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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 01:05 GMT
#2013
On March 02 2016 09:51 Shapelog wrote:
I did, I just never posted about it.
Did the same thing In a game that i just finished with the intentional of soft claiming Miller.


You were scum in that game?
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 02:27 GMT
#2019
On March 02 2016 10:25 Shapelog wrote:
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On March 02 2016 10:05 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 02 2016 09:51 Shapelog wrote:
I did, I just never posted about it.
Did the same thing In a game that i just finished with the intentional of soft claiming Miller.


You were scum in that game?

Kura are you going to actually do anything or do I need to beat you with a stick to show people that you are town. (at least I think you are more town over Sicklax Saltshaker


I will do something just not the stick daddy..

Anything in specific that you want me to do?
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 04:38 GMT
#2022
Well I'm off for the night! Epic Shaperapist read in the morning (with my thoughts *sigh* for ritoky)!

Peace.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 16:58 GMT
#2079
On March 03 2016 01:39 Shapelog wrote:
After Reading SL latest posts, In my medical opinion. He is suffering from a stoke.


Could you explain for me (in non-medical terms) what a stoke is?
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:14 GMT
#2085
Holy Moley Shapeman! Its the Last Readbender's EPIC Evaluation of YOU!

Shapelog -


Post 290: Original reads.+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2016 23:27 Shapelog wrote:
Anyways. I skimmed the thread, (I might have tinfoil already btw ) It is a bit early in the game. But I rather have this written down. Going to be helpful this game

So Cell A: We have Rik, SL, and Kura.

Funny enough, I have played with each of these lovely people once. They also all died before D2 when I played with them. I really do not know a lot about them. Rik, Who I want to town read, but have this "tryhard scum" feel from him. Pardonidia is a bitch right? SL, Has a weird entrance but is just weird in general. So I need to watch him. And then Kura.

Kura from what I know, is a low content poster (as town mind you). He got lynched in the Newbie due to "Scum slip." For those wanting a filter from him that game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix?user=Kuragari42
From what i can tell, he was much more Srsy. in that game than this one. This one he is joking and stuff like that. It is different from b/4 though to say the least. Maybe the Free posting from him is just him excited.

Cell B: So I am with Damdred and Obi. And one of them is scum. Wow, ok, that is different. So we got Damdred who is campaigning for mayor VS. Obi who hasn't done anything other then state questions or post 1/2 liners.

So we got a scum between Tryhard guy and underwhelming guy. Prob. read closely at Damdred posts after this.

Since this is my cell, I really do not care for the record when we go. Doesn't matter to me (although you people might have meta things and stuff like.) I just really do not want Mayor to go to Damdred mainly just b/c of him being in my cell.

Cell C: Darth/KubRels/LS

Oh wow, talk about strong townies (except one isn't). Darth from what I have played with him (Newbie XIX, Blue) is a strong town player. KubRels, well I scum read him and push him heavily b/4 as town, so need to watch that. I prob. look at his filter from Nut just to get idea of him again. But Content from him needs to be judged And then LS, who is stated to be hard to read. Idk about tbh, a lot of times he seems easy to read. However I have never rolled scum with him.

I really do not know where to start on this one. Prob. wait a bit (prob. start of D1) before filter diving and trying to read them.

Cell D: FF/Breskhe/VA


People who I have not really played with or played briefly with. Quick Filter dive feels:

FF: Happy to be "Town", which IIRC, Kush stated that he would have a scum burnout. That prob. filters into that post a bit tbh. Then reinstates it which feels weird.

Another thing that stands out:
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On February 23 2016 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
vivax and breshke mafia

Deng ninja'd by my cellmate

He does not seem to care about why Breshke is being scum read by his other cell mate VA. I find it strange that FF, knowing if he is town that 1 or the other is scum, does not care about why they scum read each other. It just feels like FF didn't care.

Breskhe: Anti-Mayor, Most of his talk is about set up. Fine with Damdred or Rit as mayor. I like the fact that he did not want afk players last. I agree with him on that, I feel that strong townies can help the game progress and help overall with the cells.

Other than that, he really has not done anything. Kinda just talked about set up and left.

VA: Scum reads! Scum reads everywhere!
Wow, this guy is very aggressive. He really has not stated why he is scum reading people. But that actually makes me feel like he might be town. I feel personally that scum would feel the need to explain their scum reads.

His attention is weirdly focused on My cell (B) and his Cell (D).

I feel out the 3, right now if i had to pick, I say FF is scum. Does not make sense IMO, that he would not care about his other cell mates (while being town) scum reading each other. Especially since he would know that 1 of them had to be scum.

Is a bit early though. So who knows. Maybe FF will blow me away or something.

Cell E: Kush/Vivax/BUM
MY MAN KUSH! I have played many of town games with Kush (I actually think, that all my games, Nut, Newbies 1&2, etc.) I have played with him. So Kush should know me very well. On the other hand, I have never played with scum Kush. So idk what to look at him for.

His involvement + his attitude makes me want to TL him.

So that Leaves Vivax and BUM. Which prob. is going to need a PoE in the long run.
+ Show Spoiler [things for me to remember for later.] +

Bum: Wants his cell to go second last. posted nothing. and kinda peaces. I find him not wanting his cell to go till near the end a bit sus. Though it does fall in line with other peoples logic (Making them go on D3.)

