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On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote: nononono when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2" then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die" like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon This is so BS. The real explanation is simpler: they are partners and Superbia was RB. | ||
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1. Tumble lied about his thought process D1. Townie do not lie about their thought process or invent why they posted something. That's going back to D1, but that's still the biggest point against him. Apart maybe from his activity pattern. To resume, Tumble asked rsoul early in the game to commit on an opinion on Fazer. rsoul later asked Tumble why he wanted her to commit. Tumble explained with the following: he was suspicious of a rsoul post in which she was OK to lynch Fazers. This post exists, but is made AFTER Tumble's question. That means several things: 1 - Tumble lied about his thought process. He said his original question was made because of a rsoul post that wasn't made a the time. Townie can forget the reason they make posts; what they don't is make up reasons. 2 - The scum thought process is logical; rsoul DID make the post Tumble is talking about - but after Tumble's question. What happened is that Tumble caught up, read the post and noted rsoul was OK to lynch Fazer for little reason; then when asked about why he pressured rsoul into her Fazer read, he bring up the rsoul post. Posts relevant to this (last post by rsoul sum up the situation): + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub? On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote: so yeah still not sure who is actually scum here :/ it's kinda hard cause most of the people who have been posting i have some (if in general pretty weak) reasons to townread i think i favor lynching superbia/fazer @fazer...if you're just new town, dude, let me help you out. you're probably not going to find anything that makes you think someone is super scum, especially if you've never played with any of us before. but if you don't talk about what you think, who might be scum, etc. we have no way of reading you. posting your thoughts/reads is actually more important for us figuring out your alignment than anything else slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote: yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol >< pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player? On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote: I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though. On April 17 2016 05:10 rsoultin wrote: ...lol wow >< just wow okay yeah we can lynch tumble, or perhaps you'd like to try again and explain how you can see into the future and knew that i would later say i was okay with lynching fazer when you wrote this question 2. His activity pattern is scum indicative Basically, he is very inactive lately. He has dropped off since the start of the game, which is something a lot of scum do. He only posts when he needs to. Example: - during D4, his partner Onegu was lynched. He didn't post anything in the thread during the first 30 hours, but he ninja voted Onegu a few hours after the day start with no reasonning. Quotes: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2016 06:03 Tumblewood wrote: but speaking of not playing the game i'm going to be gone until several hours after flips His post before the start of D4. On April 24 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: ##vote: onegu Ninja vote. On April 25 2016 11:51 Tumblewood wrote: Onegu did have an explanation though... kinda. This is when he voted Shape: and then someone immediately points out that that makes no sense so the real weird thing is that his thought process was disconnected between his read and his vote. you know, the worst guide to mafia I ever read had freudian slips as a scumtell... Onegu may be the only validation for that. His first D4 post. - during D5, where it was a no-lynch, he had only an handful of posts, the first on which was a case on me, which was super bad. It was done when in his previous posts, it looked like he wanted to see if he could get SL lynched, then was forced back to me. - right now during D6, before his post earlier, he hadn't posted for 60 hours. He only posted when SL showed there was some possibility he could vote me. In his posts he also slips thazt he was fake AFK, 'cause he said "I will play now that I knoiw it really matters", IE he didn't post before BECAUSE he thought he would be lynched anyway. A townie does not do that, but fighting when you're the underdog as scum is very hard. 3. D1, he didn't vote Superbia to survive but switched to GB to survive Superbia was RB, GB was VT. Tumble didn't the RB to survive even though he scumread him. BUT he voted the VT to survive even though he was null reading him. Won't expand there because it has been discussed to death. 4. His reads are mostly unexplained or 1-line, with 2 exceptions. This whole game, all of his reads have been shallowed. This is really different from what he's doing in other game I can't talk about. The two exceptions are: - rsoul read. This one was super bad, riddled by bad reasons to scumread her. The worst part was when he scumread Superbia for being AFK; rsoul scumread Superbia for being AFK and having scum burnout; and Tumble - the case on me. I responded to it, it was pretty bad and made after he realized he couldn't go for SL. No points made me scum apart from the no-voting Superbia, which is scummy from his POV if he's town. But even then he insisted less on the timing on the vote and more on "Rels reasons to scumread me over Superbia were bad" even though that is a fucking lie. rsoultin agreed reasons I had on both Superbia and Tumble and voted Tumble, she was town, why this makes me scum when a flipped town did it ? 5. Some NKs point at him, and all NKs are logical for scum!Tumble First the NKs that do no point at Tumble, but are not town indicative either: N1: Palmar hard scumread Superbia and is a great player, so it's logical he died. N3: gumshoe was doc and hard scumread Onegu, so it's logical he died. N5: JAT died. It's the logical kill for scum!SL or scum!Tumble. I would probably kill SL in that position if I was scum though, since JAT showed a lot of doubts and is a player that has a hard time lynching high profile players in general, contrary to SL. These points at Tumble: N2: rsoul died while hard scumreading Tumble. She was not the most townread person in the thread so a reason for her kill has to exist. N4: OWS died. Neither scum!me or scum!SL would ever NK him when he showed the will to auto vote Tumble the day after. Both of us would have killed JAT. | ||
