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sicklucker
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kitaman27
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Whelp this one cuts the pool in half. On November 02 2015 17:29 Rels wrote: Weird that it took kita 1 hour to answer this question, which was asked to him only a few minutes after his opening post. I think it is more likely a town player would jump on something like this, than a mafia player trying to paint me as suspicious for something so innocent. On November 02 2015 19:17 Rels wrote: LOL you have 4 different names in the database Suggests he is actually looking at database games. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote: OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare". 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarish Conclusion That is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. Suggests he is looking into superbia's motivations and is bothered by contradictions. On November 03 2015 01:25 Rels wrote: This. Please comment. On November 03 2015 01:24 Rels wrote: Man EVERYBODY was up my ass when I was attacking Superbia; but I do one formal post resuming it, and nobody comments on it. Suggests that he cares about pushing things that he finds suspicious, rather than pumping out content for the sake of looking good. On November 03 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: On the other hand, I have no idea why the fuck kitaman would know anything from my scum play. Where did he say that ? He brings this up several times after the day one events. Seems like honest concern for a player who he already shared town reads about. On November 04 2015 01:29 Rels wrote: Yes of course it's a dumb thing to do. I think you should have not say anything and waited to see what rayn would have done tomorrow though. Seems like a reasonable post from someone suspicious of rayn. On November 04 2015 01:38 Rels wrote: Shockey, I can't see any scum motivation to play the way he does; having odd reads that completely differs from the thread sentiment, and defending them to the point of getting scumread for it. Passes on a very easy scum read to make with Shockeyy. Contrarian views usually point to townie. On November 05 2015 07:17 Rels wrote: Xatalos' average filter length per game Average page / phase as town: 10.19 Average page / phase as mafia: 2.51 This game: 11 pages in almost a phase OK I think it's pretty clear. p: Makes a decent effort post that enhances the credibility of a player who he probably would want to oppose from a scum standpoint at this point in the game, unless they are buddies. + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2015 18:57 Rels wrote: You have any post from them saying that ? Cause I had the same feeling, but from HTS: She justified this by saying "there's plenty to suggest Xatalos/rayn are town". She explained that for rayn, but when I made my filter length analysis on Xata she posted this: To which I answer: Since then, she doesn't do any analysis on Xata, but somehow he's so confirmed town that you have to be the scum if the mission fail. Actually, let me check her read progression. Null / will review Looking town Not the towniest but town Town but not town enough to be on her team No issue with Xata's explanations on the choice of the team Xatalos being third towniest at 7/10 Pretty sure Xata is not scum fooling us Xata is confirmed town so SL will be obvious scum if the mission fail Somehow Xata went from "I think he's town" to "he's so conf town SL will be scum if the missions fails". Especially, she said an easy way to confirm Xata would be to make a meta analysis on how shallow his reads are; she didn't do it, but Xata is somehow confirmed town in her mind. Suggests he is reading and analyzing stuff On November 06 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: Like I'm thinking about this game all the time, trying to solve it. I just love that feeling of thinking about something new that make sense  lol seems genuine. Maybe I fall for things like these too easy :p On November 06 2015 18:13 Rels wrote: Suuuuper interesting! With such a close vote, we'll have a lot of infos depending on how the team does. Let's see. If the team pass there are two solutions: - it's a clean team; then there have to be 2 mafias in Shockey / kita / Superbia. Maybe 3, but it's possible one mafia went for the towncred instead if he thought the team would pass even if he voted no; since in this case, he's not on the team, it would be HTS or Arta. Given how HTS posted about her opinions on the vote, I don't see her voting "yes" in that situation when she had the perfect opportunity to vote "no" to a clean team. So if one mafia voted "yes" to a clean team, it would be Arta. - there is 1 (or more) scum in the team but he didn't make the mission failed: unlikely. The goal of the game is to win three missions for both team; exchanging town cred for 1 failure out of 3 doesn't seem to be worth it. It that happens, I think it makes Artanis town, since the plan would be to make Arta pick the same team + himself, fail the mission, and put the blame on him. So if the team passes the mission, then fails the next with SL / rayn / Xata / Arta, it probably means Arta's alignment will be determinent to solving the game; it's either Arta being mafia going for the towncred; or Arta being town on which mafia are trying to put the blame. Figuring this out in this case will be crucial. If the team passes the mission, then passes the next with SL / rayn / Xata / Arta, there are all town and the game is won. That would be cool. (= If the team fails: There is one confirmed mafia in Xata / rayn / SL, maybe 2. There has to be at least 2 mafias in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, probably 3 since, as said above, the towncred lost by voting a failure team is more than compensated by the 1 win out of 3 needed. That doesn't apply if one scum thought the team would pass even if he voted "no" though. That's where I'm at. Not going further until tomorrow. Suggests genuine excitement with an attempt to solve things. On November 12 2015 02:43 Rels wrote: I'm too lazy to do any reread right now since we could also have won already p: Heh I was thinking the same thing. Other random tidbits -Frequently changes his reads at different points of the game, which suggests he is considering new information, rather than sticking to tunnels -Picks a battle with rayn early on who is widely viewed as town. Has the opportunity to tunnel rayn, yet considers the alternative at most spots. -Posts are mostly logical without baseless assumptions He does buddy me a ton this game, but I sure am a sucker for buddying. XD Eliminated Combinations: ShoCkeyy Rels sicklucker Rels Artanis[Xp] Xatalos Rels Artanis[Xp] sicklucker Rels Xatalos Vivax Rels Vivax sicklucker Combinations Remaining: ShoCkeyy Xatalos Vivax ShoCkeyy Vivax sicklucker Half the Sky Xatalos Vivax Half the Sky Vivax sicklucker Artanis[Xp] Xatalos Vivax Artanis[Xp] Vivax sicklucker Based on this assumption, it would mean that Vivax is mafia. I'll need to re-read the thread tomorrow from that perspective to make sure I haven't slipped up anywhere and to see if it leads to any other relationships. | ||
