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PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 14:34 GMT
#761
you know i'm going to go with this for now and see what happens

## Vote Kuragari42

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 14:36 GMT
#762
actually this is more interesting

## Unvote

## Vote Onegu
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 28 2016 14:42 GMT
#763
On January 28 2016 15:23 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 15:16 Eden1892 wrote:
sigh hittin me right in the feels with "keep me alive so I can learn"




I'll humor that your post took a while and you changed your mind as a result, Iki. After all, I pretty rapidly changed course on who I wanted to lynch while I was typing my post

But you got to explain to me what changed your mind. It's a bit odd to me that you claim you did, because you didn't make much mention of Jesus in-between your read on him and your list of reads. And you didn't put it back in at the end... or in the follow-up post where you voted for him...

So what changed your mind about Jesus? Please be as specific as you can.


*hint, if you want to stay alive, I suggest you do as he says and not fall back on "i'm a noob!" excuse* ....

With that said, I am too interested in hearing about why your opinion of JesusIncarnate changed. I'm assuming you read my case against him before you posted, so why the change mid way through your post?

Woah, Woah, Woah, Woah, Woah! Wtf is this shit?
*hint, if you want to stay alive, I suggest you do as he says and not fall back on "i'm a noob!" excuse*

Why are you Directing the person to the back door from eden? Especially, not moments before, you scum read Ikindo.
On January 28 2016 15:07 darthfoley wrote:
Can it actually be that simple Eden? Wouldn't a mafia coach specifically coach against some of the stuff (e.g. noob card, "he's either town or mafia" reads, etc.) that Ikidomari posted?

Are you really that worried that about the coach WIFOM? That because someone is being to much of a newbie?
OR, Just OR,
You read your BFF Eden's post and compositely change you opinion. Which this one is prob. correct sense almost everytime Eden posts, you take on her opionons. You did it here too!
With that said, I am too interested in hearing about why your opinion of JesusIncarnate changed. I'm assuming you read my case against him before you posted, so why the change mid way through your post?

Eden literary just said and suggested that you include magically into your mind set? You are giving Ikindo a back door Along with Eden! Also Why is Darth Parroting everything Eden says? Could the scum team really be Darth, Eden, Ikindo because right now I can connect all three of them? Like I can image the Scum QT:
Ikindo: sorry I haven't been here. I am going to read the thread and try to post reads
Eden or darth: Alright
Ikindo: Fuck, I just read through my reads and they are shady and scummy as fuck. What do I do?
Eden: Relex call down. We try something. But I am going to have to scum read you.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
January 28 2016 14:46 GMT
#764
On January 28 2016 13:22 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 04:02 JesusIncarnate wrote:
@Tumblewood

Shapelog is leaning more town now, but im not outright town-reading them. Other than that its the same. I do not feel confident in lynching Onegu however, the people on the vote are particularly shocking. I'll prob do filter posts when i have more time, as right now i can only read thread and type shit.


Okay Shapelog is now town, which is convenient, given that he hasn't provided any reason why his opinion changed (besides perhaps, the town consensus). But, the rest of his reads are the same, i.e. Onegu is the most scummy for him. But then he directly contradicts himself and comes off as wishy-washy regarding the Onegu lynch wagon, saying that the people voting him are shocking: (Trfel, Eden, Noon, Shapelog). This is pretty terrible.

I think JesusIncarnate is mafia


Now this post is pretty old and might have already been discussed but I don't want to continue reading and forget about it.

Other than the point about Jesus town reading Shape, this post seems to be pretty well thought out (I have not confirmed the posts yet, probably will later if further posts reveal nothing).

Now do one of these for each player, lol.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
January 28 2016 14:52 GMT
#765
I get your point Shapelog, but what I (and maybe Eden) are saying is that, if Ikidomari is actually mafia, we can just kill him tomorrow or the next day. He will undoubtedly make more slip ups and mistakes if his first post is the norm. I'm more interested in lynch scum who seems more dangerous to do things later in the game right now. Ikidomari could go either way for me because of what people have already said... others, I am much more confident on.

