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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:40 GMT
#2721
i think i might just make up my mind this phase and yolo tunnel vision it super hardcore stylez.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 28 2015 00:41 GMT
#2722
On October 28 2015 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
and I am not asking for thier specific reason, just the truth that naturally goes along with thier shot

They shot rayn, which obviously means what?


so.... rayn was... not gonna be mislynched?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 00:42 GMT
#2723
On October 28 2015 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
and I am not asking for thier specific reason, just the truth that naturally goes along with thier shot

They shot rayn, which obviously means what?


so.... rayn was... not gonna be mislynched?


BOOM give the man a cookie.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:43 GMT
#2724
...........? no.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 00:44 GMT
#2725
For bh

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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 00:45 GMT
#2726
that's a particularly weird and bad conclusion coming from you. because you or i would have been the shot if going by not gonna be ML'd people long before rayn. rayn at least had some potential left.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 28 2015 00:45 GMT
#2727
On October 28 2015 09:42 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 28 2015 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
and I am not asking for thier specific reason, just the truth that naturally goes along with thier shot

They shot rayn, which obviously means what?


so.... rayn was... not gonna be mislynched?


BOOM give the man a cookie.

so, wait, I don't understand. clearly you're not saying rayn was scum and therefore lynching him wouldn't be a mislynch. You're saying... what, that he was unlikely to get lynched? That was true of several people, especially you and me, but basically anyone but GB H1 and 1G.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 28 2015 00:46 GMT
#2728
On October 28 2015 09:42 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 28 2015 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
and I am not asking for thier specific reason, just the truth that naturally goes along with thier shot

They shot rayn, which obviously means what?


so.... rayn was... not gonna be mislynched?


BOOM give the man a cookie.


Like I really don't see how this is a useful piece of information, or what this deduction is.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 00:56 GMT
#2729
On October 28 2015 09:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 09:42 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 28 2015 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
and I am not asking for thier specific reason, just the truth that naturally goes along with thier shot

They shot rayn, which obviously means what?


so.... rayn was... not gonna be mislynched?


BOOM give the man a cookie.


Like I really don't see how this is a useful piece of information, or what this deduction is.


the deduction is this, scum with thier 3 votes, and the existing town support of 2-3 voteswas so sure that they could not ensure a rayn mislynch that they killed him for some other reason. But the sure they could not kill bit is the important part.

The argument against Rayn was static, you ethier thought rayn could be a dick as mafia, or couldnt. You come down one way, and god help you if you flop the other later on to get rayn lynched, only to have him flip green / :
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 01:04 GMT
#2730
I think there is a good chance the majority of the scum team (2 out of 3) were reading rayn as town in thread. They did this early on because it was really obvious to them that he was town (them being scum and all) and cornered themselves by giving out a correct read in the hopes that ethier rayn would get lynched and they would look good, or that rayn would be more likely to town read them.

scum were never going to be poised to capitalize on the ire rayn earned from town. Why did they specifically kill him? Dont know, but if there was any chance for them to mislynch him, I dont think they would, which means voting him would require several scum players reversing thier rayn reads for no good reason / : which would result in thier surefire lynch soon after.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 01:10 GMT
#2731
On October 28 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote:
that's a particularly weird and bad conclusion coming from you. because you or i would have been the shot if going by not gonna be ML'd people long before rayn. rayn at least had some potential left.


RIGHT.

scum NEED mislynches, they would not shoot rayn unless a mislynch on him wasnt possible at all / :

which is silly, because rayn was clearly the easiest to mislynch right? you me bh xata vivax chrom, none of us are even remotley as close as rayn was to getting burned.

Which means that there was some other reason they felt he couldn't be mislynched,

Thier are 2 major factors to pulling off a mislnych

1) how much do the townies suspect the fellow

2) how poised are mafia to pounce on him without looking scummy as hell.

We can pretty reliably rule out factor 1 as the case, which means it almost has to be factor 2 / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 01:18 GMT
#2732
For refrence here are onegu and Hopeless's views on Rayn atm.

