about putting in this much effort if it is Rels/SL or Onegu/tumble btw. Fuck those 2 in particular for being the main lynch targets and not doing shit.
On April 26 2016 04:04 justanothertownie wrote: [quote] Who the fuck knows. Maybe you guys thought she was the medic. I am sure you understand that I can't clear you for that.
Why, did she soft medic ?
Not that I saw but I don't know what mafia thought. SL seems to have thought she was medic.
SL why did you think that ? JAT so if you yourself didn't think that, I don't understand why you think I could have been thinking that.
Because you are not me and you had buddies if you are mafia.
Well if you believe that couild be the case you need to look for proof because I reread the whole game until N2 a few hours ago and I can't think of anything like that
How am I supposed to look for proof of something that would have only been posted in the mafia qt anyways? srsly?
Because I try to prove I'm town using the rsoul kill and you say "well scum could have been thinking she's medic". So if you can't find any reason that 'sculm could have been thinking she's medic", your argument doesn't work.
It's exactly the other way round. You can't use rsoultins death to proof your innocence for exactly this reason. If you were mafia and thought she is medic or a buddy of yours did you wouldn't post it in the thread but in your qt.
But I don't think there are any reason to think she could have been doc.
Who knows? If SL thinks that other people may have to. Just let it go. You cannot clear yourself with this.
On April 26 2016 05:46 sicklucker wrote: i just thought of something. obis not even going to be here he made a point of it. so theres no way you can change the vote to tumble even if you wanted to jat without me
On April 26 2016 05:45 Rels wrote: This feels like Star Wars when I was the most obvious town ever and JAT & rayn still scumread me in the obs QT while I was nailing the scumteam. Well, while NM was nailing the scumteam and I was 2/3.
What has this to do with anything here? I am not even scumreading you. I am just not ruling you out because that would be really dumb to do.
On April 26 2016 05:40 justanothertownie wrote: Obi, you still there? Or is all of this pointless anyways?
At work, but yes.
You will have to decide too. Everything I have is in the thread. i concede to a SL/Rels world. In a Onegu/Tumble world we will not lose today anyways. We basically have to decide between Rels and SL where Tumble is more likely with SL and Rels more likely with Onegu. Sadly SL could also be with Onegu though.
On April 26 2016 05:40 justanothertownie wrote: Obi, you still there? Or is all of this pointless anyways?
At work, but yes.
You will have to decide too. Everything I have is in the thread. i concede to a SL/Rels world. In a Onegu/Tumble world we will not lose today anyways. We basically have to decide between Rels and SL where Tumble is more likely with SL and Rels more likely with Onegu. Sadly SL could also be with Onegu though.
I think SL is slightly more likely than Rels but it's a moot point probably - unflipped associatives are bad and you and me both know that.
Unflipped associatives are really important in this case though.
On April 26 2016 05:29 sicklucker wrote: Like we have two kills and they both have to be right. Im also killing onegu. If he lives today im killing him tormorow SO I want him dead first. I could acualy see myself voting rels over tumble. Unlucky but its possible thats my mindset and thats why i want it to be 6pm alread
LOL you posted this 37 minutes ago bro
no i didnt lol
Click on "page 139" or your filter and see for yourself p:
your not good at reading are you? reread it a few times
lol, I don't think you have a leg to stand on here bro.
On April 26 2016 06:14 sicklucker wrote: Like I forgot that one rels post early where he calls super and rels his top two scum. So your right hes never with tumble and I know onegus mafia so we win the game in 1 hour. So sorry if you guys cant figure that its pretty confirmed obi/tumble
On April 26 2016 06:16 sicklucker wrote: Like rels you had the scummiest vote of all time so im allowed ot be paranoid. but you not looking to jump on tumble here makes me think your pretty lock town now. Because you have to be with onegu but your not really trying to get the lynch off of him
He can easily afford to bus the weak teammate today. Same goes for you.
On April 26 2016 06:19 sicklucker wrote: like rels could lynch tumble and win the game here if he wanted too. no offense but you obviously subconsciously want to vote tumble even if you dont notice. and ill vote him if you do because thats more fun
On April 26 2016 06:21 sicklucker wrote: you know what fuck it lets win the game today. you guys are so fucking paranoid im scum here that you might even vote me over tumble . ##vote tumble I just want this game to end I dont want 3 more days of this shit
This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. The only way the game ends today is if town loses. Is that what you want?
On April 26 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote: Jat going for the win here makes no sense since he wins in final 3 anyway. SO ill make it easy for you and put your suspicions at ez. I will lynch tumble for you if you really want to. Just dont blame me if we lose to rels =[
On April 26 2016 06:24 sicklucker wrote: ? theres no way ill have to put any effort against onegu in final 3. he will probably concede. but now that I think about it more this will probably make you more paranoid sign
So now it is definitely onegu+tumble? 0 % chance it is rels?
On April 26 2016 06:21 sicklucker wrote: you know what fuck it lets win the game today. you guys are so fucking paranoid im scum here that you might even vote me over tumble . ##vote tumble I just want this game to end I dont want 3 more days of this shit
This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. The only way the game ends today is if town loses. Is that what you want?
This makes sense from his POV where the only decision he has to make is Tumble vs me.
No, it fucking doesn't. Because Onegu is the only save lynch from his pov.
On April 26 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote: Jat going for the win here makes no sense since he wins in final 3 anyway. SO ill make it easy for you and put your suspicions at ez. I will lynch tumble for you if you really want to. Just dont blame me if we lose to rels =[
hey jat i'll throw the game, but only if you want
????
that's what I see in sl's words he was like, "nah tumble is town" and then decided he'd sheep someone and vote his townread in lylo
So what has this to do with me? Or you throwing the game? And why would you ever do that?
On April 26 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote: Jat going for the win here makes no sense since he wins in final 3 anyway. SO ill make it easy for you and put your suspicions at ez. I will lynch tumble for you if you really want to. Just dont blame me if we lose to rels =[
hey jat i'll throw the game, but only if you want
????
that's what I see in sl's words he was like, "nah tumble is town" and then decided he'd sheep someone and vote his townread in lylo
So what has this to do with me? Or you throwing the game? And why would you ever do that?
i should have put quotation marks around it i meant that sl was basically saying "hey jat i'll throw if you want"
On April 26 2016 06:27 sicklucker wrote: sign ill just stick with onegu you will probably wifmo yourself into thinking im making some sort of play here. This is a really really easy game..
So, this game is really really easy and it is....? Onegu+Rels? Then why were you willing to switch to tumble just now.
On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved.
I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose.
