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I'll do my best to vote whoever, but I'll take my warning if I can't. Artanis if that is not acceptable for you I'm OK being removed from the game before the game's start. | ||
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On February 20 2016 00:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Do you not have a chance to check your phone at any point in the first 24 hours? If not, I can default you to vote for yourself. There is a possibility I do not have the opportunity to even phone post. Thanks for the proposition (= that would be cool | ||
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 will only miss the first 24 hours if it starts tonight! Cool | ||
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On February 23 2016 09:26 darthfoley wrote: I think A is a hard cell; Kuragari was low activity lynchbait in the only game I played with him; you're good and you've coached me so i'm wary of you for that reason, and I haven't played with SL before, but spec'd a game or two of his (no read on him). I don't understand the bolded. Why ritoky coaching you makes you wary of him ? | ||
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On February 23 2016 09:40 Damdred wrote: @darth I don't think ls is lymchbait either but neither of you to my memory have the best record of being read so far by town. So it would be good to get you guys playing fast and figuring it out under 50/50 imo and maybe one of you ls would be revealed town and then it comes down to figuring out rels. Damdred one of your argument for using 50/50 on our cell is "LS is lynchbait". Well, you have a god read on LS, so why would you hope for LS to be inno child when you can always tell if he's town or not in every game you see him play ? | ||
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On February 23 2016 14:38 Kuragari42 wrote: Not necessarily, but unless I get some strong town read on someone else, which is unlikely, I figure my odds are just as good with him as anyone else. No. You cannot think that. You have no read on ritoky nor SL (at the time of this post, I'm page 12 right now) and since you know you're in the same cells as them, ritoky's odds of being scum are waaaaaay higher than "anyone else". 33% vs 50%. This doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On February 24 2016 05:32 Damdred wrote: I don't even know what yo say now, I'm such obvious time you idiots should be able to say lol the other guy is scum at this point. Gid dammit why do I even fucking try anymore, fuck it ok I'll be like lazy damdred from now on little to no explanation and guiding the thread. Seriously fuck Town | ||
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On February 24 2016 22:00 Shapelog wrote: I like that thought of yours too. Mafia would just push the 1v1 instead of trying to convince Breshke not to use it. Especially since there are some more useful cells to use that on. I am going to look into VA after i catch up. My reasoning to TR him doesn't feel good to me after sleeping. I 100% disagree with both you and Damdred. The only scums that are OK with using 50/50 are scums that are heavily townread, as 1v1 puts them in a position where the other guy is lynched. Scums that are scumread do not want to 50/50 used as they might lose the 1V1 fight. If Breshke is scum, he is MORE likely to be lynched in a 1v1 than in a 1v2. | ||
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On February 24 2016 05:58 Vivax wrote: Second cause it seems like an easy group and it gives me some more time to solve the game, im already tinfoiling about my kush tr cause of some stuff hes been asking that was bad/pointless/uninformed. This seems super weird to me because: - it's apparently a well-known fact that you just give up as scum, so I don't understand why you wouldn't want to go later so it's sure you're town - this tinfoil is so forced it seems to be only there 'cause someone said you're tinfoiling as town What posts made you doubt your kush townread ? | ||
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VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now. DF => useless LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him. Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on. bum => useless. OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP. Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game. Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that. SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes. kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL. | ||
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On February 24 2016 23:23 Shapelog wrote: Umm there are town reads (More of leans) in that post. And for scum reads SO while most of what you say is true. It is not true that I did not have ANY Town reads. Those townreads are weak. Like for kush, he didn't see his scum game so he cannot be sure. For VA, here is a thing that is weird BUT for shape might mean VA is town. | ||
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On February 24 2016 23:28 Shapelog wrote: Also @Rels. Can you please explain more about you read on OWS? Sexy I get, Aggressive I do not. OK reading his filter it was much less aggresive than I thought. I liked his posts though, especially his huge read post. | ||
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On February 24 2016 23:39 Shapelog wrote: Hell Rels also explain a bit more about darth too. I agree that he has not been as useful as I remember. But saying he is totally useless Is a bit of a stretch. He Might not really be pushing much. But he does care about things and voicing his Opinions. First post is useless. It's setup talk that do not really matter. Second post is kinda useless. He's scumreading VA slightly for something that might not be AI in his own words. | ||
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On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote: Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote: Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them? Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote: Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells? Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote: im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up About FF, since "Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless" and his only relevant post (about Breshke) are bad, FF HAS to be scum right ? Yet he seems super unsure about that fact. I don't undersatnd the VA scumread. If the scumread was only: VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning then OK, I would get it. But that shit is overexplained with stuff that is apparently "not alignment indicative yet". To me, it looks like DF is scum with Breshke, got shit on both FF and VA, and is waiting to see on which the 50/50 is going to fall. | ||
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On February 25 2016 00:06 Damdred wrote: I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both. Oh. That might be good actually. | ||
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Mm actually it's weird that he is looking through FF's past scum games to check the difference, and not VA who is more likely scum in his mind. | ||
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On February 25 2016 00:05 Shapelog wrote: Hm ok ... You have nothing to say on my read of OWS ? Or Damdred ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 00:21 VayneAuthority wrote: iim just waiting for ritoky to 50/50 this thing I dont feel like analyzing this shit if i have a 33% of being removed from the game immediately Your gut reads on FF and Breshke ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 00:23 Kuragari42 wrote: I was thinking much of the same thing but with FF as scum so hmm. I don't understand. If FF is scum and VA is chosen by the 50/50, DF is forced to bus FF ? Why do you have the feeling that DF is scum with FF ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 01:20 Kuragari42 wrote: It appeared to me as though he was going for towncred. Since more people were scumming Breske, if VA were 50/50'd Breske could be the lynch even if Darth bussed. If Breske got 50/50'd, well he town read him all along. I still don't understand. Sure this scenario is possible, but there is nothing that makes it likely or not likely. It is not the simplest explanation either. What is your read of DF ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 01:35 darthfoley wrote: No, he doesn't HAVE to be scum. The reason I think 50/50 would be quite beneficial on this group is simply because all three of the players have been underwhelming. I don't think any of them have added useful town discussion, so I consider this cell a crap shoot with VA/FF feeling more scummy than Breshke. I'm unsure about FF right now because I have to accept the fact that only 1 out of 3 players in this meh scummy cell is scum. Your reason for townreading Breshke is super bad though. He posts 3 things that are talking about cell strategy, that are completely not alignment indicative, even scum indicative when added to the fact that it is the only thing he has talked about N0, and you think he sounds "like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective." | ||
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On February 25 2016 01:52 darthfoley wrote: Can you please explain how he's been "kinda useless" when i've been super scum read by you as "useless"? His filter is absolute ass. He had a good point about Breshke. He's playing like he would as town, but his town game is easy to fake. So he's null. On February 25 2016 01:52 darthfoley wrote: Also, please explain how the hell you concluded that VA has been "aggressively" posting his thoughts and reads? You mean his one page filter, or his scummy ideas about cell order? Or maybe THESE "aggressive" reads l0l First post: On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote: vivax and breshke mafia Since he has posted who he thinks is scum in each cell periodically. On February 25 2016 01:52 darthfoley wrote: These are shitty reads from town rels imo So you agree on every reads of mine besides yourself and cell D people but those are shitty reads ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 02:15 darthfoley wrote: when did I say I agreed with everything else? I haven't had enough time to analyze the rest of them Then how do you know they are shitty ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 02:22 darthfoley wrote: It was quite clear that I was referring to the reads I talked about as the shitty ones. This is really dumb Obviously I didn't understand that. So now that I provides examples of va being aggressive, explained the ff read and explained why your townread on breshke is shit, why are they shitty ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 03:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 50:50 The 50:50 has been used! FecalFeast is confirmed as Town. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/njVg8/3513653e4b.png) Nice (= | ||
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On February 25 2016 03:20 ritoky wrote: did TL go down for anyone else last night for like 6 hrs? or was it just me getting rekt? I had that this morning | ||
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On February 25 2016 03:34 Shapelog wrote: Eh like Man VA might just have RL stuff. Going to vote the person who I think is scum. ##Vote: Breshke What do you mean with that "RL stuff" thing ? VA posted more frequently than Breshke so I don't understand. | ||
