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On October 28 2015 06:16 Xatalos wrote:Hmm... Quite a bit conflicted on Chromatically atm. On the other hand, I really like the huge amount of effort he's put into the game. But then, at times, it just feels like he's "going through the motions", or doing things out of obligation....? Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 05:38 Chromatically wrote:I'm really low on time so I'm just going to do some quick thoughts on Onegu. Onegu clearly hasn't done much this game. Of course, he's not interested in finding mafia, hasn't shown a townie thought process, etc. His reads are on a totally different page then mine (ritoky and BH as mafia?). A lot of his posts feel like they're just throwing suspicion somewhere: On October 25 2015 06:00 Onegu wrote:On October 25 2015 05:58 Chromatically wrote:On October 25 2015 05:51 Onegu wrote:On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:
Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax
BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn
GB
I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB. Why is ritoky town to you? ritoky is like a very strong feel read now I guess? The way he's joking seems like he's very comfortable in the thread. I agree with what Xatalos said about when he was in the conversation with Xatalos/marv, I liked the stuff he said about marv there a lot. I also liked this post: On October 24 2015 18:28 ritoky wrote:
chrom seemed mafia to me cuz he couldn't take a joke, and his mafia case on me was "I'M SUPER SRS, YOU'RE NOT SUPER SRS, WHAT'S THIS GUY'S PROBLEM? OMG MAFIA~~~~ DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIM? HE SPEAKS IN TONGUES!@?!@?!@?!@>>!" but i am hesitant cuz effort level and actual cases and re-evaluating and blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh makes me not wanna commit to a read on him cuz i am a bitch. because it seems like genuine townie hesitation to commit to a read they're not sure of (easy to just call me mafia or town as mafia). Huh. Mafia normally dont make strong stances. That doesnt make much sense to me. Like this post felt really strange to me, didn't say anything about ritoky's alignment but just vaguely threw suspicion on me and him. He was extremely confident (unjustified) in townreads on rayn (during that conversation N1). He voted rayn after saying he's 99% town (although apparently he could have done it as town). On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata I explained this earlier too, "Xata is making zero sense here" did not fit into the conversation at all because Xatalos hadn't posted anything that Onegu disagreed with for a while. It seems like Onegu wanted to vote Xatalos to be consistent with what he was saying and just threw an explanation on there without it making much sense. Out of time so I know these aren't very well explained, but I think most people get the idea by this point. And here it disturbed me a little bit how he was so anxious about GB stepping up to play out of a lynch: Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 03:31 Chromatically wrote:
Why are you telling GB how to play??? Telling someone "if you're town, then do this" is the complete opposite of helpful because they can just do it and then you have zero idea of their alignment. You have to look at how he plays on his own without saying "hey you should do this".
That's why I didn't ask GB for reads or his top lynches or anything when I was talking to him. If I ask him and he does it, I don't learn anything about his alignment. What matters is if he does it when I don't tell him what he should do. But dunno... It's so hard to think he's scum either when several players aren't putting in much (if any) effort...
I know this probably isn't a big deal, but this bothered me so I want to clear it up.
My problem is not that GB could step up and "play out of a lynch". If he proves himself to be town, then obviously he shouldn't be lynched. My problem was that you were telling him exactly what he should do! Once you tell him what to do as town, that means that if he does it, it's no longer based on his alignment but on him just following your instructions.
And yes, I did feel compelled to post the Onegu stuff because I said I would post stuff on Onegu before the end of the phase.
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On October 28 2015 06:28 Vivax wrote:
OK I'm an idiot GB is 100 % mafia I think.
Can you explain what happened here?
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On October 28 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 11:22 ritoky wrote:these are still your reads then? On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....
- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point
- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before
So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy. marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different. And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter. And no, I'm not mafia. Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn. I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now. Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't. I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now. I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit. I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn. I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch. Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia. I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me. Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are. I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town. I don't know if I forgot someone. Yes. Not yamato, cause his dead
do you think lynching yo, h1, and onegu would get us to final 3 then?