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Vivax
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There's no voting analysis in there, you just jump from conclusion to conclusion cementing everything with a bit of reasoning to make it fit into a scenario where I'm scum. But the reasoning The general idea is that posting your reasoning is townie but I don't think it's that easy. Too many mafias were able to post a lot in my past games. The quality of your post isn't the quantity, it's getting to the right conclusions with few arguments which make sense. And you arrive at a conclusion with me mafia which seems to have represnted the general idea even before the mission failed, which completely ignores my play and superbia's (who in my opinion was very townie as the game started and I hoped that would be obvious). Also your arguments in this game show that you put in a ton of caveats. It's like you have a hard time believing your own arguments. "Seems; unless they are buddies; I think x but I don't know if x". Oh and what I mentioned about your first posts in the game? You were totally evasive of the xata superbia exchange and when being asked about it you gave a rather meaningless answer and then started talking about rnging game outcomes, which read very pseudo-helpful to-me. So I guess I made my thoughts on you known without filling two pages with iterations. | ||
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On November 12 2015 18:52 sicklucker wrote: hey vivax can you explain why you voted yes on that last mission? I already did before it started and if that's not enough for you, tough titties. You can go read it instead of asking me dumb questions 2 days after I explained it. | ||
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On November 12 2015 18:54 Vivax wrote: I already did before it started and if that's not enough for you, tough titties. You can go read it instead of asking me dumb questions 2 days after I explained it. or you can summarize it for me. like my town circle already has auto I dont really care if you dont want to enter it | ||
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Vivax
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I can not figure out why you'd ask me that now, it's just unspecific and easy to check by yourself. | ||
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Like its your first day in the game you should be no voting pretty much everything to get more information. but you vote yes? You town read rayn sure. you kind of townread rels sure. This could easily be to suit your need to vote yes tho. But 0 mention of kita Like you shouldnt be voting yes if you have no read on kita | ||
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"'m vigilant about kita as he's one of the people I can get really paranoid about. I have a history of reading him correctly too so until I get to do that and given that his first posts in the game didn't really scream town to me, I'd prefer to not have him on a mission for now." so why did you vote yes? | ||
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Vivax
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On November 12 2015 19:03 sicklucker wrote: ok so i acualy read your filter. What I learned from it is that you had no read on kita but voted yes on the mission anyway.. Like its your first day in the game you should be no voting pretty much everything to get more information. but you vote yes? You town read rayn sure. you kind of townread rels sure. This could easily be to suit your need to vote yes tho. But 0 mention of kita Like you shouldnt be voting yes if you have no read on kita And I should be voting yes when I want to see if it applies that all the spies voted yes on the sabotaged Xata mission, cause that's what rayn also thought. Anything outside that would have been a gimmicky choice. Attacking my reads when I replace in and focus on finding a townie to sheep and making my decision by votes is an attempt at a low blow to discredit me. I naturally will attempt to gain reads where I can but until I find more time to dedicate to the game like it was the case on this team (which btw would have passed anyway), I won't immediately make my reads the pillar of my decisions. I still think it was a good play cause I wasn't 100% sure my kita paranoia was justified, but felt sure rayn was town and hoped he'd have picked the right combination, which on top of it consisted of people who voted NO to Xatas team. | ||
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But your probably dumb enough to do it, so you better play really well because you dug yourself in a hole | ||
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Vivax
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Now I'm reasonably sure you're mafia for that nitpicking which is off in timing (you could have asked me that two days ago or just read my filter) and argument (hurr you were unsure on kita and I don't care about any other of the reasons you mentioned for your decision). | ||
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On November 12 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote: I make of the first failed mission that I don't want both of Xata/SL on a mission, and that I'm fine with a team of people who voted no on that mission. We're heading there. I already said I'd look at kita if the mission failed cause I don't trust him for pushing my slot and something about his first post bothering me. L2 read SL. Your argument on me is reaaaally old news. If what you say is supposed to be scummy, it's something you could have said about me two days ago without having to ask me any questions. Pretty bad act from your part, finding a quick shitty reason to join the sentiment against me. | ||
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Oh ya btw I only voted yes because of rayn on that first mission what a good player I am | ||
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