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On February 25 2016 03:51 darthfoley wrote: In class but i'll respond in full later. It's not that I am dead set on VA scum or Bresh town. I was mainly pointing out what I found to be poorly explained reads with bad reasoning by Rels. Ritoky's read of the cell is a lot more thought out than Rels imo 1. Updated reads on VA and Breshke then or you're not "dead set" ? You seemed pretty "dead set" on that post where you ridiculed my "VA is aggressive" sentence. 2. On February 25 2016 02:48 Rels wrote: Obviously I didn't understand that. So now that I provides examples of va being aggressive, explained the ff read and explained why your townread on breshke is shit, why are they shitty ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote: @Rels I still think your "VA is being aggressive" line is bullshit. Your explanation was basically just him throwing a few names out early. How is that aggressive when there's NO explanation? I guess Kush plays every game aggressive then because of his random scum list 1.1 1.2 lists. Aggressively implies that he's pushing his reads. He's done no pushing, and seems very happy with me being scum read, stating over and over how great it's going to be when "we go up 2-0" we = ??? Ritoky's read: On February 25 2016 03:35 ritoky wrote: 4) VA did his town meta thing 5) VA sounds dickish/obstinate, which is how he sounds more often as town. as opposed to when he is all friendly and shit as mafia like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=VayneAuthority is more or less the same as mine with different words, yet you are awarding town points while awarding me scum points. Either that VA read is good or it is not. You are applying different criterias for different players. | ||
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On February 25 2016 05:10 ritoky wrote: my largest problem with his read post was that his weakest opinions were on the members of his own cell, which are the people he should be focusing on the most, since he "knows" 1 of the 2 are scum and that his cell is guaranteed to go before the game ends. it read slightly as if he wanted to leave his options open on his own cell and not committ. that said i gave some slight town points to everyone who openly gave out decently extensive reads before the 50/50, cuz i think mafia members outside the current cell are more prone to not commit to reads and then look like an idiot an hour later when the person they shit on gets green'd. I have the reads I have, not going to invent them. | ||
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On February 25 2016 06:03 ritoky wrote: just in case you didn't know i coached darth pretty much the same way i coached you if that helps you read him at all. So ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 05:29 Vivax wrote: I disagree, I'm pretty positive most of mafia's on the bresh wagon. I also want to add that my current bet would be on ritoky being the last mafia, and the guy who's going to carry them on top. The soft bus stuff he used against darth reminded me of that. You meant "against kura" ? | ||
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On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote: Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be. Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them. I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different. @VA I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list. MM I THINK VA IS THE SCUMMIEST IN THE FF / VA FIGHT GONNA FOCUS EVERY POST ON FF FROM THEN ON | ||
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Going to sleep; Vivax can you explain what you meant by "The soft bus stuff he used against darth reminded me of that" ? Reminded you of what exactly ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I HAD POSTED EVERYTIME I WAS ACTUALLY AROUND WHEN I NOT PLAYING GAMES OR IN CLASS -.- THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT YOU ARE DEAD WRONG BUT YOUR JUST DUMB TOWN.............. Town | ||
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1 On February 25 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote: VA I've never said that i'm set in my scum read of you. But when 8/15 people have already voted for Breshke, and there are 5/15 mafia in the game, I don't like the optics. To switch gears a bit, your post implies that you can't be convinced that LS is mafia, why? This is a lie: On February 25 2016 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count Breshke (6): nnn_thekushmountains, Rels, ritoky, Shapelog, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, VayneAuthority (1): Kuragari42 , Not Voted (8): Breshke, bumatlarge, darthfoley, LightningStrike, Damdred, Vivax, Fecalfeast, ObiWanShinobi Currently, Breshke is slated to be lynched. You have to place your vote here. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. 2 On February 25 2016 05:29 darthfoley wrote: Much of my suspicion of VA comes from Rels really bad VA town read, which I've already gone over. I know either Rels or LS is mafia, and it is especially concerning when someone I know is good town has illogical reads. As I mentioned earlier, I think VA could be town for something along the line's of ritoky's reasoning, but not Rels. Ritoky and my read on VA are basically the same. So he's giving town points to ritoky and scum points to me for the same read. Furthermore when pressured about Vivax on that post here is his reaction: On February 25 2016 05:34 darthfoley wrote: Because if Rels is town and we just disagree on what "aggressive" play is, and LS is mafia, it makes more sense. My cell has a third person people seem to be forgetting He dodges the question and switches to LS. This post is right on the mark: On February 25 2016 05:36 Vivax wrote: I try to follow your logic but it's a dead end. Let me recap: Rels is mafia cause of his read on VA? -> I ask why If Rels is town and LS is mafia it makes more sense. Can you please explain it like im 5 year old cause either you have trouble articulating your thoughts or this is bollocks | ||
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- his questions N0 were advancing the game - too many people voted quickly for him Right ? | ||
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Why is DF town ? Why is Damdred scum ? What superciality are you talking about and why does it make me scum ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:44 Kuragari42 wrote: I agree with the first part but I must be reading that second part bc it appears like Themed (cell) =/= Unthemed (Unoriginal) = Unthemed (Newbie) Possibly reading this wrong bc it is early.. DF was scum in original and town in newbie. DF wants to compare his play here (themed) to his play as scum in original (unthemed) to point to him not being scum. DF does not want to compare his play here (themed) to his play as town in newbie (unthemed) and arguees that his play is logically going to be different 'cause it's themed vs unthemed. But if he really thinks that, he shouldn't have made the comparaison with his scum play in unoriginal. | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote: @Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them. Though the quote is really not contradictory when taken as a whole. Shape why did you cut the part about Star Wars out ? It is actually consistent with DF talking about his meta .The suspicious thing here is him going on so many times about him being unlike his scum play and like his town play in star wars. | ||
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No prob but I actually think it is not the case now p: it looked like it with the partial quote, but the full quote shows DF comparing his play to star wars, so there is no contradiction with him pointing the difference with his scum play in unoriginal. | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay kur, Rels, and Shape can I have your reads please? Almost the same as before. The changes are: You're town and DF is scum. I'm less sure about OWS town Shape scum now, since Shape seems to have the exact same reads I have. If he's scum, I'm very wrong or he's busing hardcore. kush just made a post for which I want explanation. SL continues to be underwhelming, but I would lynch kura if I had to decide right now. | ||
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On February 25 2016 00:20 Kuragari42 wrote: I will work on posting a reads list when I get enough time in one sitting. At this point FF strikes me as the most scummy, VA as the least. On February 25 2016 11:35 Kuragari42 wrote: Ugh. Sorry I never posted reads. I had to work on a lot of homework. Too tired now and there really isn't much that puts either of them too far past null. Just wary of the mass votes on VA so quickly. You already promised that once kura and didn't deliver. Hoping this time you really do it. You post quite a lot but have like 0 content. | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:05 LightningStrike wrote: Okay fair enough. About the kush post you talking about his reads post right? Yep! Where he called me and Damdred scum and DF town. | ||
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On February 25 2016 00:20 Kuragari42 wrote: I will work on posting a reads list when I get enough time in one sitting. At this point FF strikes me as the most scummy, VA as the least. VA is the least scummy, so Breshke is more scummy than VA. Next post talking about his read of VA: On February 25 2016 04:32 Kuragari42 wrote: I must be a damn inept mafia player.. I don't understand why VA is essentially beyond suspicion.. like, at all.. ???????? Your reads were FF => Breshke => VA from more scummy to least scummy, so why the fuck do you not understand people voting Breshke ? Around the same time you voted VA: On February 25 2016 04:42 Kuragari42 wrote: ##Vote: VayneAuthority Why ? No explanation in your filter for that vote until way later: On February 25 2016 11:35 Kuragari42 wrote: Ugh. Sorry I never posted reads. I had to work on a lot of homework. Too tired now and there really isn't much that puts either of them too far past null. Just wary of the mass votes on VA[actually means Breshke here] so quickly. Why are you townreading Breshke ? This is your only reason ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I said those things mostly without being informed but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. 1 DF is town because that's just what I've been thinking as I've been reading him. For good explanations I'd have to filter dive. But just in general he's making himself really available, engaging in conversation, talking about his reads a lot. 2 Damdred is scum because shape and ows look town? Very little confidence in that read though. 3 I'm not sure that you're scum. Less so now that I've given your filter a cursory glance. You seem really invested. The caveat to that is I'm not familiar with your scum play. What I talking about as superficial was townreading LS for all caps, calling out DF on getting some facts wrong. I know the LS stuff seems stupid but it's a fact. I once did a complete meta analysis on LS and he NEVER used capslocks as scum. And I think the game he finally decides to break that stupid rule as scum, he would do it when he is about to be lynched, not at a time when he cannot even be lynched and FF randomly says he's suspicious. OK for Damdred, I'm pretty sure he's town but I agree both Shape and OWS looks townie too. One of them is scum though. DF is scum. The fact wrong thing might be NAI though, but reading his "8/15 already voted Breshke" I was like "that seems like a lot", then I checked it and it was false. | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: i hate your capslock reasoning so much I understand that. But until I'm proven wrong I will apply the "LS being super mad or claiming when suspected = town" formula 'cause it has always worked. | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:54 Kuragari42 wrote: 1. At that time, FF seemed the most like scum, Breske was null-scum, and VA was null-scum with 1 post that I liked. I could see any of them as scum fairly easily. 2. I could understand people voting Breske if the votes were not this huge mountain upon him without much consideration for VA (who in my opinion has not done all that much to prove he is town). 3. I sorta alluded to my reasoning in #2. 4. I am not town reading Breske. I just want people to consider that VA is a possible scum before jumping on the bandwagon. Teach is getting on me, will catch up on any future Qs later. VA was "least likely" scum in that group in your mind, so it doesn't make sense so you voted him over Breshke just because 6 people agreed with you and voted for Breshke. | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: but his outburst did not seen genuine to me. FF said he was talking a lot to possibly counter his scum meta. Then LS got mad? LS almost always do that as town. He's being slightly suspected => outburst + claim if he is blue. Read his town games in the database. The only thing you can arguee is that he did that on purpose as scum 'cause he knows it's his town meta. But LS just cannot do that. He cannot lie about his emotions, that's why he's a pretty bad scum. Maybe that is the game where he forced himself to fool everyone. But I don't believe that. | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: brag list 2.3 [i]changelog: that read progression from kura seems natural so he gets a townread No. You even think Breshke is scum; kura never mentions him, he says FF is likely scum and VA least likely scum (convienently not mentioning Breshke), then finds an excuse to vote VA any way without any evolution on his read on VA or Breshle when 6 people votes Breshke like he himself should given his reads. | ||
