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Irishbound
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Irishbound
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On December 17 2015 23:39 kitaman27 wrote:As a side note, the game would likely start quicker if you filled a newbie slot  Fair point. /In as Newbie. | ||
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Irishbound
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Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement. I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here. @Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting? | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:What exactly you didn't like about their openings? I didn't like Scott bandwagoning with Nonians comment in #167, it's also a very easy way for scum to enter into the thread, quite a similar concern with Mdergs #168 although I have liked him prodding you about your town read on me. Do understand that Giygas accusation on Noonian in #172 was a joke but I find it's the type of statement that scum awkwardly make more often than town do, either way I think I'll be able to get a stronger read on the three of them as the day progresses. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 29 2015 08:53 GiygaS wrote: Irish how much have you played forum mafia outside TL? Upwards of 50 forum mafia games though I'm mostly used to day phases that last 2 weeks and not 48 hours. My turn to ask a question? How exactly does that influence your read on me and how would it have differed if I was much less experienced? | ||
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Irishbound
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@Glowing - I don't make anything of NM's opening in #194 at all, is your "I like this opening" in an alignment indicative sense or just find it enjoyable? Kind of hard to tell from what you wrote. @NM - I am well aware of the definition of "Anti-Town", what I liked was the speed of Noons reaction towards Glowings comment (The difference between it being posted and his response was 1 minute) which fits more with a natural townie reaction towards the comment being "That's going to hurt us" one and while I don't doubt that it's fake-able for mafia to do that I just find that mafia are more likely to think through the post or it's consequences more there. Again it's not a strong town read but out of everything that had occurred at the time it's only town read I had. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 29 2015 09:33 NocturneMage wrote:Looking at Scott's comment, he's just saying I agree. Does he try to make anything of it? If he was pushing an agenda, I'd argue he was mafia of it. The tone behind that comment is light enough to me (wording: haven't you learned Bear, although this is also me knowing that Scott will call him MafiaBear or Bear or whatever) on a comment I felt could have come from anywhere. I see what you mean by possibly an easy entrance though and how that point can make sense from your perspective. The other thing I don't understand is why you are equating the joke statement as awkward. Is this based on some of the places where you've placed mafia from or....? His agreement with Nooni (and it being the only thing inside his post) means that there's even more focus on Glowing due to it, that's something that has scum motivation behind it since it a) Allows him to enter the thread in a fairly easy manner and not make a lot of ripples and b) Allows him to help dictate where early focus is, that's my concern with his post there. As for Giyga joke being awkward that's actually ridiculously hard to put into words but I'll give it a go; I think some players will make joke type posts regardless of alignment so them making a joke alone doesn't mean a whole lot but I do find that the phrasing or context of the joke occasionally is different as mafia, there's a more forced element behind the posting? Giygas post came across that way to me and while it's not a strong enough thing that I'd lynch or vote on alone it does mean that I will focus slightly more on combing over his future posts. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 29 2015 10:13 NocturneMage wrote:Did you make anything out of GigyaS third post or not really? If you're referring to this post of his then not really. I did like him admitting that his initial post was somewhat forced in his following posts but I really want to see more stances from him, he's not really taken many thus far which is problematic. On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote:Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right  You get a townlean for this Irish. You're going to have to explain this for me in more detail because I find it really hard to believe you've read this thread properly and kept the assumption that I'm a "newb", there's even a discussion that's gone down with how many games I've played (And it was on page 10, the page you're claiming to have finished) so your reasoning for town reading me here comes across as very fake. | ||
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Irishbound
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I'm fairly confident that Nocturnal is town, the manner that he's scumhunting and looking into posts / questioning and prodding people comes across very natural, I can follow his thought process very well. Still think Glowing and Noon are probably town though admittedly those are weaker reads in comparison. Really don't like any of Scotts catch up at all and actually think there's a very decent chance he's mafia here, went into it above but there's no way he can consider me as a newb or town read me on the basis of inexperience if he's read the thread properly which suggests either a) He skimmed the thread when catching up (Which mafia are generally more likely to do) or b) He did notice when reading that I was experienced elsewhere and didn't bother to update his post with it (Which again is something that makes sense for mafia to do, town reevaluate thoughts on new information, mafia just type a post to seem like they're doing something). Either way I'm happy to drop a vote down now: Vote: Scott | ||
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Irishbound
