On February 25 2016 22:57 LightningStrike wrote:Okay kur, Rels, and Shape can I have your reads please?
Sure.
(this was yesterday, btw. I am still up and about my Cell at the time. which is why Damdred and OWS is not colored.)
CELL ARit: Nothing making me think he is scum. Throughout his 5 page filter, He shows that he is willing to solve the game. And I like his 50/50 play. Town IMO.
SaltShaker: Saltshaker has really not done much, so Focusing on the stuff he has done. There are some things I do not like.
On February 23 2016 15:50 sicklucker wrote:
FF im already town reading you. You dont need to pay me 50 bucks this game. Thank you for the paypal transactions in previous game
TR on FF. But then...
On February 24 2016 06:15 sicklucker wrote:
I think I want the 50/50 used on d I cant read any of those people. C is also a good option. I think using it on are cell is a waste
He was able to TR FF, which should narrow down 2 people being scum. But yet he claims that he can't read anyone in CELL D. Maybe he thought he read was weak. But that is kinda of a stretch when he says kura voting for FF makes FF town and:
On February 25 2016 03:38 sicklucker wrote:On February 25 2016 03:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:50:50The 50:50 has been used! FecalFeast is confirmed as Town. USELESS i already knew that
Just Weird. I don't understand how he can be TR/TLing FF but yet say he can't read any of them.
Other than that, he has made some "helpful" posts (mainly Cell order.) Wish more from him though. I would like for him to explain the above. Right now he is Null (And out of POE right now, town)
Kura (The last readbender): Just so Little of Almost Anything.
On February 23 2016 22:39 Kuragari42 wrote:On February 23 2016 21:33 sicklucker wrote:
I already figured it out..
Like my cell was solved the second player 3 voted player 2 for mayor. Because player 3 SHOULD THINK theres a 1 in 2 chance for player 2 to be scum.
SO PLAYER 3 SHOULD NOT WANT PLAYER 2 TO BE MAYOR.
PLAYER 3 DOES NOT CARE BECAUSE HES SCUM.
like this is a free win we should use it
Send our cell first;
eliminate strong scum right off the bat. Not bad,
I'm more down for the D4 but I'll roll with it. On February 24 2016 01:51 Kuragari42 wrote:
Cell B should go first to spare our brains from more than one phase of shaperape.
On February 24 2016 04:08 Kuragari42 wrote:On February 24 2016 04:00 Damdred wrote:
Why B?
Shaperape.
Wants Cell A and B to go 1st. When asked about B, he replied with Shaperape (Love it by the way), and that he just wants me out. Cool, we have a person who doesn't give a fuck about who gets lynched. And he does not post any other reason but Shaperape. It is almost like he was pushing a ML.
He starts Reading FF as scum. Makes this weird bus strat post (which still makes no sense at all to me.) FF gets confirmed by 50/50. Kura goes on to question why the votes have piled on breskhe.
This seems weird to me. Like he has avoided reading Breskhe (at most he said he was Null)
On February 25 2016 11:35 Kuragari42 wrote:
Ugh. Sorry I never posted reads. I had to work on a lot of homework. Too tired now and there really isn't much that puts either of them too far past null.
Just wary of the mass votes on VA so quickly.
But he focus heavily on VA afterwards. Feels off if both are Roughly Nulls.
Then in general his posts are below underwhelming...
I feel the Kura is the scum in this one. And if Breshke flips scum, That drives the nail in the coffin. He sounds just to focus on VA, Which would make sense, as he is defending Breshke basically by not talking about him. IF Breshke flips town, I going to look heavily into SL.
CELL B:Damdred: His post on order (the one he runs for mayor.) he does not heavily talk about (might of missed it.) our cell. Ok it could just be he forgot or it was our cell and X.
+ Show Spoiler [Tinfoil thought that i disproved to my…] +On February 23 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote:
The best cells for power uses are rels cell and vaynes cell. Most information out of harder to read players.
Plus there are two cells you can't put d1/2. And vivax cell is vest d3 as he beco.es obvious town or mafia.