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On February 26 2016 00:02 Vivax wrote: whats with the babby rage in this game, is this the new shit to get ez townreads on yourself? On February 26 2016 00:04 darthfoley wrote: OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE TOWN READING LS FOR CAPS LOCK IM SO ANGRY Hehe this is really a thing though. I actually lost Drams because of people confirming themselves as town by raging. | ||
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On February 26 2016 00:09 Vivax wrote: if by people you mean rayn then you should know he rages as any alignment LS, GB, rsoultin. And my teammate Shining not fake raging enough. p: | ||
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On February 26 2016 00:16 Kuragari42 wrote: lol, I was so close to beating you with my answer. (= On February 26 2016 00:24 Kuragari42 wrote: I can understand where you're coming from, however, do you really believe that Breshke looks so overwhelmingly scum over Vayne? I cannot see what made them have 6-0 votes. That is why I voted the way I did. Yes. | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:54 bumatlarge wrote: It's that he meant to, it's that he doesn't seem to care that he did. He blamed it on SL and then it "wasn't his problem" This is so not alignment indicative. You trying to push that idea as scum indicative is super suspicious. | ||
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LS not being sorry he made ff quit does not indicate he's scum. Or town. | ||
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Ive posted exactly why ls is town, contrary to what you've just said. Either prove its wrong or shut up. | ||
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On February 26 2016 05:39 ritoky wrote: then you proceed to say "meta cuz capslock cannot be faked" which is horseshit to me. especially if you have used the meta case before and he knows about it. and before i found it scummy that you had literally a stronger opinion on every other player in the game than the 2 people who you know had a 1 in 2 shot at being scum. especially when both people running for mayor wanted your cell to be for certain in the first 3. Fuck I've been lynched for that shit once already. I do not believe ls can fake emotion like that. I'm pretty sure he's town. I dont know why me having no strong opinions on people I should have strong opinion on makes me scum. Should be the opposite actually. Shows I'm not faking anything. I don't see you having strong opinion on sl / Kura either. | ||
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On February 26 2016 05:46 Fecalfeast wrote: Town misspelled towm. You know what word has m at the end? 'scum' I rest my case ^^ | ||
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On February 26 2016 05:57 LightningStrike wrote: So Rels what you think of my list of reads? Seems good at first glance, Im a little drunk a so I skimmed all the wall posts to read them tomorrow though :p only waiting for flip to sleep | ||
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Haha ^^ I will be after sleeping | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:58 VayneAuthority wrote: hahahaha im scum!!! Fuck that | ||
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On February 26 2016 05:26 ritoky wrote: he really hasn't explained other than LS typed in caps and is just tunneled on darth which is unlike his normal approach as town which he is more even handed in his analysis. On February 26 2016 05:39 ritoky wrote: and before i found it scummy that you had literally a stronger opinion on every other player in the game than the 2 people who you know had a 1 in 2 shot at being scum. especially when both people running for mayor wanted your cell to be for certain in the first 3. So I am scum for: - being too sure on LS when I'm usually more "even handed" - being very unsure about LS and DF Explain ? | ||
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On February 26 2016 05:37 Kuragari42 wrote: He starts Reading FF as scum. Makes this weird bus strat post (which still makes no sense at all to me.) FF gets confirmed by 50/50. Kura goes on to question why the votes have piled on breskhe. I don't understand how my bus strat doesn't make atleast some sense to you but I won't argue it anymore because FF was confirmed. This is your explanation and it doesn't make a single sense: On February 25 2016 01:20 Kuragari42 wrote: It appeared to me as though he was going for towncred. Since more people were scumming Breske, if VA were 50/50'd Breske could be the lynch even if Darth bussed. If Breske got 50/50'd, well he town read him all along. Why would you think DF is scum busing FF ? There is nothing that indicated that. On February 26 2016 05:37 Kuragari42 wrote: This seems weird to me. Like he has avoided reading Breskhe (at most he said he was Null) I was planning on posting a read all three but never had the time until today. Even "today", your post focused 50 lines on VA being potential scum and 2 on Breshke being useless. | ||
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On February 26 2016 05:43 LightningStrike wrote: OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts. Can you expand on that ? I'm leaning more and more towards OWS scum and Shape town actually. OWS is super underwhelming and Shape has like the same reads I have except for his cell. | ||
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On February 26 2016 07:01 LightningStrike wrote: and a couple others. He tried to get his voice heard at least. He wasn't afraid of getting his voice heard(I think he had trouble with that in the game he played scum vs me). Seems like generic questionning to me, shouldn't be that hard to fake ? Will have to meta this shit to see if scum OWS really does not do this. | ||
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On February 26 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote: btw audience this one or hold it? opinions? esp with breshke currently afk and unsure when/if he is coming back in the next 23 hrs, it means we have an obs QT that has 0 mafia influence or at most 1 in like 15. No need. Lynch DF, gets point. It's a waste to use it here. | ||
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On February 26 2016 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Guess I'm alone here. Ohwells. I still don't think LS is mafia. Ritoky asked me about why I thought he was town early on but most of it boiled down to the shape of LS' posts - they just seemed to come from the guy that I played with so many times before and nothing seemed particularly wrong with them in terms of scumminess. I know I said something about him being followable but that's just filler nonsense for when I have trouble wording my reads. (Plus, the bit where LS implied that Damdred was scummy because Damdred thought he seemed off was uber town - mafia just doesn't feel nor sound like that.) I'm still deciding between DF and Rels. I was hoping to talk to someone else about it but apparently nobody is here. I'll see if I can't talk things over with someone I trust tomorrow on where we should go next. You're soooo boring. So you have nothing to show for your filter dives on both DF and me ? And for LS too, since you're just repeating your townread on him. | ||
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LS is town and this post explains why 1. His emotional outburst LS is one of the worst scum of TL. The reason, his town play: he is super emotional and crumble at the slightest suspicion on him, claiming in the process if he's blue. He cannot replicate this as scum. So reading him is easy; puts pressure on him, sees how he reacts. That is what happened. FF randomly listed LS as scum; LS raged, posted all caps posts insulting FF and left the game. I am convinced LS just cannot do this as scum. This reason makes LS town. In case it doesn't completely convince you, I'm gonna list a second one that I THINK makes LS town too, but I'm way less sure it cannot be fake as scum. 2. The way he posts reads and interrogates people about his reads is townie LS this game has been constantly asking for people reads. His own reads are not in depth but very short and understandable. This is how I remember LS playing as town, though I think he could tryhard and appear town in that manner as scum. Talking about this for the interrogation: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 06:44 LightningStrike wrote: FF when you get done catching up can I get your reads please? On February 25 2016 13:10 LightningStrike wrote: So Breshke and VA's filters look like shit for different rasons. VA filter he doesn't exlpain his reads at all and think it's obvious for us why Breshke is scum yet doesn't explain it. Breshke's haven't tried to do something his probing and stuff or at least attempt to. They both bad but one of them is scum. When Breshke gets here and VA is around at the same time I will need to question them harder. @VA Explain before the FF being the innocent child why you thought Breshke was scum? Also Why is Breshke scum over you? @Breshke Comment on VA and other Cells and why VA is scum over you at this time? On February 25 2016 13:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also VA can you explain your other reads too please? On February 25 2016 22:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay kur, Rels, and Shape can I have your reads please? On February 26 2016 00:30 LightningStrike wrote: Well I wanted you to give me your reads that was all. His latest read post for an example of his reads: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2016 05:43 LightningStrike wrote: Warning Wall of Text: Okay here are my reads now: Cell A: Ritoky-Town: I liked his posts for the most part and he actually tried to stir discussion up. Sicklucker-Null: I lost my ability to read him after Linux  kur-Either Newbie Town or Scum: I like some of his posts but I also don't like some of them. I will need to prod him and sicklucker to see who the scum are in this Cell. Cell B: OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts. Damdred-Town: Emotional Damdred is Town Damdred plus he tried to stir up discussion too. Shape-PoE Scum: Unfortunately you are my scum by PoE in that cell I know you just played a scum game recently(Will check it) but I just think OWS and Damdred are townier than you <3 thoughCell C: Me-Towm: I know my alignment obviously lol. Rels-Town: Rels as scum was more into buddying people and plus angry Rels is town Rels too. I also liked most of his posts so far. Darth-Scum: PoE Scum probably a newbie scum. His content was kinda meh in my opinion. Cell D: FF-Town: Confirmed via 50-50 much more carefree than the last few games I had played with him. VA-Null Townlean: I honestly dislike his filter but it not as bad as Breshke in my mind. If I wrong on anyone in this cell it's VA I don't know how to read properly. Breshke-Scum: Never tried to defend himself after the 50-50 happened and never explained why VA was the scum. Cell E: kush-town: Tryhard kush is town kush plus his probing seems townie. Vivax-Town: Seems to be a little bit more tryhard plus he already had tried to do a tinfoil which he normally does as town.(Him and Shape should be best friends lol) Bum-scum: PoE Scum He misrepresented me hard about FF rage quitting when it was Sicklucker who told FF to stop posting. Plus his content been meh for a Vet player. | ||