On April 26 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote: and if rels is mafia im going to blame you for focusing on me the confirmed town who killed mafia over the guy who voted to save mafia
I did not focus on you at all. I read all relevant filters today and gave my opinion on them and possbile interactions/votecounts etc. You know the stuff every townie should do in LYLO and noone besides me did.
On April 26 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote: and if rels is mafia im going to blame you for focusing on me the confirmed town who killed mafia over the guy who voted to save mafia
Everyone in this game killed the same amount of mafia btw. so this argument is incredibly stupid in the first place.
On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved.
I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose.
shhhhhh
hahaha p: really though the game is that simple. Onegu / Tumble are scum. You can find out because they are fucking scummy. They tried to put distance between themselves because they are fucking scummy. The end.
anything onegu does today is laced in wifom you shouldn't read into whether he's trying to distance / not distance because he knows he's dying anyway my defense against my own scumminess is my own scrubbiness
Scrubbiness and scumminess aren't mutually exclusive.
On April 26 2016 06:33 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, whatever. I will just blame whoever of you 2 is town if that is not the case. And rsoultin if you 2 are mafia.
Problem solved.
I tried that. It doesn't really work. You still feel great if you win and bad if you lose.
shhhhhh
hahaha p: really though the game is that simple. Onegu / Tumble are scum. You can find out because they are fucking scummy. They tried to put distance between themselves because they are fucking scummy. The end.
anything onegu does today is laced in wifom you shouldn't read into whether he's trying to distance / not distance because he knows he's dying anyway my defense against my own scumminess is my own scrubbiness
On April 25 2016 21:16 Rels wrote: Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.
I still don't understand how you aren't pushing harder for a tumble lynch if you are town.
On April 26 2016 06:39 sicklucker wrote: and if rels is mafia im going to blame you for focusing on me the confirmed town who killed mafia over the guy who voted to save mafia
Everyone in this game killed the same amount of mafia btw. so this argument is incredibly stupid in the first place.
except for thats not true. my vote presure forced super to claim mafia. Everyone else still in the game did not vote super. Only the dead towns voted super. they are the true heros of the game.
obs qt I salute you !
Your afk vote did nothing at all. Palmar switching to Super and encouraging people to sheep him is what pressured super to claim.
You will kill me instead of Obi tonight. Why do you ask? Because otherwise I will force a nolynch tomorrow and everyone in this game including you will have to wait a whole additional cycle for this game to end. So you will either have to kill me then or make the game easier for me. Also you want lazy Obi in the game more than me anyways (sorry bro).
On April 26 2016 07:01 sicklucker wrote: tumble ill be real with you. your not winning this game. I dont see me and rels ever turning on each other here. theres no shame in conceding and saving us all time
On April 26 2016 07:02 justanothertownie wrote: SO ATTENTION MR. LAST MAFIA
Here is the deal:
You will kill me instead of Obi tonight. Why do you ask? Because otherwise I will force a nolynch tomorrow and everyone in this game including you will have to wait a whole additional cycle for this game to end. So you will either have to kill me then or make the game easier for me. Also you want lazy Obi in the game more than me anyways (sorry bro).
On April 26 2016 07:19 sicklucker wrote: idk its just stupid to think tumble could think he could lynch me considering my day one reads. I made sense with tumble but not with onegu. he has to push the rels would to have any hope
I meant you are the people who will be alive unless nafia is going to troll us from now on.
On April 26 2016 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: Superbia filter dive:
People said this is partner indicative:
On April 16 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote: Onegu prob town based on one sample.
It's not. Not at all. Mafialikes to townread lynchbait early day1. They generally do not like to townread buddies who look like shit.
Would super do this to a buddy?
I remembered this post so I'm quoting it to point out that it was bad.
First of all the question at the end belongs to the quote below and second of all, no. It wasn't bad. Just because Onegu was mafia dies not mean you are right.
On April 27 2016 02:35 sicklucker wrote: your acualy so stuborn. if you dont think super calling onegu town is reasons ot think onegu is mafia your something else. im not saying its an end all say all but its suggested he was mafia and you shut it down
Maybe it does suggest that for super - something learned. But in general giving bad and easy townreads like that early in the game is not something mafia tend to do to their partners. So, no.
On April 26 2016 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: Superbia filter dive:
People said this is partner indicative:
On April 16 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote: Onegu prob town based on one sample.
It's not. Not at all. Mafialikes to townread lynchbait early day1. They generally do not like to townread buddies who look like shit.
Would super do this to a buddy?
I remembered this post so I'm quoting it to point out that it was bad.
First of all the question at the end belongs to the quote below and second of all, no. It wasn't bad. Just because Onegu was mafia dies not mean you are right.
On April 27 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote: also tumbles chance to win goes wa up in a final 3 over a final 4... only one person needs to vote wrong over two
On April 27 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote: also tumbles chance to win goes wa up in a final 3 over a final 4... only one person needs to vote wrong over two
This is true for all of you. Not only tumble.
ya but the chance of two people voting for tumble considering how me and rels feel about this game is consideribly lower.
On April 27 2016 07:42 sicklucker wrote: I dont think jats scum he brought up the no lynch before I even thought about it. no way you make that nk thats just hurry this along now
Yeah, because you needed that to figure out my alignment, huh? Seriously.
On April 27 2016 07:42 sicklucker wrote: I dont think jats scum he brought up the no lynch before I even thought about it. no way you make that nk thats just hurry this along now
Yeah, because you needed that to figure out my alignment, huh? Seriously.
No he's talking to me 'cause I said "no drawback to no-lynch". The drawback to lynching today is less time + we lose to scum!you but given that you are pushing for a no-lynch you are very, very unlikely to be scum based on that alone, let alone the rest.
On April 27 2016 07:42 sicklucker wrote: I dont think jats scum he brought up the no lynch before I even thought about it. no way you make that nk thats just hurry this along now
Yeah, because you needed that to figure out my alignment, huh? Seriously.
thats my line.... you have questioned my alignment way more then I have yours
Why would that be? Oh I KNOW. Because I have been way townier than you. You want proof? The reads of every townie that died.
But this is a really pointless discussion. We will nolynch today 100 % SL. No matter what you say. And I don't think I will do much at all for the rest of this cycle.
On April 27 2016 08:32 sicklucker wrote: and most dead towns didnt have you above me. it was probably 50/50
restoulin and gumdrop had me as top town. Did anyone else really matter? obi was suspect but only after I started trolling
I was Palmars top townread. I was rsoultins top townread. I was Obis top townread. I don't know if gumshoe ever ordered his mafiareads but he said I can never be mafia. Doubt he said that about you.
