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My reads:
VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads
FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town.
Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go.
Will vote Breshke for now.
DF => useless
LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him.
Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative
kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on.
bum => useless.
OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP.
Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game.
Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group.
ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that.
SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes.
kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL.
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On February 24 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote:
Kush, I should Know a bit of VA's scum play from Co-hosting that game. But I have a Question.
Typically, scum backs up their scum reads right? I mean it only makes sense as scum because you know that everyone not on your team is town. So you can easily pull something and call someone scum because of it.
MY question is, generally, does VA do that as scum or no? I can totally understand where you are coming from about him adapting. I just want now a bit of background on VA.
Dunno what you are looking for for you breshke question exactly.
For this question: As town vayne often rattles off reads without much explanation d1. In his last scumgame, he didn't do that. He was more cautious about his reads. He got called out on it and lynched.
So basically I'm saying, I don't give him a lot of credit for not following an easy to fix scum meta that was pointed out to him last game.
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You do realize that post came in at roughly 12 hours into the game; and I used it as a stepping stone for more reads right? everything else you find wrong with me is ok. I did not want the 50/50 mainly because it would be easy picks in the case Damdred is scum.
I am going to look into your other reads in a bit.
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On February 24 2016 22:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote:
Kush, I should Know a bit of VA's scum play from Co-hosting that game. But I have a Question.
Typically, scum backs up their scum reads right? I mean it only makes sense as scum because you know that everyone not on your team is town. So you can easily pull something and call someone scum because of it.
MY question is, generally, does VA do that as scum or no? I can totally understand where you are coming from about him adapting. I just want now a bit of background on VA. Dunno what you are looking for for you breshke question exactly. For this question: As town vayne often rattles off reads without much explanation d1. In his last scumgame, he didn't do that. He was more cautious about his reads. He got called out on it and lynched. So basically I'm saying, I don't give him a lot of credit for not following an easy to fix scum meta that was pointed out to him last game.
You have scum read him this entire game. Just was wondering if you had any other reasons at any other times.
So Va has have a history of doing that. But I agree with you about it is a easy fix for scum.
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On February 24 2016 23:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 22:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 24 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote:
Kush, I should Know a bit of VA's scum play from Co-hosting that game. But I have a Question.
Typically, scum backs up their scum reads right? I mean it only makes sense as scum because you know that everyone not on your team is town. So you can easily pull something and call someone scum because of it.
MY question is, generally, does VA do that as scum or no? I can totally understand where you are coming from about him adapting. I just want now a bit of background on VA. Dunno what you are looking for for you breshke question exactly. For this question: As town vayne often rattles off reads without much explanation d1. In his last scumgame, he didn't do that. He was more cautious about his reads. He got called out on it and lynched. So basically I'm saying, I don't give him a lot of credit for not following an easy to fix scum meta that was pointed out to him last game. You have scum read him this entire game. Just was wondering if you had any other reasons at any other times. So Va has have a history of doing that. But I agree with you about it is a easy fix for scum.
not looking townie is pretty much my only reason
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On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group.
Umm there are town reads (More of leans) in that post.
MY MAN KUSH! I have played many of town games with Kush (I actually think, that all my games, Nut, Newbies 1&2, etc.) I have played with him. So Kush should know me very well. On the other hand, I have never played with scum Kush. So idk what to look at him for.
His involvement + his attitude makes me want to TL him.
VA: Scum reads! Scum reads everywhere!
Wow, this guy is very aggressive. He really has not stated why he is scum reading people. But that actually makes me feel like he might be town. I feel personally that scum would feel the need to explain their scum reads.
His attention is weirdly focused on My cell (B) and his Cell (D).
And for scum reads
FF: Happy to be "Town", which IIRC, Kush stated that he would have a scum burnout. That prob. filters into that post a bit tbh. Then reinstates it which feels weird. Another thing that stands out: Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
vivax and breshke mafia Deng ninja'd by my cellmate He does not seem to care about why Breshke is being scum read by his other cell mate VA. I find it strange that FF, knowing if he is town that 1 or the other is scum, does not care about why they scum read each other. It just feels like FF didn't care. I feel out the 3, right now if i had to pick, I say FF is scum. Does not make sense IMO, that he would not care about his other cell mates (while being town) scum reading each other. Especially since he would know that 1 of them had to be scum.
