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On October 28 2015 11:44 ritoky wrote:
yeah but he's been soft deflecting off of gb for a while now, and he had that whole "yamato and gb are opposite alignments" thing that was weird but i was like "....ok" and then he rolls out today wanting to lynch onegu. who pretty much every1 who has died town read....it's gone from soft deflecting to pretty hard deflection.
Sorry but your flat out wrong.
Then theres Gb, there may not be any way to avoid lynching him honestly / : so long as players like chrom and rayn are set on Gb, town cant really function. That and I might have just been wrong about him T_T
I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence.
I will say that if Onegu and hopeless arent both scum, then someone here has been playing a really good game. Which means were in trouble ) : If we want a certain lynch, these two would probally be best. But it might too much for town to function until we've cleared Gb so hes the other choice / :
Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first.
Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him.
I have 4 potential scum reads, onegu gb hopeless and one more who I wont lynch until gb dies.
Unless hopeless and onegu are both town, gb dies anyways.
If you want to lynch him today go ahead / : its gonna happen eventually anyways. We wont really be able to effectively consolidate till he flips is my guess.
but your the one who told me that were supposed to lynch scum / : and Onegu seems way scummier than gb, so there ya go.
As for my meta you'll find at least 4 games where I push super hard to get a townie lynched... as town T_T(such as yesterday) and maybe one scum game where I actively do so, but even then to a far lesser extent. Every other scum game I just lurk. If you still think activity is a sign of town, that should be all you need / :
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btw the following teams are impossible
xatalos ritoky
ritoky vivax
ritoky gb
gb vivax
gb xatalos
vivax xat
of any of these teams were a thing, scum wouldn't have shot Rayn / :
carry on.
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On October 28 2015 12:29 gumshoe wrote:
Do you guys really not get the whole Rayn thing?
rayn dying means scum felt they couldn't mislynch him.
scum not bieng able to mislynch him means at least 2 out of three scum are town reading him and to turn around and lynch him for no real reason would be super scummy of them.
Is this really such a stretch?
Basically my argument is that the majority of the scum team couldn't lynch rayn cause they were town reading rayn.
No it's not game ending, but it is useful information to cross refrence with what you all already know.
Def not "gumshoe dafack are you doing" worthy 0_0
Don't think this is necessarily true though. IF scum killed rayn because they didn't think they could mislynch him, it could be because the only people who scumread rayn WERE mafia and there was no town support for it. The exact opposite could be true.
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Blazinghand
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On October 28 2015 12:29 gumshoe wrote:
Do you guys really not get the whole Rayn thing?
rayn dying means scum felt they couldn't mislynch him.
scum not bieng able to mislynch him means at least 2 out of three scum are town reading him and to turn around and lynch him for no real reason would be super scummy of them.
Is this really such a stretch?
Basically my argument is that the majority of the scum team couldn't lynch rayn cause they were town reading rayn.
No it's not game ending, but it is useful information to cross refrence with what you all already know.
Def not "gumshoe dafack are you doing" worthy 0_0
I don't think you're necessarily wrong but imagine this
"scum shot rayn because of the way scum votes were on him-- they realized that it wouldn't be possible to lynch him without at least 3 townies changing from townreading rayn to scumreading him. since this was impossible, there was no way for him to get lynched."
This is a good summary of your thoughts, right?
well this describes pertty well a situation with all scum not voting rayn, but it ALSO describes a situation where scum are voting rayn and literally all townies think he's town. Like, AND AGAIN, I'm not saying this is true, just pointing out the gap in your logic, it's totally possible that someone gets shot and before he was shot scum were trying to push him and town was resisting.
In any case, all of it doesn't matter, it's not a point in 1G's defense that your explanation is quite strange. Like, think about it this way-- the explanation could explain any distribution of scum. In any case, lynch 1G
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If my logic seems a bit strange, let me let you all in on the tale/secret of gumshoe : D
The very first mafia game I played well, I figured out a complex situation that was dividing town. It involved catching scum and fake role claims and nazis and there was sooooo much trashtalk, but the end result? Scum was lynched / : it was the best feeling ever. I solved the mystery and saved the day. Just the day though, we ended up losing soon after when I led town into two consequetive mislynches. Story of the shoe ) :
Every game since though, I have chased that high, that moment of clarity when the seas of logic and empathy part before me to reveal the truth o_o some players just play for the sake of it, but others are chasing a high. Rayn desires the 'proper' game, slam wants to help town by being somewhat silly yet simultaneously wise and insightful, and I want to catch the 'mystery. That might translate into mislynches, bm, and shit play, but its supposed to be just that. Play.
A quest for Fun.
A search for that particular Thrill.
Tldr
If Gumshoe is spending his time chasing wierd fucking theories, dont mind him,hes probably town.
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On October 28 2015 13:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 12:29 gumshoe wrote:
Do you guys really not get the whole Rayn thing?
rayn dying means scum felt they couldn't mislynch him.
scum not bieng able to mislynch him means at least 2 out of three scum are town reading him and to turn around and lynch him for no real reason would be super scummy of them.
Is this really such a stretch?