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@Fidei - I'm not really sure how you were "meta town reading Scott" when a) You haven't seen him scum play before and b) You've stated that his play in his town games wasn't the same in all three. Can you explain that to me a little more please? I'm strongly against policy lynching, it's far better to aim to hit scum (And I strongly disagree with the "It's so hard to hit scum D1, I've hit scum D1 in close to 60% of games) and don't like that Noons first content post after stating he was catching up was requesting a policy lynch here especially since I'd consider Onegu a really really easy push for scum when it sounds like he 'trolls/puts little effort in', the fact there's really no stance on anyone or attempt to scumhunt and is putting it of to D2 is something I don't like at all, especially from an experienced player, my town read there is completely dead. Really liked Mdergs reaction towards Noon pushing the PL in this post, in fact all of his posts from onward when looking at them in ISO match my thoughts very closely and the "I think these 2 people are avoiding each other" in this post is a very strong scum tell, it's common for townies to have crack pot scum-team theories early on and attempt to notice how interactions affect each other whereas it's not something that scum think of naturally or consider faking often. On December 30 2015 03:02 GlowingBear wrote:Are you sure you're not Foolishness? ??? | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 30 2015 11:09 Irishbound wrote: and the "I think these 2 people are avoiding each other" in this post is a very strong scum tell, it's common for townies to have crack pot scum-team theories early on and attempt to notice how interactions affect each other whereas it's not something that scum think of naturally or consider faking often. Italicized should be very strong town tell. | ||
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Irishbound
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a) In the pregame he stated that he was looking forward to playing with Onegu here, it's not impossible that it was him being sarcastic but it does make his attempt to policy lynch Onegu based on nearly nothing inside this thread look very scum motivated. b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott. c) Strongly dislike the fact that he's not attempted to scumhunt at all throughout this day phase and is attempting to state he won't do so until D2, that makes sense coming from scum thinking he's able to coast a day phase without any risk himself. Alright I'll continue catching up an then I'll post my reads line. | ||
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I still find Kmatts explanationn behind his initial case on Glowing inside this post to make a lot of sense despite the fact that I disagree with it's conclusion and his stance that "He's not sure an experienced mafia would make a mistake that a scrub could catch" in this post comes across as a genuine consideration, also liked his response towards Cows scum read on him here, leaning town on him but it's not as strong as some of my other town reads. | ||
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@NM - I consider policy lynching and policy lynching while not scumhunting and intentionally stating you won't really participate until D2 entirely different things, the first is annoying but may be null for some players, the second is a scum tell since they're attempting to use something like that to minimise the amount of game related posting they're doing. | ||
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Irishbound
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Irishbound
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On December 30 2015 11:18 Irishbound wrote:b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott. | ||
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Irishbound
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Town]-- Nocturne - Mderg ---- Kmatt -- TheCow - Shape ----- [Fidei ∙ Onegu ] ---- Giyga - Noon ----- Scott -----[Scum] | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 30 2015 12:33 NocturneMage wrote:I think the lynch list needs to be somewhere in this: Noon/GB/Scott I'd add Giyga and still need to get through a GB ISO but otherwise this is exactly where my head is at, still feel most confident about Scott being mafia here and would prefer his lynch inside the pool though. | ||
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Irishbound
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Don't like Scotts pop in post with little to no content other than him town reading Noonan for something nonsensical, he seems experienced enough to have seen scum white knight a player before. The fact that they're both town reading each other for shotty reasoning is a massive massive red flag. So pretty much I'm confident that NM, Mderg and TheCow are town, decently confident that Kmatt and Shape are also town. Don't really have a read on Glowing, Fidei or Onegu and want to lynch inside Scott/Noon/Giyga in descending order of preference. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 30 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:The fact that I believe kush is likely to be town and that scott is impossible to know right now makes me want to lynch you very hard. Explain both stances here for me particularly the "Scott is impossible to know" one since I don't think there's any way you can really believe that if you've read the thread properly. | ||
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Irishbound
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Irishbound
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I won't be around for deadline as well, I'm not in the same country as the rest of you and I'll be on my way to work when it hits, heading to bed in about a hour, will check this before then but likely leaving my vote on Scott, really would like if people could reread him as well as my qualms with him and join me on him. Do agree with Snape that Scotts Giygas vote is even worse considering he's done the same thing he's voting Giyga for and the fact that it looks like trying to just jump on others scum leans on Giyga. | ||
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Irishbound