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1. I'm pushing for the game to be solved Reading my filter, you should see that I'm constantly pushing for the game to be solved with my posts. The vast majority of my psots are either questionning or posting my reads with explanation. No buddying, almost no joke. I'm focused on solving the game and that is indicating me as town. I'm not pushing a scum agenda; if I was scum, the only lynch I could influence besides my cell was the first cell's lynch, and I was one of the main force pushing Breshke, even before the 50/50. 2. I scumread / voted Breshke before the 50/50 Here was my reads after catching up, with me voting Breshke: On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote: My reads: VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now. Here is me pusning Breshke before the 50/50: On February 25 2016 00:15 Rels wrote: He still didn't post relevant stuff unless being up for lynch though. His N0 posts are useless. His posts start of D1 are OK. Mm actually it's weird that he is looking through FF's past scum games to check the difference, and not VA who is more likely scum in his mind. Here is me questioning DF's weird townread on Breshke before the 50/50: On February 25 2016 01:47 Rels wrote: Your reason for townreading Breshke is super bad though. He posts 3 things that are talking about cell strategy, that are completely not alignment indicative, even scum indicative when added to the fact that it is the only thing he has talked about N0, and you think he sounds "like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective." I you think I am scum, you think I've bused from the very beginning of the game. What for ? There is no "scum carry" in this game. Each lynch is worth 1 point. Me busing Breshke from the very beginning meant my team automatically lost 1 point, and since I will be out of this game after today I don't even have the opportunity to do anything with this town cred other than gaining that point back. | ||
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On February 26 2016 19:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Rels. Pushing breshke doesn't get you that much town cred. I wonder what is your towniest post. It does. I am a strong scum, I could have maybe get VA lynched instead of Breshke. Probably not but I would have probably tried, then use that same defense DF is using right now: "hey if I was scum I wouldn't have defended my partner like that!". Even if I didn't try, I would have never pushed my partner like I did, especially before knowing FF was confirmed town. | ||
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1. His townread on Breshke was bad His townread on Breshke was based on two reasons. First: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote: I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote: I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. Breshke posted a few questions at the very beginning of the game. These questions were completely NAI if taken alone, and scum indicative as a whole as it's the only thing Breshke had done N0. DF townreading Breshke for this reason does not make sense: this read is fabricated. Second reason: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote: VA I've never said that i'm set in my scum read of you. But when 8/15 people have already voted for Breshke, and there are 5/15 mafia in the game, I don't like the optics. To switch gears a bit, your post implies that you can't be convinced that LS is mafia, why? Too many people voted Breshke in a row, so Breshke has to be town. Well, first this number is wrong: 6 people voted in a row when DF made this post. This migth mean nothing but it's way less extreme than DF made it out to be. Secondly, he had kinda the same reaction to Palmar being lynched D1 in Star Wars; and Palmar flipped scum. He should have learned that several people piling on a guy doesn't m ean the guy is town. This looks like he used his star wars game town meta to create an excuse to townread Breshke. 2. His reaction to my VA read is not understandable On February 25 2016 05:29 darthfoley wrote: Much of my suspicion of VA comes from Rels really bad VA town read, which I've already gone over. I know either Rels or LS is mafia, and it is especially concerning when someone I know is good town has illogical reads. As I mentioned earlier, I think VA could be town for something along the line's of ritoky's reasoning, but not Rels. DF is suspicious of me because of my "bad VA town read". But he's saying at the same time VA could be town. Vivax pressured him on that since why would I invent a reason to townread VA just to have an excuse to shit on my partner Breshke. His answer: On February 25 2016 05:34 darthfoley wrote: Because if Rels is town and we just disagree on what "aggressive" play is, and LS is mafia, it makes more sense. My cell has a third person people seem to be forgetting He dodges the question and says "Rels could be town actually". No explanation as to why he thought my VA read made me scum. Later and even now he continues to be suspicious about me with the vague reason that I "did scummy stuff". Since he agreed I could be town and he just misunderstood my words on VA, I have no idea what "scummy stuff" he is talking about now. 3. He's making the difference between my VA read and ritoky's VA read when it's the same On February 25 2016 05:29 darthfoley wrote: Much of my suspicion of VA comes from Rels really bad VA town read, which I've already gone over. I know either Rels or LS is mafia, and it is especially concerning when someone I know is good town has illogical reads. As I mentioned earlier, I think VA could be town for something along the line's of ritoky's reasoning, but not Rels. ritoky and I had the same read with different words on VA. It doesn't make sense that he townreads ritoky for it and scurmeads me in the same time. These reads are fabricated. 4. He's spending a lot of time self metaing to prove his townieness He's actually spending more time defending himself than doing anything else, especially lately. Here is a compilation of posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote: I find it ironic that i'm playing pretty much EXACTLY how I played Star Wars D1 last game and was universally (correctly) town read for it, but here all of a sudden everyone scum reads me. I was sort of a devil's advocate in Star Wars because I really didn't like the way the Palmar wagon was shaping up. It was basically one wagon with no alternative and everyone was jumping on; I feel similarly regarding Breshke and VA right now. Everyone scum reading the same person, especially in a game with 5!!!! scum, makes me suuuuper uneasy. @Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them. Maybe Breshke is scum who has just gone AFK or whatever and people are trying to jump on him and get town cred, but it makes no sense for scum!darthfoley to be the only one willing to defend/challenge conventional wisdom. On February 25 2016 05:01 darthfoley wrote: Okay, let's accept your premise that breshke is 100% scum. Why does my defense of him make me scum? You literally played with me last game and I did the same thing with Palmar when I was town. Not seeing why you are so attached with this being alignment indicative On February 25 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote: well i think i've explained why I think things relatively thoroughly so far. Do you want clarification on something? Also @VA, people weren't really scum reading me in a serious way until I started to defend Breshke. From a mafia POV, what's the point of sticking your neck out for a cell that is almost certainly going to get 50/50'd if your scum partner is the heavily scum read person in it? Does this game remind you at all of my scum play in Unoriginal? I'd say it's about as different as you could be. On February 25 2016 17:09 darthfoley wrote: Yea exactly. I'm just gonna stop overthinking things in the future if Breshke is flips obvious mafia kinda like palmar in the Star Wars game lol On February 25 2016 18:30 darthfoley wrote: this is actually so annoying and i'm going to be quite peeved when either of the confirmed town LS or Rels comes back as mafia and we lose the cell. Rels I accidentally looked at the mayor count vote instead of the VA/Breshke vote. My point is still valid and idk why accidentally writing 8 instead of 6 makes me confirmed scum. I later explained my logic after that post Rels. I really don't know why you guys think I would choose my hill to die on D1 defending my completely afk scum teammate when I could just bus him for town points like probably the rest of mafia are doing right now. i t m a k e s n o s e n s e On February 25 2016 18:36 darthfoley wrote: Yes. It is similar to my Star Wars game D1 regarding Palmar/Zyrre. Granted I was wrong in that game, but I really don't like when someone goes AFK and all of a sudden EVERYONE is scum reading that person, ESPECIALLY with the other person (VA) not doing anything imo to warrant the town reads he is getting On February 26 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Yea i'm frustrated. Because I spent half of my cycle wasting my breath defending someone who has turned out to be mega obvious mafia, while getting almost universally wrongly scum read for it. It's great if we successfully used our 50/50 and go up 1:0, but town would be in an amazing decision if we go up 2:0 after my cell and if I can't change people's minds, that won't happen. Can't remember who said it, but I endorse using the audience power for my group too unless there's some obvious reason i'm missing. Going up 2:0 should basically ensure a town win. On February 26 2016 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna say that the theory that i'm scum is: Breshke is read scum by people Everyone knows Ritoky will likely use 50/50 on the cell I decide to go super out of my way to reverse buss Breshke while my three other mafia teammates buss him I put a huge target on my back Breshke goes AFK Everyone scum reads me Breshke gets killed, town up 1:0 I get killed, town up 2:0 like this is really unlikely and super super dumb mafia play On February 26 2016 09:38 darthfoley wrote: I will filter dive Rels and LS. I'm more than willing to answer people's questions. As you said, i'm in a tough spot because people are meta town reading my cellmates, making me PoE mafia instead of actually having a mafia read on me which is rather annoying. At least that's