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On January 28 2016 19:00 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 18:45 Trfel wrote:On January 28 2016 18:40 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote:On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative? Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice. If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline. He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up. Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may? If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time? I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts. He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way. Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read. I can follow that train of thought. I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong. Date change..... like 13 hours in between the first two posts. Anyway, I could be wrong about Tumblewood too, but right now I don't see it. I'd also like to bring up that he read my case on him, but didn't respond, and then voted on the leading wagon while yet again matching his reads with the thread sentiment. I really wish that he would interact with me more so that I could either confirm my read or realize that I'm wrong. But I'm not really thinking that I'm wrong right now. Sorry my mistake with the time, I thought it was 12 hour clock not 24. It seems that in the third post you quoted, the additional points that Tumblewood brought up occured before he made the 2nd post and were available to reference then so that could be odd. He may have just gone back over Shapelog's filter and found more things he didn't like. Fairly interesting
Edit - but then again probably not interesting as the second post you quoted, he is respond directly about the townreads being given to shapelog, rather than his posts.
and when he quotes shapelog in the third post, those quotes all took place after his first scum read of shapelog, so no I don't see anything there.
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And for the record, my roommate actually locked me out of my room.
Like, what the actual heck.
So I guess I'm staying up all night. I'll be doing homework, but if anyone wants to talk about anything, just let me know.
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Don't claim if you're not willing to quote.
Your honest opinion was based on misreads and mistakes, so that particular opinion is worth nothing.
This is not about JesusIncarnate's play. This is about Ikidomari's read.
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Oh.
Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari.
Really sorry about that  I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate.
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On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate.
What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first.
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Edit:
Read Eden1892's response it it first.
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On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now.
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If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.
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On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.
I feel Eden1892's read of Ikidomari is quite good. Obviously the quality of his read is subjective, and I see how you could have reached your conclusion. Thank you for your response.
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@trfel i agree with you about alur. I don't think we should pressure him until later in the game though.
Your case on tumblewood regarding page 16 makes no sense to me.
Tumblewood said shape was scummy before page 16. Then he gives quotes from after page 16 to demonstrate why he's scummy.
That is what you are talking about right?
The way I interpret that is he is looking at those quotes after page 16 as additional evidence, and he feels the pre 16 stuff has already been layed out.
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My biggest town reads:
darthfoley
Shape log
PepperMintTea
Alur
My biggest scum reads:
Ikidomari
Tumbleweed
Scum lean:
JesusIncarnate
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On January 28 2016 22:20 nooniansoong wrote:
@trfel i agree with you about alur. I don't think we should pressure him until later in the game though.
Your case on tumblewood regarding page 16 makes no sense to me.
Tumblewood said shape was scummy before page 16. Then he gives quotes from after page 16 to demonstrate why he's scummy.
That is what you are talking about right?
The way I interpret that is he is looking at those quotes after page 16 as additional evidence, and he feels the pre 16 stuff has already been layed out.
I agree with you about the tumbleweed case
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not that tumblewood is a definite townread for me
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Catching up
On January 28 2016 14:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +My read is that jesus is an unhelpful town, who has annoying posts to read- 'sick meme' 'residentsleeper' Show nested quote +Maybe this is a sick town play and we're going to get rid of mafia on the first night, but I think, judging from his experience, Trfel is an experienced mafia player, and is scum trying to get a townie lynched on day 1. Show nested quote +Whoops, My bad. I'm going to vote on my top scum / useless town read at the moment, I'm open to changing this if people sway my opinion.
##Vote JesusIncarnate
There was also someone who he said was town (pepper?) because they posted good questions, but then calls Trofl scummy because of his questions.
There just seems to be a lot contradictions in his reads.
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Also
##:Unvote For the moment. (Onegu still seems scummy to me btw)
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On January 28 2016 15:10 Ikidomari wrote:Again. I'm probably the weakest player in this game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason, but I'm not scum and I'd really love to hang around and learn + Show Spoiler + it was really quite hard to learn from the BTS stream, because you know who is scum and who is town going into it, so there's an inherent bias.
This follow up post was weird from Ikido, Even weirder when I read the above post. The Pity + "Plz no don't lynch me, I want to learnzzzz" = scum lean to me after reading it.
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On January 28 2016 15:16 Eden1892 wrote:
sigh hittin me right in the feels with "keep me alive so I can learn"
Eden 3 - Shapelog 0.
Like Trofl, Eden is stealing my Thunder Rofl. At least he was there when Ikindo. came on and (hopefully) pushed it.
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having lunch, be here for an hour
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On January 28 2016 15:16 Eden1892 wrote:I'll humor that your post took a while and you changed your mind as a result, Iki. After all, I pretty rapidly changed course on who I wanted to lynch while I was typing my post  But you got to explain to me what changed your mind. It's a bit odd to me that you claim you did, because you didn't make much mention of Jesus in-between your read on him and your list of reads. And you didn't put it back in at the end... or in the follow-up post where you voted for him...So what changed your mind about Jesus? Please be as specific as you can.
Why did Eden just give Ikindo a back door? I mean I understand where Eden is talking about (especially the rapidly changing reads) but really? Sure maybe Ikindo is a newbie, and sure, trying to analyze 30 hours of posting in 2-3 hours is hard as a newbie. But if we rely on the Newbie excuses all game we might miss a chance to lynch scum.
I want Newbies to learn as well, But they have coaches and at the end of the day, they will learn more from them then from us.
Gosh My Tinfoil Senses are tingling. + Show Spoiler +Could Eden and Ikindo be a scum team? And like Ikindo (knowing his reads after he type them were bad and inconsistent) had Eden purposely scum read him for it so Eden could control the thread about him. Why else would someone like Eden give such a big back door to someone he was scumreading?
On January 28 2016 15:19 _MexicanAlien wrote:Show nested quote +I'm probably the weakest player in the game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason,... Falls back on "I'm the weakest player" when there are better candidates for that role (Shapelog....ect). He's trying to guilt us into not lynching him! This would be a horrible strategy for a townie, a last resort as Mafia!
First off Love the Love Mexy <3
Second, I comptely agree with you. I do not see a benefit as a Townie (Newbie or not) to post "Oh poor oh me" in the thread. Especially if they didn't want to get scum read as town they can just ask their coach.
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Decided I don't want to lynch ikodomari or trefl
Leaves me
Onegu, Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate or Kuragari
Onegu has really done nothing since Eden made his case, just confirmed what he was talking about with Shapelog and then replied weakly to my question. I'm not sure I could gather the votes to get this through
JesusIncarnate and Kuragari just haven't engaged the game at all.
Tumblewood has engaged a little bit but I he has questions outstanding he needs to answer
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