Vivax interested in trying to find scum in his cell. He feels different than from Nut (which is not much, considering I expect any scum like that to change their play-style). His other post is a bit weak. One that stands out is "KubRel for Mayor post." Does not make sense really from a scum perspective to me. Even if they are a team.


I agree that this cell should go D3 maybe, Just note that that is the weekend cell.


Post 590: He stresses upon Damdred's bad (and we now know, false) thought.+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2016 22:00 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 24 2016 08:55 Damdred wrote:
I'm here, sorry ff thought I was up first.

Ok so I had a thought Breshke did something super Toney I want thoughts on.

When he came back rit was debating when to use the 50/50. It will be 100% easier in that situation for Breshke to go 1 v 1 and either take the loss and do nothing or just try to take that person down.

However Breshke asks rit not to use it so that he can do work. This is pretty town oriented to me it forces him to do more work looking at multiple people. It forces the rest of the game to take stances on all three rather than a 50-50.
I like this thought of mine.

I like that thought of yours too. Mafia would just push the 1v1 instead of trying to convince Breshke not to use it. Especially since there are some more useful cells to use that on.

I am going to look into VA after i catch up. My reasoning to TR him doesn't feel good to me after sleeping.


Post 593: Goes back on 590. + Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2016 22:08 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 24 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:
On February 24 2016 22:00 Shapelog wrote:
On February 24 2016 08:55 Damdred wrote:
I'm here, sorry ff thought I was up first.

Ok so I had a thought Breshke did something super Toney I want thoughts on.

When he came back rit was debating when to use the 50/50. It will be 100% easier in that situation for Breshke to go 1 v 1 and either take the loss and do nothing or just try to take that person down.

However Breshke asks rit not to use it so that he can do work. This is pretty town oriented to me it forces him to do more work looking at multiple people. It forces the rest of the game to take stances on all three rather than a 50-50.
I like this thought of mine.

I like that thought of yours too. Mafia would just push the 1v1 instead of trying to convince Breshke not to use it. Especially since there are some more useful cells to use that on.

I am going to look into VA after i catch up. My reasoning to TR him doesn't feel good to me after sleeping.

I 100% disagree with both you and Damdred. The only scums that are OK with using 50/50 are scums that are heavily townread, as 1v1 puts them in a position where the other guy is lynched. Scums that are scumread do not want to 50/50 used as they might lose the 1V1 fight. If Breshke is scum, he is MORE likely to be lynched in a 1v1 than in a 1v2.

True.


Post 625: Good post calling out Breshke. Though this may be just scums complete bus of him.+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2016 00:27 Shapelog wrote:
I do not like this post.
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On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote:
Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be.

Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them.

I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different.

@VA

On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:
On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?

I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse


i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake".

kush feels town for now

darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game.

SL was underwhelming on his entrance.

VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it


you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game

but dont worry ill solve the game right now

SL
Obi
Rels
breshke
vivax

badabing


I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list.

So he has not reason to scum read anyone, but yet then scums VA. That in itself is a bit weird. But then says he is going to filter VA.
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On February 24 2016 08:37 Breshke wrote:
erm FF wanna be a mate and tell me which were your scumgames. I forgot database wouldnt have em.

180 from Filter diving VA. This was right after he posted saying he was going to filter dive VA.

It is strange that he does not follow up on his scum read and instead go after some who he think is town. If he thinks that FF is town, and if he is town, then he should be focusing hard on VA. But he does isn't

Breshke is Scum! and I am sorry to FF for calling him scum


Post 674: Says that VA may just have RL issues when VA was being way more active than Breshke.+ Show Spoiler +
Eh like Man VA might just have RL stuff. Going to vote the person who I think is scum.
##Vote: Breshke


Post 685: Responds to the above issue by saying he was talking to himself? I don’t get it and will be surprised if someone doesn't call him out. + Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2016 03:43 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 25 2016 03:40 Rels wrote:
On February 25 2016 03:34 Shapelog wrote:
Eh like Man VA might just have RL stuff. Going to vote the person who I think is scum.
##Vote: Breshke


What do you mean with that "RL stuff" thing ? VA posted more frequently than Breshke so I don't understand.

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On February 25 2016 03:19 Shapelog wrote:
^I have a weird vibe from darth at #640 . It is totally, like destroying my inner zen.
But then we have the VA man. And like he is not helping balance the thread. Like there was like, 10 or so posts before Mr.Darthy Froffy posted. Then he replies and sits back, and even answers Kush's question (who I though was like, not going to be here today.) before getting around to Darth. Which, like could come from a town who was trying to just not implied the conversation.

Was talking to myself.


Post 879: Misrepresents darth by cutting a post short.+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2016 22:16 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote: Does this game remind you at all of my scum play in Unoriginal? I'd say it's about as different as you could be.

+
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On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote:
@Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed,

=
Confusion. Darth wants people to see that he is different from his scum game in unoriginal (which was Unthemed.) But when I pull up a another unthemed game (A Newbie but still) he says it is completely different.

I would of been fine if he said "Shapelog, it is different because that is a Newbie." But instead he said "Shapelog it is different because this is themed."