the vibe i've gotten from everyone not in my cell. Even LS is PoE mafia me! Either way, Rels or LS is aware of their town meta and are exploiting it to great use so far. From what a few players were saying early game, I tend to think Rels is the more likely candidate to be able to emulate town play as scum-- at least that's what someone said early on who had experience with scum!Rels. My biggest defense right now is that if i'm mafia I've played a terribly stupid game. Now that might be believable in a regular mafia game, but there are other 4 mafia members who didn't tell me to cut it out early on. The smart mafia TEAM move is to buss Breshke, win cell 2 and consolidate from there. No way mafia sticks their neck out for a completely AFK Breshke. Think that was proven by Breshke not providing any information in the last 24h for town to decipher. I ask Kush, Shapelog or anyone who saw my scum or town play; does it really feel like i'm playing as mafia right now? Or are you just PoE stratting right now? I've been way more engaged, posted my thoughts-- even if they're unpopular-- and cared more than in my scum game in which I just went with whatever was hip and cool at the time. Anyways I realize this isn't enough, so I will accompany it with cell reads later. I have confidence that we can win this cell and I won't give up until the end of the day On February 26 2016 09:45 darthfoley wrote: That's fair. But no one has yet to "get" me on what my supposed endgame as mafia is from my D1 play. Kuragari and I with a bit of Vivax were the only ones who were skeptical of VA, and they are both in later cells. Why would mafia risk losing 2 cells in a row right at the beginning by trying to save a sunken ship? I might be less experienced than some players, but i'm not that dumb. This seems so obvious to me man. It's clear imo that mafia is in a less than ideal situation, and going down 0:2 is desperation mode. Breshke just takes one for the team and cell 2 becomes almost a must win for mafia. Who seems to be playing in must-win-this-cell mode? 5. His attitude before the 50/50 looked like he was scum with Breshke and waiting to see who the 50/50 ends up being on Here is my post on him at the time: On February 25 2016 00:08 Rels wrote: Actually I don't understand this post at all. About FF, since "Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless" and his only relevant post (about Breshke) are bad, FF HAS to be scum right ? Yet he seems super unsure about that fact. I don't undersatnd the VA scumread. If the scumread was only: then OK, I would get it. But that shit is overexplained with stuff that is apparently "not alignment indicative yet". To me, it looks like DF is scum with Breshke, got shit on both FF and VA, and is waiting to see on which the 50/50 is going to fall. 6. He's STILL undecided on who is scum between LS and I He started by shitting on my reads. Then when I fought back he switched to LS on the "LS scumread me when my reads align with him" thing. Since then he's been undecided. He doesn't know which one of us is scum. Like point 5 where he was undecided between VA and FF, it looks like he's waiting to see who is the easier mislynch between LS and I. Actually here is his last post in the thread: On February 26 2016 10:13 darthfoley wrote: Kush do you have any questions for me? No answer. 7. NOT A REASON: him defending Breshke is NOT town indicative Him defending Breshke is not scum indicative per se (except it is since his reasonning for townreading Breshke is fabricated). But it is NOT town indicative. This is a game where you win when you get to three points. You scum team can have the best scum in the world, he is only going to bring his team 1 point if he's not lynched. He's not going to carry the game. In a standard game this defense of "I wouldn't defend my partner hardcore" would be a little more true. Just a little bit, as scum usually don't push or defend each other hardcore. But in this game, where if VA had been lynched scum team would have gotten 1 point, and DF is going to be out of the game after today anyway, there is NO advantages to bus your teammate, as the end result in the best case scenario is a draw. Conclusion Lynch him, gets free point. | ||
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On February 26 2016 18:56 Rels wrote: Seems like generic questionning to me, shouldn't be that hard to fake ? Will have to meta this shit to see if scum OWS really does not do this. LS, I opened a scum game of OWS (mini mafia down under 3) and here are some posts from the first pages: On July 26 2015 04:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand how this is scummy. Elaborate? On July 26 2015 04:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Okay I guess. Why is her not believing your claim scummy? On July 26 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hope, I don't understand the point of your scott case? Elaborate for me? On July 27 2015 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone explain this clarity push to me? On July 27 2015 02:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It wasn't really a fast train at all. In fact you only showed up after I voted you. Who's the mafia on your wagon and why? On July 27 2015 04:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well you have me. :> Why is clarity probably scum? How sure are you about "I think he had trouble with that in the game he played scum vs me" ? Don't look like he had trouble asking random questions to me. Doesn't prove he's scum ofc, but doesn't prove he's town either. | ||
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On February 26 2016 23:03 Kuragari42 wrote: I believe it was 3 lines, lol. But is there really anything more for me to read into there? He had a 1 page filter with a bunch of nothing. I can't do tonal reads and don't know him well enough to do meta reads. That leaves me with content reads with 0 content to go off of. Yeah I guess. It's true it's hard to see you as scum posting this mountaign of evidence that VA is scum when he had 0% chance of being lynched. | ||
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On February 26 2016 23:22 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so I did check and it was because JAT told me to. I guess JAT found weird to OWS at the time when asked JAT who should I check(He sent me pm's in that game where pm's were allowed at night phase only) So what was the reason JAT was suspicious of him and is it applicable here or not ? | ||
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On February 25 2016 10:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred what are you thinking wrt Cell C? I've noticed that you've posted some thoughts here and there but I haven't seen you commit to anything yet. On February 26 2016 14:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Is anyone else here? I feel like I need someone to talk to about Cell C because I'm at a loss atm. On February 26 2016 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm still deciding between DF and Rels. I was hoping to talk to someone else about it but apparently nobody is here. I'll see if I can't talk things over with someone I trust tomorrow on where we should go next. On February 26 2016 23:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Vivax, where are you at concerning Rels/DF? And here is you giving opinions on my cell: On February 24 2016 01:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Cell C LightningStrike seems pretty normal from my pov - I don't see much of a reason to suspect him and his thought process seems pretty solid/followable. Foley had some weird post earlier where he wanted his cell to go first even though he had no clue what was going on in it? He seems sort of confident that people will be able to read him town which is always nice to see in newer players so I won't hold that against him. His other big posts have been relatively solid so townlean here. Rels hasn't posted yet so...There you go. PoE dictates that Rels is mafia but I can't solidify that read until he does things. Foley is my least confident townread in that cell so if Rels ends up looking supertown then that's probably where I'll take a second look at things. On February 25 2016 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm still confident in LS being town - nothing has changed to make me lessen that read. On February 26 2016 04:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Cell C is lightningstrike, as I've stated a few times now. Cell B is...Myself I guess? Not entirely sure what you want from me here tbh. On February 26 2016 04:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can do both of these things when I get home. I'm still at work and trying to make super quotes via phone is rough. I will concede that I have yet to read into rels at this juncture and I'll see if I can't redo that whole cell when I'm at a computer. On February 26 2016 13:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Finally home. I'm gonna spend the next hour or two doing filter dives into Cell C. On February 26 2016 14:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Cell C is hard lol. On February 26 2016 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Guess I'm alone here. Ohwells. I still don't think LS is mafia. Ritoky asked me about why I thought he was town early on but most of it boiled down to the shape of LS' posts - they just seemed to come from the guy that I played with so many times before and nothing seemed particularly wrong with them in terms of scumminess. I know I said something about him being followable but that's just filler nonsense for when I have trouble wording my reads. (Plus, the bit where LS implied that Damdred was scummy because Damdred thought he seemed off was uber town - mafia just doesn't feel nor sound like that.) I'm still deciding between DF and Rels. I was hoping to talk to someone else about it but apparently nobody is here. I'll see if I can't talk things over with someone I trust tomorrow on where we should go next. So combining DF + me: a townlean on DF in your first read post, a "OK" to an argument as to why I could be town recently. NOTHING else. So ... no. No more dodging. Give your reads on DF / me now OR read our filters again to make up your mind. | ||
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On February 27 2016 00:21 Vivax wrote: Page 7. Noticeable is that Damdred uses exclusively "what if breshke is mafia" reasoning. In the part of the problem line Damdy wagers that bresh WOULD try to play confused, in the bolded line he wagers exactly the opposite, and ends up at bottom of null, which is probably the safest read one can give out on a scum buddy early in the game. So this post is pretty fishy now that we know bresh was mafia. I don't undestand the bold line. Damdred is saying that scum!Breshky wouldn't help town to properly understand the setup ? | ||
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Explain yourself. In the second quote he's saying he still dislikes Breshke' first post but his subsequent ones were better, so unless I didn't understand what you mean there is no contradiction ? | ||
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On February 27 2016 01:00 Damdred wrote: Sorry guys power was out for extended periods of time day before yesterday. However I'm not going to be here for an extended period of time, I have my first real interview for a teaching position. It came out of the blue and I'm rushing around trying to get all my shit together. I should be back around 5 est with opinions. Wish me luck this probably the break I needed in life! good luck bro Can you explain the bolded in your post ? On February 27 2016 00:36 Rels wrote: I don't undestand the bold line. Damdred is saying that scum!Breshky wouldn't help town to properly understand the setup ? | ||