Basically my argument is that the majority of the scum team couldn't lynch rayn cause they were town reading rayn.
No it's not game ending, but it is useful information to cross refrence with what you all already know.
Def not "gumshoe dafack are you doing" worthy 0_0
I don't think you're necessarily wrong but imagine this "scum shot rayn because of the way scum votes were on him-- they realized that it wouldn't be possible to lynch him without at least 3 townies changing from townreading rayn to scumreading him. since this was impossible, there was no way for him to get lynched." This is a good summary of your thoughts, right? well this describes pertty well a situation with all scum not voting rayn, but it ALSO describes a situation where scum are voting rayn and literally all townies think he's town. Like, AND AGAIN, I'm not saying this is true, just pointing out the gap in your logic, it's totally possible that someone gets shot and before he was shot scum were trying to push him and town was resisting. In any case, all of it doesn't matter, it's not a point in 1G's defense that your explanation is quite strange. Like, think about it this way-- the explanation could explain any distribution of scum. In any case, lynch 1G
Fair enough enough / : lynch the guu.
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so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they?
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Blazinghand
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On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they?
sigh. it's yam/gb again basically in terms of activity making people seem scummier tbh
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also if you can't understand how the following confuses me then i guess we live in different worlds:
gumdrop: "yamato and gb are opposite alignments cuz stuff. let's lynch yamato."
ritoky: "uhhhhh gb is way more scummy, lynch him"
gumdrop: "nah"
yamato lynched -> town
gumdrop: "fuck i was wrong"
next day
gumdrop: "well, stay the course....lynch onegu"
ritoky: "wat? aren't they opposite alignments? why soft deflecting?"
gumdrop: "i am totally not deflecting or defending him at all, he is just 4th on my lynch list"
ritoky: "but he was opposite alignment of town????? that's deflecting"
this is what happened. this is why you confuse me.
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On October 28 2015 13:18 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? sigh. it's yam/gb again basically in terms of activity making people seem scummier tbh
if that's the case 100% of people should be on hopeless instead. i refuse to accept this answer from anyone. if you're judging based on activity then lynch hopeless 0 questions asked. but don't sit here and tell me "onegu scummier than gb" and then give me activity bs.
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i mean i quoted a post from 72 hours ago from GB which had basically 1 town read, and a bunch of null reads, asked him if these are his reads and the guy said "yep" with 0 effort. his only defense is "i am town". like what is wrong with people to not see this shit? can this town not be salvaged?
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On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they?
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
Calls xata 99 percent town / : then flops pretty hard on him just because Xata called him scum(which was fair) and because of his certainty that rayn is town
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata
I am really kinda feeling Xata is scum with hopeless now. Like he was all ok yeah we can lynch him, then no we have to be safe. He really waffled on it and felt really weird to me.
And yes me and hopeless are both scum, that makes perfect sense...
Also if were looking for a reason why the Rayn lynch happened here ya go I guess / :
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.
Anyway I am going to bed.
We should lynch xata or hopeless today.
Does seem super convenient doesnt it Onegu? Also, what alarms is me is the first thing everyone else said when rayn fliped, was basically wtf. Yet Onegu came into thread, not at all suprised, guns fucking blazing with this gem, seems a bit prepared maybe?
Another thing, my read on Rayn literally comes from countless hours playing serious games with him XD, I dont know how much Onegu plays with Rayn, but even I was a bit uncertain here and there / : yet he never wavered? meh, dont particularly buy it.
Also I think hes bussing hopeless (I sure would) but thats just petty suspicion / :
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also every single dead person had a slight TR at least on onegu. rayn TR onegu HARD. marv TR onegu. yamato didn't want to lynch him. slam didn't want to lynch him.....does onegu really kill of every person in the game who doesn't want him dead? like really? is every single one of those players wrong?
i really do not think this lynch should be anywhere near onegu.
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Blazinghand
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On October 28 2015 13:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 13:18 Blazinghand wrote:On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? sigh. it's yam/gb again basically in terms of activity making people seem scummier tbh if that's the case 100% of people should be on hopeless instead. i refuse to accept this answer from anyone. if you're judging based on activity then lynch hopeless 0 questions asked. but don't sit here and tell me "onegu scummier than gb" and then give me activity bs.
i'm like pretty sure the scumteam is gb 1g h1 so i'm not too worried, but tell you what, at the end of the day, if my vote makes the difference, I'll be here.
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Blazinghand
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like, fine. I will go and reread GB and see if I am fine with lynching him first and i'll let you know
after dinner
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On October 28 2015 13:30 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? Show nested quote +Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. Calls xata 99 percent town / : then flops pretty hard on him just because Xata called him scum(which was fair) and because of his certainty that rayn is townShow nested quote +Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata
Show nested quote +I am really kinda feeling Xata is scum with hopeless now. Like he was all ok yeah we can lynch him, then no we have to be safe. He really waffled on it and felt really weird to me.
And yes me and hopeless are both scum, that makes perfect sense...
Also if were looking for a reason why the Rayn lynch happened here ya go I guess / : Show nested quote +
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.
Anyway I am going to bed.
We should lynch xata or hopeless today.