Post 886: He admits that he would bus his teammates were he scum. + Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2016 22:37 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 25 2016 10:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't know if shape would bus here though.
I need some time to mull on that.

If I was scum, 9/10 I would bus. I am willing to bus team mates (see Newbie XIX) as needed.

Though I am town, and came to a conclusion that breskhe was scum b/4 50/50.


Post 900/895: Shape seems surprised that he cut off the Star Wars part of darth’s post despite mentioning it just 5 posts before. I like how he doesn't bold the part where darth pretty much says you can't compare the two because it was newbie (playing with much better and experienced players).+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2016 22:57 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 25 2016 22:53 Rels wrote:
On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote:
@Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them.

Though the quote is really not contradictory when taken as a whole. Shape why did you cut the part about Star Wars out ? It is actually consistent with DF talking about his meta .The suspicious thing here is him going on so many times about him being unlike his scum play and like his town play in star wars.

There was a bit about star wars!?!
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On February 25 2016 22:53 Rels wrote:
On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote:
@Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them.

I thought he was just talking about the difference in him playing or something. I didn't see Star Wars *facepalm*
Alrighttttt, going to get some coffee to wake up because I am obvis not awake.....


Post 922: He promises reads 2-3 hours later. Let's see if he fulfills..

Post 944: He did Cell A (the last cell to go) reads first? Maybe to make it appear as though he is being helpful without providing relevant info. + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2016 00:07 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 26 2016 00:06 Rels wrote:
On February 25 2016 23:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
brag list 2.3
changelog: that read progression from kura seems natural so he gets a townread
No. You even think Breshke is scum; kura never mentions him, he says FF is likely scum and VA least likely scum (convienently not mentioning Breshke), then finds an excuse to vote VA any way without any evolution on his read on VA or Breshle when 6 people votes Breshke like he himself should given his reads.

!
I spotted this too when I did CELL A for my reads (Only one I have done.)


Post 1016: He did post his reads! He makes decent cases on several people but I don't like his reads on me, noon, or Vivax. A lot of his points on those 3 feel forced.+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2016 04:08 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 25 2016 22:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay kur, Rels, and Shape can I have your reads please?
Sure.
[image loading] (this was yesterday, btw. I am still up and about my Cell at the time. which is why Damdred and OWS is not colored.)

CELL A
Rit: Nothing making me think he is scum. Throughout his 5 page filter, He shows that he is willing to solve the game. And I like his 50/50 play. Town IMO.

SaltShaker: Saltshaker has really not done much, so Focusing on the stuff he has done. There are some things I do not like.
On February 23 2016 15:50 sicklucker wrote:
FF im already town reading you. You dont need to pay me 50 bucks this game. Thank you for the paypal transactions in previous game

TR on FF. But then...
On February 24 2016 06:15 sicklucker wrote:
I think I want the 50/50 used on d I cant read any of those people. C is also a good option. I think using it on are cell is a waste

He was able to TR FF, which should narrow down 2 people being scum. But yet he claims that he can't read anyone in CELL D. Maybe he thought he read was weak. But that is kinda of a stretch when he says kura voting for FF makes FF town and:
On February 25 2016 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
On February 25 2016 03:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
50:50
The 50:50 has been used! FecalFeast is confirmed as Town.
[image loading]


USELESS i already knew that


Just Weird. I don't understand how he can be TR/TLing FF but yet say he can't read any of them.

Other than that, he has made some "helpful" posts (mainly Cell order.) Wish more from him though. I would like for him to explain the above. Right now he is Null (And out of POE right now, town)

Kura (The last readbender): Just so Little of Almost Anything.
On February 23 2016 22:39 Kuragari42 wrote:
On February 23 2016 21:33 sicklucker wrote:
I already figured it out..

Like my cell was solved the second player 3 voted player 2 for mayor. Because player 3 SHOULD THINK theres a 1 in 2 chance for player 2 to be scum.

SO PLAYER 3 SHOULD NOT WANT PLAYER 2 TO BE MAYOR.

PLAYER 3 DOES NOT CARE BECAUSE HES SCUM.

like this is a free win we should use it


Send our cell first; eliminate strong scum right off the bat. Not bad, I'm more down for the D4 but I'll roll with it.

On February 24 2016 01:51 Kuragari42 wrote:
Cell B should go first to spare our brains from more than one phase of shaperape.

On February 24 2016 04:08 Kuragari42 wrote:
On February 24 2016 04:00 Damdred wrote:
Why B?


Shaperape.

Wants Cell A and B to go 1st. When asked about B, he replied with Shaperape (Love it by the way), and that he just wants me out. Cool, we have a person who doesn't give a fuck about who gets lynched. And he does not post any other reason but Shaperape. It is almost like he was pushing a ML.

He starts Reading FF as scum. Makes this weird bus strat post (which still makes no sense at all to me.) FF gets confirmed by 50/50. Kura goes on to question why the votes have piled on breskhe.

This seems weird to me. Like he has avoided reading Breskhe (at most he said he was Null)
On February 25 2016 11:35 Kuragari42 wrote:
Ugh. Sorry I never posted reads. I had to work on a lot of homework. Too tired now and there really isn't much that puts either of them too far past null.

Just wary of the mass votes on VA so quickly.


But he focus heavily on VA afterwards. Feels off if both are Roughly Nulls.

