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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:23 darthfoley wrote: *hint, if you want to stay alive, I suggest you do as he says and not fall back on "i'm a noob!" excuse* .... With that said, I am too interested in hearing about why your opinion of JesusIncarnate changed. I'm assuming you read my case against him before you posted, so why the change mid way through your post? Woah, Woah, Woah, Woah, Woah! Wtf is this shit? *hint, if you want to stay alive, I suggest you do as he says and not fall back on "i'm a noob!" excuse* Why are you Directing the person to the back door from eden? Especially, not moments before, you scum read Ikindo. On January 28 2016 15:07 darthfoley wrote: Can it actually be that simple Eden? Wouldn't a mafia coach specifically coach against some of the stuff (e.g. noob card, "he's either town or mafia" reads, etc.) that Ikidomari posted? Are you really that worried that about the coach WIFOM? That because someone is being to much of a newbie? OR, Just OR, You read your BFF Eden's post and compositely change you opinion. Which this one is prob. correct sense almost everytime Eden posts, you take on her opionons. You did it here too! With that said, I am too interested in hearing about why your opinion of JesusIncarnate changed. I'm assuming you read my case against him before you posted, so why the change mid way through your post? Eden literary just said and suggested that you include magically into your mind set? You are giving Ikindo a back door Along with Eden! Also Why is Darth Parroting everything Eden says? Could the scum team really be Darth, Eden, Ikindo because right now I can connect all three of them? Like I can image the Scum QT: Ikindo: sorry I haven't been here. I am going to read the thread and try to post reads Eden or darth: Alright Ikindo: Fuck, I just read through my reads and they are shady and scummy as fuck. What do I do? Eden: Relex call down. We try something. But I am going to have to scum read you. | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 28 2016 13:22 darthfoley wrote: Okay Shapelog is now town, which is convenient, given that he hasn't provided any reason why his opinion changed (besides perhaps, the town consensus). But, the rest of his reads are the same, i.e. Onegu is the most scummy for him. But then he directly contradicts himself and comes off as wishy-washy regarding the Onegu lynch wagon, saying that the people voting him are shocking: (Trfel, Eden, Noon, Shapelog). This is pretty terrible. I think JesusIncarnate is mafia Now this post is pretty old and might have already been discussed but I don't want to continue reading and forget about it. Other than the point about Jesus town reading Shape, this post seems to be pretty well thought out (I have not confirmed the posts yet, probably will later if further posts reveal nothing). Now do one of these for each player, lol. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
I'm pretty in agreement with PMT right now in terms of possible lynch targets. Jesus, Kuragari + I want to reread Onegu's and Tumblewood's filter. I thought of some things this morning that I want to cross reference r | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 28 2016 23:05 Shapelog wrote: Catching up There was also someone who he said was town (pepper?) because they posted good questions, but then calls Trofl scummy because of his questions. There just seems to be a lot contradictions in his reads. If you read Trfel's filter, you will see what he means. Many of Trfel's questions are of no/low value, and could be designed to make Trfel active and interested in scumhunting. Kuragari42, what do you think this observation means? Having an answer to this doesn't help, as Kuragari42 made an observation and implied a read/lean/whatever. darthfoley, can you explain what you meant from this statement, and any conclusion you may have drawn from this? This was when Darthfoley wanted to hear more about my pattern and he stated that he understands why a newer player would think Shapelog is scum. There is no further explanation needed, and he stated his conclusion already. it seems a lot of people are suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why? Instead of just reading the accusations, he asks if someone could tell him again, which will result in long repeat posts. And these: what do you think of Kuragari42? give me a bit about Pepperminttea can you explain how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed It seems like he wants to constantly rehash information. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
Reply to Trfel, and call out noon for not fully answering my question. On January 28 2016 18:07 Trfel wrote: I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads  I mean, I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now. I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia. His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me). The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread. I think that PepperMintTea is town and always have. I've generally found PepperMintTea's posts quite insightful, particularly the early read on Shapelog (the nervous/anxious thing, that's an emotion I've commonly felt as town). Generally, players who post actually insightful info and seem to be putting out their own thoughts to solve the game are just town. I'm surprised you don't know why people are leaning town on me, because a number of people have stated their reasons explicitly. Darthfoley - liked my pressure on you (didn't explicit say townlean, but it's reasonable to interpret it as such). Ikidormari - Gives a number of reasons in his entrypost. Shapelog - Believes I'm actively solving the game and paying attention (#456) Tumblewood - In (#581) he explains how he think's I'm the most motivated for finding scum You are of course free to disagree with them, or want them to elaborate, or ask for the opinions of players who have not made reads on me. But to say that you don't know why people are townreading me, once again makes me think that you're not very intent on reading the thread. The biggest reason why I voted Kuragari over you or