Do d1/3 gas to be vaynes or rels cell. And its beter for rels I think for reasons above
On February 23 2016 09:04 Damdred wrote:
I misunderstood ask the audience I thought something else.
Then yes we should use them I believe on the ff/bresh/va cell.
And vca in this setup is unreliable because of no flip. (if its like usual)
I think its more important getting an easy point early the vivax cell should be super easy if people in that cell tries. Rels can look super towny early and generally does d1.
I think ls cell is the best early cell since everyone else can be read easier later.
I think that bresh cell could be swapped for ls cell but I think a 50/50 there isn't as good as on ls cell as they have what most consider two coinflips.
This is kinda of tinfoily, but what if Damdred was pushing Cell C to go 1st because Rels would have less time to play? Eh kinda goes against Damdred opionons about Rels (Good as town in short blasts)
Still do not understand anything a bout the term "tilting"
His read progression on Breshke (this cycle) is:
On February 24 2016 08:55 Damdred wrote:
I'm here, sorry ff thought I was up first.
Ok so I had a thought Breshke did something super Toney I want thoughts on.
When he came back rit was debating when to use the 50/50. It will be 100% easier in that situation for Breshke to go 1 v 1 and either take the loss and do nothing or just try to take that person down.
However Breshke asks rit not to use it so that he can do work. This is pretty town oriented to me it forces him to do more work looking at multiple people. It forces the rest of the game to take stances on all three rather than a 50-50.
I like this thought of mine.
On February 25 2016 00:06 Damdred wrote:
I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both.
Which is town to me because the 50/50 will still be used and it will still be 1 v 1 with two people. It does force breshke to do the work before rit uses it.
As for my read on ls, I think he is town here. He might not be as talkative, but he's putting in ok work finding things (ff forgotten mafia game) so he's not as lazy mafia ls. He sounded somewhat upset me suggesting putting his cell first so he's not roll over ls to some degree. And he didn't just blindly sheep my thoughts initially on Darth.
And why I wanted him first I didn't have a read on him and the pressure+50/50 would of made him crack towards town or roll over I think.
On February 25 2016 03:48 Damdred wrote:
I don't think its anything to be scared about, there's nothing wrong with putting pressure on breshke here see if he rolls over.
If he starts spamming town rainbows we can reevaluate.
But since there's not much to go on until he does its probably best to look at next cell.
Sl what do you think ?
On February 25 2016 13:10 Damdred wrote:
I sort of have to lynch breshke here for promising to do things without actually doing them. I mean my initial thought was good I think but the total lack of anything completely negates it.
VA trying to do anything beyond his cell is also probably a town tell at this juncture.
Honestly it sorta is policy almost at this point. VA has done slightly more if even giving reads. Plus another good point someone said earlier about ignoring scum Bayne to focus on town ff. While I think there is a town reason to do it totally lacked in anything besides an I itial idea.
Anf no wonder we were confused hehe.
I can understand his read progression on breshke (Null -> Townie stuff -> Pressure vote -> scum/P). I have a bit of a prob. with him voting someone who he thought could be town, but he said it was for pressure to force the breshke out of his hole. Which I believe, Plus I've pressure voted b/4 as town, so Yeah.
On February 26 2016 00:00 Damdred wrote:
Kush is probably the biggest moron in the thread.
God dsmmit what do I have to do to get town read for the game? Obviously its not be fucking active and push things in a game. Fuck it in going back to bed.
<3. Though, do not understand how not getting town read = doing the opposite to get town read. I mean it just feels off. Idk why a townie would leave like that b/c of not getting town read.
So Damdred is solving the game, getting pissed and stuff like that. Things I find wrong are tinfoily stuff. Maybe I am being Paranoid and Damdred is really town. That last post I quoted makes me feel weird though, it does not make sense from a town preservative IMO.
OWS: The underwhelming one of the two.
Scum reads me.
Cell B
I've already discussed it, but I think shapelog is the scum in our cell.
I think I'll probably end up as the competing wagon if our cell winds up for lynch but I figured as such earlier.
If we do end up using an ability here, I think 50/50 is probably better on this cell than ask the audience. Obs isn't going to be helpful since I'm basically an engima to everyone all the time. The 50/50 has a chance of clearing me and making it way easier for everyone else, but if it doesn't then it's just going to be difficult regardless.