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On February 27 2016 01:13 Vivax wrote: Starting to think LS is mafia with Damdy and they founded team babbyrage to get themselves TR. I don't think so. There are multiple reasons DF is scum, and even if you don't think the rage is town indicative, LS is playing like he does as town when apparently he's way more timid as scum. | ||
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Maybe he's scum. I can see him faking emotion way more easily than LS. He's been super underwhelming past N0. His read on Breshke is super passive as you said, and even afterwards (maybe he's town for not wanting the 50/50 to be used immediately, then later "he's a policy lynch"). Now he has an excuse to be AFK. | ||
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On February 27 2016 03:07 Damdred wrote: To specifically talk about this. Even you said when I explained myself it wasn't that horrible but breahke did 0 things after that so I changed my stance with the lack of information and focused on something I had information on the next cell. As for the now has an excuse to be afk don't be a total moron and try to make nai things into alignment indicative things. Exactly why you are annoying to play with sometimes. since your interview is right now, starting tonight or tomorrow you will be able to play properly right ? Hope you nail it BTW | ||
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On February 27 2016 04:40 bumatlarge wrote: Also feels like Rels knows LS is town because I'm not buying this "emotion" bullshit. Just being able to make that assumption without anything else feels like a cop out and he knows something we don't Is this your only reason to be suspicious of me ? | ||
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On February 27 2016 04:47 bumatlarge wrote: MAYBE its the only interaction I've had with you In Nutcracker LS and I was town. I thought LS was scum: On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote: I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier. Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike Here is his filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads. I think this guy is scum. ##Vote LightningStrike Before changing this read when he became emotional: So now that you have no more reason to suspect any of us, read filters and make up your mind pretty please. | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:06 darthfoley wrote: It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game ??? I thought you read up your mind already, reading our filters and everything: On February 27 2016 03:29 darthfoley wrote: Few things about LS: read through his filter, and besides the one post I didn't like, there wasn't much from scum pov imo. I also think he was town read as quickly as Star Wars by people who know him better than I do, so I think he's more likely to be town than Rels. TL;DR: I'm not mafia. Who's mafia in my cell? Rels. Way too much cherry picking, misrepresenting and illogical reads from a smart town perspective imo. | ||
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On February 27 2016 13:21 darthfoley wrote: Idk, considering I need Rels to confirm what he meant. I wanna know what meant Rels by aggressive. I can't answer that until Rels does I meant what ritoky meant. I am going to say that as scum too so I have no idea what you were looking for. | ||
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On February 27 2016 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Screw this I'm going to bed and handling this game in the morning. You're so useless. | ||
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On February 27 2016 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Any particular reason you're acting like this? I think you're scum. | ||
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???????? On February 26 2016 15:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Guess I'm alone here. Ohwells. I still don't think LS is mafia. Ritoky asked me about why I thought he was town early on but most of it boiled down to the shape of LS' posts - they just seemed to come from the guy that I played with so many times before and nothing seemed particularly wrong with them in terms of scumminess. I know I said something about him being followable but that's just filler nonsense for when I have trouble wording my reads. (Plus, the bit where LS implied that Damdred was scummy because Damdred thought he seemed off was uber town - mafia just doesn't feel nor sound like that.) I'm still deciding between DF and Rels. I was hoping to talk to someone else about it but apparently nobody is here. I'll see if I can't talk things over with someone I trust tomorrow on where we should go next. On February 27 2016 01:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Btw, I think DF is the scum in this cell. At the very least I don't think it's rels so that leaves me with one person to suspect. | ||
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On February 28 2016 03:27 Damdred wrote: @Ls, Rels, Darth. Could all three of you post reads on the next cells would really help to see an updated thought process. @Ritoky, I think that your read on ls is off here. I've never seen him act in this sense if he's scum. And I don't think ls is someone to break his meta just because he knows most the games can't read him and he has to rely on that not to cost towns more loses then he already has. Next scums: OWS scum => super undecided and useless. Way less sexy than in PYP. SL => not in the middle of things to solve the game. Really different from the trown SL I've seen these past few games. I think he decided to bus and fucked off. kura doing a huge post on VA and Breshke not long before deadline is weird for scum too. bum => Vivax and kush are super likely town. Weird behaviour this cell being undecided but trying to put shit on me anyway. | ||
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On February 28 2016 03:40 Damdred wrote: Here's what's bothering me when I look through darths filter. He's pretty indecisive between ls and Rels before Rels cases him. He then cases Rels back, and discards the notion of ls being scum and just centers on Rels. He even asks ls if he thinks Darth is scum and just tells him he's wrong. I think my question is what made you lose any paranoia of ls darth? And why did it 100% have to be Rels from your perspective no matter what? Yeah exactly. His only reasons for me being scum is that I'm nitpicking him. But now he's back on "LS might be scum" so it's one more 180: On February 27 2016 18:13 Rels wrote: ??? I thought you read up your mind already, reading our filters and everything: | ||
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Might be a bad read but this combined with SL uselesness makes me think SL is scum in the last cell. | ||
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On February 28 2016 04:16 Vivax wrote: I can buy Rels scum alone for the fact he's handing out so many confident easy townreads, out of his cell and within his one (on LS) as well, he's basically a straight rocket which would be pretty much the ideal for mafia. Just focus on your cell, mislynch a guy, don't stir too much trouble or use too much effort in handling the other reads. I'ma vote rels for shenannies Voting me because I have confident townreads is bullshit. Especially since my confident townreads out of cells are you, kush and ritoky and you agree with all of those I think ? Only the LS one is weird to you. | ||
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On February 28 2016 04:31 Vivax wrote: For me it's not relevant if your reads coincide with mine. It's more that I'm afraid your play is "too clean" to be town. Like, I find this cell freakishly hard to solve and you are SO confident in your LS townread, that for example you spoke up for him when I was confronting him with the weird change in read on breshke on D1 which was really only justified by 1 post of breshke in between LS' posts. Plus your play is super streamlined to just fulfill the objective of getting darth lynched since you started posting the big ass cases, and you didn't really care about the post from Damdred I mentioned where he posted that weird read on breshke until I asked you about it, so that suggests to me you're just in super tryhard mode only this day and plan to fulfill one objective: Get a mislynch and cause as few ruckus as possible about it (for example scumhunting outside your cell or starting to suspect LS). This is just not fuckling true. My play has been streamlined to solve this game, and I'm sure the scum today is DF. DF has been reactive and have done nothing until I attacked him. He has NO reason to scumread me and is OMGUSing me because I'm pushing him. | ||
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On February 28 2016 04:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rels, why is it that you're townreading Shapelog in my cell for having reads that are similar to yours despite the fact that he's actively avoiding trying to lynch darth? Unless I'm wrong he's scumreading DF so I have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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On February 28 2016 04:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is the closest he's come to actually voting darth: Compare that to just page 9 of his filter: They're the two giant posts that aren't complete spam in his most recent posting. He's actively fighting you for the most part when he isn't fencesitting in yet he's town for it while I'm scum? Or did you just not catch up on this? What gives? He is reacting to stuff that's happening in the thread. You're not doing anything (until now that Vivax is attacking me). | ||
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On February 28 2016 04:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I just posted close to, if not the exact opposite, of what you're saying. Him constantly fencesitting after repeatedly calling him town is not scumreading DF. Is there reasoning beyond his reads being similar to yours (even though they're not really) or is that it? D1 he was questionning and attacking DF on stuff, and commentating on me vs LS vs DF. That seemed super townie. Let me find the posts. On February 25 2016 02:53 Shapelog wrote: Eh Tornado warning for NC ._. Let meh read tis epic fight between Darth and Rels. I agree with the Darth that I found a bit of Rels reads a bit weak (or for that matter, found them meh due to them being solo meta reads.) And it is also off putting from Rels that he said "and he agreed with everything else." when Darth didn't. My problems with darth in this fight is a few things (and darth, please feel free to comment about them.) -Knows/has/had a basic meta idea of VA. But has yet to really comment about anything with said knowledge. -Kinda ignored the question/statement from Rels (#638) about townread on Breshke - read(s), as in multiple. Also a bit sus. that he choose his scum(?) pick for this cell to invest first. Which I guess could just be explained by him finding Rels as Scum. I will try to be on tonight, but with the storms, my internet will prob. be out. On February 25 2016 03:19 Shapelog wrote: ^I have a weird vibe from darth at #640 . It is totally, like destroying my inner zen. But then we have the VA man. And like he is not helping balance the thread. Like there was like, 10 or so posts before Mr.Darthy Froffy posted. Then he replies and sits back, and even answers Kush's question (who I though was like, not going to be here today.) before getting around to Darth. Which, like could come from a town who was trying to just not implied the conversation. That Said, Would like the VA man to post some stuff like reasoning behind his scum