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1. My reads have been fluid and has evolved with every event that happened in thread. This is one of the way to catch me as scum. When I'm scum, after D1 where I freestyle the thread, I can take some time to react to certain stuff happening because I want to make plans and evaluate what I say - and I'm not the only one, it's well known that scums are in general more reactive than townies. But in this game I tried to see scum or town motivation behind every post I saw and asked questions when I saw something suspicious, which is my towntell. Again, see this rsoul quote: On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote: rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy ^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me 2. My activity pattern - I have been very active all the time This is the other way to catch me as scum, and TBF it's linked point 1. Point 1 is for my reads, point 2 is for my activity. I have a hard time posting all the time because playing scum is fucking difficult. That is what caused my downfall in PYP; I started out super strong, then when everyone townreads me, I feared posting in the thread knowing I could blow my townieness with a bad post. I remarked Superbia did the same in PYP BTW, at the point where I was lynched in PYP I thought Superbia was scum because his activity pattern were the same as mine; posting a lot and being townie when present, but AFK for large portions of time. This is not the case here. During week days, every morning or at least start of afternoon, I caught up, then was active all the day until I went to sleep. I reacted to every interesting post made while I was present, and I was present a large portion of the game. Only during certains weekends or specific days did I have an activity drop 'cause I was doing other stuff, and during my sleep ofc. 3. There are 3 kills that I would have never made as scum N2: rsoultin. She hard townreads me (see point 1), she hard scumreads Tumble. If I'm scum trying to mislynch Tumble, killing her is basically playing against my wincon. I'm not a dumb scum who shoot for WIFOM; I kill people that are right. N4: OWS. He said he would auto vote Tumble the day after. He meant it. OWS is not SL, he thought Tumble was 100% scum and was not doing anything else. Again, killing him instead of JAT or SL is playing against my wincon. N5: JAT. This one is less town indicative but is still true. Both JAT and SL were doubtful about who they thought was scum. But JAT is known for having a hard time lynching a high profile player. Furthermore, SL showed more willingness to vote me over JAT before the kill happened. I would have never not killed SL as scum. You can maybe explain ONE weird NK by WIFOM, but if I was scum I played very badly in regard to NK choices. And that is definitely not one of my scumtell - I'm a smart scum, go see PYP for an example. 4. I have been pushing the game forward and constantly trying to solve the game This is the last point and is not very strong because I am a good scum, I can fake this one well. It makes me mad to see me being a lynch candidate with how involved I am but I understand the fear read. | ||
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On May 01 2016 17:27 sicklucker wrote: ? im done playing dude im probably not gonna log on till 1 hour till vote to humor you.. You had fucking 90 hours shit On May 01 2016 18:55 Rels wrote: You're basically admitting you were fake AFK for 60 hours and only posted when you see you had a chance to not get lynched. no i'm never fake afk, just didn't expect anything much to happen yesterday or the day before, because come on there are three people in this game what's going to happen in the first 60 hours that couldn't happen in the last 12 | ||
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On May 02 2016 01:11 Tumblewood wrote: shit no i'm never fake afk, just didn't expect anything much to happen yesterday or the day before, because come on there are three people in this game what's going to happen in the first 60 hours that couldn't happen in the last 12 Why did you say "knowing it really matters" then ? Beucase it sounds like you thought it was worthless to post before, and after SL had a lot of posts on me being scum it mattered actually | ||
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my town play is usually scummy enough to get lynched anyway The most compelling thing IMO is how certain I was that Shape is scum On April 23 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote: Shape I'm not getting caught up in this. You're scum and either trying to fake distance from me or get my lynched and I won't deal with either of those. Right now all I care about are the people whose alignments are in question, and that's not you. and also when I thought I was going to die before JAT unvoted me last second On April 23 2016 06:56 Tumblewood wrote: if you lynch me and do not lynch jas -> onegu for the next two days i will be an overpowering mass of salt On April 23 2016 06:56 Tumblewood wrote: and you wanna know the real shitty reason i voted super On April 23 2016 06:57 Tumblewood wrote: shape said "tumble did't vote for survival" and i felt like if i switched he would just yell at me for onlyswitching then On April 23 2016 06:58 Tumblewood wrote: but he took it so out of context that ihe ignored the plan gotta suicide for those informations and i have the informations now kill shape kill onegu thank you Of course, there is also the whole Superbia fakeclaim thing that has been discussed to death. I admit it took me probably three instances of casing it for me to understand why it would even make me town, but from what I get Super fakeclaimed to try to get some votes temporarily off of him (and onto meeee) though he was almost certainly going to die the next day for it. I checked the timestamps of all the relevant posts and I don't think it was a "GB vs Superbia fight" at the time when he fakeclaimed (or at least got the idea to). JAT was the only one openly favoring a GB lynch at that time. also does it count as a reason if I say that I never tried to bus and I was rarely right because usually scum is more correct than I was and tries to extract town cred when their partners get lynched | ||