Blah blah blah.
On February 24 2016 04:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Our cell going last and us actually getting there would be super tense lmao.
I'm still pretty sure it's shapelog but whatever.
On February 24 2016 05:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
My cell is actually super difficult so probably put it last.
I do not understand how our cell is hard (In his pov) when both Him and damdred scum read me. Shouldn't he want to go 1st and get a point for town if he was certain? I'll admit, it is hard for me because I have 2 people who been towine and i know 1 is scum.
BUT for him at this point, he saw himself(town), Damdred (town), Shapelog(Scum). What is hard about that? nothing. You basically have figured out the cell (I your opinion) and should be pushing so.
Other than that, he has asked questions, gave some answers. Only 1 big post (WoT) and thats really it. Ik he has been busy with work, but I feel he could of done more.
If I had to pick, OBI is scum in the cell. Damdred might be scum, but Most of my grievances with him is tinfoily stuff. Thankfully I have 2 cycles before my cell is up, so I hope they become more clear as it goes on.
CELL C: I was Rushed, Will Elaborate more after I get home.
LS-LS has not made a post that has really move me. He has not made a big post really, or anything like that. He has not really posted anything like a list of reads and stuff like that.
Thus, My TR has degenerate from LS.
On February 25 2016 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up guys and I see VA and Breshke haven't posted anything -_- Rel's thinks I' m town
and Shape being Shape and ritoky tried to explain bum his meta read on VA.
Hmm. Also the fact Breshke haven't even tried much to defend himself since the 1v1 is very bad. I think I will vote Breshke for now unless something changes.##Vote: Breshke
Not a great reason to join the wagon. But W/e.
I kinda have LS in a POE situation here, his other 2 cell mates have been making big posts. V.S. LS who is very lax with his post size. I have a weak TL on him because of his overall relaxed tone (until that flip on FF. lol), but I could see him being scum.
After reading that again, I want to look at it more
RELS- I did not like his opening reads. Mostly because it was a clash of meta and content (I actually think, that in all my town games, I have actually posted a list of reads with the most being Null lol.) One sentence on a read back on his read on me does not make sense.
His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy.
I do not understand how not TR damdred is scummy. Might just be confirmation Bias though.
He is questioning people and interrogating. He is trying to solve the game, which makes want to TR him. I do, however, wish he would not use meta so hard but what ever.
Darth- I am wishy on Darth. Some posts makes me want to TR him while others I find scummy. One thing i found weird was how after the Breshke wagon got heavily he started to go after LS and kind of did so during the middle of the cycle. Maybe it is just him trying to solve his cell since it's next.
Scum for this cell is either LS/Darth. I am rushed so I can not really deep read darth's filter to detrime if he is scum trying to live or town trying to figure out things..
Cell D:
FF-Confirmed town.
VA, Refuses to give anything else. Is kinda of watching the clock too. On February 25 2016 02:07 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 02:00 darthfoley wrote:
No, i'm aggressively going after shitty town reads from a guy in MY cell who could easily be scum, but go ahead and keep misrepresenting me
why would I need to misrepresent you,
im outta the game before your even up for lynch and my alignment will be known so it doesnt matter what I say about you. Lynching breshke is a formality at this point unless the 50/50 says otherwise so it would be nice if ritoky would come back and do his job
His reads aren't good either:
On February 26 2016 01:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Aight, at this point:
Use ask the audience on the next cell. I have lost any semblence of a read on this clownfiesta ever since LS' fake rage. It could be any of the 3 honestly. See what people think about Rels' play this game and LS. Darthfoley should be readable on content alone, he has some things that are both strange and town mindset.
Next cell is most likely vivax or bum, if its kush wp those random ass graphs and other weird shit hes done this game really worked, i dont see him being mafia. Vivax will slow down probably if hes scum? gets bored so that might be a clearer cell by then.
next 2 I think are obi and SL. zero reasons just feels. SL slightly less abrasive this game and playing referee, and I always think obi is scum so it doesnt really matter. I guess that one is more POE from that cell.
