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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
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Trfel
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 I mean, I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now. I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia. His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me). The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread. I think that PepperMintTea is town and always have. I've generally found PepperMintTea's posts quite insightful, particularly the early read on Shapelog (the nervous/anxious thing, that's an emotion I've commonly felt as town). Generally, players who post actually insightful info and seem to be putting out their own thoughts to solve the game are just town. | ||
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PepperMintTea
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Then I have nooniansong who honestly I haven't tried to read so far. I was aware that I may not be objective trying to read him as they were pushing me. Either way unlikely to get lynched and I have no reason to so just going to ignore that today. Yesterday I listed who I would potentially lynch but I want to refine that list somewhat and give some more detailed reasoning. Onegu - I mentioned early on that I was wary reading Onegu one way or the other. What struck out to me was an inconsistency on his read of me and the follow up. The relevant posts are given here. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote: Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned I am curious what these very good points are On January 28 2016 06:54 Onegu wrote: It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that. Essentially he calls me "scummy as hell" based on the points raised by nooniansong but actually noon only raised one , pretty weak , point that Onegu agreed with. Onegu also didn't read correctly, I had Shapelog as town and he said I was calling Shapelog scummy. I want to read him one more time and see cases against him but ... i'd be ok lynching him at this point. Tumblewood - I typically don't like early list posts the main thing is the Onegu read switch he came up with and how it came about. Essentially I find it hard to understand that he saw onegu do some towny stuff early, and make a good case but calls him scum. ..perhaps just sheeping thread opinion. When you compare it to people he calls town and the reasons he gave there... @Tumblewood - Can you explain what it is you didn't like about Onegu's big post, give some examples. I need to read over his responses and I am aware that it is tempting to lynch someone you "caught out" just to seem clever... but at this point I would lynch Tumblewood, Trefl - I liked Eden's catch about his flip flop on Tumble ... but I have nothing by myself and again I want to read things more carefully...I probably wouldn't lynch trefl though over anyone else in this list The rest of the pack are basically inactives who I would happily lynch JesusIncarnate - Superficial list posts early on with surface reads. No explanations or follow up. Woefully inactive LYNCH Kuragari - Inactive, got himself into a horrible mess trying to pressure darth which was just terrible. Felt like "talking just to talk" Hasn't done anything else so would lynch Iki - inactive for ever, then big list post. Seems to contain a lot of backdoors as pointed out by eden, played the newbie card. would Lynch. I'm going to go over this at lunch, reading tumble and onegu and will give updates then If you feel strongly about any of these or have further cases I would like to read them. I have about 15 mins for questions. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now. Why were you saving it for later? Why not just say it? I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia. His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. How is disagreeing with a TR but not accusing scum suspicious? Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me). Well no duh he is going to vote for Kuragari42 (his top scum read) over Onegu (his maybe scum lean). The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread. I do find this suspicious though. You would think if he was townread he would continue posting like a townie. He may just be sleeping or busy, though. | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote: Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative? Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice. If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline. He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum. It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive. I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing  Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb? | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely, Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote: Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may?If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline. He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up. If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time? | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:30 Trfel wrote: I mean, right now he's probably sleeping. But that aside, look at the effort he put into his first analysis post on Shapelog. Detailed, clear explanation. Since then, his reasoning hasn't been so detailed and has felt a bit shallow to me. I'm not paying any attention to his recent inactivity at all. The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum. It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive. I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb?If you read Alur carefully he starts with questioning the townreads and then after more posts from Kuragami he scumreads him stronger, I didn't like the posts by Kura either so I can understand that. | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:33 _MexicanAlien wrote: PepperMintTea, I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely, Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari sorry I can't respond intelligently | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 28 2016 17:08 _MexicanAlien wrote: I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but....To clarify my point: Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance. Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read. Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed. Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance. So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him 1. Unhelpful Townie 2. Mafia Scum CONTRADICTION Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense. | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote: Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may? If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time? I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts. He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way. Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read. I can follow that train of thought. I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong. | ||
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PepperMintTea
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Trfel
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On January 28 2016 18:40 PepperMintTea wrote: Date change..... like 13 hours in between the first two posts.I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts. He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way. Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read. I can follow that train of thought. I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong. Anyway, I could be wrong about Tumblewood too, but right now I don't see it. I'd also like to bring up that he read my case on him, but didn't respond, and then voted on the leading wagon while yet again matching his reads with the thread sentiment. I really wish that he would interact with me more so that I could either confirm my read or realize that I'm wrong. But I'm not really thinking that I'm wrong right now. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:36 PepperMintTea wrote: sorry I can't respond intelligently Get over yourself. Honestly though, I don't know why everybody ignores the point I made about how you purposefully ignore the possibility of Shapelog's guilt. Either you're lucky or I need to go back and see who spammed my post into oblivion. | ||
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Trfel
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:38 Trfel wrote: I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but.... Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense. Quote where Ikidomari said he reads JesusIncarnate as both town and scum. It may have been a weak town read, but that's not the impression Ikidomari gave. READ my post. Ikidomari uses the same observation as a town read and a scum read. This doesnt make sense. Look at my post whet I quoted Ikidomari and his reasoning. | ||
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:45 Trfel wrote: Date change..... like 13 hours in between the first two posts. Anyway, I could be wrong about Tumblewood too, but right now I don't see it. I'd also like to bring up that he read my case on him, but didn't respond, and then voted on the leading wagon while yet again matching his reads with the thread sentiment. I really wish that he would interact with me more so that I could either confirm my read or realize that I'm wrong. But I'm not really thinking that I'm wrong right now. Sorry my mistake with the time, I thought it was 12 hour clock not 24. It seems that in the third post you quoted, the additional points that Tumblewood brought up occured before he made the 2nd post and were available to reference then so that could be odd. He may have just gone back over Shapelog's filter and found more things he didn't like. Fairly interesting | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I shared my honest opinion. Disagreements happen. I can see a few ways that this could come from town, and when I look at the overall picture of JesusIncarnate's play, I feel that he is more likely town. | ||
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