I'm pretty in agreement with PMT right now in terms of possible lynch targets. Jesus, Kuragari + I want to reread Onegu's and Tumblewood's filter. I thought of some things this morning that I want to cross reference r
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:00 GMT
#766
On January 28 2016 23:05 Shapelog wrote:
Catching up

There was also someone who he said was town (pepper?) because they posted good questions, but then calls Trofl scummy because of his questions.

There just seems to be a lot contradictions in his reads.

If you read Trfel's filter, you will see what he means. Many of Trfel's questions are of no/low value, and could be designed to make Trfel active and interested in scumhunting.

Kuragari42, what do you think this observation means?

Having an answer to this doesn't help, as Kuragari42 made an observation and implied a read/lean/whatever.

darthfoley, can you explain what you meant from this statement, and any conclusion you may have drawn from this?

This was when Darthfoley wanted to hear more about my pattern and he stated that he understands why a newer player would think Shapelog is scum. There is no further explanation needed, and he stated his conclusion already.

it seems a lot of people are suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why?

Instead of just reading the accusations, he asks if someone could tell him again, which will result in long repeat posts.

And these:
what do you think of Kuragari42?

give me a bit about Pepperminttea

can you explain how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed


It seems like he wants to constantly rehash information.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 28 2016 15:09 GMT
#767
Busy day, but I wanted to quickly do two things before I return home.
Reply to Trfel, and call out noon for not fully answering my question.

On January 28 2016 18:07 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads

I mean, I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now.

I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia.

His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me).

The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread.

I think that PepperMintTea is town and always have. I've generally found PepperMintTea's posts quite insightful, particularly the early read on Shapelog (the nervous/anxious thing, that's an emotion I've commonly felt as town). Generally, players who post actually insightful info and seem to be putting out their own thoughts to solve the game are just town.


I'm surprised you don't know why people are leaning town on me, because a number of people have stated their reasons explicitly.
Darthfoley - liked my pressure on you (didn't explicit say townlean, but it's reasonable to interpret it as such).
Ikidormari - Gives a number of reasons in his entrypost.
Shapelog - Believes I'm actively solving the game and paying attention (#456)
Tumblewood - In (#581) he explains how he think's I'm the most motivated for finding scum

You are of course free to disagree with them, or want them to elaborate, or ask for the opinions of players who have not made reads on me. But to say that you don't know why people are townreading me, once again makes me think that you're not very intent on reading the thread.

The biggest reason why I voted Kuragari over you or Onegu, is that my reads on Onegu and you, were at that point influenced by others players reads (people had called you out for only spamming questions, and Onegu for being unhelpful and making absolutist statements).

The only scumreads where I can be sure my opinion is not influenced by other peoples ulterior motives, is one that I made by myself (which is the scumcase agaisn't Kuragari, that I initiated, even though 2 players had slightly townread him).

I also hope that you don't base your read too much on the fact that I live in Europe.

To noon
My question was twofold, while your answer regarding your "next-level read" on me made some sense (vague paranoia seems like a townie trait, since town players are inherently suspicious of other, due to lack of info). You didn't answer my question regarding the progression of your read on Trfel. Why does Trfel "look solid to you"? What specifically makes you think that?
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:09 GMT
#768
During the long interval before Shapelog showed up I read the entire thread. also read 6 filters. Tumbleweed sticks out as the most scummy, especially if you look at his earlier posts and reads.

## unvote
## vote Tumbleweed
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 28 2016 15:09 GMT
#769
Actually let me look at timely.
Ikindo posts.
Mexcian says you can't vote.
Darth Pratically ignores everything about the scummy about the reads and ask Ikindo about Trofl and Onegu (could this be him pushing a mafia agenda?)
On January 28 2016 14:42 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 14:23 Ikidomari wrote:
Hi all, Sorry for being so inactive at the start, I've been real busy with life, and I've had a hell of a rough time catching up on the game, got a major headache trying to figure everything out. I'll try to be far more active from here on out, feel free to question me all you want, and I'll answer as quickly as possible.

Sorry for any weird formatting issues, the lack of direct quotes, and general rambly-ness of my post, I'm writing from a phone and having a hell of a time getting it all done.

READS with explanations (mostly):

+ Show Spoiler +

PepperMintTea
Never played forum, but has played in real-life / online, so at least somewhat experienced.
Points out a lot of flaws in people's arguments, times that they've said things that are weak / make little sense. Constantly asking for more information, where people got certain ideas, and asks hard-hitting questions. PMT is one of my top town reads, either that or very good mafia, and I'm being taken for a ride, but based on their lack of forum experience, I'd say PMT is just good town.


