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Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 17 2015 07:48 GMT
#13
If I've had plenty of mafia experience (Played for several years with well over 50 completed forum games) elsewhere but never at TL should I be inning as a Newbie or in the 'Open' category?
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 20 2015 00:37 GMT
#40
On December 17 2015 23:39 kitaman27 wrote:As a side note, the game would likely start quicker if you filled a newbie slot

Fair point.

/In as Newbie.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 28 2015 22:29 GMT
#176
I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.

Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.

I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.

@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting?
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 28 2015 23:36 GMT
#181
On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.

Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name?

And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 28 2015 23:52 GMT
#185
On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:What exactly you didn't like about their openings?


I didn't like Scott bandwagoning with Nonians comment in #167, it's also a very easy way for scum to enter into the thread, quite a similar concern with Mdergs #168 although I have liked him prodding you about your town read on me. Do understand that Giygas accusation on Noonian in #172 was a joke but I find it's the type of statement that scum awkwardly make more often than town do, either way I think I'll be able to get a stronger read on the three of them as the day progresses.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 29 2015 00:02 GMT
#190
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening?

On December 29 2015 08:53 GiygaS wrote:
Irish how much have you played forum mafia outside TL?

Upwards of 50 forum mafia games though I'm mostly used to day phases that last 2 weeks and not 48 hours. My turn to ask a question? How exactly does that influence your read on me and how would it have differed if I was much less experienced?
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 29 2015 00:47 GMT
#205
@Kmatt - Thanks for your elaboration on your Glowing scum lean, I don't agree with it at all but I can at least understand it now. I think being "helpful" in that manner is more playstyle based combined with the being a newbie game and don't think it's an issue, if anything the phrasing behind his town read on me "You're the quickest town read I've ever had" actually came across as genuine and am leaning town on him at the moment.

@Glowing - I don't make anything of NM's opening in #194 at all, is your "I like this opening" in an alignment indicative sense or just find it enjoyable? Kind of hard to tell from what you wrote.

@NM - I am well aware of the definition of "Anti-Town", what I liked was the speed of Noons reaction towards Glowings comment (The difference between it being posted and his response was 1 minute) which fits more with a natural townie reaction towards the comment being "That's going to hurt us" one and while I don't doubt that it's fake-able for mafia to do that I just find that mafia are more likely to think through the post or it's consequences more there. Again it's not a strong town read but out of everything that had occurred at the time it's only town read I had.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 29 2015 00:53 GMT
#207
On December 29 2015 09:33 NocturneMage wrote:Looking at Scott's comment, he's just saying I agree. Does he try to make anything of it? If he was pushing an agenda, I'd argue he was mafia of it. The tone behind that comment is light enough to me (wording: haven't you learned Bear, although this is also me knowing that Scott will call him MafiaBear or Bear or whatever) on a comment I felt could have come from anywhere. I see what you mean by possibly an easy entrance though and how that point can make sense from your perspective. The other thing I don't understand is why you are equating the joke statement as awkward. Is this based on some of the places where you've placed mafia from or....?

His agreement with Nooni (and it being the only thing inside his post) means that there's even more focus on Glowing due to it, that's something that has scum motivation behind it since it a) Allows him to enter the thread in a fairly easy manner and not make a lot of ripples and b) Allows him to help dictate where early focus is, that's my concern with his post there.

As for Giyga joke being awkward that's actually ridiculously hard to put into words but I'll give it a go; I think some players will make joke type posts regardless of alignment so them making a joke alone doesn't mean a whole lot but I do find that the phrasing or context of the joke occasionally is different as mafia, there's a more forced element behind the posting? Giygas post came across that way to me and while it's not a strong enough thing that I'd lynch or vote on alone it does mean that I will focus slightly more on combing over his future posts.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 29 2015 07:40 GMT
#235
On December 29 2015 10:13 NocturneMage wrote:Did you make anything out of GigyaS third post or not really?

If you're referring to this post of his then not really. I did like him admitting that his initial post was somewhat forced in his following posts but I really want to see more stances from him, he's not really taken many thus far which is problematic.

On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote:Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right You get a townlean for this Irish.

You're going to have to explain this for me in more detail because I find it really hard to believe you've read this thread properly and kept the assumption that I'm a "newb", there's even a discussion that's gone down with how many games I've played (And it was on page 10, the page you're claiming to have finished) so your reasoning for town reading me here comes across as very fake.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 29 2015 07:58 GMT
#236
@Shape - I've explained my issue with Giygas post as much as I can really. What content specifically are you waiting for and what's stopping you from getting reads from what's been posted thus far?

I'm fairly confident that Nocturnal is town, the manner that he's scumhunting and looking into posts / questioning and prodding people comes across very natural, I can follow his thought process very well. Still think Glowing and Noon are probably town though admittedly those are weaker reads in comparison.

Really don't like any of Scotts catch up at all and actually think there's a very decent chance he's mafia here, went into it above but there's no way he can consider me as a newb or town read me on the basis of inexperience if he's read the thread properly which suggests either a) He skimmed the thread when catching up (Which mafia are generally more likely to do) or b) He did notice when reading that I was experienced elsewhere and didn't bother to update his post with it (Which again is something that makes sense for mafia to do, town reevaluate thoughts on new information, mafia just type a post to seem like they're doing something). Either way I'm happy to drop a vote down now:

Vote: Scott
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 29 2015 11:27 GMT
#242
@Fiedei - Snapes pregame posts inside the thread were very similar in that he'd post a lot with not much of it being particularly game related, think it's just a playstyle type thing for him. Can you explain your town read on Scott for me as well as comment on what about my scum-read on him you disagree with please.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:09 GMT
#395
In the process of catching up.