On April 27 2016 17:51 Rels wrote: Yeah SL' filter is good. There are weird things but it's SL, he's weird sometimes. The way he's involved in solving the game + rereading the game and commenting on it + roleswapping are all things he does as town. He has a hard time caring as scum, case in point: the other current game in which he was vig'd for being useless. Plus he was scumreading both Superbia and Onegu D1. Let's finish this. The only drawback to this is that we lose to scum!JAT, but the chance of this happening if so small it doesn't matter.
I agree that SL is pretty towny. I also agree that tumble is the scummiest dude here. But a nolynch is clearly the best option here. We lose to scum you for example. If you 2 lynch tumble today and he is town then the blame will 100 % be on the townie between you.
On April 27 2016 17:51 Rels wrote: Yeah SL' filter is good. There are weird things but it's SL, he's weird sometimes. The way he's involved in solving the game + rereading the game and commenting on it + roleswapping are all things he does as town. He has a hard time caring as scum, case in point: the other current game in which he was vig'd for being useless. Plus he was scumreading both Superbia and Onegu D1. Let's finish this. The only drawback to this is that we lose to scum!JAT, but the chance of this happening if so small it doesn't matter.
I agree that SL is pretty towny. I also agree that tumble is the scummiest dude here. But a nolynch is clearly the best option here. We lose to scum you for example. If you 2 lynch tumble today and he is town then the blame will 100 % be on the townie between you.
If I was scum I wouldn't have killed OWS who hard townread me. The only difference between lynching today or tomorrow if you die is more time. Tumble has had way more time than he deserved already. He was almost lynched every day apart from D2, but he repeatedly did nothing. The "I swear to do more tonight" followed by AFK is the last straw. The only drawback to lynching today is losing to scum!you, and I don't think you are scum.
Obi townread everyone besides tumble and was confirmed town. Him being killed doesn't mean anything in the end.
On April 28 2016 00:36 sicklucker wrote: well were literally doing nothing today. of course im going to try and get information out of you the only other person I could vote
You could do that if you were transparent with your reads before, but you're making it seem like you weren't and were only playing games to gain info. Please state your reads on Tumble and I with reasonning.
The trap makes sense though. I would have yelled at SL later on and told him how you can just switch if you are mafia.
On April 28 2016 00:55 Rels wrote: sicklucker now that you have no reason to hide them, state your reads with reasonning on Tumble and I pretty please.
Theres alot of logic that points to you as scum but you played a really clean game. and a double bus early d1 I believe? or was that super tumble then that would only be a single bus.
Tumble thinking im scum all of a sudden is pretty scummy too. But hes pretty new and i was doing weird things so its not a thing I would ride or die with. obv we need to see more from him and I need to reread his filter (in context not a filter dive aka reread the game before I feel comfortable with him either way)
Onegus vote on tumble day 3 makes me think they were setting up a bus to have tumble win in final 3 after bussing onegu yesterday.
Both this vote and your day 1 vote seem equally bad so its a hard spot from vote logic
Since Rels can't be with tumble there was no double bus.
On April 28 2016 00:55 Rels wrote: sicklucker now that you have no reason to hide them, state your reads with reasonning on Tumble and I pretty please.
Theres alot of logic that points to you as scum but you played a really clean game. and a double bus early d1 I believe? or was that super tumble then that would only be a single bus.
Tumble thinking im scum all of a sudden is pretty scummy too. But hes pretty new and i was doing weird things so its not a thing I would ride or die with. obv we need to see more from him and I need to reread his filter (in context not a filter dive aka reread the game before I feel comfortable with him either way)
Onegus vote on tumble day 3 makes me think they were setting up a bus to have tumble win in final 3 after bussing onegu yesterday. Both this vote and your day 1 vote seem equally bad so its a hard spot from vote logic
Even if I was scum, double bus was impossible D1 since Onegu wasn't a lynch candidate, unless you're talking about me supporting a vig shot on Onegu ? Again, reread the D1 vote, the "logic" doesn't point at me, I voted Tumble when he scumslipped, which is something I can't predict as scum.
You don't need to predict it. You just need to jump on it. Scum is the faction that reacts most of the time.
On April 28 2016 01:08 sicklucker wrote: like even when super was with me in my last scum game. I could tell he was going to paly like shit after carrying that pyp game.
Hes like really weird he will play a perfect scum game (hes beat me twice in final 3) then he will tottaly shit the bed next game. in some huge game imperial I think I busted him day one and he was so bad that i fake claimed cop or something trying to get him lynched.
And this was his third scum roll inarow... Ya its expected he was going to suck really. im sure super knew it and maybe would have mentioned it
If this is true, this points at you being his partner and voting him early TBH. If he was feeling terrible, he would have known he needed to fakeclaim and Tumble or I would have bused him way harder, protected by the fact that he was going to fakeclaim.
On April 28 2016 00:55 Rels wrote: sicklucker now that you have no reason to hide them, state your reads with reasonning on Tumble and I pretty please.
Theres alot of logic that points to you as scum but you played a really clean game. and a double bus early d1 I believe? or was that super tumble then that would only be a single bus.
Tumble thinking im scum all of a sudden is pretty scummy too. But hes pretty new and i was doing weird things so its not a thing I would ride or die with. obv we need to see more from him and I need to reread his filter (in context not a filter dive aka reread the game before I feel comfortable with him either way)
Onegus vote on tumble day 3 makes me think they were setting up a bus to have tumble win in final 3 after bussing onegu yesterday. Both this vote and your day 1 vote seem equally bad so its a hard spot from vote logic
Even if I was scum, double bus was impossible D1 since Onegu wasn't a lynch candidate, unless you're talking about me supporting a vig shot on Onegu ? Again, reread the D1 vote, the "logic" doesn't point at me, I voted Tumble when he scumslipped, which is something I can't predict as scum.
You don't need to predict it. You just need to jump on it. Scum is the faction that reacts most of the time.
It's an response to the argument "Rels voted Tumble when the vote was 2/2 Superbia / Tumble", not a general one. If Tumble was super townie but I voted him anyway 'cause I planned on doing that I would have looked terrible.
Grrrrr... Nobody says you planned it. But the fact is that it is a vite to save super at that point. I know it sucks if you are town but you can't defend yourself tthat regardless of your alignment.
On April 28 2016 01:08 sicklucker wrote: like even when super was with me in my last scum game. I could tell he was going to paly like shit after carrying that pyp game.
Hes like really weird he will play a perfect scum game (hes beat me twice in final 3) then he will tottaly shit the bed next game. in some huge game imperial I think I busted him day one and he was so bad that i fake claimed cop or something trying to get him lynched.
And this was his third scum roll inarow... Ya its expected he was going to suck really. im sure super knew it and maybe would have mentioned it
If this is true, this points at you being his partner and voting him early TBH. If he was feeling terrible, he would have known he needed to fakeclaim and Tumble or I would have bused him way harder, protected by the fact that he was going to fakeclaim.
well I didnt bus super the game before... and he asked me to I cant make this shit up.