Tumbleweed
looks like this is his first game, or one of his first, went very pro-active early, maybe a bit over-aggressive on the scum calls, but started making more town reads later on. I don't know, comes off as bad town trying too hard, or bad mafia to me, i'm not experienced enough to tell the difference. If I had to give a solid answer, I'd say he's bad town who changed his mind a bit too often in an attempt to get reactions out of people, falling over himself trying to avoid being mis-lynched.

JesusIncarnate
Very few posts (I know, he still has more than I do)
Posts he has made haven't been very constructive at all. He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it's got to be some sort of act, because there's no way someone's going to say "I am a Mafia Grandmaster", "speak to me with respect, I deserve it, i am above you" unless they're putting it on, and I mean, look at that name.
Only constructive information he's given to town is calling out Eden for supposedly falling for a simple strat.
My read is that jesus is an unhelpful town, who has annoying posts to read- 'sick meme' 'residentsleeper'
Jesus, why are you putting such a big target on your back for someone to attack you? what do you gain?

Alur
Seems like good town to me. He's intent on solving the game, asks questions, answers questions asked of him, Isn't going crazy trying to turn people on one another, or attacking anyone too hard.
He seems to be frustrated at my lack of posting, understandable, I would be too. Sorry about that.
I like Alurs posts, He's towney, he's not obnoxious, he doesn't seem like he's putting on any sort of act. He also posted "Gonna play some dota or cs to relax". You KNOW someone's taking the game seriously when they swap to dota of all games to chill out.

Kuragari
Reationary to other people's posts, hasn't posted much in the way of solving the game, just spoke to other players.
He did say he wouldn't go into reads until later in the first day, but for someone with quite a few posts, not much has been said.
Not enough information on the guy to make a proper judgement. Slightly scummy, not enough to vote on.

darthfoley
Very town, posted a lot of constructive things, good attitude. I'm on a phone so it's hard to quote everything I want to touch on, but my number 1 town spot goes to this guy. He posts a lot and is vocal about his reads, and backs them up with other posts. I think he'll be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list.

nooniansoong
My read is good-town, asks some good questions, spots inconsistencies, doesn't hop on other people's scum reads and back them up, tries to dissect them and point out any flaws, good for getting more information.

Trfel
Scum read, has a whole lot of posts just asking questions without contributing any information, a whole lot of words with not much to say.
Jumped on the voting for tumbleweed bandwagon simply because it's embarrassing the newbies caught tumble, and not Trfel himself? (Am I missing something here?)
My biggest reason for thinking Trfel is scum is #607 where he says he's trying very hard not to direct the thread, then proceeds to direct the hell out of the thread dissecting tumbleweed's filter, this results in tumbleweed being the current lynch target.
Maybe this is a sick town play and we're going to get rid of mafia on the first night, but I think, judging from his experience, Trfel is an experienced mafia player, and is scum trying to get a townie lynched on day 1.

from here on out my posts are going to be shorter, I'm getting a headache going over everything, this is my own fault for being so inactive at the start, there's so much content to wrap my head around.

Onegu
Seems scummy, lots of short very defensive answers, "Big post coming from me" was actually just a bunch of short reactions to other people's posts.
that being said, I disagree with several of his reads, especially Tea being mafia. that being said I do agree with his Trfel read.
I don't think he's scum enough to vote, but definitely enough to keep my eye on.

_MexicanAlien
Comes off as a noob at the start. I don't think he's scum, but he's not being very helpful to town, either. I disagree with his reads.

Eden
Seems town, nice long posts, decent contribution

Shapelog
Heck, man you've posted so much. Chill out a bit, think before you post. A lot of your posts are off-topic and it's not too helpful. I'm reading you as town for now but I'm going to keep a close eye on you from now on.


OKAY SO
My top 3 for each
Scum: Onegu, JesusIncarnate, Tfel
Town: PMT, Darth, Alur
Keep a close eye on: Shape, Tumble, Kuragari

I'm going to refrain from voting for at least a little while, if I even vote at all. + Show Spoiler +
we are allowed to abstain from voting, right?