SO while most of what you say is true. It is not true that I did not have ANY Town reads.
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Also @Rels.
Can you please explain more about you read on OWS? Sexy I get, Aggressive I do not.
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Hell Rels also explain a bit more about darth too. I agree that he has not been as useful as I remember. But saying he is totally useless Is a bit of a stretch.
On February 23 2016 23:23 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 20:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote:I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote:On February 23 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Of course order needs to be reevaluated closer to EoD depending on how people look so far.
I am kind of in agreement with ritoky's order, but more active people should be put first. D might be better to save just because those are all low content players, so deciding early on them might be hard. im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response On February 23 2016 08:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Inactive people in early cells is bad because there's not a lot of content to go off of While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? You seem to admit that there are pros and cons to it. What makes one benefit definitively better than the other? Why does it make me scum for valuing one over the other? I never said one was definitely better than the other, but I don't think I really mentioned any pros to your strategy, which is why I questioned you in the first place. Unless you consider kicking the can down the road to be a pro. I do however think that gambling that inactive/afk people early game are going to get helpful and active later in the game-- especially if their inactivity is what got their cells placed later-- is just that: a gamble. With active players (e.g. cells A and B) isn't it a safer play to leave them in the game longer simply because their activity will allow them to be town read/scum read easier and because they'll create good town discussion?
From what I've thought about your strategy, it just seems like it would benefit mafia more than town to not have that many strong towns/active towns late game and rely on low activity players to win the game for town. Am I missing something?
On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote:Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh so I'm in a cell with breshke.
All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor?
Mostly setup talk so far actually so it's not enough to call him scum but I don't particularly like anything he's posted so far Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them?
Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote:
Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells?
Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Of course order needs to be reevaluated closer to EoD depending on how people look so far.
I am kind of in agreement with ritoky's order, but more active people should be put first. D might be better to save just because those are all low content players, so deciding early on them might be hard. im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up
He Might not really be pushing much. But he does care about things and voicing his Opinions.
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I'll be following along at work but don't expect posts until later.
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On February 24 2016 23:23 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. Umm there are town reads (More of leans) in that post. Show nested quote +
MY MAN KUSH! I have played many of town games with Kush (I actually think, that all my games, Nut, Newbies 1&2, etc.) I have played with him. So Kush should know me very well. On the other hand, I have never played with scum Kush. So idk what to look at him for.
His involvement + his attitude makes me want to TL him.
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VA: Scum reads! Scum reads everywhere!
Wow, this guy is very aggressive. He really has not stated why he is scum reading people. But that actually makes me feel like he might be town. I feel personally that scum would feel the need to explain their scum reads.
His attention is weirdly focused on My cell (B) and his Cell (D).
And for scum reads Show nested quote +FF: Happy to be "Town", which IIRC, Kush stated that he would have a scum burnout. That prob. filters into that post a bit tbh. Then reinstates it which feels weird. Another thing that stands out: On February 23 2016 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
vivax and breshke mafia Deng ninja'd by my cellmate He does not seem to care about why Breshke is being scum read by his other cell mate VA. I find it strange that FF, knowing if he is town that 1 or the other is scum, does not care about why they scum read each other. It just feels like FF didn't care. I feel out the 3, right now if i had to pick, I say FF is scum. Does not make sense IMO, that he would not care about his other cell mates (while being town) scum reading each other. Especially since he would know that 1 of them had to be scum. SO while most of what you say is true. It is not true that I did not have ANY Town reads.
Those townreads are weak. Like for kush, he didn't see his scum game so he cannot be sure. For VA, here is a thing that is weird BUT for shape might mean VA is town.
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On February 24 2016 23:28 Shapelog wrote:
Also @Rels.
Can you please explain more about you read on OWS? Sexy I get, Aggressive I do not.
OK reading his filter it was much less aggresive than I thought. I liked his posts though, especially his huge read post.
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On February 24 2016 23:39 Shapelog wrote:Hell Rels also explain a bit more about darth too. I agree that he has not been as useful as I remember. But saying he is totally useless Is a bit of a stretch. Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 23:23 darthfoley wrote:On February 23 2016 20:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote:I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote:On February 23 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Of course order needs to be reevaluated closer to EoD depending on how people look so far.