Does seem super convenient doesnt it Onegu? Also, what alarms is me is the first thing everyone else said when rayn fliped, was basically wtf. Yet Onegu came into thread, not at all suprised, guns fucking blazing with this gem, seems a bit prepared maybe? Another thing, my read on Rayn literally comes from countless hours playing serious games with him XD, I dont know how much Onegu plays with Rayn, but even I was a bit uncertain here and there / : yet he never wavered? meh, dont particularly buy it. Also I think hes bussing hopeless (I sure would) but thats just petty suspicion / :
i have had a mild town read on xata all game and i woke up after that kill seriously considering lynching him. am i mafia?
this is not convincing to me in the slightest.
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On October 28 2015 13:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 13:18 Blazinghand wrote:On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? sigh. it's yam/gb again basically in terms of activity making people seem scummier tbh if that's the case 100% of people should be on hopeless instead. i refuse to accept this answer from anyone. if you're judging based on activity then lynch hopeless 0 questions asked. but don't sit here and tell me "onegu scummier than gb" and then give me activity bs.
sure lynch hopeless, I dont particularly care about the order man, as I doubt there arent 2-3 scum between them and its unlikely well get through the game without lynching all of them. Theres a good chance were arguing over nothing here but if you really really want to lynch gb or hopeless over 1gu, be my guest. I dont really wanna spend time arguing over what smells worse between trash and used condoms /  i would like to think its the condoms)
My lynches for the next 4 days are basically locked so none of this really matters in my opinion. I'm just going for the person I feel are the scummiest atm, but if I had something REALLY concrete I woulda brought it up by now.
Also My lynches are based way more on who I consider town to be honest (there are 4 people that I just flat out dont plan on lynching this game, barring something crazy), as my scum reading is historically kinda shit / :
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On October 28 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 13:30 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. Calls xata 99 percent town / : then flops pretty hard on him just because Xata called him scum(which was fair) and because of his certainty that rayn is townNope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata
I am really kinda feeling Xata is scum with hopeless now. Like he was all ok yeah we can lynch him, then no we have to be safe. He really waffled on it and felt really weird to me.
And yes me and hopeless are both scum, that makes perfect sense...
Also if were looking for a reason why the Rayn lynch happened here ya go I guess / :
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.
Anyway I am going to bed.
We should lynch xata or hopeless today.
Does seem super convenient doesnt it Onegu? Also, what alarms is me is the first thing everyone else said when rayn fliped, was basically wtf. Yet Onegu came into thread, not at all suprised, guns fucking blazing with this gem, seems a bit prepared maybe? Another thing, my read on Rayn literally comes from countless hours playing serious games with him XD, I dont know how much Onegu plays with Rayn, but even I was a bit uncertain here and there / : yet he never wavered? meh, dont particularly buy it. Also I think hes bussing hopeless (I sure would) but thats just petty suspicion / : i have had a mild town read on xata all game and i woke up after that kill seriously considering lynching him. am i mafia? this is not convincing to me in the slightest.
yes, but your first post wasnt "lynch xata now"
its was
well that's a kill...
because that lynch was really fucking unexpected.
Onegu wasnt suprised / : hence I think he knew, hence maybe hes scum, convincing? Not particularly, but neither is the argument that Xata is playing a super slick scum game and decided to draw heat towards himself by shooting rayn for no fucking reason.
What a dumb fucking consideration.
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the only real reason i think xata is town is activity.
tbh i reviewed a lot of his filter, and he is basically a whirling dervish. he just sits there spinning calling all people who call him mafia or any LHF mafia. if you go read it you might be surprised by this. i noticed it when i started to slightly doubt him and then he was like "ritoky might be mafia for dropoff" which was horseshit cuz he had just been talking to me. after reviewing i actually don't think he has much to call him independently town for and i am highly considering voting him today.....cuz unlike you i am not content with that list....rayn kill wants to lull town to sleep on that list imo.
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Blazinghand
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On October 28 2015 13:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 13:22 ritoky wrote:On October 28 2015 13:18 Blazinghand wrote:On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote:
so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? sigh. it's yam/gb again basically in terms of activity making people seem scummier tbh if that's the case 100% of people should be on hopeless instead. i refuse to accept this answer from anyone. if you're judging based on activity then lynch hopeless 0 questions asked. but don't sit here and tell me "onegu scummier than gb" and then give me activity bs. sure lynch hopeless, I dont particularly care about the order man, as I doubt there arent 2-3 scum between them and its unlikely well get through the game without lynching all of them. Theres a good chance were arguing over nothing here but if you really really want to lynch gb or hopeless over 1gu, be my guest. I dont really wanna spend time arguing over what smells worse between trash and used condoms / i would like to think its the condoms) My lynches for the next 4 days are basically locked so none of this really matters in my opinion. I'm just going for the person I feel are the scummiest atm, but if I had something REALLY concrete I woulda brought it up by now. Also My lynches are based way more on who I consider town to be honest (there are 4 people that I just flat out dont plan on lynching this game, barring something crazy), as my scum reading is historically kinda shit / :
yeah at some level I feel like we're arguing gray vs grey here, we're probably lynching all three anyways
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