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chroma you might be my only remaining town read right now...i don't really know what gumdrop is doing atm.....this game sux.
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lol I think I might not be being paranoid enough or something because everyone except the three (and kind of Vivax but not really) is a strong townread for me
What gumdrop is saying now is about on the same level as what he was saying yesterday about yamato and GB imo so not really bothered by it.
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Hmm actually ritoky I'm thinking about your point about Onegu not being mafia because he wouldn't have killed rayn... that could have some basis to it maybe.
So much WIFOM though that it's hard to think that's a sound argument.
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yeah but he's been soft deflecting off of gb for a while now, and he had that whole "yamato and gb are opposite alignments" thing that was weird but i was like "....ok" and then he rolls out today wanting to lynch onegu. who pretty much every1 who has died town read....it's gone from soft deflecting to pretty hard deflection.
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There have been so so many people soft deflecting off of GB though. Most frustrating thing in the world
Vivax
Xatalos
gumshoe
BH
all opposed GB lynch yesterday but thought he was scummy (except gumshoe I guess), and that's literally every townie person in the game except for you and me.
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Actually gumshoe has been deflecting GB diamond-hard for a while now so it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd rather not lynch him here. He made a whole anti-case on him being town and stuff even.
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do you understand why? cuz i don't.
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i really have SERIOUS doubts that onegu is mafia. they started when i began to come around on rayn after talks last night.
hopeless is basically a coinflip who is probably a must-lynch @ some point this game which sucks...
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On October 28 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 11:22 ritoky wrote:these are still your reads then? On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....
- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point
- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before
So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy. marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different. And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter. And no, I'm not mafia. Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn. I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now. Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't. I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now. I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit. I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn. I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch. Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia. I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me. Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are. I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town. I don't know if I forgot someone. Yes. Not yamato, cause his dead do you think lynching yo, h1, and onegu would get us to final 3 then?
I don't know. There is a chance both of us are town. But it could take us to final 3, yeah.
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Understand why gumshoe's read? Like I could theoretically see how the reasoning could make sense to someone but it was really weak. I feel like it's the kind of thing gumshoe would think as town though.
He's felt so town the whole game and he's put a lot of effort in too though his reasoning has been super weak. Maybe I'm underestimating him hard though. I guess I should check his meta to see what his top-level scum game looks like, and see if he could play at this level as scum?
I SHOULD check everyone's meta really but I don't have time for that at all.
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On October 28 2015 11:51 ritoky wrote:
i really have SERIOUS doubts that onegu is mafia. they started when i began to come around on rayn after talks last night.
hopeless is basically a coinflip who is probably a must-lynch @ some point this game which sucks...
How are they related to rayn? Because rayn thought he was town?
I just have a super hard time seeing anyone else as mafia.
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Like I guess I agree with the general idea that someone outside the three has a good chance of being mafia. But I just can't pick a single person that it could be.
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Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.
Anyway I am going to bed.
We should lynch xata or hopeless today.
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Do you guys really not get the whole Rayn thing?
rayn dying means scum felt they couldn't mislynch him.
scum not bieng able to mislynch him means at least 2 out of three scum are town reading him and to turn around and lynch him for no real reason would be super scummy of them.
Is this really such a stretch?
Basically my argument is that the majority of the scum team couldn't lynch rayn cause they were town reading rayn.
No it's not game ending, but it is useful information to cross refrence with what you all already know.
Def not "gumshoe dafack are you doing" worthy 0_0
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For instance, you could probally rule out scum combinations such as
xat gb
or gb vivax
or vivax xat
as these are the kind of teams that could viably lynch Rayn / :
like sheesh people, this argument is at least somewhat useful / :
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Day 3 Vote Count
Onegu (3): gumshoe, Xatalos, Blazinghand
GlowingBear (1): Vivax
Not Voting (5): ritoky, GlowingBear, Chromatically, Hopeless1der, Onegu
Looks like it's time to sack Onegu for being a traitor!
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