EPTWho's the one taunting who? Your entire post I quoted was empty threats.
Then more insults when called out for it.
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
Who's the one taunting who? Your entire post I quoted was empty threats. Then more insults when called out for it. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 18 2016 13:47 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, what? You changed your GlowingBear read? Don't get this wrong, you know I'll actually listen to you this time... Also, I didn't change my read on Tumblewood based on the pictures. Why do GlowingBear and Tumblewood being town make you think that scott31337 is town? I don't get it. lol >< like anyone ever listens to me on GB...although tbf i talk myself out of the right reads on him so maybe that's sometimes okay eh this just reminds me of drams a bit and even though his lackluster posting made me fine with lynching him (on top of being absent) he became more reactive at EoD which is what i associate with his townplay more + trolling lol >< nh, regarding scott...it's hard to explain really but i'll try like if he's scum we should see scum either bussing him for the cred, piling on palmar or at the very least resisting lynching him. GB and tumble both fall into that piling on palmar or resisting lynching him cat...like he flips scum the association is strong there but i'm fairly secure in my shape and eden townreads and the scott wagon looks pretty pristine disregarding sl if i'm right on tumble it doesn't make a lot of sense that scum is both bussing and voting palmar a vote spread with my possible scum all over the place suggests to me that both are town or scum is really disorganized, which i suppose is possible with a mostly afk scum team, but given how the game state i kinda doubt that | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 18 2016 14:21 Eden1892 wrote: Hate this response. We should have lynched this guy instead. Note that this explanation doesn't actually respond to the criticism I made. He basically says that the reason he wrote in his reads list that Tictock was doing townie things but was still a net scum lean was because he was writing the read as he read through the filter, and when he got to the end he had decided Tictock was a scumlean. But if you got to the end and decided he was a scumlean, why didn't you go back and justify that scumlean against the evidence you cited of him possibly being town? If someone starts off reading source material about a subject and believes A, but realizes as they're reading more of the material that they actually believe not-A, then they surely would be interested in resolving the discrepancy between their initial belief in A and their current belief in not-A. If I start off reading a philosophical work believing God as a material entity doesn't exist due to XYZ reasons, and I finish reading the work and conclude God does exist for ABC reasons, I would need to find an explanation for why XYZ aren't valid reasons not to believe in God. Shining does not appear to explore this line of inquiry at all let alone explain it to us. This lack of curiosity makes me inclined to believe that he doesn't actually care what Tictock's alignment is and just needed to cover the facts of what Tictock did and come to some conclusion that sounded like it made sense -- in other words, a read coming from mafia. That Shining gets combative and asserts a false dilemma at the end (you can either contradict yourself or give a read without explanation -- you cannot simply give a unified scum read of a person that explains away facets of someone's behavior which is townie to you) seals the deal for me. He is unreasonably antagonistic and irritable when questioned for his lack of thoroughness, when I would expect a townie posed with this criticism to review Tictock again and decide definitively how he feels about Tictock. Hate this response. We should force this guy to make posts that are actually readable and fully relevant to the game. I can see there is going to be absolutely no talking sensibly to you and drawing this out is only going to get me TL banned because I've already got a warning from dealing with irrational and bad "vets" like you, so do with this post what you will and try and get me lynched, do w.e the hell you want. You're either terrible or scum and neither bodes well for town with these mass posts that really make only make one to two relevant points. You're just shitting up the thread. You devoted an entire paragraph to shit that has nothing to do with the game. "Let's throw in random letters, numbers and God to make this post nice and big and cool looking to reiterate the exact same thing I said before and after this fluffy paragraph." Besides that, you're picking on ONE POINT that absolutely doesn't make me scum. You say I don't "justify the scumlean vs the evidence I provided of him being town" while I was reading through everyone's filter in the game. I very clearly gave reasons for why he could be town and started out as a townread but as I got to the end of his filter, the ZERO scumreads raised a red flag. The "evidence I cited for him being town" became evidence of being possibly scummy because, as I pointed out, scum are much more easily capable of handing out easy townreads like he did. Like, what I LITERALLY did is LITERALLY what you're saying I didn't do. Wtf? You also obviously didn't catch the sarcasm in what you called "a false dilemma" that I assert. And what's cute is you've never played with me before, from what I can remember. Combative? Antagonistic? Irritable? Thanks for naming some of the top 3 towntells for me, it is much appreciated. You have this narrative and expectation of what a town is supposed to do in reaction to you and how I didn't do that but you have no basis for knowing what my reaction is supposed to be like as town. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 18 2016 14:22 Eden1892 wrote: Who's the one taunting who? Your entire post I quoted was empty threats. Then more insults when called out for it. Seriously? I pointed out that you haven't done what you said you were going to do(which you still haven't done) and pointed out something odd I found in your filter that was literally one post apart. Things that make me view you less as strong town and more as opportunistic and possible scum. These are not empty threats. They are comments on your gameplay. But instead of explaining them or trying to act rational, you get combative and sarcastic and antagonistic. Something that you say is scum indicative of me, but I'm supposed to believe it's townie when coming from you?. And please point out where these "insults" are. I've been very careful this game to not be my usual firebrand self for fear of a TL Ban after my warning last game. Saying I insulted you up to this point is false and a discredit to me. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On February 18 2016 14:36 rsoultin wrote: lol >< like anyone ever listens to me on GB...although tbf i talk myself out of the right reads on him so maybe that's sometimes okay eh this just reminds me of drams a bit and even though his lackluster posting made me fine with lynching him (on top of being absent) he became more reactive at EoD which is what i associate with his townplay more + trolling lol >< nh, regarding scott...it's hard to explain really but i'll try like if he's scum we should see scum either bussing him for the cred, piling on palmar or at the very least resisting lynching him. GB and tumble both fall into that piling on palmar or resisting lynching him cat...like he flips scum the association is strong there but i'm fairly secure in my shape and eden townreads and the scott wagon looks pretty pristine disregarding sl if i'm right on tumble it doesn't make a lot of sense that scum is both bussing and voting palmar So he doesn't like how trefel just settles on a lynch saying there is a bunch of valid options but he isnt a vote spread with my possible scum all over the place suggests to me that both are town or scum is really disorganized, which i suppose is possible with a mostly afk scum team, but given how the game state i kinda doubt that I think the bolded is a bit messed up? I agree with the essence of this post that the way EoD went down makes me feel that scott is probably town but thats also because I have a hankering that SL is scum but won't be discussing that until tomorrow I also still really have a problem with these posts. On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote: I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar SO the first quote he scums trefel for settling on a lynch claiming there are other valid options yet he isnt voting or pushing anyone at the time. Then the next two quotes make no sense together as there is no explanation in between the two to explain why palmar suddenly became the better lynch. He basically did what he accused trefel of doing but in my opinion in a far scummier way. ALSO there is this He says that shining getting shape to claim is pro mafia because it gives them information WHEN HE ASKED HIM TO CLAIM ASWELL. On February 18 2016 04:42 Tumblewood wrote: Claim now | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I think there is one salient point in there I'll try to address without the things around it... I very clearly gave reasons for why he could be town and started out as a townread but as I got to the end of his filter, the ZERO scumreads raised a red flag. The "evidence I cited for him being town" became evidence of being possibly scummy because, as I pointed out, scum are much more easily capable of handing out easy townreads like he did. Like, what I LITERALLY did is LITERALLY what you're saying I didn't do. Wtf? The way I read the initial reads post, this: His early posts were short but the tone seemed pretty relaxed from the jokes with Shapelog, while also mixing some good posts, mainly the one about Trfel and his TR on him. I'm still working on my Trfel read due to how he's treating me, but I will say I really liked TT's Eden read and see pretty much what he sees. His GB read seemed pretty accurate, too, I've also played with a lackadaiscal, non-caring GB town multiple times before which has ended in GB being prime lynchbait. I could probably see where he's coming from, though I wish GB would actually play. looked like Shining was saying Tictock was townie for making these points about these reads. I guess if he's saying that Tictock is a little more likely to give these reads as mafia, you can still say all this, but when I'm reading it the conclusion I'm being led to is "Tictock is town." Maybe I should have asked first -- since you conclude that Tictock leans scum (and thus was just handing out these townreads to get town credit or be active or whatever have you), why do you think that explanation is more likely than the one where Tictock is town, identifies some other townies early but just doesn't have a good scumread at that point in time? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Also Breshke ftw on that last bit of his last post, I didn't catch that. That's pretty hypocritical of Tumble. And that post about Palmar being a reasonable lynch. I still don't know how he went from bad lynch to reasonable lynch after Palmar did pretty much nothing in between the posts. | ||