Then in general his posts are below underwhelming...

I feel the Kura is the scum in this one. And if Breshke flips scum, That drives the nail in the coffin. He sounds just to focus on VA, Which would make sense, as he is defending Breshke basically by not talking about him. IF Breshke flips town, I going to look heavily into SL.


CELL B:
Damdred: His post on order (the one he runs for mayor.) he does not heavily talk about (might of missed it.) our cell. Ok it could just be he forgot or it was our cell and X.
+ Show Spoiler [Tinfoil thought that i disproved to my…] +
On February 23 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote:
The best cells for power uses are rels cell and vaynes cell. Most information out of harder to read players.

Plus there are two cells you can't put d1/2. And vivax cell is vest d3 as he beco.es obvious town or mafia.

Do d1/3 gas to be vaynes or rels cell. And its beter for rels I think for reasons above

On February 23 2016 09:04 Damdred wrote:
I misunderstood ask the audience I thought something else.

Then yes we should use them I believe on the ff/bresh/va cell.

And vca in this setup is unreliable because of no flip. (if its like usual)

I think its more important getting an easy point early the vivax cell should be super easy if people in that cell tries. Rels can look super towny early and generally does d1.

I think ls cell is the best early cell since everyone else can be read easier later.


I think that bresh cell could be swapped for ls cell but I think a 50/50 there isn't as good as on ls cell as they have what most consider two coinflips.

This is kinda of tinfoily, but what if Damdred was pushing Cell C to go 1st because Rels would have less time to play? Eh kinda goes against Damdred opionons about Rels (Good as town in short blasts)


Still do not understand anything a bout the term "tilting"

His read progression on Breshke (this cycle) is:
On February 24 2016 08:55 Damdred wrote:
I'm here, sorry ff thought I was up first.

Ok so I had a thought Breshke did something super Toney I want thoughts on.

When he came back rit was debating when to use the 50/50. It will be 100% easier in that situation for Breshke to go 1 v 1 and either take the loss and do nothing or just try to take that person down.

However Breshke asks rit not to use it so that he can do work. This is pretty town oriented to me it forces him to do more work looking at multiple people. It forces the rest of the game to take stances on all three rather than a 50-50.
I like this thought of mine.


On February 25 2016 00:06 Damdred wrote:
I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both.

Which is town to me because the 50/50 will still be used and it will still be 1 v 1 with two people. It does force breshke to do the work before rit uses it.

As for my read on ls, I think he is town here. He might not be as talkative, but he's putting in ok work finding things (ff forgotten mafia game) so he's not as lazy mafia ls. He sounded somewhat upset me suggesting putting his cell first so he's not roll over ls to some degree. And he didn't just blindly sheep my thoughts initially on Darth.

And why I wanted him first I didn't have a read on him and the pressure+50/50 would of made him crack towards town or roll over I think.


On February 25 2016 03:48 Damdred wrote:
I don't think its anything to be scared about, there's nothing wrong with putting pressure on breshke here see if he rolls over.

If he starts spamming town rainbows we can reevaluate.

But since there's not much to go on until he does its probably best to look at next cell.

Sl what do you think ?

On February 25 2016 13:10 Damdred wrote:
I sort of have to lynch breshke here for promising to do things without actually doing them. I mean my initial thought was good I think but the total lack of anything completely negates it.

VA trying to do anything beyond his cell is also probably a town tell at this juncture.

Honestly it sorta is policy almost at this point. VA has done slightly more if even giving reads. Plus another good point someone said earlier about ignoring scum Bayne to focus on town ff. While I think there is a town reason to do it totally lacked in anything besides an I itial idea.

Anf no wonder we were confused hehe.


I can understand his read progression on breshke (Null -> Townie stuff -> Pressure vote -> scum/P). I have a bit of a prob. with him voting someone who he thought could be town, but he said it was for pressure to force the breshke out of his hole. Which I believe, Plus I've pressure voted b/4 as town, so Yeah.

On February 26 2016 00:00 Damdred wrote:
Kush is probably the biggest moron in the thread.

God dsmmit what do I have to do to get town read for the game? Obviously its not be fucking active and push things in a game. Fuck it in going back to bed.


<3. Though, do not understand how not getting town read = doing the opposite to get town read. I mean it just feels off. Idk why a townie would leave like that b/c of not getting town read.

So Damdred is solving the game, getting pissed and stuff like that. Things I find wrong are tinfoily stuff. Maybe I am being Paranoid and Damdred is really town. That last post I quoted makes me feel weird though, it does not make sense from a town preservative IMO.

OWS: The underwhelming one of the two.
Scum reads me.

Cell B

I've already discussed it, but I think shapelog is the scum in our cell.

I think I'll probably end up as the competing wagon if our cell winds up for lynch but I figured as such earlier.
If we do end up using an ability here, I think 50/50 is probably better on this cell than ask the audience. Obs isn't going to be helpful since I'm basically an engima to everyone all the time. The 50/50 has a chance of clearing me and making it way easier for everyone else, but if it doesn't then it's just going to be difficult regardless.

Blah blah blah.
On February 24 2016 04:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Our cell going last and us actually getting there would be super tense lmao.
I'm still pretty sure it's shapelog but whatever.