Next cell: Null
3rd Cell (E): Vivax/bum. With a "watch and see" on Vivax
4th and 5th: Obi and SL off of feels. No content to go off of.
I mean this guy just does not seem to care about the later part of the game (neither is FF but w/e). This is the only lynch we will know for SURE who is who (well i guess sucessful lynchs means you know who scum is.)
Breshke, has posted stuff, but now peaced. Said that VA was scum, but did a 180 the next post by going into his TR FF. Has not come back... Just really a whole host of probs. ([spoiler]On February 25 2016 00:27 Shapelog wrote:I do not like this post.
Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote:Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be.
Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them.I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever.
I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different.@VA
On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?
I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse
i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake".
kush feels town for now
darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game.
SL was underwhelming on his entrance.
VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it
you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game
but dont worry ill solve the game right now
SL
Obi
Rels
breshke
vivax
badabing
I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list.
So he has not reason to scum read anyone, but yet then scums VA. That in itself is a bit weird. But then says he is going to filter VA.
Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 08:37 Breshke wrote:
erm FF wanna be a mate and tell me which were your scumgames. I forgot database wouldnt have em.
180 from Filter diving VA. This was right after he posted saying he was going to filter dive VA.
It is strange that he does not follow up on his scum read and instead go after some who he think is town. If he thinks that FF is town, and if he is town, then he should be focusing hard on VA. But he does isn't
Breshke is Scum! and I am sorry to FF for calling him scum
[/spoiler])
Scum for this cell is prob. Breshke. But it literary is a shit fight between VA and Breshke. At least VA is here Vs. Breshke. I am trusting my gut, with my early Tl on VA. Plus, I can not forgive that 180 turn.
CELL E:
Kush: Something that make me feel really good if breshke filps scum.
On February 24 2016 00:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:kura
ows
rels
breshke
bum
This is from D1, and is his 1st brag list. Idk Scum!Kush would put his team mate Scum!Breshke under the bus (especially when a juciy FF was there.) Also has pushed Breshke hard.
But enough of pre-associate reads (I done that enough this list.)
Overall I think he is town due to his posts. The only one I have Grievance with is:
On February 25 2016 22:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:@shape, I'm really happy that I'll never have to read you this game
I guess if I had a gun to my head and I had to pick out the scum from your cell I'd say damdred but that's not based on any study.
I Still do not understand why he does not have to read me this game, especially when he has played in all my games and his cell going b/4 me.
I think his read on me is POE?
On February 25 2016 23:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
2 Damdred is scum because shape and ows look town? Very little confidence in that read though.
I wish he would explain why we look town though. And what about damdred reeks scum.
Vivax: Read progression is something that strikes me when I look at his filter (In a good way) He TR kush and then, by POE, scum reads bum. Stuff happens, and then he starts questioning his TR on kush:
On February 24 2016 05:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 05:56 ritoky wrote:
vivax, if you could pick the ideal spot for your cell to go, which would it be?
Second cause it seems like an easy group and it gives me some more time to solve the game, im already tinfoiling about my kush tr cause of some stuff hes been asking that was bad/pointless/uninformed.
On February 24 2016 05:59 Vivax wrote:
But since bum is so underwhelming and didn't give two shits I picked him out as the mafia already its a pretty weak tinfoil.
I like that. Scum!Vivax could of just keep pushing Bum. There is no point for him to put himself in danger and weaking himself like that. That is like the ideal spot for scum and he went against it. Also he wants to solve the game.
Bummy: Wanted his cell to go 4th, which seemed scummy to me. Why would someone want to to go last with a easier cell is beyond my level of understanding. Never explains it though.
He makes 2 reads (VA and Breshke) and sort of defends Breshke (not heavily though. Kinda of like leaving outs and stuff like that). Idk why he put a link to a VA post from a game in a read on Breshke.
I do not agree with Him about LS being scummy about forcing a confirm townie to RQ. Comes in at a weird time were people are questioning LS alignment too.
Scum for this one: Bum (POE)
TLDR:
-WoT's are hard to write when you are town.
-Scum are IMO Kura, OWS, darth/LS , Breshke ,Bum
After filterdiving here is a new chart: