EPT1. darthfoley
2. Eden1892
3. Undecided
Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 36
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
1. darthfoley 2. Eden1892 3. Undecided | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Onegu (1): PepperMintTea (0): Kuragari42 (1): Alur, Tumblewood (1): Trfel, Trfel (0): JesusIncarnate (4): nooniansoong, darthfoley, Ikidomari, Tumblewood Ikidomari (2): Eden1892, _MexicanAlien Not voting (4): PepperMintTea, JesusIncarnate, Kuragari42, Onegu Currently, JesusIncarnate is set to be lynched. Deadline is Thursday, Jan 28 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
what does WIFOM mean? and NAI for that matter. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:42 Eden1892 wrote: Oh he posted again. Iki, why would a mafia want to paint a target on their backs if a townie wouldn't want to do so? Townie paints a target gets attacked for it defends the attack gets towncred, and asshole cred. there's a little benefit, but would it not be far better to just be goodtown? Mafia paints a target people assume there's no way mafia would draw that much attention to themselves if they get attacked they defend it get towncred and asshole cred. the difference is that town has no motivation to gain towncred, town has motivation to solve the game. mafia need to gain towncred twice as much as town do. at least in my very limited understanding, that's the way I see it. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:49 Ikidomari wrote: ..... the difference is that town has no motivation to gain towncred, town has motivation to solve the game. mafia need to gain towncred twice as much as town do. at least in my very limited understanding, that's the way I see it. One of the best ways to help solve the game is to establish oneself as townie, therefore narrowing down the potential mafia candidates. Townies also want towncred because then people will be more likely to listen to their reads, and therefore saving time for the rest of the townies. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
This guy's probably not mafia. ##UNVOTE Iki, + Show Spoiler + That's kind of alright logic, but it presupposes that if attacked, the mafia can hold off the attack and get townread. Neither side wants to get lynched, obviously, but one side actively cares about not being lynched (mafia) while the other primarily cares about lynching mafia (town). Painting a target on one's own back notably can serve a town purpose (baiting scum into pushing a bad case on them, a kind of reaction test), but it can't really serve a mafia purpose (you would then have to explain how you were baiting scum and make a case on people, or just get mislynched -- with people heavily scrutinizing your post for errors or reasons to lynch you). In essence I think you have it backwards. Townies have some motivation to bait attacks on themselves, since they're trying to find mafia, not necessarily survive. Mafia, on the other hand, win only by surviving and thus have next to no incentive to bait attacks on themselves. But I believe you sincerely believe what you say, and if I believe this, then your explanation makes sense to me from your POV. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:55 Eden1892 wrote: I am dumb, this isn't going anywhere. This guy's probably not mafia. ##UNVOTE Iki, + Show Spoiler + That's kind of alright logic, but it presupposes that if attacked, the mafia can hold off the attack and get townread. Neither side wants to get lynched, obviously, but one side actively cares about not being lynched (mafia) while the other primarily cares about lynching mafia (town). Painting a target on one's own back notably can serve a town purpose (baiting scum into pushing a bad case on them, a kind of reaction test), but it can't really serve a mafia purpose (you would then have to explain how you were baiting scum and make a case on people, or just get mislynched -- with people heavily scrutinizing your post for errors or reasons to lynch you). In essence I think you have it backwards. Townies have some motivation to bait attacks on themselves, since they're trying to find mafia, not necessarily survive. Mafia, on the other hand, win only by surviving and thus have next to no incentive to bait attacks on themselves. But I believe you sincerely believe what you say, and if I believe this, then your explanation makes sense to me from your POV. Thanks. The only time I've seen someone paint a target on themselves was SirActionSlacks in The Town, and he typically ended up wasting a lot of time and not helping the town as much as he thought he would. Hopefully this is the first and last time I'll ever have to say "I'm a fucking idiot" to not get lynched, I'll try and play better / be more constructive and insightful from here on out (assuming I still don't get lynched) | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:46 Ikidomari wrote: what does WIFOM mean? and NAI for that matter. WIFOM:+ Show Spoiler + NAI: not alignment indicative | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:46 Ikidomari wrote: what does WIFOM mean? and NAI for that matter. Wine In Front Of Me. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:55 Eden1892 wrote: I am dumb, this isn't going anywhere. This guy's probably not mafia. ##UNVOTE .... But I believe you sincerely believe what you say, and if I believe this, then your explanation makes sense to me from your POV. Eden1892, I noticed something that slightly bothered me. You point out a ton of logical mistakes and backdoors in Ikidomari's long post. You show amazement at the apparent scumcatch oh my goodness its actual literal christmasland and lock for scum And you even find scummy motives in Ikidomari's wagonjump on Jesusincarnate. like he literal called Travel actual scum and Jesus town... Then when wagons are showing up to be Trfel(actual scum) or Jesus (unhelpful town) drops a vote to push the wagon on his town read ahead of his scum read. You seem to want other people to vote for Ikidomari and seem slightly annoyed that people aren't joining the Ikiwagon. Everyone stop trying to lynch the bait and lynch the mafia instead But then out of nowhere you start falling for Ikidomari's **** sigh hitting me right in the feels with "keep me alive so I can learn" Note- that last quote may have been sarcasm, I don't know You ask Ikidomari what changed his mind about JesusIncarnate (changed from 'unhelpful town' to scum) He says it was Jesus' attitude Sure. It was his attidue. I admit I am biased because I dislike the way he types, but I couldn't stop thinking about motivations as to why he'd be so arrogant, and how that arrogance could be used to his advantage. This sounds good. But I went back and looked at his initial read of Jesus. ....He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it has got to be some sort of act. ...my read is that jesus is an unhelpful town... You see? Ikidomari claims his read on JesusIncarnate changed while he was still writing his post, but the reason he gave for the read change is one of the original reasons for his original read! Ikidomari didn't change his read. He wanted to bandwagon JesusIncarnate to take the pressure of of himself. Eden1892, I want to know why specifically you believe Ikidomari's reasoning. What made you let Ikidomari off the hook so easily? | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance. Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read. Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed. Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance. So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him 1. Unhelpful Townie 2. Mafia Scum CONTRADICTION | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Keep in mind that I'm not going to defend myself, so do whatever you want. Tumblewood on Shapelog Post #292 On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote: He says that Shapelog is mafia for posting that he is town.My reasoning on Shapelog: Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: and In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. Post #462 On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote: Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post [...] Shapelog still reads scum to me Post #612 On January 28 2016 09:10 Tumblewood wrote: I'm going to assume you meant this question: I'm scumreading Shapelog because he's acted exactly how I would expect a newbie mafia player to act. First, he made direct, offhand allusions to his alignment ("Unless your scum team kills me") that were worded in a way that is very unnatural for a comment like that. More recently, he posted a comment that I found to be odd. Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting. He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up. It seems like he wants to act like he's suspicious of people without actually caring about the cases for or against them. It's been a little separated / disorganized, but he's said a lot of scummy things that people are overlooking. The thing is, each and every one of Shapelog's posts that Tumblewood mentioned were posted AFTER page 16. AFTER Tumblewood said that Shapelog was scummy for the things that he did before page 16. This is a direct contradiction. It's also not possible that Tumblewood is just that convinced about people who say they are town being mafia, because he didn't react the same way about darthfoley's claims as town. Though even if this were the case, Tumblewood's play is still logically inconsistent and his read explanations don't fit with this mindset. I'm having a really hard time seeing Tumblewood as town. Tumblewood, could you please answer? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
This includes speculating whether someone would do something or not because he/she is being coached. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Anyway, it's too late, I need sleep. Good night (or rather, good morning). | ||
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PepperMintTea
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I mean, I don't know why people just don't want to play mafia with me, but if I'm actually that obnoxious I'll stop. Like seriously, just tell me, and I'll stop. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
Also, the VI is asleep or busy. I don't know if the rest of us who are online are up for conversation. | ||
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