On February 24 2016 05:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
My cell is actually super difficult so probably put it last.

I do not understand how our cell is hard (In his pov) when both Him and damdred scum read me. Shouldn't he want to go 1st and get a point for town if he was certain? I'll admit, it is hard for me because I have 2 people who been towine and i know 1 is scum.

BUT for him at this point, he saw himself(town), Damdred (town), Shapelog(Scum). What is hard about that? nothing. You basically have figured out the cell (I your opinion) and should be pushing so.

Other than that, he has asked questions, gave some answers. Only 1 big post (WoT) and thats really it. Ik he has been busy with work, but I feel he could of done more.

If I had to pick, OBI is scum in the cell. Damdred might be scum, but Most of my grievances with him is tinfoily stuff. Thankfully I have 2 cycles before my cell is up, so I hope they become more clear as it goes on.


CELL C: I was Rushed, Will Elaborate more after I get home.
LS-LS has not made a post that has really move me. He has not made a big post really, or anything like that. He has not really posted anything like a list of reads and stuff like that.

Thus, My TR has degenerate from LS.
On February 25 2016 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up guys and I see VA and Breshke haven't posted anything -_- Rel's thinks I' m town and Shape being Shape and ritoky tried to explain bum his meta read on VA. Hmm. Also the fact Breshke haven't even tried much to defend himself since the 1v1 is very bad. I think I will vote Breshke for now unless something changes.
##Vote: Breshke

Not a great reason to join the wagon. But W/e.

I kinda have LS in a POE situation here, his other 2 cell mates have been making big posts. V.S. LS who is very lax with his post size. I have a weak TL on him because of his overall relaxed tone (until that flip on FF. lol), but I could see him being scum.
After reading that again, I want to look at it more

RELS- I did not like his opening reads. Mostly because it was a clash of meta and content (I actually think, that in all my town games, I have actually posted a list of reads with the most being Null lol.) One sentence on a read back on his read on me does not make sense.
His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy.

I do not understand how not TR damdred is scummy. Might just be confirmation Bias though.

He is questioning people and interrogating. He is trying to solve the game, which makes want to TR him. I do, however, wish he would not use meta so hard but what ever.

Darth- I am wishy on Darth. Some posts makes me want to TR him while others I find scummy. One thing i found weird was how after the Breshke wagon got heavily he started to go after LS and kind of did so during the middle of the cycle. Maybe it is just him trying to solve his cell since it's next.

Scum for this cell is either LS/Darth. I am rushed so I can not really deep read darth's filter to detrime if he is scum trying to live or town trying to figure out things..



Cell D:

FF-Confirmed town.

VA, Refuses to give anything else. Is kinda of watching the clock too.
On February 25 2016 02:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On February 25 2016 02:00 darthfoley wrote:
No, i'm aggressively going after shitty town reads from a guy in MY cell who could easily be scum, but go ahead and keep misrepresenting me


why would I need to misrepresent you, im outta the game before your even up for lynch and my alignment will be known so it doesnt matter what I say about you. Lynching breshke is a formality at this point unless the 50/50 says otherwise so it would be nice if ritoky would come back and do his job

His reads aren't good either:
On February 26 2016 01:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Aight, at this point:

Use ask the audience on the next cell. I have lost any semblence of a read on this clownfiesta ever since LS' fake rage. It could be any of the 3 honestly. See what people think about Rels' play this game and LS. Darthfoley should be readable on content alone, he has some things that are both strange and town mindset.

Next cell is most likely vivax or bum, if its kush wp those random ass graphs and other weird shit hes done this game really worked, i dont see him being mafia. Vivax will slow down probably if hes scum? gets bored so that might be a clearer cell by then.

next 2 I think are obi and SL. zero reasons just feels. SL slightly less abrasive this game and playing referee, and I always think obi is scum so it doesnt really matter. I guess that one is more POE from that cell.

Next cell: Null
3rd Cell (E): Vivax/bum. With a "watch and see" on Vivax
4th and 5th: Obi and SL off of feels. No content to go off of.

I mean this guy just does not seem to care about the later part of the game (neither is FF but w/e). This is the only lynch we will know for SURE who is who (well i guess sucessful lynchs means you know who scum is.)

Breshke, has posted stuff, but now peaced. Said that VA was scum, but did a 180 the next post by going into his TR FF. Has not come back... Just really a whole host of probs. ([spoiler]
On February 25 2016 00:27 Shapelog wrote:
I do not like this post.
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On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote:
Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be.

Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them.

I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different.

@VA

On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:
On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?

I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse


i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake".

kush feels town for now

darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game.

SL was underwhelming on his entrance.

VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it


you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game

but dont worry ill solve the game right now

SL
Obi
Rels
breshke
vivax

badabing


I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list.

So he has not reason to scum read anyone, but yet then scums VA. That in itself is a bit weird. But then says he is going to filter VA.
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On February 24 2016 08:37 Breshke wrote:
erm FF wanna be a mate and tell me which were your scumgames. I forgot database wouldnt have em.

180 from Filter diving VA. This was right after he posted saying he was going to filter dive VA.