Super wanted me to bus him all game but I went out of my way to keep him alive.
Like this is something that acualy happened. I killed rstoulin for the specific reason that if she flipped scum super would look alot more townie and not get lynched.
I said the logic in the third party qt if you think im making this up for any reason
Sry that is a flawed logic. Just because in one game where Superbia didn't look super terrible you didn't bus him doesn't prove that in another game where Superbia looked terrible from the start you didn't bus him. And it's not even taking into account the fact that in that game Superbia was your only buddy and your jailkeeper.
And the fact that super looked way less terrible in storm.
On April 28 2016 01:18 justanothertownie wrote: Grrrrr... Nobody says you planned it. But the fact is that it is a vite to save super at that point. I know it sucks if you are town but you can't defend yourself tthat regardless of your alignment.
False. This "planning" is actually the argument p: the argument is "Rels voted Tumble when it was 2/2", so yeah the timing part of the vote is the argument. It would be true if I had suddenly voted Tumble over Superbia when nothing in particular happened. .But since my vote was motivated by an event happening in the thread, the argument doesn't prove anything anymore.
No, it is not. You can just jump at an opportunity to save your buddy. Noone says you planned to vote someone else at a specific point in time or votecount. Don't be silly.
On April 28 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote: Also he has clearly been pushing/testing the waters for an early game end (aka killing me before we have to, aka objectively suboptimal play that a townie should not be doing) SL has also been joining in which has me worried
If you believe that is what's happening you didn't read the last few pages
Maybe he is wrong about the order you 2 did that but in general he is right, no?
On April 29 2016 01:17 sicklucker wrote: like the 10 second plan has no purpose when I can elimate the mislynch pool by one. and I fucking told you the plan already so its bloody pointless...
I wanted to see how you would react by saying I would not move my vote. You immediately going to the "I'm confirmed" plan is suspicious. That does not make you scum but you could have been confirmed town
On April 29 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: hey jat how do you feel about everything thats happened in this game?
jat- its non alignment related really
but ya some unbiased opinions would be nice
Rels reaction was weird. I mean it obviously did not make you confirmed town but why did he fight this so hard if he believes you are town anyways? Very strange.
On April 29 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: hey jat how do you feel about everything thats happened in this game?
jat- its non alignment related really
but ya some unbiased opinions would be nice
Rels reaction was weird. I mean it obviously did not make you confirmed town but why did he fight this so hard if he believes you are town anyways? Very strange.
Just because I think he's town doesn't mean I can't question him. I expected him to do one thing as town and he did another AND claim at the same time it confirmed him town. I agree it didn't need the pages we spent on it though.
On April 29 2016 03:26 justanothertownie wrote: "You could be confirmed town". No, he couldn't. You explained why yourself....
I basically would have never considered him to vote if he unvoted seconds before deadline. I think the temptation to iwn the game right there is too strong
Come on. You expect scum SL to believe you really keep your vote on tumble as town? If you don't then he couldn't have been confirmed town.
On April 30 2016 03:39 sicklucker wrote: Like its clear jat does not want to make a decision unless he has to make a decision. and im kind of in the same boat. Neither of us really think we can influence the other perhaps? But I really wanna know who he would vote here incase he dies. Clearly I have not made up my mind.
I am still in the same place I was earlier. I haven't made up my mind either and I don't really see why I should when in a few hours I am either dead or - if the last mafia is stupid - have one less person to worry about.
On May 02 2016 07:00 Tumblewood wrote: Classic last second vote to maybe avoid the banlist
Seriously dude. How are you complaining about anything? You apparently had enough time to post in games where you have nothing to prove but you couldn't be arsed to even try not to lose this one for your team.
On May 02 2016 07:01 Rels wrote: SL you got me. I got lucky Tumble didn't have time to play. I played a super good game apart from D1 until your trap. I fell into it 100% and you should have lynched me.
On May 02 2016 07:07 Rels wrote: GG hosts, clean and well hosted game. Opened the obs QT, there is a mention of "should have modkill Onegu"; I have no idea what you are tlaking about but I guess I'll see when I read it. GG town, everybody played pretty well. Even Tumble up until the last days, where you deserved to be lynched 100% for this activity. GG bronegu and supbarbro!
I made a mistake not shooting SL at some point. JAT would have never come as close to voting me as SL I think. SL was the reason I was so close to being lynched too even though I think I played a pretty good game until his trap - with huge blunders D1 though.
I think you are wrong. I was seriously considering you are mafia for the crap you posted during the nolynch cycle and my earlier analysis heavily pointed towards it aswell. It's the reason I really wanted to be nightkilled because I didn't eant to be in SLs spot.
On May 02 2016 07:01 Rels wrote: SL you got me. I got lucky Tumble didn't have time to play. I played a super good game apart from D1 until your trap. I fell into it 100% and you should have lynched me.
And you started blatantly lying today too....
I lied all game though p: what are you talking about exactly ?
"Activity is alignment indicative for me!" "JAT doesn't lynch high profile players"
That alone is enough reason to lynch you. Especially the first one.
On May 02 2016 07:07 Rels wrote: GG hosts, clean and well hosted game. Opened the obs QT, there is a mention of "should have modkill Onegu"; I have no idea what you are tlaking about but I guess I'll see when I read it. GG town, everybody played pretty well. Even Tumble up until the last days, where you deserved to be lynched 100% for this activity. GG bronegu and supbarbro!
I made a mistake not shooting SL at some point. JAT would have never come as close to voting me as SL I think. SL was the reason I was so close to being lynched too even though I think I played a pretty good game until his trap - with huge blunders D1 though.
I think you are wrong. I was seriously considering you are mafia for the crap you posted during the nolynch cycle and my earlier analysis heavily pointed towards it aswell. It's the reason I really wanted to be nightkilled because I didn't eant to be in SLs spot.
Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't have changed anything 'cause you would have 100% lynch TUmble given his last day. But you seem to have a hard time lynching a scum that is difficult to catch.
On May 02 2016 07:07 Rels wrote: GG hosts, clean and well hosted game. Opened the obs QT, there is a mention of "should have modkill Onegu"; I have no idea what you are tlaking about but I guess I'll see when I read it. GG town, everybody played pretty well. Even Tumble up until the last days, where you deserved to be lynched 100% for this activity. GG bronegu and supbarbro!
I made a mistake not shooting SL at some point. JAT would have never come as close to voting me as SL I think. SL was the reason I was so close to being lynched too even though I think I played a pretty good game until his trap - with huge blunders D1 though.