I am kind of in agreement with ritoky's order, but more active people should be put first. D might be better to save just because those are all low content players, so deciding early on them might be hard. im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response On February 23 2016 08:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Inactive people in early cells is bad because there's not a lot of content to go off of While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? You seem to admit that there are pros and cons to it. What makes one benefit definitively better than the other? Why does it make me scum for valuing one over the other? I never said one was definitely better than the other, but I don't think I really mentioned any pros to your strategy, which is why I questioned you in the first place. Unless you consider kicking the can down the road to be a pro. I do however think that gambling that inactive/afk people early game are going to get helpful and active later in the game-- especially if their inactivity is what got their cells placed later-- is just that: a gamble. With active players (e.g. cells A and B) isn't it a safer play to leave them in the game longer simply because their activity will allow them to be town read/scum read easier and because they'll create good town discussion?
From what I've thought about your strategy, it just seems like it would benefit mafia more than town to not have that many strong towns/active towns late game and rely on low activity players to win the game for town. Am I missing something? Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote:Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. On February 23 2016 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh so I'm in a cell with breshke.
All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor?
Mostly setup talk so far actually so it's not enough to call him scum but I don't particularly like anything he's posted so far Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them?
Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote:
Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells?
Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Of course order needs to be reevaluated closer to EoD depending on how people look so far.
I am kind of in agreement with ritoky's order, but more active people should be put first. D might be better to save just because those are all low content players, so deciding early on them might be hard. im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up He Might not really be pushing much. But he does care about things and voicing his Opinions.
First post is useless. It's setup talk that do not really matter.
Second post is kinda useless. He's scumreading VA slightly for something that might not be AI in his own words.
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I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both.
Which is town to me because the 50/50 will still be used and it will still be 1 v 1 with two people. It does force breshke to do the work before rit uses it.
As for my read on ls, I think he is town here. He might not be as talkative, but he's putting in ok work finding things (ff forgotten mafia game) so he's not as lazy mafia ls. He sounded somewhat upset me suggesting putting his cell first so he's not roll over ls to some degree. And he didn't just blindly sheep my thoughts initially on Darth.
And why I wanted him first I didn't have a read on him and the pressure+50/50 would of made him crack towards town or roll over I think.
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Actually I don't understand this post at all.
On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote:Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh so I'm in a cell with breshke.
All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor?
Mostly setup talk so far actually so it's not enough to call him scum but I don't particularly like anything he's posted so far Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them?
Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote:
Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells?
Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 08:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Of course order needs to be reevaluated closer to EoD depending on how people look so far.
I am kind of in agreement with ritoky's order, but more active people should be put first. D might be better to save just because those are all low content players, so deciding early on them might be hard. im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up
About FF, since "Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless" and his only relevant post (about Breshke) are bad, FF HAS to be scum right ? Yet he seems super unsure about that fact.
I don't undersatnd the VA scumread. If the scumread was only:
VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning
then OK, I would get it. But that shit is overexplained with stuff that is apparently "not alignment indicative yet".
To me, it looks like DF is scum with Breshke, got shit on both FF and VA, and is waiting to see on which the 50/50 is going to fall.
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On February 25 2016 00:06 Damdred wrote:
I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both.
Oh. That might be good actually.
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He still didn't post relevant stuff unless being up for lynch though. His N0 posts are useless. His posts start of D1 are OK.
Mm actually it's weird that he is looking through FF's past scum games to check the difference, and not VA who is more likely scum in his mind.
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On February 23 2016 09:26 darthfoley wrote:
Cell D: I've played a couple games with VA and I think I have a basic read on his play. He's one of the few people I feel "comfortable" reading (see Unoriginal + Star Wars games). Never played with FF or Breshke, so i'll keep an eye on them but meh for right now. I would rate this a harder cell..
Funny that Darth had this written down but yet never explain his basic read on VA, or have yet use it.
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I will work on posting a reads list when I get enough time in one sitting. At this point FF strikes me as the most scummy, VA as the least.
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iim just waiting for ritoky to 50/50 this thing I dont feel like analyzing this shit if i have a 33% of being removed from the game immediately
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