For now, please feel free to AMA, call me out, whatever. I'll be reading the thread a lot for at least the next few hours.


Welcome to the thread! Hope you're getting caught up. I like your post, but I have a question. You mention that Onegu and Trfel are in your scum category. Do you think that they could be on a scum team together? If one flips mafia, will that change your opinion on the other?

He says he even likes the post. Remember this for later.
Eden Case
Darths follow up:
On January 28 2016 14:57 darthfoley wrote:
God damn it Eden. That post from Ikidomari has so many back doors on it now that I've reread it.

Shows that Darth didn't find anything heavily scummy till Eden point it out
On January 28 2016 15:01 darthfoley wrote:
Yea wtf how does JesusIncarnate get read as useless town and then get thrown in the scum pile right after? There are lots of serious logical inconsistencies with that post.

Parroting
On January 28 2016 15:07 darthfoley wrote:
Can it actually be that simple Eden? Wouldn't a mafia coach specifically coach against some of the stuff (e.g. noob card, "he's either town or mafia" reads, etc.) that Ikidomari posted?

Gives Ikidomari a Back door exit.

It is like they are trying to bail Ikindo out.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
January 28 2016 15:11 GMT
#770
Oh darths here. Sucks since I got to focus in this college class.
I read what he posted and talk to him if he is here when i get back.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
January 28 2016 15:16 GMT
#771
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
January 28 2016 15:18 GMT
#772
Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions
good times for all
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 15:22 GMT
#773
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


On January 29 2016 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions


The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:26 GMT
#774
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:28 GMT
#775
On January 29 2016 00:22 PepperMintTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions


The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions.


I agree with PMT. This is 'guilty until proven innocent'. And you two aren't doing a whole darn lot to show your town alignment.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
January 28 2016 15:31 GMT
#776
On January 29 2016 00:26 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point.


Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there.

Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy?
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
January 28 2016 15:34 GMT
#777
On phone so I can't quote, but
Q: What don't you like about Onegu's big post?
A: It was a huge post that would appear to be helping, but most of it was just "I'd sheep kush on that" and "Bad newbie, bad," so it was a huge nothing post.
Q: You said Onegu was scummy but then said he wasn't.
A: He's just as scummy, but there are four people I see as scummier, so I would suspect Onegu less anyway.
Q: Why did you add JesusIncarnate and Ikidomari to your scum list when town did?
A: Because I am an easily convinced man. For real, Ikidomari had only just posted, and JesusIncarnate I'd half forgotten about and half expected to post. If he doesn't post before EOD I think he's the scummiest.
good times for all
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 28 2016 15:41 GMT
#778
I am far too easily swayed in these games. Was kind of hoping one of the vet players would unambiguously say that my Iki case was good or bad, but I guess I can't bank on always having somebody to get in my ear and tell me I'm playing badly. lol

I think I'm just gonna vote for Iki after all. I don't think I want Trfel to go today. Still not feeling this Jesus train -- still too many people on him for things that don't make him mafia to make me comfortable with it.

Really nothing changed to make me think that Iki couldn't be mafia. Might be letting him off the hook too easily, idk. I reread my case and I feel like Iki didn't really rebut what I was saying, so probably I should just lynch him.

##VOTE: Ikidomari

I feel like Onegu also hasn't done anything in a hot minute. That's probably a good reason to kill him too.
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Kuragari42
Profile Joined January 2016
United States346 Posts
January 28 2016 15:48 GMT
#779
On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2.


But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment.

Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit.
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:49 GMT
#780
On January 29 2016 00:31 Ikidomari wrote:
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On January 29 2016 00:26 _MexicanAlien wrote:
You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point.


Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there.

Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy?


Haha. Turns out I was WIFOMing you. Mafia would never ignore the accusation in question+ Show Spoiler +
Shape log says darthfoley and eden1892 gave Ikidomari a back door or of the situation. Seeing as Darth and eden1892 completely dropped all accusation almost immediately, this is not as wild a point as it seems.
, because if they were shown to have ignored it they would be nailed.

A Mafia would try to bail out scummates from being associated with himself, like you just did. Or tried to do

Also think of it this way. If darthfoley and eden1892 were successful, you would get off scot-free. No one would suspect you. High- risk, high reward.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
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