I think you are wrong. I was seriously considering you are mafia for the crap you posted during the nolynch cycle and my earlier analysis heavily pointed towards it aswell. It's the reason I really wanted to be nightkilled because I didn't eant to be in SLs spot.
Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't have changed anything 'cause you would have 100% lynch TUmble given his last day. But you seem to have a hard time lynching a scum that is difficult to catch.
I call bs on that.
That's what I felt like during the no lynch day.
Then you felt wrong. I just really really wanted to die to not have to go through what SL had to.
On May 02 2016 07:16 rsoultin wrote: god i can 100% understand sl here though (even disregarding the fact that i'm not sure i would have ever gotten out of my tunnel on tumble anyway)
if you can't decide between the two and you're faced with lynching rels or tumble...the thought of lynching rels and being WRONG would just be like gah! no choice, have to lynch tumble
lol >< (honestly if someone can't spew themselves town they really should be lynched earlier imo...so at least you can recover from the mistake)
i disagree quite a bit with this
activity in lylo is a bad metric, particularly for someone who is going to tryhard regardless of alignment or be inactive regardless of alignment. plus all of the stuff on rels saving the RB was extremely compelling and made him borderline slamdunk mafia.
your reads are always so good when you're the host
also, tbh rit i was talking about if you were about equally uncertain between the two, not who should have been more scumread here
if you're stuck between two people and one had generally objectively played much better than the other, it is pretty natural to prefer to vote the one who has put in less effort. i don't actually condone the "who deserves to win" mentality, but all things being equal? yeah
tbh in f3, effort level isn't usually a factor at all for me. but everyone handles that stress differently.
There is effort level and there is "has done loads of scummy shit all game and doing absolutely nothing in LYLO" like, I love to bash SL but this loss is 100% on tumble. He did not even vote ffs.
On May 02 2016 07:32 justanothertownie wrote: sigh
There is effort level and there is "has done loads of scummy shit all game and doing absolutely nothing in LYLO" like, I love to bash SL but this loss is 100% on tumble. He did not even vote ffs.
ok fine jat loss is on me you can stop now
Sure, sorry. Just don't do that again.
Where do you play voice - TS? I am not in any shape to speak but I might enjoy listening since I can't sleep anyways.
On May 02 2016 08:08 Rels wrote: I replied to that too im pretty sure So dumb
Yeah, that's why I thought he is the medic if SL isn't. How can you guys miss that? ^^
You're a bastard btw. I read the scum qt. Your "putting suspicion on JAT" thing worked btw. (not in the game - but you convinced rayn/obs that you were really towny and I HAD to be mafia with it!).
On May 02 2016 08:08 Rels wrote: I replied to that too im pretty sure So dumb
Yeah, that's why I thought he is the medic if SL isn't. How can you guys miss that? ^^
You're a bastard btw. I read the scum qt. Your "putting suspicion on JAT" thing worked btw. (not in the game - but you convinced rayn/obs that you were really towny and I HAD to be mafia with it!).
Why am I a bastard ? And yeah I wanted to get you lynched in your own game but I pussied out when everybody hard townread you
On May 02 2016 07:32 justanothertownie wrote: sigh
There is effort level and there is "has done loads of scummy shit all game and doing absolutely nothing in LYLO" like, I love to bash SL but this loss is 100% on tumble. He did not even vote ffs.
i am not trying to bash SL, whether it was him or you there both were going to be in a rough spot because mafia was dominating the thread narrative and the town was mia. i just think "this loss is 100% on tumble" isn't a particularly helpful stance to take in regards to trying to improve as a player. even if tumble squandered away 100 hours and the game is largely his fault, it wasn't unwinnable per se. the correct arguments were made to find rels as mafia, and i felt from a host perspective that the case on rels was much stronger than the case on tumble. there's learning to be had here if you're looking for it; is my point, not just blame the afk guy.
Usually you would have point. Maybe. But since the guy didn't even vote it is literally impossible to win for whoever is town with him.
On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote: well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm
That was what JAT did aswell.
+ he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it.
Nope.
I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town.
Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit.
On May 02 2016 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sure bro. I am a bit puzzled though how my reads were astonishingly bad when you scumread the same people at D2-D3 i did (except with my control Superbia would have been shot on N1 most likely) aside you ofc, but it is unlike you would scumread yourself anyways. Are you saying you played astonishingly bad aswell or what's with the "bash rayn"?
hint: you didn't play good yourself.
The astonishingly bad comment was ritoky not me. I called a vigshot on 2 people, one of them was mafia. I did call superbia mafia all game and was about to vote him when he fakeclaimed. We lynched him day2. Correct play.
I correctly analyzed the votecounts later and said it points towards Onegu+Rels and also had this combination as one of the most likely teams while you never had a single correct scumread besides superbia after his claim which quite frankly everyone had correct. You said Onegu is town for whatever nebulous reason and you said rels is town for a really shitty reason. I did neither. Every scumread of yours was town. This was certainly not my best game - I will give you that. But the whole town including me had better reads than you.
On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote: well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm
That was what JAT did aswell.
+ he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it.
Nope.
I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town.
Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit.
Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town. I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS.
Bro, you even said it would be a good idea for super to go after palmar in the scum qt. And no, I certainly would not treat my scum partner this way.
On May 02 2016 18:35 justanothertownie wrote: I correctly analyzed the votecounts later and said it points towards Onegu+Rels and also had this combination as one of the most likely teams while you never had a single correct scumread besides superbia after his claim which quite frankly everyone had correct.
idk when you did that but from what i see you voted for Shapelog and Tumblewood on D3 when i stopped following the game at the start of that day. It's kinda bs to say your reads were better AFTER i didn't read anymore, when at the time i did read your reads were the same.
I never townread those people so by definition our reads were not the same.
On May 02 2016 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like here is a fact for you JAT:
When i stopped following the game not a single person in the game had found more mafia than i did, except for sicklucker (and maybe gumshoe, i am not sure). Definitely not you.
Sicklucker? The guy who said shapelog was confirmed mafia? Why don't you just admit that you didn't even read the game.
On May 02 2016 17:38 sicklucker wrote: well.. it had nothing to do with his activity. it had everything to do with him refusing to vote his scum read who flipped roleblocker while at the same time they both decided to vote to save each other voting with there scum reads.
so randooomm
That was what JAT did aswell.
+ he tried to argue it makes him town. + he tried to argue he didn't actually say that when he got called out of it.
Nope.
I did not argue my vote made me town. I DID argue that my interactions with super made me town which was 100 % true. The only thing I later said is that it doesn't make me CONFIRMED town.
Seriously dude. You made a bad read/let scum fool you with bullshit. No way or need to defend it with even more bullshit.