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On May 02 2016 01:17 Rels wrote: Why did you say "knowing it really matters" then ? Beucase it sounds like you thought it was worthless to post before, and after SL had a lot of posts on me being scum it mattered actually I have a really hard time getting motivation to play mafia when I'm not really fighting, and before I saw that I had some real support I didn't think it was much of a fight, just thrashing and flailing until I died. Also I was not sitting in thread until I saw SL posting, I was really gone. | ||
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On May 02 2016 00:47 Rels wrote: Why I am town 1. My reads have been fluid and has evolved with every event that happened in thread. This is one of the way to catch me as scum. When I'm scum, after D1 where I freestyle the thread, I can take some time to react to certain stuff happening because I want to make plans and evaluate what I say - and I'm not the only one, it's well known that scums are in general more reactive than townies. But in this game I tried to see scum or town motivation behind every post I saw and asked questions when I saw something suspicious, which is my towntell. Again, see this rsoul quote: 2. My activity pattern - I have been very active all the time This is the other way to catch me as scum, and TBF it's linked point 1. Point 1 is for my reads, point 2 is for my activity. I have a hard time posting all the time because playing scum is fucking difficult. That is what caused my downfall in PYP; I started out super strong, then when everyone townreads me, I feared posting in the thread knowing I could blow my townieness with a bad post. I remarked Superbia did the same in PYP BTW, at the point where I was lynched in PYP I thought Superbia was scum because his activity pattern were the same as mine; posting a lot and being townie when present, but AFK for large portions of time. This is not the case here. During week days, every morning or at least start of afternoon, I caught up, then was active all the day until I went to sleep. I reacted to every interesting post made while I was present, and I was present a large portion of the game. Only during certains weekends or specific days did I have an activity drop 'cause I was doing other stuff, and during my sleep ofc. 3. There are 3 kills that I would have never made as scum N2: rsoultin. She hard townreads me (see point 1), she hard scumreads Tumble. If I'm scum trying to mislynch Tumble, killing her is basically playing against my wincon. I'm not a dumb scum who shoot for WIFOM; I kill people that are right. N4: OWS. He said he would auto vote Tumble the day after. He meant it. OWS is not SL, he thought Tumble was 100% scum and was not doing anything else. Again, killing him instead of JAT or SL is playing against my wincon. N5: JAT. This one is less town indicative but is still true. Both JAT and SL were doubtful about who they thought was scum. But JAT is known for having a hard time lynching a high profile player. Furthermore, SL showed more willingness to vote me over JAT before the kill happened. I would have never not killed SL as scum. You can maybe explain ONE weird NK by WIFOM, but if I was scum I played very badly in regard to NK choices. And that is definitely not one of my scumtell - I'm a smart scum, go see PYP for an example. 4. I have been pushing the game forward and constantly trying to solve the game This is the last point and is not very strong because I am a good scum, I can fake this one well. It makes me mad to see me being a lynch candidate with how involved I am but I understand the fear read. 1. why do you never quote your own fluid reads and instead just quote rsoul saying you have fluid reads? townies can be wrong, you know. 2. activity is never a strong reason 3. yeah I agree, your ows nightkill was a pretty stupid move and could cost you the game 4. lol at "I understand the fear read" wow I should become an attorney or something | ||
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On May 02 2016 01:44 Tumblewood wrote: 1. why do you never quote your own fluid reads and instead just quote rsoul saying you have fluid reads? townies can be wrong, you know. 2. activity is never a strong reason 3. yeah I agree, your ows nightkill was a pretty stupid move and could cost you the game 4. lol at "I understand the fear read" wow I should become an attorney or something 1. Cause my argument is stronger if I show that a confirmed townie thought it too. It's not a mistake that she mentioned that specifically, in Drams I was scum, with SL actually p:, and rsoul got me right for partly that. 2. It is for me. 3. That is the thing - I do not make pretty stupid move, as either alignment. 4. OK. | ||
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The second you and super have an opening you both vote together to both stay alive. its pretty damning tbh. I know you were calling each other scum but thats when you do when one of you are about to flip mafia to get credit | ||
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On May 02 2016 02:53 sicklucker wrote: idk tumble more or less just admitted he was not gonna play unless I did something stupid like vote rels DO IT JUST DO IT + Show Spoiler + don't | ||
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