@Fidei - I'm not really sure how you were "meta town reading Scott" when a) You haven't seen him scum play before and b) You've stated that his play in his town games wasn't the same in all three. Can you explain that to me a little more please?

I'm strongly against policy lynching, it's far better to aim to hit scum (And I strongly disagree with the "It's so hard to hit scum D1, I've hit scum D1 in close to 60% of games) and don't like that Noons first content post after stating he was catching up was requesting a policy lynch here especially since I'd consider Onegu a really really easy push for scum when it sounds like he 'trolls/puts little effort in', the fact there's really no stance on anyone or attempt to scumhunt and is putting it of to D2 is something I don't like at all, especially from an experienced player, my town read there is completely dead.

Really liked Mdergs reaction towards Noon pushing the PL in this post, in fact all of his posts from onward when looking at them in ISO match my thoughts very closely and the "I think these 2 people are avoiding each other" in this post is a very strong scum tell, it's common for townies to have crack pot scum-team theories early on and attempt to notice how interactions affect each other whereas it's not something that scum think of naturally or consider faking often.

On December 30 2015 03:02 GlowingBear wrote:Are you sure you're not Foolishness?

???
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:11 GMT
#396
On December 30 2015 11:09 Irishbound wrote: and the "I think these 2 people are avoiding each other" in this post is a very strong scum tell, it's common for townies to have crack pot scum-team theories early on and attempt to notice how interactions affect each other whereas it's not something that scum think of naturally or consider faking often.

Italicized should be very strong town tell.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:18 GMT
#399
I'll summarise the issues I have with Noon:

a) In the pregame he stated that he was looking forward to playing with Onegu here, it's not impossible that it was him being sarcastic but it does make his attempt to policy lynch Onegu based on nearly nothing inside this thread look very scum motivated. b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott. c) Strongly dislike the fact that he's not attempted to scumhunt at all throughout this day phase and is attempting to state he won't do so until D2, that makes sense coming from scum thinking he's able to coast a day phase without any risk himself.

Alright I'll continue catching up an then I'll post my reads line.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:25 GMT
#402
@TheCow - I'll need you to explain a few things for me; 1) Given that you're aware your secondary scum read has two votes on them and your initial one has none why didn't you vote Scott and ensure that a scum read of yours has a higher chance of getting lynched? 2) Can you explain your conflicted reads on myself and GB in some detail for me and 3) What makes you not trust your ability to read Fidelis and Onegu?
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:38 GMT
#408
Don't like the fact that there's still absolutely no content from Giyga whatsoever, also don't like the fact that he really only looks comfortable in the thread when he wasn't talking about game related things.

I still find Kmatts explanationn behind his initial case on Glowing inside this post to make a lot of sense despite the fact that I disagree with it's conclusion and his stance that "He's not sure an experienced mafia would make a mistake that a scrub could catch" in this post comes across as a genuine consideration, also liked his response towards Cows scum read on him here, leaning town on him but it's not as strong as some of my other town reads.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:47 GMT
#414
Since there seems to be some confusion about it the issue with Scott isn't his inactivity exactly, from what's been described of his meta thus far that alone isn't a strong alignment tell (Although the fact the inactivity did come after he started getting pressured is still probably a weak scum tell), the real issue is what's inside his post, I elaborated on that in this post and this post but boils down to a) His comment directed towards GB doesn't really make sense since GB only stated 1 town read then, b) His reasoning behind town reading me doesn't stand up if he's read the parts of the thread he claims he had and c) His focus inside that post containing NM's RVS joke vote points doesn't come across as scumhunting at all but merely picking random things to comment on.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 02:55 GMT
#416
@NM - I've just finished going through Fideis ISO and have literally no read on him at all, you've got some meta experience with him from what his posts suggest, what's your read on him at the moment (With some reasoning please)?
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 03:09 GMT
#423
Going through Shapes ISO was painful, really need to get down on the spam posting or this'll become impossible to keep up with as the game progresses. Really like the explanation behind the Mderg town read inside this post from him and his frustration re; early town reads comes across as genuine, especially when the town read is on himself in this post. I also liked his reaction towards Noons suggestion of PLing in this post, leaning town on him.

@NM - I consider policy lynching and policy lynching while not scumhunting and intentionally stating you won't really participate until D2 entirely different things, the first is annoying but may be null for some players, the second is a scum tell since they're attempting to use something like that to minimise the amount of game related posting they're doing.
Irishbound
Profile Joined December 2015
42 Posts
December 30 2015 03:12 GMT
#424
@TheCow - Thanks for the answers Cow, can understand 1) and 3) very much so and find the stance on Fidelis to actually come across as very genuine (I can relate to always finding particular playstyles more scummy). I do need you to elaborate on 2) for me though, I need more specific details about that. Can you explain what made you have me as a scum-read and what changed that read, can you also explain where GB has been "anti-town" without referring to his first opening line.
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