Bro that "JAT is town because of his interactions with Superbia" from gumshoe was super bad because I would have done the exact same if I was active when he posted that bad post on Palmar. It didn't make you town, any good scum would bash his partner when he made that awful post. I was pretty helpless when gumshoe was convinced you were confirmed town for this reason when I knew it was BS but I didn't dare arguee about it when you were actually town. I thought you were pretty townie though, not for that reason, but for being there all the time and moderating things that were said in the thread and calling the BS.
Bro, you even said it would be a good idea for super to go after palmar in the scum qt. And no, I certainly would not treat my scum partner this way.
I thought that when gumshoe made this huge post about Superbia being town for going on Palmar. Doesn't change the fact that I would have pressured him for that post if I was active when it was posted. I did actually, but it was later, after he was out of the thread.
On May 02 2016 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like here is a fact for you JAT:
When i stopped following the game not a single person in the game had found more mafia than i did, except for sicklucker (and maybe gumshoe, i am not sure). Definitely not you.
Sicklucker? The guy who said shapelog was confirmed mafia? Why don't you just admit that you didn't even read the game.
And where exactly did your vote end up on that day?
On May 02 2016 18:44 Rels wrote: lol this fight p: rayn commited to his reads so it's pretty unfair to call him out when it's like impossible to have solved the game D2 and from the obs QT, so without being able to pressure people into the things he called out to see if they are true or not
*day3
And I am not calling him out for being unable to solve the game since obviously noone had done so at that point in time. But he ranted and ranted about how something completely nai makes me "100 % scum" and how he would always lynch me for it while townreading both mafia. When clearly it did not make me mafia and everyone besides him was easily able to see it. It just means he would always be terrible.
People just shouldn't join 2 games at the same time unless they are ABSOLUTELY sure they can deal with it. It really had a big influence on this game overall.
On May 02 2016 18:56 Rels wrote: Shape EOD1 was the scummier of any player apart from Superbia himself. It was an easy lynch to push
I think tumble not voting his counterwagon is a lot worse than what shape did even though that was weird too. But had we lynched tumble before shape this argument wouldn't have been used so much.
On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote: yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player?
I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.
So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too.
It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
"If I'm the vigi I'm shooting Palmar. If I'm the doctor I'm saving Gumshoe."
1 hour before EoN.
To affect PR actions during the night. That may clear up the way for KP on Palmar.
I think no doc ever protects Palmar after that post. Or at least it's less likely. This BS theory of "he's keeping options open" was so bad though, ofc he will claim doc D2. p:
Yes, nothing he did after the claim was really believable. He could have made the doc cc had he put in some effort but apparently he didn't want to. Well, somewhat understandable if you have scum burnout.
On May 02 2016 19:05 justanothertownie wrote: Totally called it btw:
On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote: yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player?
I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.
So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too.
It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town.
Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense.
Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time.
On May 02 2016 19:05 justanothertownie wrote: Totally called it btw:
On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote: yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><
pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player?
I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.
So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum. Unless the post in bold actually exist. Tumble I'm waiting for the source too.
It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.
Well, his defense being "yeah I messed up", it wasn't very convinced. =D I would definitely tunneled him into oblivion if I was town for this. Way harder than I did here actually, I was happy to keep him until LYLO to have an easy scumread to push all the time. No way I wouldn't have him killed D3 as town.
Exactly. I think I mentioned that I was extremely weirded out by you not pushing for tumble over onegu on day 4 (?). From your perspective that didn't make any sense.
Still in my experience stuff like this comes from townies all the fucking time.
You were 100% right, me busing Onegu was a little obvious actually. But I feared that if I was pushing Tumble while having Onegu as my #2 scumread, I would also be obvious partner trying to get Tumble lynched while scumreading his partner just in case. IDK it was a hard situation and I chose the easy way.
On May 02 2016 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: It honestly doesn't matter what your interactions with Superbia were. The fact is that regardless of your interactions you scumread him, refused to vote for him over some random person on D1, then called a vigishot on someone else aside him despite telling that you think he is with over 50% certainty scum (when Fazers was clearly just null and nothing more -- especially compared to his play - or lack of it - on D1). Then you tried to argue somehow your interactions with Superbia make you town (yes that's literally what you said in thread), when your actions regarding Superbia speak 100% otherwise. Yes, i was wrong, but still, i would 100% lynch anyone who does that, especially if it is a player of your caliber. That is just terrible play -- if it is coming from town.
The bolded is why what you are saying is so terrible. Of course it matters. Like the rest of my play which was easy townread by everyone else. To adress your points: I did not refuse to vote superbia at all. I was about to vote him (literally had it typed out) after I said I would sheep Palmar on him. He then claimed a role and barring a cc it is always the correct play not to lynch him then. There is nothing wrong with that. I did call for a vigshot on him. I retracted that later and said we should shoot in the lurkers/unknowns instead. True. Which is also the correct play since you would have to be 100 % sure superbia is mafia to call a shot on him here. And there is no way to be THAT sure. Lynching him day2 and giving the real doc a chance to cc if needed is way better than to handle this in the nightphase. This is always the correct way to proceed.
If you 100 % lynch anyone who does that then you are 100 % wrong and terrible on top of it.
In a closed setup you have a point Palmar. But not in an open setup. If super is town he always trades with a mafia or becomes confirmed town in theory.
On May 02 2016 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it is, even if he fucked up on D1 as town, there is no way he fucks up like that as N1. I mean like ofc you can never be 100% certain, but there is no reason to counter-claim him in a situation like that or assume a real power role that plays properly cc's him. Even if it Vivax, just always shoot them.
No, no, no. Yes, he should do stuff in the night but not everyone does that. Vigging a claimed powerrole without a cc in an OPEN setup is insanely dumb.
On May 02 2016 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it is, even if he fucked up on D1 as town, there is no way he fucks up like that as N1. I mean like ofc you can never be 100% certain, but there is no reason to counter-claim him in a situation like that or assume a real power role that plays properly cc's him. Even if it Vivax, just always shoot them.
No, no, no. Yes, he should do stuff in the night but not everyone does that. Vigging a claimed powerrole without a cc in an OPEN setup is insanely dumb.
So let's say Superbia actually played his A-game on D2. I am gonna come out and say that you would have lynched Obi the doctor over him there and oh boy you would have felt stupid. If you also count his D1 and N1 play here -- on the lynch on D2, why do you need to counter-claim / would not shoot him again?
erm, what?
If super played his A-game on D2 then gumshoe would cc him and we would lynch superbia. And it is very different if you don't do much as claimed pr in the night vs. when you are being lynched the day after. How you can argue anything else is beyond me.