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Trfel
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 Anyway, ignoring feelings of paranoia.... I thought of something else about Scott. On phone, about to sleep but here goes. If I remember this wrong then this argument is invalid Scott came back and said wagons town vs town, and said that scum is going to lynch him next However, if it's town vs town, the first thing I would blame is town for being bad and making it town vs town. It's generally town vs scum when scum is actually making the ml happen Thks makes sxotts post seem a bit faked Scott being scum doesn't make tko much sense wktb a few of my other trs like rsoultin is saying so I'm not sure which one is right | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 18 2016 15:11 Eden1892 wrote: I'm going to do my best to ignore the parts that were unreasonable, but you need to cut this attitude out, because it's completely uncalled for. I think there is one salient point in there I'll try to address without the things around it... The way I read the initial reads post, this: looked like Shining was saying Tictock was townie for making these points about these reads. I guess if he's saying that Tictock is a little more likely to give these reads as mafia, you can still say all this, but when I'm reading it the conclusion I'm being led to is "Tictock is town." Maybe I should have asked first -- since you conclude that Tictock leans scum (and thus was just handing out these townreads to get town credit or be active or whatever have you), why do you think that explanation is more likely than the one where Tictock is town, identifies some other townies early but just doesn't have a good scumread at that point in time? You got sarcastic with me, as well, but then tell me to cut the attitude out? Kays, I will try my best. At least this post is pretty straightforward. I also explained the answer to that question, to a small degree. I came off of what was imo a great town game by TT in which we were both in Final 4 and we both had the last scum figured out. He also scumread/nailed quite a few of scum in that game. He may have scummed them all at one point. He was also very confident in that game. The lack of confidence in giving any sort of scumread to anyone while giving out townreads in this game didn't line up with that game and with it being so recent, I assumed that confidence would still be evident in his playstyle. Zero scumreads is not what I was expecting from the town TT I know. And, in the interest of fairness, that read was originally supposed to lead to Tictock is town until I finished his filter and realized I had no idea who TT thought was scum or wanted to lynch. I just didn't bother re-reading or addressing the post because I didn't feel I had anything to hide. I thought it was easily summed up in "the lack of scumreads makes it possible that these were just ez town reads that scum could make." | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 18 2016 12:14 nooniansoong wrote: Probably Scott. I'm a believer in shooting inactive people. This is pretty scummy tbh. Kush, can you explain your other reads? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 18 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote: One Sentence Reads Tictock is town because overall, his play seems involved and has a definite direction, despite a weaker End of Day. Tumblewood is town because his posting style is much more carefree and conversational than his mafia game, and because he's putting in a lot of effort, as shown by his written notes. Breshke is town because he didn't kill Palmar, despite Palmar having a strong suspicion of him, and he's been sharing sensible thoughts. Nooniansoong is maybe mafia because of his lack of caring about the lynch (being willing to lynch Palmar while townreading him), and his GlowingBear read doesn't feel genuine. The Shining is maybe mafia because he can't possibly think that Tumblewood is mafia after those pictures that Tumblewood posted. Eden1892 is town because he got angry early on in a really towny way. Rsoultin is town because she didn't lynch Palmar, despite having plenty of justification to do so, and for a relatively large post count, despite saying she'd be lazy. Any comments are more than welcome. I'm fairly confident in the town reads, not so confident on the scum reads, largely no opinion on people not on the list. Setting Aside that I love this idea. Also GB's light-saber pic is making me giggle. I don't use that term lightly... | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:17 Shapelog wrote: Also for TT, Here are his (tumble) 1st few posts: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix?user=Tumblewood - his, 2 page filter 1st few posts, On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote: Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog My reasoning on Shapelog: Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: and In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote: I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote: I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post. First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread. PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that. Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped) The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me. Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense. Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read. MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then. And everyone else I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending. JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours. Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two. Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of. TL;DR I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players. Very different approach then from here. Ok wow that is a big difference... actually huge. But...If Tumble was scum in both games, do you think he would play the same way? Given how EoD went, the notes, etc... what is your current read on Tumble? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:57 sicklucker wrote: I made all these posts and people are probably still trying to lynch me. I expect to return to the thread later dead one way or the other. gl with that I have no time today Eeew, I hate this. SL you need to actually contribute if you are town, this is a pile of garage. I guess you did come back for EoD but you'd do that as either alignment. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 18 2016 00:49 rsoultin wrote: ticktock, i find your read on me very confusing in your world being pretty open and sharing thoughts is null? and why are you using so many of my points/reads/thoughts to clarify your read on sl if you think i'm null? -_- Uhh if I remember this right I said I find you very hard to read and so don't have a real opinion. Your activity is nice, but it's not really indicative imo. I guess I actually agreed with SL, I just didn't understand the way he phrased it. You could be either town or mafia, but you'll at least give us plenty to read you on. I'm not sure what points of yours I was using... if I stole them you can have them back... | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia  He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever I think I pointed this post out earlier when I was skimming, but this is really wierd. Trfel can you explain to me what you were thinking behind this vote on Shape? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On February 18 2016 15:25 The Shining wrote: You got sarcastic with me, as well, but then tell me to cut the attitude out? Kays, I will try my best. At least this post is pretty straightforward. I also explained the answer to that question, to a small degree. I came off of what was imo a great town game by TT in which we were both in Final 4 and we both had the last scum figured out. He also scumread/nailed quite a few of scum in that game. He may have scummed them all at one point. He was also very confident in that game. The lack of confidence in giving any sort of scumread to anyone while giving out townreads in this game didn't line up with that game and with it being so recent, I assumed that confidence would still be evident in his playstyle. Zero scumreads is not what I was expecting from the town TT I know. And, in the interest of fairness, that read was originally supposed to lead to Tictock is town until I finished his filter and realized I had no idea who TT thought was scum or wanted to lynch. I just didn't bother re-reading or addressing the post because I didn't feel I had anything to hide. I thought it was easily summed up in "the lack of scumreads makes it possible that these were just ez town reads that scum could make." This is a much more thorough and insightful read -- really useful elaboration. Thanks for that. Aside from me, and I suppose Tictock? (we're discussing a read you made yesterday, I'm open to any change you may have made in light of updated info, so if you don't suspect him anymore I can buy that), who do you suspect and why? I'm coming around a bit but would like to see more explanations like the ones above to be sure. Thanks in advance. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 18 2016 06:23 Breshke wrote: do you think scott is scum then? Cos if scott is town then wouldnt mafia not care who they voted and just vote wherever Town v Town is the most likely explanation for a chaotic EoD like that. Mafia prob doesn't care and is all over the place. Off wagon votes are more likely to be mafia, but there is almost always 1 on the main wagons. There is of course room for... + Show Spoiler [TINFOIL!] + Caution: Tinfoil Alert! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CMgPRC4.jpg) If Scott was AFK mafia, who replaced into a slot that had done nothing already, would his team maybe try to buss him for some easy cred? I'd need to read all the pages I skipped over earlier but the way EoD went from the vote counts was a wagon was building up on Shape, he claims blue, the wagon fractures off into Palmar v Scott and a little bit all over tbh. If Shape is town (and actually even if he is mafia fake claiming to get votes off him) then mafia were probably scrambling to push a solid mislynch after that wagon broke down. Ok yea I can't actually do more till I read how things went down... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r3POkwV.jpg) So here is how the Shape wagon piled up. On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ i resent that, scott shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@ bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall Tonal read Rsoul has been pushing most of the game, seems legit. - On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever Trfel also later added this: Second, his Tumblewood is one of the reasons that he is mafia. I feel that the correct read on Tumblewood is clearly town because of post length. You look at his mafia game, and he provided fairly long posts. This game, his posts are short and conversational, more directly involved. This is a very distinct playstyle change, and gives a near 100% townread. I'm extremely confident in it. Shapelog said this, but wasn't very confident in it, and then switched this to a scum lean / could lynch because he completely misinterpreted Tumblewood's post, while sharing exactly the same problem (a bit lost with regards to reads) as Tumblewood did, that he was picking on in the first place. In addition, rsoultin feels that Shapelog's happiness is faked. And Shapelog is defending himself differently at different times. He went from "I can't be lynched Day 1, I have a streak of endgames going and I don't want to be mislynched on Day 1" to "if I get mislynched today, it's all my fault". This is still off to me, even with the backup explanation. This strong of a TR on Tumble based off meta Shape provided is really weird. If shape is mafia trying to setup a ML on Tumble, why would he bring up the discrepancy in Tumbles posting between the two games? - On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote: um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? On February 18 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##Unvote ##vote shapelog So you vote Shape for a joke? This is a hop on vote if I've ever seen one. A Convenient Vote Count Appears! Shapelog (3): rsoultin, Trfel, nooniansoong Sicklucker(2): Ticktock, GlowingBear(1): Palmar (1): scott31337 (1): The Shining (1): Eden1892, Breshke(1): Palmar Trfel (1): Shapelog Eden1892 (0): Not Voting (3): Tumblewood, Breshke, The Shining Kush's vote put Shape in the lead, but this vote is still anyone's guess. Look at all those solo voters! Given the state of the game here I also find Shapes defeated attitude odd, and Shining made a good point about this quote being really off. On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote: *Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/ Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town. I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use. Bonus Ironic post from SL: On February 18 2016 03:57 sicklucker wrote: anyway im in my favorite spot in mafia. where i know mafias pushing me and i just have to weed them out of the lolz towns. too bad i havent slept in 20 hours 2 People voting him, he has to "weed out" the mafia >.< Bre's vote on Shape looks pretty good to me. On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote: last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote Shapelog Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption? Shape's posts over the few pages he is talking about definitely warrants a read like this. I suppose this could come from Scum as well, but I think it's pretty likely town!Bre picking up on the same stuff Shining pointed out and I'm seeing as well. - This vote feels a little delayed... prob not a great way of putting it On February 18 2016 04:21 Tumblewood wrote: ##Vote: Shapelog On February 18 2016 03:19 Tumblewood wrote: I am seeing a lot of NSM XIX in Shape: lots of spam without lots of scumhunting, and lots of acting trolly. Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. - After this is when Shape claims blue. It seems like a legit claim to me, his reluctance to claim and the way he kinda doubts it being good afterword make me think it's good. It kinda reminds me of how I felt claiming GS in outlaw. I like Bre's reactions to the claim, he seems to be taking the new info in stride and doesn't jump onto something new right away. On February 18 2016 04:59 Breshke wrote: also he literally just said he didnt want to work out shape because he was an enigma, shape then claims blue and now he says he will risk it. Sl did claim blue also though - Ok I'm both getting tired and this turned into half me tinfoiling and half me catching up with stuff I didn't read or skimmed earlier. Kush was really quick to jump from Shape onto GB, most other people just unvoted. This is also a pretty weak fallback On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game. Maybe just lynch him? But this is even more interesting. On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Tumble had made this post earlier: On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote: No one's acting definitively scummy, so I'm going to POE this vote. The 'Do Not Lynch' List Eden, for putting a lot of effort into finding scum and moving the day along productively. Trfel, for similar reasons. Also, I stand by that mafia would not have gotten into an argument like that earlier in the game. Tictock, for making clear and useful points. The 'Bad Lynch' List Rsoul, for helping in a trolly manner. Palmar, for being overconfident and having huge changes of heart. Kush, but I don't know why. Breshke, for making clear and insightful points, though sparse. The 'Wait And See' List GB, Scott, and The Shining for showing up late. That leaves us SL and... other SL. I keep seeing things in sick's play that are scummy, but then you all assure me that those are just normal things for him. Sick's defense amounts to "don't lynch me because that's a bad idea / I'm an easy townread." Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. His main scumread is no longer a valid lynch, and now he's questioning his TR on Trfel for wanting to lynch someone he has no read on? Then Tumble ends up lynching Palmar, a "Bad Lynch" over Scott. On the one hand I agree that Palmar was the better lynch between the two, I checked both their filters before I voted Palmar and scott was easily the better looking filter. On the other that doesn't line up with the reads Tumble was putting out before EoD. In fact I'm kinda thinking the reads post I quoted above was mostly to justify the vote on Shape. Which was the read he put the most effort into explaining, yet it's also based on the same meta based reasoning he admonished Shape for using on him. When the Shape wagon fell apart Tumble didn't push his other scum read SL but instead held back expands his lynch options On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. and ends up voting in a way that could very well be trying to protect scott. Conclusions: Breshke is town, idk what Palmar was on about. Tumble is probably mafia, read progressions suggest an agenda because his main reads/poe list went out the window when his preferred lynch claimed blue. If Tumble flips red it's much more likely that scott is mafia, but not necessarily true. Trfel's strong TR on Tumble seems off to me, and it's also possible him being so sure Palmar was town was TMI like palmar suggested. Overall I'm still thinking Trfel is town because he seems to genuinely want to solve the game, but a lot of his reads just don't make sense to me. Kush is probably also Scum. Team of Tumble/Scott/Kush actually makes a lot of sense. I'm thinking Tumble is who we start with. Caution: This is a hidden WoT. What started as a tinfoil theory merged with my catching up with the pages I missed before EoD. This also took a lot out of me, may not do much more till next phase and see where we are at then. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
Shapelog (blue) Trfel The Shining Breshke Tictock Eden unsure about: rsoultin sicklucker poe pile: Tumblewood nooniansoong scott31337 GlowingBear | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
rsoultin is probably town. i'll make the caveat that she isn't blowing me away with anything, and i'm still not sure how much her mafia game has progressed since my sabbatical. but this would have been outside of her mafia range before i left and it's consistent with what i remember before. high volume posting, very engaged, lots of specific questions with clear directions to them sicklucker's whole shtick as either alignment is to spew a nonsensical, literally egotistic narrative of the game state, where he does really dumb shit and says really dumb things and then bases the entirety of his arguments for the game on those really dumb things and people's reactions to him. it makes him unreadable and generally not a useful contributor to town imo. i think the best way to handle sicklucker is to just leave him alone for several days, literally ignore everything he says, and then see whether his voting record pushed mafia agenda or not and lynch him (or not) off of that while giving him zero quarter to defend himself if he becomes the target. i'm also down for just lynching him on principle for blatantly softing blue and then walking it back like nothing happened, but i also know this isn't going to get him to stop doing stupid shit like that down the line, so i don't know how productive that is. probably just me getting some satisfaction out of punishing what i perceive as poor play over actually trying to catch mafia (which is ironically poor play in itself...) trfel and tictock and shape seem obvious to me. breshke is in a similar place to rsoultin for me -- if i hadn't gone on sabbatical for the greater part of a year then i could say with total confidence that breshke is town. his behavior lines up with a lot of his priors for me, he tends to be background and asks a lot of clarifying/exploring questions as either alignment, but as town his questions are always much more salient and make sense. they're things you would think of on your own to ask, and then you scroll down and see breshke's already asked them. when the questions seem weird or out of place he's mafia. and no offense to breshke's scum play, but i have this unexplained intuitive sense that he hasn't broadened his spectrum of mafia play enough in my time away that my meta priors would be wrong. i have no good reason to think this and could be very wrong about it, but i'm sticking to it until someone gives me a reason not to. i guess my big reversal is on the shining but if you're keeping up with my posts, you'll see that i was coming around to this already. i guess i should explain this one but i don't feel like it of my poe pile i think i'm probably wrong about gb above the rest. the other three would all fit the profile of a lurking scumteam that hasn't needed to do much to force misplays and errant lynches from town | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Tumbleweed voted with me (his only scum read aparently) onto palmar who he seemed to not want lynched. Good chance he is scum I think | ||
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