reads. On February 25 2016 04:06 Shapelog wrote: Same here. I like LS, I like him more if Breshke flips scum. LS was the 1st person to go after him. I like this because who in their right mind will go after their team mate that early? Then just him in general. That leaves Darth and Rels. Rels reads are a bit weak, but yet I can see where he is coming from. He also seems/want to solve the game. Darth, for 1 seems different than what i remember, but also seems a bit weak. He is more lax instead of in the fore front. Might be worth digging through his Unoriginal Filter to see his scum game. On February 25 2016 04:08 Shapelog wrote: @Darth. Can I have a full list of your reads? Would appreciate it. On February 25 2016 22:16 Shapelog wrote: + = Confusion. Darth wants people to see that he is different from his scum game in unoriginal (which was Unthemed.) But when I pull up a another unthemed game (A Newbie but still) he says it is completely different. I would of been fine if he said "Shapelog, it is different because that is a Newbie." But instead he said "Shapelog it is different because this is themed." It's true it's not as decisive as I thought. He conclude like that later: On February 26 2016 04:08 Shapelog wrote: CELL C: I was Rushed, Will Elaborate more after I get home. LS-LS has not made a post that has really move me. He has not made a big post really, or anything like that. He has not really posted anything like a list of reads and stuff like that. Thus, My TR has degenerate from LS. Not a great reason to join the wagon. But W/e. I kinda have LS in a POE situation here, his other 2 cell mates have been making big posts. V.S. LS who is very lax with his post size. After reading that again, I want to look at it more RELS- I did not like his opening reads. Mostly because it was a clash of meta and content (I actually think, that in all my town games, I have actually posted a list of reads with the most being Null lol.) One sentence on a read back on his read on me does not make sense. I do not understand how not TR damdred is scummy. Might just be confirmation Bias though. He is questioning people and interrogating. He is trying to solve the game, which makes want to TR him. I do, however, wish he would not use meta so hard but what ever. Darth- I am wishy on Darth. Some posts makes me want to TR him while others I find scummy. One thing i found weird was how after the Breshke wagon got heavily he started to go after LS and kind of did so during the middle of the cycle. Maybe it is just him trying to solve his cell since it's next. Scum for this cell is either LS/Darth. I am rushed so I can not really deep read darth's filter to detrime if he is scum trying to live or town trying to figure out things.. | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:06 Shapelog wrote: Same here. I like LS, I like him more if Breshke flips scum. LS was the 1st person to go after him. I like this because who in their right mind will go after their team mate that early? Then just him in general. That leaves Darth and Rels. Rels reads are a bit weak, but yet I can see where he is coming from. He also seems/want to solve the game. Darth, for 1 seems different than what i remember, but also seems a bit weak. He is more lax instead of in the fore front. Might be worth digging through his Unoriginal Filter to see his scum game. LS town. On February 26 2016 04:08 Shapelog wrote: CELL C: I was Rushed, Will Elaborate more after I get home. LS-LS has not made a post that has really move me. He has not made a big post really, or anything like that. He has not really posted anything like a list of reads and stuff like that. Thus, My TR has degenerate from LS. Not a great reason to join the wagon. But W/e. I kinda have LS in a POE situation here, his other 2 cell mates have been making big posts. V.S. LS who is very lax with his post size. After reading that again, I want to look at it more [..] After filterdiving here is a new chart: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/18gB6pB.png) No mention of the "LS attacked Breshke" stuff he used as a reason to TR LS before ? Weird. | ||
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On February 28 2016 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So what's your conclusion from all this? Could be scum. If you're not. Why are you jumping on me suddenly, after reading our filters for hours and not commentating on anything before ? | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count Breshke (12): Rels, ritoky, Shapelog, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, bumatlarge, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi, darthfoley, Vivax , Damdred VayneAuthority (1): Kuragari42 Fecalfeast (1): nnn_thekushmountains Not Voted (1): Breshke Currently, Breshke is slated to be lynched. You have to place your vote here. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. LOL ritoky remind me in what place a mafia is likely to vote in a D1 bus ? | ||
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On February 28 2016 05:24 darthfoley wrote: Vote Rels if you want town to be up 2:0 brethren What happened to this ? On February 27 2016 11:06 darthfoley wrote: It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game "It could be LS scum actually, especially if Rels is known for this" On February 28 2016 05:14 Damdred wrote: Rels is known for it to some degree yes. Before Rels case who were you going to try to vote/case? Confirmation I am known for this. ??? | ||
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On February 28 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: post was made after 50/50. breshke post was b/4 50/50 IIRC, why did Rels not comment on it when it was posted and instead commented on it after the 50/50? I did. On February 25 2016 00:15 Rels wrote: He still didn't post relevant stuff unless being up for lynch though. His N0 posts are useless. His posts start of D1 are OK. Mm actually it's weird that he is looking through FF's past scum games to check the difference, and not VA who is more likely scum in his mind. | ||
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DF has spent the majority of this game defending himself. He became set on me after I've cased him, then went "maybe Rels is tunneled town and it's LS" when he thought he would have a better chance against LS, now he's 100% me it's me again. He's been 100% reactive today. Furthermore, I've been pushing Breshke from the beginning. This is NOT how I scum because losing your partner D1 is not how you win game as scum, ESPECIALLY in this setup when I'm out of the game anyway in 1 hour. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:12 darthfoley wrote: i've already explained scenarios you bus your partner d1 if you're smart scum. stop saying that Of course you did, you want to prove I'm not town. STFU | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:06 darthfoley wrote: It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game Not 100% sure I'm scum anymore + gonna look iknto LS Star Wars filter On February 27 2016 13:21 darthfoley wrote: Idk, considering I need Rels to confirm what he meant. I wanna know what meant Rels by aggressive. I can't answer that until Rels does Waiting for confirm something After that, I confirmed this and Damdred c onfirmed I could tunnel as town But now he is back on me being 100% scum. He has NO reason to scumread me EXCEPT MY CASE ON HIM. This is the definition of OMGUS. | ||
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DF has no read on me except OMGUS. Fuck I'm not gopnna retype it actually, fucking reread it. On February 26 2016 22:30 Rels wrote: DF is scum and you should vote him 1. His townread on Breshke was bad His townread on Breshke was based on two reasons. First: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote: I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote: I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. Breshke posted a few questions at the very beginning of the game. These questions were completely NAI if taken alone, and scum indicative as a whole as it's the only thing Breshke had done N0. DF townreading Breshke for this reason does not make sense: this read is fabricated. Second reason: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote: VA I've never said that i'm set in my scum read of you. But when 8/15 people have already voted for Breshke, and there are 5/15 mafia in the game, I don't like the optics. To switch gears a bit, your post implies that you can't be convinced that LS is mafia, why? Too many people voted Breshke in a row, so Breshke has to be town. Well, first this number is wrong: 6 people voted in a row when DF made this post. This migth mean nothing but it's way less extreme than DF made it out to be. Secondly, he had kinda the same reaction to Palmar being lynched D1 in Star Wars; and Palmar flipped scum. He should have learned that several people piling on a guy doesn't m ean the guy is town. This looks like he used his star wars game town meta to create an excuse to townread Breshke. 2. His reaction to my VA read is not understandable DF is suspicious of me because of my "bad VA town read". But he's saying at the same time VA could be town. Vivax pressured him on that since why would I invent a reason to townread VA just to have an excuse to shit on my partner Breshke. His answer: He dodges the question and says "Rels could be town actually". No explanation as to why he thought my VA read made me scum. Later and even now he continues to be suspicious about me with the vague reason that I "did scummy stuff". Since he agreed I could be town and he just misunderstood my words on VA, I have no idea what "scummy stuff" he is talking about now. 3. He's making the difference between my VA read and ritoky's VA read when it's the same ritoky and I had the same read with different words on VA. It doesn't make sense that he townreads ritoky for it and scurmeads me in the same time. These reads are fabricated. 4. He's spending a lot of time self metaing to prove his townieness He's actually spending more time defending himself than doing anything else, especially lately. Here is a compilation of posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote: I find it ironic that i'm playing pretty much EXACTLY how I played Star Wars D1 last game and was universally (correctly) town read for it, but here all of a sudden everyone scum reads me. I was sort of a devil's advocate in Star Wars because I really didn't like the way the Palmar wagon was shaping up. It was basically one wagon with no alternative and everyone was jumping on; I feel similarly regarding Breshke and VA right now. Everyone scum reading the same person, especially in a game with 5!!!! scum, makes me suuuuper uneasy. @Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them. Maybe Breshke is scum who has just gone AFK or whatever and people are trying to jump on him and get town cred, but it makes no sense for scum!darthfoley to be the only one willing to defend/challenge conventional wisdom. On February 25 2016 05:01 darthfoley wrote: Okay, let's accept your premise that breshke is 100% scum. Why does my defense of him make me scum? You literally played with me last game and I did the same thing with Palmar when I was town. Not seeing why you are so attached with this being alignment indicative On February 25 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote: well i think i've explained why I think things relatively thoroughly so far. Do you want clarification on something? Also @VA, people weren't really scum reading me in a serious way until I started to defend Breshke. From a mafia POV, what's the point of sticking your neck out for a cell that is almost certainly going to get 50/50'd if your scum partner is the heavily scum read person in it? Does this game remind you at all