It is strange that he does not follow up on his scum read and instead go after some who he think is town. If he thinks that FF is town, and if he is town, then he should be focusing hard on VA. But he does isn't

Breshke is Scum! and I am sorry to FF for calling him scum

[/spoiler])

Scum for this cell is prob. Breshke. But it literary is a shit fight between VA and Breshke. At least VA is here Vs. Breshke. I am trusting my gut, with my early Tl on VA. Plus, I can not forgive that 180 turn.


CELL E:
Kush: Something that make me feel really good if breshke filps scum.
On February 24 2016 00:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
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kura
ows
rels
breshke
bum

This is from D1, and is his 1st brag list. Idk Scum!Kush would put his team mate Scum!Breshke under the bus (especially when a juciy FF was there.) Also has pushed Breshke hard.
But enough of pre-associate reads (I done that enough this list.)

Overall I think he is town due to his posts. The only one I have Grievance with is:
On February 25 2016 22:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@shape, I'm really happy that I'll never have to read you this game
I guess if I had a gun to my head and I had to pick out the scum from your cell I'd say damdred but that's not based on any study.

I Still do not understand why he does not have to read me this game, especially when he has played in all my games and his cell going b/4 me.
I think his read on me is POE?
On February 25 2016 23:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
2 Damdred is scum because shape and ows look town? Very little confidence in that read though.

I wish he would explain why we look town though. And what about damdred reeks scum.
Vivax: Read progression is something that strikes me when I look at his filter (In a good way) He TR kush and then, by POE, scum reads bum. Stuff happens, and then he starts questioning his TR on kush:
On February 24 2016 05:58 Vivax wrote:
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On February 24 2016 05:56 ritoky wrote:
vivax, if you could pick the ideal spot for your cell to go, which would it be?


Second cause it seems like an easy group and it gives me some more time to solve the game, im already tinfoiling about my kush tr cause of some stuff hes been asking that was bad/pointless/uninformed.

On February 24 2016 05:59 Vivax wrote:
But since bum is so underwhelming and didn't give two shits I picked him out as the mafia already its a pretty weak tinfoil.

I like that. Scum!Vivax could of just keep pushing Bum. There is no point for him to put himself in danger and weaking himself like that. That is like the ideal spot for scum and he went against it. Also he wants to solve the game.

Bummy: Wanted his cell to go 4th, which seemed scummy to me. Why would someone want to to go last with a easier cell is beyond my level of understanding. Never explains it though.
He makes 2 reads (VA and Breshke) and sort of defends Breshke (not heavily though. Kinda of like leaving outs and stuff like that). Idk why he put a link to a VA post from a game in a read on Breshke.
I do not agree with Him about LS being scummy about forcing a confirm townie to RQ. Comes in at a weird time were people are questioning LS alignment too.

Scum for this one: Bum (POE)


TLDR:
-WoT's are hard to write when you are town.
-Scum are IMO Kura, OWS, darth/LS , Breshke ,Bum
After filterdiving here is a new chart:
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I just now figured out how to select all………

Post 1104: Says he needs to recheck his PM to confirm that he is town. Never comes back with the answer. + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2016 06:54 Shapelog wrote:
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On February 26 2016 06:50 darthfoley wrote:
Just wanna remind you guys about how everyone was complimenting Rels's mafia play and to stay wary of it

I even rechecked my role PM and I am indeed Town
I still need to check that. Gimme a sec.
Shapelog is SCUM .

Post 1361: Scum slip. So Scum Darth [i]would be and Town Darth is ..+ Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2016 09:36 Shapelog wrote:
1. I agree with Darth, I feel his read on Breshke at the time makes sense. Mainly because there was not a lot to go off of. And the votes count, while misleading, could just be a simple mistake on Darth's behalf. I do not understand how it would help scum to lie about VC when it is so easy to look at.
2. I can understand Darths defense and questioning about Rel's VA read. I do not think, however, Rels fabricated it in anyway to TR VA while bussing Breshke. Especially when FF or VA could of been pushed for lack of content Etc at that point.
3. Darth logics makes sense.
4. I agree with Rels, I personally feel like Darth is spending to much time defending himself. But What else is he going to do? Half the thread (if not all of it) is scum reading him. But He could be finding more holes etc. while proving his town stats. Darth did jump ahead however and answer 5 in his response to 4. (Meta reads help cause theses btw.)
5. He did read them.
6. I think Darth should I have a read at this point (maybe not on LS because not a whole lot for a newbie to go off of.) But it makes sense for Darth to point out scum things (just like I have been doing with my cell)
7. 2 ponts that are NAI are, guess what NAI! Darth could of cited the vote timing of rel btw....

Darth OMGUS on Rels: Really NAI, Scum Darth would be trying to ML Rels if he saw a opening. Town Darth Is prob. pissed at Rels.
Rels not wanting to use the Obs power being Scummy:Could be tbh., It is a weak power. If we are going ot use it, Rik needs to use it now.


Post 1830: 2 minutes logic is wrong. + Show Spoiler +

On March 01 2016 03:08 Shapelog wrote:
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On March 01 2016 02:48 Vivax wrote:
First of all, I'm making you town jedi if anything, not that ugly old geezer:

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2016 02:04 Shapelog wrote:
You need to fill me with hate and Tinfoil Vivax. basically you need to turn this:
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Into this:
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Start with this. Get yourself into the perspective of scum who needs to deliver an opinion on a scumbuddy and has the knowledge that this read might eventually backfire on him later in the game.