Onegu
I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt.


hopeles
im basically never going to vote for Xata or Rayn (maybe rayn in lylo) they're my top town


No need to think about it too much honestly, staying the course should work out fine : P

just take this as a bit of a confidence booster in todays lynch XD
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 28 2015 01:58 GMT
#2733
On October 28 2015 09:10 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Weirdest game I have ever played.


you just never gonna respond to anything?


I didn't read a lot of posts. Anything in particular you want answered?
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:14 GMT
#2734
On October 28 2015 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 09:10 ritoky wrote:
On October 28 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Weirdest game I have ever played.


you just never gonna respond to anything?


I didn't read a lot of posts. Anything in particular you want answered?


On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


On October 28 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


Yes


outside of vivax have your reads changed since the last read post?


i mean i am assuming you read it since you were directly responding to me....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:17 GMT
#2735
On October 28 2015 10:18 gumshoe wrote:
For refrence here are onegu and Hopeless's views on Rayn atm.

Onegu
Show nested quote +
I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt.


hopeles
Show nested quote +
im basically never going to vote for Xata or Rayn (maybe rayn in lylo) they're my top town


No need to think about it too much honestly, staying the course should work out fine : P

just take this as a bit of a confidence booster in todays lynch XD


?????? wat are you doing?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 28 2015 02:20 GMT
#2736
On October 28 2015 11:14 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 10:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 09:10 ritoky wrote:
On October 28 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Weirdest game I have ever played.


you just never gonna respond to anything?


I didn't read a lot of posts. Anything in particular you want answered?


Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote:
On October 28 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 05:02 ritoky wrote:
yo GB, you here?


Yes


outside of vivax have your reads changed since the last read post?


i mean i am assuming you read it since you were directly responding to me....


I've read the first, I didn't see the second.

No, it didn't evolve. The only thing that changed is that it makes me more suspicious of you since the NK is clearly for wifom and you live to do wifom kills.
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:21 GMT
#2737
i only do kills if i am last left. i /c any if there are others alive. but yes i love me some wifom kill.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 28 2015 02:22 GMT
#2738
these are still your reads then?

On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:
On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....

- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point

- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....

- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game

- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before

So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy.


marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different.

And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter.

And no, I'm not mafia.


Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn.

I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now.


Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't.

I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now.

I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit.

I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn.

I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch.

Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia.

I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me.

Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are.

I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town.

I don't know if I forgot someone.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 28 2015 02:29 GMT
#2739
On October 28 2015 11:22 ritoky wrote:
these are still your reads then?

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:
On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....

- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point

- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....

- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game

- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before

So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy.


marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different.

And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter.

And no, I'm not mafia.


Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn.

I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now.


Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't.

I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now.

I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit.

I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn.

I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch.

Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia.

I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me.

Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are.

I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town.

I don't know if I forgot someone.



Yes. Not yamato, cause his dead
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 02:31 GMT
#2740
RIP the dream team but it was a good idea while it lasted.

Seriously though, I think the kill can be interpreted so many different ways. People have said that it means that mafia killed someone irrelevant because they're happy with the way things are going (meaning current targets are town). But it could also mean that mafia wanted to kill someone confusing because they want to mix things up (meaning current targets are mafia). But it could also mean that they knew we'd think that they were happy with things, or that they knew we'd think they wanted to mix it up, etc etc WIFOM. It's like double WIFOM.

It makes me a little scared, but it's irrational at this point I think.

On October 28 2015 05:42 ritoky wrote:
chroma, people who don't make sense might just be mafia.

it doesn't matter, you, me, or gumdrop is getting shot in a little bit here.

The thing is, if Xatalos is mafia, he's playing the mafia game of his life right now, by a long shot. And I really don't see that as being more likely than the simple answer of the scummiest people in the thread (GB Onegu Hopeless). Occam's razor or something.

I should probably take another close look at Vivax and maybe BH just to make sure that I'm not missing something big, but at this point I don't really see a reason to believe that.
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