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I like the detail and analysis in Fideis big read post here, there are several reads I disagree with but I can follow most of his reasoning, I still think Mderg should qualify to be in his town section given what he stated and don't really like the placement/stance on Scott. I hate not lynching someone because it doesn't give enough "information", that's one of my biggest pet peeves, you aim for scum, putting rules on what type of scum you're willing to lynch incentives lurking for scum. Going to continue catching up. | ||
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Irishbound
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Didn't like Noons reaction to Onegu at all in this post, felt like pandering to Onegu when it looks like the policy lynch won't occur - the fact his vote is still on him while stating all of this is even worse. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Kmatt today and no one else. And I'm not voting Kmatt, I can somewhat understand your point on him but I've also seen newbtown players weaken/pursue a read less as town because they're told by others that they don't agree with the read and that's what's happened here. His reasoning behind suspecting you DOES make sense. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 31 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote:Nobody disagreed with his read on Giygas. If he wants to lynch someone other than scott he lynches his main scum read 100% of the times especially if his scum read is the second wagon. It makes no sense to suddenly deciding to lynch me. 0 sense. You've got it the wrong way round. The read that people were disagreeing with him about was on you, not Giyga. You can notice the progression behind his reads in the below posts, him not wanting to lynch someone that'll give us minimal information would also apply to Giyga (It's a bad way to vote, that's something I'll agree with you on but it's not an unfathomable one from a newer player as town). On December 30 2015 09:25 Kmatt wrote:Well you're right that I haven't gone hard on anyone yet. While I still believe there's not enough evidence to properly decide now, reading through the filters will probably give me enough to make my choice come tomorrow. For now I'm probably gonna vote GB or Giygas. On December 30 2015 09:43 Kmatt wrote: I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said: ##vote GiygaS On December 30 2015 23:30 Kmatt wrote: Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock). However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me. More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him. ##unvote GiygaS ##vote GlowingBear | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 31 2015 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:I would never hard align myself with scott this way if I was Mafia with him. Literally never. But do as you please, as long as you read my scum reads and lynxh them after I flip Then if you're town stop being nonsensical, you've got absolutely no reason to town read Scott whatsoever, you acknowledge as much, you've got town reads on lots of other players thereby by process of elimination alone he's a decent chance of being mafia for you so you taking the stance "I've promised myself not to lynch him" doesn't add up. Again you're disregarding his actions as "null" for a meta reason that doesn't flow, what about his meta makes his really weak and incorrect reasoning for town reading Noon and myself null? What about his meta means that where he does focus doesn't look like scumhunting but rather quoting random sections? | ||
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On December 31 2015 04:08 GlowingBear wrote:Irish, he even said he dropped his scum read on me. It doesn't make any sense to say to NOT vote scott to vote ME (I wasnt a wagon) when his main scum read was the second wagon!!! He believes that we shouldn't be lynching players with little content as it doesn't provide us with much information to work with regardless of their flip, do I agree that's a good way to play? No, absolutely not. Do I think that's impossible heck even unlikely to come from newer town? No. If he believes that low content lynches are bad then him ruling both Scott and Giyga makes sense which only leaves you as the scum read he's had throughout the game that's been active so I really don't see this big scum tell you're making out his vote on you to be. | ||
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Irishbound
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And again cookies for those who join me on Scott. On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. /Headdesk. | ||
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Irishbound
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Worst part is as frustrating and idiotic as your interaction with me here it's actually making me lean town on you. Oh and before I go for lols I'll take an early punt at the scum team, Scott-Noon-Fidei. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 31 2015 04:21 GlowingBear wrote: Kush and fidei are probably town It should be clear that Kmatt is Mafia right now So you think Onegu is town? Mderg also? Yes, I've got a town read on Onegus reaction towards Fideis post, it's not a particularly strong one but not even remotely interested in lynching there. I do have a very strong town read on Mderg, his reads and thoughts mirror mine when catching up quite often, I can understand his reasoning behind almost all of his reads, I'd almost bet the entire game on him being town. Want to make an agreement Glowing? We lynch Scott today, if he's mafia like I expect you let me tell you where to put your vote tomorrow, if he flips town you can tell me where to place mine. | ||
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Irishbound
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On December 31 2015 04:28 GlowingBear wrote: We can do the opposite instead. You lynch Kmatt, if he flips town my vote is yours to use No thanks, I've actually got a town read on Kmatt whereas you don't have a town read on Scott, there's also the fact that Scotts the leading wagon at the moment. And with that I'm out, I'll try and check this on my phone on my way to work if I get a chance. Vote Scott 4 Cookies. | ||
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Irishbound
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Really only happy with a Scott or Noon Lynch today. | ||
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Going to try and use the next 48 hours to reread and reasses. | ||
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