Onegu, is that my reads on Onegu and you, were at that point influenced by others players reads (people had called you out for only spamming questions, and Onegu for being unhelpful and making absolutist statements). The only scumreads where I can be sure my opinion is not influenced by other peoples ulterior motives, is one that I made by myself (which is the scumcase agaisn't Kuragari, that I initiated, even though 2 players had slightly townread him). I also hope that you don't base your read too much on the fact that I live in Europe. To noon My question was twofold, while your answer regarding your "next-level read" on me made some sense (vague paranoia seems like a townie trait, since town players are inherently suspicious of other, due to lack of info). You didn't answer my question regarding the progression of your read on Trfel. Why does Trfel "look solid to you"? What specifically makes you think that? | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
Ikindo posts. Mexcian says you can't vote. Darth Pratically ignores everything about the scummy about the reads and ask Ikindo about Trofl and Onegu (could this be him pushing a mafia agenda?) On January 28 2016 14:42 darthfoley wrote: Welcome to the thread! Hope you're getting caught up. I like your post, but I have a question. You mention that Onegu and Trfel are in your scum category. Do you think that they could be on a scum team together? If one flips mafia, will that change your opinion on the other? He says he even likes the post. Remember this for later. Eden Case Darths follow up: On January 28 2016 14:57 darthfoley wrote: God damn it Eden. That post from Ikidomari has so many back doors on it now that I've reread it. Shows that Darth didn't find anything heavily scummy till Eden point it out On January 28 2016 15:01 darthfoley wrote: Yea wtf how does JesusIncarnate get read as useless town and then get thrown in the scum pile right after? There are lots of serious logical inconsistencies with that post. Parroting On January 28 2016 15:07 darthfoley wrote: Can it actually be that simple Eden? Wouldn't a mafia coach specifically coach against some of the stuff (e.g. noob card, "he's either town or mafia" reads, etc.) that Ikidomari posted? Gives Ikidomari a Back door exit. It is like they are trying to bail Ikindo out. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
I read what he posted and talk to him if he is here when i get back. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post). I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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PepperMintTea
187 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote: Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know. The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post). I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers. On January 29 2016 00:18 Tumblewood wrote: Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote: Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know. The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post). I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers. You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:22 PepperMintTea wrote: The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions. I agree with PMT. This is 'guilty until proven innocent'. And you two aren't doing a whole darn lot to show your town alignment. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:26 _MexicanAlien wrote: You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point. Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there. Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy? | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
Q: What don't you like about Onegu's big post? A: It was a huge post that would appear to be helping, but most of it was just "I'd sheep kush on that" and "Bad newbie, bad," so it was a huge nothing post. Q: You said Onegu was scummy but then said he wasn't. A: He's just as scummy, but there are four people I see as scummier, so I would suspect Onegu less anyway. Q: Why did you add JesusIncarnate and Ikidomari to your scum list when town did? A: Because I am an easily convinced man. For real, Ikidomari had only just posted, and JesusIncarnate I'd half forgotten about and half expected to post. If he doesn't post before EOD I think he's the scummiest. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I think I'm just gonna vote for Iki after all. I don't think I want Trfel to go today. Still not feeling this Jesus train -- still too many people on him for things that don't make him mafia to make me comfortable with it. Really nothing changed to make me think that Iki couldn't be mafia. Might be letting him off the hook too easily, idk. I reread my case and I feel like Iki didn't really rebut what I was saying, so probably I should just lynch him. ##VOTE: Ikidomari I feel like Onegu also hasn't done anything in a hot minute. That's probably a good reason to kill him too. | ||
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Kuragari42
United States346 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote: Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that. If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment. Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit. | ||
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_MexicanAlien
South Africa193 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:31 Ikidomari wrote: Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there. Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy? Haha. Turns out I was WIFOMing you. Mafia would never ignore the accusation in question+ Show Spoiler + Shape log says darthfoley and eden1892 gave Ikidomari a back door or of the situation. Seeing as Darth and eden1892 completely dropped all accusation almost immediately, this is not as wild a point as it seems. A Mafia would try to bail out scummates from being associated with himself, like you just did. Or tried to do Also think of it this way. If darthfoley and eden1892 were successful, you would get off scot-free. No one would suspect you. High- risk, high reward. | ||
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