On May 02 2016 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it is, even if he fucked up on D1 as town, there is no way he fucks up like that as N1. I mean like ofc you can never be 100% certain, but there is no reason to counter-claim him in a situation like that or assume a real power role that plays properly cc's him. Even if it Vivax, just always shoot them.
No, no, no. Yes, he should do stuff in the night but not everyone does that. Vigging a claimed powerrole without a cc in an OPEN setup is insanely dumb.
So let's say Superbia actually played his A-game on D2. I am gonna come out and say that you would have lynched Obi the doctor over him there and oh boy you would have felt stupid. If you also count his D1 and N1 play here -- on the lynch on D2, why do you need to counter-claim / would not shoot him again?
erm, what?
If super played his A-game on D2 then gumshoe would cc him and we would lynch superbia. And it is very different if you don't do much as claimed pr in the night vs. when you are being lynched the day after. How you can argue anything else is beyond me.
Because if Superbia is mafia which is likely you don't out a power role and waste D2 into talking about nothing but him (which the town did -- it always happens).
If Superbia is town he will get shot anyways on N1 because he is a good player AND a power role.
Like he was clearly the scummiest player in the game besides the claim and therefore the best shot. Shooting him as vigi doesn't make it any worse since he will almost always get shot by scum if he is town as it is expected he will play on D2 and if he is mafia there is clearly profit in shooting him.
No, he does not always get shot. They can just rb him. And it doesn't even matter since what you are saying is that in case he is town we should just waste our vigshot. Great plan.
On May 02 2016 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it is, even if he fucked up on D1 as town, there is no way he fucks up like that as N1. I mean like ofc you can never be 100% certain, but there is no reason to counter-claim him in a situation like that or assume a real power role that plays properly cc's him. Even if it Vivax, just always shoot them.
No, no, no. Yes, he should do stuff in the night but not everyone does that. Vigging a claimed powerrole without a cc in an OPEN setup is insanely dumb.
So let's say Superbia actually played his A-game on D2. I am gonna come out and say that you would have lynched Obi the doctor over him there and oh boy you would have felt stupid. If you also count his D1 and N1 play here -- on the lynch on D2, why do you need to counter-claim / would not shoot him again?
erm, what?
If super played his A-game on D2 then gumshoe would cc him and we would lynch superbia. And it is very different if you don't do much as claimed pr in the night vs. when you are being lynched the day after. How you can argue anything else is beyond me.
Because if Superbia is mafia which is likely you don't out a power role and waste D2 into talking about nothing but him (which the town did -- it always happens).
If Superbia is town he will get shot anyways on N1 because he is a good player AND a power role.
Like he was clearly the scummiest player in the game besides the claim and therefore the best shot. Shooting him as vigi doesn't make it any worse since he will almost always get shot by scum if he is town as it is expected he will play on D2 and if he is mafia there is clearly profit in shooting him.
No, he does not always get shot. They can just rb him. And it doesn't even matter since what you are saying is that in case he is town we should just waste our vigshot. Great plan.
I am pretty sure this town wasted a mislynch because they shot a completely null player who ended up being town.
That's exactly what vigshots are good for. Getting rid of lurkers/question marks. They should not be used to stack with mafia.
On May 02 2016 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it is, even if he fucked up on D1 as town, there is no way he fucks up like that as N1. I mean like ofc you can never be 100% certain, but there is no reason to counter-claim him in a situation like that or assume a real power role that plays properly cc's him. Even if it Vivax, just always shoot them.
No, no, no. Yes, he should do stuff in the night but not everyone does that. Vigging a claimed powerrole without a cc in an OPEN setup is insanely dumb.
So let's say Superbia actually played his A-game on D2. I am gonna come out and say that you would have lynched Obi the doctor over him there and oh boy you would have felt stupid. If you also count his D1 and N1 play here -- on the lynch on D2, why do you need to counter-claim / would not shoot him again?
erm, what?
If super played his A-game on D2 then gumshoe would cc him and we would lynch superbia. And it is very different if you don't do much as claimed pr in the night vs. when you are being lynched the day after. How you can argue anything else is beyond me.
Because if Superbia is mafia which is likely you don't out a power role and waste D2 into talking about nothing but him (which the town did -- it always happens).
If Superbia is town he will get shot anyways on N1 because he is a good player AND a power role.
Like he was clearly the scummiest player in the game besides the claim and therefore the best shot. Shooting him as vigi doesn't make it any worse since he will almost always get shot by scum if he is town as it is expected he will play on D2 and if he is mafia there is clearly profit in shooting him.
No, he does not always get shot. They can just rb him. And it doesn't even matter since what you are saying is that in case he is town we should just waste our vigshot. Great plan.
Like if you wanna talk theory then talk theory. But don't talk theory and ignore what actually happened when it suits you and vice versa. In theory, regardless of Superbia's alignment, first of all when he claimed, if you want to make him accountable of his claim, make him claim a ROLE and not just blue. When noone counter-claims him on D1 it is expected noone will counter-claim him on D2 either. If someone counter-claims him, you either have to discount everything Superbia did on D1 and N1, or otherwise there is no need for counter-claim. If Superbia is town, any mafia up for lynch on D2 will obviously counter-claim him 100% of the time. Then you end up again in a dumb spot where at worst you have lynched a townie (GB here) and a blue role -- possibly even shot another fucking townie on N1 aswell. Instead of just.. shooting the scum on N1. Again, if you do not discount what Superbia did on D1 and N1, why cc anyways?
It was too late to reliably get a cc day1. No point in making him commit to a role if it only helps mafia if he is town and also outs the real powerrole during the night.
On May 02 2016 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk, maybe it's just me. Keep the game simple. A lot of games nowadays people don't keep the game simple. And town loses.
We did keep it simple and this certainly wasn't why town lost.
On May 02 2016 20:10 rsoultin wrote: o.0 oh good lord
super was a fine lynch, especially because doc didn't need to cc and we didn't pussy out
i personally would have shot him but that was for his overall play which had me 100% convinced he was mafia fake-claiming, particularly how he reacted to jat's comment when he was supposedly trying to wifom scum. i'm not sure that shooting anyone who claims d1 would have been the right move
but honestly, jat, rayn scumreads me on the regular for bad things (like the gb progression which he either didn't understand or didn't read closely enough, or my not scumreading you because he would have for reasons similar to why i was scumreading tumble). that doesn't make him bad, though, lol. neither of you are bad
and i'm pretty sure no one was terribly right at that time...
If he does that once it doesn't make him bad. But the factual basis for the reasons he stated is completely untrue. And the fact that is really annoying me about this is how he just refuses to learn/see his mistake to say he would 100 % lynch anyone who plays like I did when I did nothing wrong at all.