On February 23 2016 09:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 23 2016 09:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh thank the dark gods I rolled town again.

I'll never complain about rolling town ever again

what do you think of breshke so far? or anyone


This post is from Damdred, I already talked about this earlier in my filter.

On February 23 2016 09:14 Damdred wrote:
Personally breshke is a bit of a mixed bag.

Part of the problem is that his posts relay a little bit of conufsiom on the setup and part of me goes it would be easy for scum bresh to try to survive on that.

While another side of me thinks he would try to be a bit more strong here and not try to put the confused town forward.

So atm I'm thinking bottom of null .


While this is by FF shortly after Damdy posted it, and we know FF was town.

On February 23 2016 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh so I'm in a cell with breshke.

All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor?

Mostly setup talk so far actually so it's not enough to call him scum but I don't particularly like anything he's posted so far


After seeing this, do you think Damdred is town or mafia and why?

I had to look back at page 9ish to see the conversation in it's nature environment.
Ok so Damdred answer a question meant for FF about his supposing scummate Breshke. And answer it before FF did, which would maybe influence FF read. You are thinking of a urge to defend a teammate who might be underwhelming without being the cause to defend him. I mean if you look at like that, then it is pretty sus.
But you failed to see a post, that, I think makes the situation a tad different.
On February 23 2016 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 23 2016 09:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 23 2016 09:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh thank the dark gods I rolled town again.

I'll never complain about rolling town ever again


what do you think of breshke so far? or anyone

Not read yet, just grabbing my coffee and then I'll do it.

This was 2 mins before the post from damdred. Which could explain why a damdred from townville posted that. Because FF did not have anything, and he wanted to get his voice heard.
Overall I think it really is a NAI thing once you take into the account of that post above. I can see either alignment doing so from Damdred.
And then there is the real reason I must ask you Mr.Vivax. Why on earth did you show me this section of his filter?


Post 2014: He says that Damdred is scummy because he was tunneling me, then he says Damdred is scummy for not caring about Cell A. That seems to be a direct contradiction.+ Show Spoiler +

Ok I am barly able to see the screen anymore and I am just looking at my keyboard to type.

My tinfoil theory (which i have not fully looked at btw) basically puts Damdred/Sl as scum together because of a few reasons.
One, He seems tunneled on Kura, but rarely meations SL. even called SL useless and not caring (but yet that does not seem to send off red flags as of late.)
however I soon as i say i thought Kura was town. Damdred jumped on me.
Two, He does not even seem to really care about Cell A. He is like "wow your cell is hard." yet it was one of the easier cells in the game tbh. there is not really a lot to ponder other which of the 2 do you think is more lazy.

There is more, But i need eyes really to fitler dive. Prob. worth doing a associative read for both OWS and Damdred with the 2 flipped scum (and maybe Darth as well, though, that might not be fair tbh).


Post 2075: This case for Shape’s TR on Obi doesn't seem very strong to me.+ Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On March 03 2016 01:37 Shapelog wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 03 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:
Ows is generally a hard person to read even obi admits that.

So will you e,plain your tr in depth?
Well sure bob!

Well 1st lets start here: this cycle.
[QUOTE]On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?

Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On March 02 2016 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 02 2016 23:40 Shapelog wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?

Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so.[/QUOTE]
Did you see my post on damdred in the last page?
Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if PoE really works for me tbh - I can't come up with concrete reasons for either of you being town.
It might be easy for you but for me, not so much.

I read your post. It seemed okay but I sort of understood how Damdred could get there as well.[/QUOTE]
OWS can easily follow his read progression this game and just push my death. Instead he is considering both options instead of taking the easy bait. Scum could easily get a point here with my death and Etc.

[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred.
Fucking do something.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 05:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I have to head to work now.
I will be watching as best I can.

Damdred needs to vote - I don't know what he's doing now but I'm losing my mind over it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 05:51 Damdred wrote:
Obi shut the fuck up I'll do things as I get time to do them. I got called into work after I ate because I take they are passed at me for giving a two weeks notice but that's beside the point.

@Ritoky, here's the issue I have. Darth feels a bit town in some of his later postings and it sorta feels to me like Rels is trying to zero in on the lynch. And I'm not sure which way to go a small bit.

I do think Darth is a little to defense oriented but his reads list give us a lot of information if he is scum at the same time. And I see that coming from town more than scum in this situation[/QUOTE]

Sorry, forgot about your interview and junk.[/QUOTE]
Something about this rubs me as town. Like he is interested in your vote, but yet aren't pushing your voting logic were I feel scum who do the opposite.

He also did not just vote bum and peace. He was interested in our cell
[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 10:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fair enough.
So, talk to me a bit about Damdred?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 10:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Normally I'm really comfortable reading him one way or the other but I at least want to pick at him a bit before our cell is on the block.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 28 2016 10:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think now is the time we take a serious look at Damdred at this point.
Why do you think he's town?[/QUOTE]

I can go on if i want, which i am going to.
He also does not have a sense of "I GOT TO DO SOMETHING" I feel scum in this situation, even if the heat is not on them, would be doing what me and damdred are doing and posting things to try to convince people they are not scum.
[/QUOTE]


With just reading Shape's filter, I'd say he is scum .
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
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March 02 2016 17:14 GMT
#2086
On March 03 2016 02:00 Shapelog wrote:
wheres your amazing shapelog read Kura?