of my scum play in Unoriginal? I'd say it's about as different as you could be. On February 25 2016 17:09 darthfoley wrote: Yea exactly. I'm just gonna stop overthinking things in the future if Breshke is flips obvious mafia kinda like palmar in the Star Wars game lol On February 25 2016 18:30 darthfoley wrote: this is actually so annoying and i'm going to be quite peeved when either of the confirmed town LS or Rels comes back as mafia and we lose the cell. Rels I accidentally looked at the mayor count vote instead of the VA/Breshke vote. My point is still valid and idk why accidentally writing 8 instead of 6 makes me confirmed scum. I later explained my logic after that post Rels. I really don't know why you guys think I would choose my hill to die on D1 defending my completely afk scum teammate when I could just bus him for town points like probably the rest of mafia are doing right now. i t m a k e s n o s e n s e On February 25 2016 18:36 darthfoley wrote: Yes. It is similar to my Star Wars game D1 regarding Palmar/Zyrre. Granted I was wrong in that game, but I really don't like when someone goes AFK and all of a sudden EVERYONE is scum reading that person, ESPECIALLY with the other person (VA) not doing anything imo to warrant the town reads he is getting On February 26 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Yea i'm frustrated. Because I spent half of my cycle wasting my breath defending someone who has turned out to be mega obvious mafia, while getting almost universally wrongly scum read for it. It's great if we successfully used our 50/50 and go up 1:0, but town would be in an amazing decision if we go up 2:0 after my cell and if I can't change people's minds, that won't happen. Can't remember who said it, but I endorse using the audience power for my group too unless there's some obvious reason i'm missing. Going up 2:0 should basically ensure a town win. On February 26 2016 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna say that the theory that i'm scum is: Breshke is read scum by people Everyone knows Ritoky will likely use 50/50 on the cell I decide to go super out of my way to reverse buss Breshke while my three other mafia teammates buss him I put a huge target on my back Breshke goes AFK Everyone scum reads me Breshke gets killed, town up 1:0 I get killed, town up 2:0 like this is really unlikely and super super dumb mafia play On February 26 2016 09:38 darthfoley wrote: I will filter dive Rels and LS. I'm more than willing to answer people's questions. As you said, i'm in a tough spot because people are meta town reading my cellmates, making me PoE mafia instead of actually having a mafia read on me which is rather annoying. At least that's the vibe i've gotten from everyone not in my cell. Even LS is PoE mafia me! Either way, Rels or LS is aware of their town meta and are exploiting it to great use so far. From what a few players were saying early game, I tend to think Rels is the more likely candidate to be able to emulate town play as scum-- at least that's what someone said early on who had experience with scum!Rels. My biggest defense right now is that if i'm mafia I've played a terribly stupid game. Now that might be believable in a regular mafia game, but there are other 4 mafia members who didn't tell me to cut it out early on. The smart mafia TEAM move is to buss Breshke, win cell 2 and consolidate from there. No way mafia sticks their neck out for a completely AFK Breshke. Think that was proven by Breshke not providing any information in the last 24h for town to decipher. I ask Kush, Shapelog or anyone who saw my scum or town play; does it really feel like i'm playing as mafia right now? Or are you just PoE stratting right now? I've been way more engaged, posted my thoughts-- even if they're unpopular-- and cared more than in my scum game in which I just went with whatever was hip and cool at the time. Anyways I realize this isn't enough, so I will accompany it with cell reads later. I have confidence that we can win this cell and I won't give up until the end of the day On February 26 2016 09:45 darthfoley wrote: That's fair. But no one has yet to "get" me on what my supposed endgame as mafia is from my D1 play. Kuragari and I with a bit of Vivax were the only ones who were skeptical of VA, and they are both in later cells. Why would mafia risk losing 2 cells in a row right at the beginning by trying to save a sunken ship? I might be less experienced than some players, but i'm not that dumb. This seems so obvious to me man. It's clear imo that mafia is in a less than ideal situation, and going down 0:2 is desperation mode. Breshke just takes one for the team and cell 2 becomes almost a must win for mafia. Who seems to be playing in must-win-this-cell mode? 5. His attitude before the 50/50 looked like he was scum with Breshke and waiting to see who the 50/50 ends up being on Here is my post on him at the time: 6. He's STILL undecided on who is scum between LS and I He started by shitting on my reads. Then when I fought back he switched to LS on the "LS scumread me when my reads align with him" thing. Since then he's been undecided. He doesn't know which one of us is scum. Like point 5 where he was undecided between VA and FF, it looks like he's waiting to see who is the easier mislynch between LS and I. Actually here is his last post in the thread: No answer. 7. NOT A REASON: him defending Breshke is NOT town indicative Him defending Breshke is not scum indicative per se (except it is since his reasonning for townreading Breshke is fabricated). But it is NOT town indicative. This is a game where you win when you get to three points. You scum team can have the best scum in the world, he is only going to bring his team 1 point if he's not lynched. He's not going to carry the game. In a standard game this defense of "I wouldn't defend my partner hardcore" would be a little more true. Just a little bit, as scum usually don't push or defend each other hardcore. But in this game, where if VA had been lynched scum team would have gotten 1 point, and DF is going to be out of the game after today anyway, there is NO advantages to bus your teammate, as the end result in the best case scenario is a draw. Conclusion Lynch him, gets free point. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote: How does him not being sure you are scum have anything to do with him being scum? This is like the point you made to me about how I am scum because I didn't want to TR Damdred. Makes no sense to me. Yeah it is a OMGUS reaction I will admit, but he is going to scum read you no matter what if he thinks LS is town. Because he was undecided before the case. Then after the case he was 100% I was scum. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:30 darthfoley wrote: LS is town for 1) THE FIRST PERSON ON BRESHKE 2) People who know him well town meta reading him 3) His play is quite similar to Star Wars, in which he was also town read rather quickly. My play this game makes 0 sense if i'm mafia. Wasn't I the only person to post reads for the rest of the cells today, even though both Rels and LS were asked? IT'S RELS Yeah you posted reads when asked. My reads are disaminated all over the day 'cause I played the game as a whole. They're evolving with the thread. I CANT believe I'm probably lynched over you. It makes me super mad. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:31 darthfoley wrote: Rels it's not that OMGUS; it's that I think you deliberately mislead and cherrypicked information to look like it was one of your town cases. You also know this so just stop fuck you | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:37 darthfoley wrote: well we'll see who's right in the obs QT after This is bullshit. If you're town and 100% sure I'm scum I have nothing to admit. | ||
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I'm sooooo mad being almost the lynch when the only proactive stuff DF has done has been protecting scum | ||
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So anybody switching to me is confirmed scum. Not that bad actually | ||
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ANYBODY SWITCHING TO ME STARTING NOW SHOULD BE AUTO LYNCHED | ||
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Fucking no. Apart from the "spewed ritoky town" thing which could be good but does not prove anything since ritoky is porobably never getting lynched anyway if hje's town. He's been defending himself and hesitating forever today. The only things he has done is defendsing scum and OMGUSing me after I've attacked him. | ||
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On February 28 2016 06:56 Vivax wrote: I hate being the tiebreaker You're not | ||
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Lynch anybody who votes me. | ||
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Thanks hosts it was a fucking good game. Ls and damdred you played fucking well. Well, most people played well this game. | ||
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Anyway I look forward playing that setup again. (= | ||
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On March 08 2016 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I heavily disagree with the bolded part. I worte this into the obs QT (slightly modified so it only touches the theory and not this game): Rels your argument for "mafia can bus two first Cells" is ridiculous because first of all it hinges on mafia getting a mafia mayor (which is unlikely). Then, even if it went perfectly for mafia they are suddenly in a situation where they are 3x LYLO in a game. It's bad for scum, it townfavored. I can't even comprehend how this this makes the game "mafia favored" in your opinion, as you are arguing the mafia's "best play" is to get towndcredit (which wont last forever) to put themselves into situation where they are continuously in lylo.... That was pretty interesting to reread. The "bus 2 scums to get INSANE TOWNCRED" is a little ridiculous I agree, but scum should definitely have a strategy when the cells are decided. In particular, they need to know which cells they want / need to fight the most to win, and which cells seem unwinnable and they will probably bus unless town fucks up. In that last case, the scum inside the cell need to play "GB style" and wrongly associate himself with town people in other cells. If the scum team do that, I think they have a advantage compared to a normal game. A scum that is universally townread will not be attacked by "Hey why is he still alive ?" A scum that is universally townread will not be copcheck. A strong townie will die when his cell is up even if he wins it. That's where 50/50 can be used to break scum plans that are too focused on mislynching one particular guy. It forces scum to adapt. That's why I think the normal cell setup + 50/50 is balanced. | ||
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Not only was he universally townread, he also got LS to be townread enough to not be considered scum. If he got mayor and put his cell last I think we were screwed. | ||
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On March 08 2016 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know very well this doesn't happen even in normal games.. see for example Palmar in Outlaw... And yes, living players townread him, people who didn't, magically died for some reason... This doesn't happen in normal games either. Which is why you put the Cells with even possibly strong townies if they are town in the latter lynches. OK. Do you agree that a scum that is universally townread has an easier time in this setup than in a normal one ? That is what I feel like. | ||
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Should have listened to you when you had that good find on ls ^^ | ||
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