On May 02 2016 20:10 rsoultin wrote: i personally would have shot him but that was for his overall play which had me 100% convinced he was mafia fake-claiming, particularly how he reacted to jat's comment when he was supposedly trying to wifom scum. i'm not sure that shooting anyone who claims d1 would have been the right move
That's what i was arguing. I don't necessarily agree on lynching him D1. Seeing his play N1 he was clearly the best shot.
On Fazers. I don't think he was a good shot at all. Basically it was clear that the guy didn't really know what to do on D1 (or was faking that as mafia). imo you can't possibly tell which one is the correct answer. What happened at the eod 1 was: - People "randomly" lynched Glowingbear (noone could make anything out of those votes -- the people who seemed bad, or could have been scum for them were Tumble and JAT, both of which were town) - Superbia claimed blue (almost noone could apparently figure out if this makes him mafia or not)
Now why does Fazers suddenly have to have some super fucking great insight on the game when absolutely noone else in the game can make anything out of what happened at the eod1 (yes, that was the thread sentiment). Knowing he was for sure a guy who doesn't really know what to do on D1, why should he know something more on N1?
Like... The amount of information he thinks is reliable at point A was X. People do not think Fazers is mafia at A. Time goes by and suddenly people start calling him scum on point B when the amount of information for him is still X. It's just.... bs..
First of all your conclusion that the votes only make tumble and me look scummy has no actual basis and is clearly total bullshit. Also: "There is a guy who refuses to do anything without flips/wagons. Now there is a flip, there are multiple wagons and a claim. Why would he ever be able to make a read out of something like that? Let's just keep him alive until LYLO and see if he has anything to say then" Utterly retarded.
On May 02 2016 20:13 justanothertownie wrote: If he does that once it doesn't make him bad. But the factual basis for the reasons he stated is completely untrue. And the fact that is really annoying me about this is how he just refuses to learn/see his mistake to say he would 100 % lynch anyone who plays like I did when I did nothing wrong at all.
I havent stated anything incorrect based on the thread or your filter.
Yes, yes you did. "Refused to vote superbia" "says his vote day makes him town"etc. etc.
But you clearly don't want to learn from your mistakes or why you were wrong and fell for mafia bsing at maximum level so we can end this discussion for all I care.
On May 02 2016 20:25 justanothertownie wrote: First of all your conclusion that the votes only make tumble and me look scummy has no actual basis and is clearly total bullshit.
Both of you refused to vote for your scumread Superbia when he was one of the two wagons. It is a fact.
No, it isn't. I did say I would sheep Palmar and I would have followed through if not for the fakeclaim. If my eod1 was scummy then everyones eod1 was scummy except for SL who wasn't around.
On May 02 2016 20:23 Rels wrote: Fazer was a perfectly fine vig shot, 100% coinflip I think unless your name is SL or ritoky + super inactive, that is what vig are for.
That's not what i am arguing though. I am arguing it is bs to call a vigi shot on him on N1 if you didn't scumread him on D1.
Thee was nothing to read him anything which is exactly why he was a really good vigshot.
On May 02 2016 20:25 justanothertownie wrote: First of all your conclusion that the votes only make tumble and me look scummy has no actual basis and is clearly total bullshit.
Both of you refused to vote for your scumread Superbia when he was one of the two wagons. It is a fact.
No, it isn't. I did say I would sheep Palmar and I would have followed through if not for the fakeclaim. If my eod1 was scummy then everyones eod1 was scummy except for SL who wasn't around.
Yeah because you are always non-commital you can turn anything into your favor.
Seriously, there were wagons on Superbia and Tumblewood. You called Superbia, sicklucker and GB mafia. You argued for fucking hours with Superbia (and against him) and ended up on voting GB when noone else was because "i dont' wanna decide a day 1 lynch".
Could you be more on the fence? lol ^^ And you can't see why people would think this is scummy and you did "nothing wrong"? If we are really honest JAT, that is really fucking scummy.
No, it really fucking isn't. Which is evidenced by the simple fact that I am town and this isn't the first time I tried not to lynch a day1 lynch because I always have to do so and I hate it. Being on the fence is not a scumtell.
But keep being bad and lynch people for not having some retarded overconfidence in bad reads like you apparently do if you want. You are clearly intent on never improving.
On May 02 2016 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: and yes, you literally refused to vote for your scumread when he was one of the two wagons. you can't even fucking argue against that.
Yes, I can. I don't think you know what the word refused means.
On May 02 2016 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Being on the fence is a scumtell when the guy you are on the fence on is mafia and you think he is mafia and the other guy up for lynch is not a guy you think is mafia. Like i get people go away from logic in this game more and more but is this some kinda wonderland nowadays?
You just said I scumread both super and GB. So what the fuck are you even talking about? You are really just pulling shit out of your ass.
Not to mention that the alignment of the guy is not known to me as a townie so fencesitting can't be scummy because of it. Either fencesitting is always scummy or it just isn't.
On May 02 2016 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Being on the fence is a scumtell when the guy you are on the fence on is mafia and you think he is mafia and the other guy up for lynch is not a guy you think is mafia. Like i get people go away from logic in this game more and more but is this some kinda wonderland nowadays?
You just said I scumread both super and GB. So what the fuck are you even talking about? You are really just pulling shit out of your ass.
Because there are literally zero votes on Glowingbear and your post where you vote for him you imply you don't even wanna lynch him because you are "tired of choosing D1 lynches". It is not an unreasonable to assume that Superbia (your mafia read) can get lynched if you vote for him. It is not unreasonable to assume that Tumblewood (not your mafia read) can get lynched if you don't do anything about it. Both of the assumptions above are at that point more likely than that Glowingbear (your mafia read) gets lynched if you vote for him, especially when you say you don't even care if other people follow you or not.
So regardless of any of those three people's alignments you, at that point of the game, chose to not take a stance on a lynch when it's likely one of Superbia/Tumble gets lynched - when one of them is your scumread and the other one is not. What happens after, or whatever you would have done based on things that didn't happen is irrelevant.
I am not sure why i have to even explain why this can be seen (and should be seen) as scummy....
You are making the assumption that I could never change my vote again once I voted GB. Which is obviously extremely retarded. Of course I would have voted Super again if it came down to a 1v1 between him and tumble and I was literally about to. And as you can see people sheeped me instead so from your "things that didn't happen are irrelevant point of view" I did everything right by lynching my scumread GB and making my vote count.
I am not even sure why I have to explain this to you.
But this is seriously the last thing I will say to this. You are clearly grasping at straws to justify your awful stance on my play this game and won't let facts or reasonable thinking get in your way. Good thing you weren't in this game as town. We would have lost incredibly hard.
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