Epic, not amazing.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:16 GMT
#2088
On March 03 2016 02:00 Shapelog wrote:
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On March 03 2016 01:58 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 01:39 Shapelog wrote:
After Reading SL latest posts, In my medical opinion. He is suffering from a stoke.


Could you explain for me (in non-medical terms) what a stoke is?

Damage to the brain from interruption of its blood supply. -google

Becauselly your brain cannot get enough blood.


Wow. You didn't even catch it the second time.. stoke..
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:18 GMT
#2090
On March 03 2016 02:15 Shapelog wrote:
Lol You think i was srs. with the PM check?
Also even If I was to come back with and say it was town, that would make you think i was town?


I was sort of joking with that part lol. If you had come back and said you were town it would not have been remarkable.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:26 GMT
#2092
Oh I forgot.

@Everyone Is LS known for playing a lot of LOL?
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:29 GMT
#2096
On March 03 2016 02:23 Shapelog wrote:
And me saying 2 mins is why I think Damdred was NAI off of those post is also Scum?


Poor logic is what makes that post scummy.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:42 GMT
#2099
On March 03 2016 02:27 Shapelog wrote:
Post 2014: He says that Damdred is scummy because he was tunneling me, then he says Damdred is scummy for not caring about Cell A. That seems to be a direct contradiction.

Yeah if he cares about Cell A he wouldn't be so focused on you and not really on SL. He is not even really focused on SL, but when i called you townie yesterday he instantly asked why.


I don't understand the bolded.


"He wouldn't be so focused on you and not really on SL."

So he already has who he think is scum in Cell A, he therefore doesn't care about Cell A?

"But when I called you townie yesterday he instantly asked why."

He asks you about your town read on his scum read.
What about that makes him scummy??
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Profile Joined January 2016
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March 02 2016 17:53 GMT
#2103
On March 03 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:
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On March 03 2016 02:29 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:23 Shapelog wrote:
And me saying 2 mins is why I think Damdred was NAI off of those post is also Scum?


Poor logic is what makes that post scummy.

Can you electorate on why my logic was poor?


I see no way that he could have refreshed, read, and posted in 2 minutes yet you forward that as a defense.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 17:55 GMT
#2106
Well, time to stop tunneling shape and filter dive Dam.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
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March 02 2016 19:23 GMT
#2117
I wanted to filter dive Damdred but 5 pages in I realized I was diving ritoky...

Anyone want a ritoky read post before dam/obi? lol.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 19:40 GMT
#2126
On March 03 2016 04:36 ritoky wrote:
both people in my cell are voting for shape.....which means he likely isn't mafia....cuz then they just lose.


Can you whip together a indepth obi read? I am diving Dam but I don't have time for both.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 19:49 GMT
#2128
Screw formatting.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 20:14 GMT
#2144
On March 03 2016 05:02 Shapelog wrote:
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On March 03 2016 02:53 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:29 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:23 Shapelog wrote:
And me saying 2 mins is why I think Damdred was NAI off of those post is also Scum?


Poor logic is what makes that post scummy.

Can you electorate on why my logic was poor?


I see no way that he could have refreshed, read, and posted in 2 minutes yet you forward that as a defense.

What? Vivax was asking me what i thought of it. I said NAI because of expectantly what you just said.


And?
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 20:19 GMT
#2151
On March 03 2016 05:09 ritoky wrote:
he is talking about looking @ who are potential partners i think shape. so you can set the game up so that if you're wrong today you improve your chances the following day. i was looking into it as well, but kura casting so many irrelevant votes makes it very hard.


Switching my votes would have been just as irrelevant so disappointed you are holding them against me..
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
March 02 2016 20:24 GMT
#2156
On March 03 2016 05:17 Shapelog wrote:
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On March 03 2016 05:14 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:02 Shapelog wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:53 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:29 Kuragari42 wrote:
On March 03 2016 02:23 Shapelog wrote:
And me saying 2 mins is why I think Damdred was NAI off of those post is also Scum?


Poor logic is what makes that post scummy.

Can you electorate on why my logic was poor?


I see no way that he could have refreshed, read, and posted in 2 minutes yet you forward that as a defense.

What? Vivax was asking me what i thought of it. I said NAI because of expectantly what you just said.


And?

And what?
I was answering a question Vivax asked me. I said "it would be scummy..." But when you look at FF post 2 mins before, there is a low chance that that happen. Still possible, so NAI instead of scummy"

Do i need to speak it in dutch or something?


My brainus is in much pain from all this shaperape..

The 2 minutes thing does not make it NAI.. It leaves it barely any less scummy than it was before..
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Kuragari42
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March 02 2016 20:26 GMT
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On March 03 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote:
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On March 03 2016 05:15 Shapelog wrote:
On March 03 2016 05:10 Damdred wrote:
Idk if shape just plays dumb or not we still have to give reads especially me if my soul read is going to lynch me to force his cell to decide the game.

What? Whoever OWS votes will decided the game. If he votes me, We go to cell A. If he votes you, town wins.



why do you think OWS is lock town?


Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
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