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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On October 16 2015 02:46 Onegu wrote: The thing I really don't like that you did tictock is halfway through the day you made a big post about setup, and it was this big post about nothing relevant. I don't recall what post your talking about. So your probably right, "nothing relevant" | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 15 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: I would like to point out again that decunduo is basically wanting to lynch and murder the innocent Koshi because the innocent Koshi disagreed with a read he is 95% sure about. No, its nothing to do with my read on Moosy. I'm convinced he's groupie, but I don't expect you to sheep that. However you called me scum for saying that lynching groupie is bad for town, and you refuse to back down from it. That's why I want to lynch you. Not wanting to lynch Moosy yesterday is a consequence of both the read and the logic, but they are two separate things. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On October 16 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote: No, its nothing to do with my read on Moosy. I'm convinced he's groupie, but I don't expect you to sheep that. However you called me scum for saying that lynching groupie is bad for town, and you refuse to back down from it. That's why I want to lynch you. Not wanting to lynch Moosy yesterday is a consequence of both the read and the logic, but they are two separate things. And now you are just plain lying. Just die = thx. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On October 16 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: CHUPAZI I spared you that game from LYLO unlike SCOTT and FIDEI. Do not make me keep you around for lylo for this game. o-o Sson this is a scum claim I best be jest | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Ok so most of the game besides Cake, Onegu, Slam, and myself were on Cake. CopCake (9): deconduo, gobbledydook, Sylencia, Rels, GlowingBear, Xatalos, MoosyDoosy, Koshi, Superbia Super's vote and EoD was pretty towny, so I'm not checkin him. Koshi's vote is on that lv as well for different reasons (mostly just wanting to avoid no-lynch), otherwise he was on Moosy till last min. I wanted to look at the reasons everyone else voted Cake, just in case I could spot any inconsistencies. deconduo: He pretty much started the wagon (first to vote, not exactly the first to read Cake as scum) on Cake so thats a bit of a town point in his favor. He also was pretty clear how he got that read from his first real post in the game. + Show Spoiler [copcake] + On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote: Why do you need to write this? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote: Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it. ##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake[/b He also posed questions and showed disappointment when Cake didn't respond. Conclusion - Checks out gobbledydook: Only made a couple of posts related to Cake before voting. On October 13 2015 14:13 gobbledydook wrote: CopCake makes no sense he really should give reasons why I'm anti town. On October 14 2015 08:15 gobbledydook wrote: Aus timezone sucks balls Copcake full of awful reads Guys let's kill him now ##vote: CopCake Really there's nothing here to even try and get a glimpse at this guy's thought process. I mentioned this before, but it looks like he was suspicious of Cake and jumped on her wagon as soon as it looked like it had decent support. Hard as hell to say for sure though with like 0 thought process to look at. Conclusion - WTF!?! Sylencia: Talks about Cake a decent bit, pretty clearly focused on her for most of D1. Here is your pack of quotes for him. + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote: The more haikus made The more I want to kill you JK, good gimmick Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote: On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote: Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. On October 14 2015 08:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote CopCake Posts post-return sound like they come from a 3rd party who's only worried about mafia team. Unlike a lot of other people who used the word "mafia" during this game, it doesn't have the same implication that it means mafia/3p. Not convinced at all by the reasoning too. On October 14 2015 20:05 Sylencia wrote: Anyways, given the swingy nature of the game I'm going to approach it 1-2 people at a time. If CopCake doesn't go down for whatever reason, Onegu is next because no matter what role he is, he is a detriment to town. Given the initial disadvantage we have, losing a vote and a voice over a more active townie would be terrible. The "shes using the word mafia in a way that implies she's 3p" idea seems pretty sketch to me, there is a bit of a read progression showing here though. The part that jumps out to me as weird in these posts is how Syl calls Onegu "a detriment to town" regardless of alignment, yet writes off gobble as being cool for having a "good gimmick." I'll give gobble credit for actually post some thoughts, but it's hard to argue that his play is significantly different than Onegu's. Conclusion - Probably ok but mildly suspect Rels: I don't expect to find any inconsistencies here. Rels is a smart player as any alingment and while he can of course be wrong or get focused on the wrong things it's very unlikely that he will have any odd read changes as either alienment. Anyways, Rels starts looking at Cake due to her early town reads. (Idk why but I but this post kept messing up when I quoted it here, it's in Rel's case anyways which I put in the next spoiler) He was also the only person to post a case on Cake, but I'm not able to give town cred to Rels based on that. He's made solid cases as scum before. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote: The Copcake is not town compilation case 1. Her initial townreads have no basis Her initial townreads were: On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote: GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. The filters of these 3 people at the time were: GB's posts at the time: [spoiler] On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote: Wow what a boring start [/spoiler] Slam's posts at the time: [spoiler] On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Good afternoon. Koshi, sson You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote: What a dead thread! Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote: This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? [/spoiler] TT's posts at the time: [spoiler] On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote: I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote: So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. [/spoiler] I and others have asked her to explain these weird reads and her explanation is: On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. So "tone reads" AKA no explanation. 2. Her read on GB and I are inconsistent Copcake says GB and I are mafia together: On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote: Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions. NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread. On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. Please look very carefully for her reason to scumread GB. Rels suspects GB => but Rels answers GB's questions => Rels and GB are mafia together Now. When asked about her reasons for scumreading GB, she said: On October 14 2015 10:48 CopCake wrote: I already did, your interaction with rels is weird and "a waste of time" lol, really come and fight me, you are asking questions and in addition like you know HOW I AM AS MAFIA yet you MAFIA READ ME because I have TOWN READS. DUDE DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER THAT I DIDNT HAVE TOWN READS LAST GAME and I was like pretending I was pissed (actually I was for mossy) but yeah oh no, you are not even considering my filters too sad, no? So GB's "interactions with Rels" is what makes GB scummy. Makes sense with the above. A little weird she's not voting me instead of GB, but whatever. Then she says: On October 14 2015 10:52 CopCake wrote: what unflipped association? I don't get it pls elaborate. WTF. She just said GB was scummy because of his "interactions with Rels". But wait. There is more: On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote: you think rels is town tho. that makes you mafia. She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch. Her original basis for scumreading GB was that both GB and I were scum together. And now she's saying GB is scummy for his interactions with me, which is still her original reason; but she also thinks I'm town. It doesn't make any kind of sense. There is NO reason for her to scumread GB. 3. She doesn't post much and doesn't answer questions This point doesn't mean shit by itself, by in combinaison to the above, it indicated Copcake is not-town. Conclusion 1. Townreads with no basis to start the game. 2. No reason for her main scumread. 3. Not very active. Lynch her. For me it's better to look at why Rels focuses on one person over another. For example he was initially suspect of GB, which didn't last too long, then pushed me fairly hard early on. Cake was his main target for the rest of the day after he stopped scum reading me. So these were his 3 main pushes, while he also subtly agreed on Moosy and Xat possibly being scum. To me the arguments Rels has with Cake near EoD are pretty clearly showing there is miscommunication going on. There's an awful lot of "he said, she said" sorta stuff going on that looks like it is clearly going nowhere. Like at this point Rels looks semi-tunneled on Cake which I've seen him do as either alignment. Gah, idk. I see similarities between this push on Cake and pushes Rels has made as both alignments before. He and Rayn pushed and mislynched me as town in one of the newbie games because they didn't understand my thinking/logic. He also did a solid case/push on Dandel in Season of the Witch as scum, managing to pull people away from his afk scummate. Conclusion - Inconclusive GlowingBear: GB's read on Cake seems to evolve out pretty naturally. He starts off questioning her early townreads and tries to engage her to explain them. At one point GB looks like he goes fairly hard at Moosy but keeps Cake in his sights. Eventually he switches to Cake and implores everyone to do the same. On October 14 2015 22:15 GlowingBear wrote: Everyone NOT scum reading cop cake, please explain so. She scum reads Rels for no good reason, proceeds to scum read me with the basis on an unflipped association with Rels, then forgets Rels and push me instead of, you know, going against her main scum read (which, under her logic, his flip would confirm my alignment, and not the opposite). I see no townie following this logic On October 14 2015 21:28 GlowingBear wrote: Moosy can easily be with cake The only thing that feels a little off is this post On October 15 2015 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, I won't be here at deadline, I'll be having classes. If you guys move your votes off of CopCake I will heartlessly torture baby walruses Both his scumreads are potential lynches so I'm not sure why he would mind if people switched back over to Moosy. There is possible OMGUS involved though since Cake was pushing GB as scum, kinda feel like that would come from either alignment though. Feels a little weak, but there's some room for tin foil here. Conclusion - Checks out. Xatalos: Probably the more interesting case imo. I say that because Xat makes a lot of posts that state this On October 13 2015 19:37 Xatalos wrote: Hm... Not very sure about those people you mentioned. CopCake is Little Lamb from VS, I think? She was extremely convincing as Mafia last time around. Here is all of them that I found. + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2015 19:37 Xatalos wrote: Hm... Not very sure about those people you mentioned. CopCake is Little Lamb from VS, I think? She was extremely convincing as Mafia last time around. On October 14 2015 22:19 Xatalos wrote: I've only seen scum CopCake before and she seemed more townie than now that time >.> On October 15 2015 07:51 Xatalos wrote: On October 15 2015 07:49 Tictock wrote: I've explained my reasons a few times. Moosy's only read push has been on Sup and his read was based on shit he berated Rels for being. Cops reads are wierd but thy haev evolved, shes challenged people. Well yeah MoosyDoosy's reads are terrible, but so are CopCake's.... And I'd expect CopCake to be the better one out of them, all things equal. Granted I've only seen scum!CopCake before and she was better than this even there. He ends up voting Cake in this long post. His main reason is that her reads don't make sense. So my issue here is that his read seems to be in conflict with itself, "Cake plays a convincing scum game" while this game "Her reads make no sense, must be scum." Whats even more disturbing to me is that Xat makes this argument multiple times while defending Moosy Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play. So somehow Xat is convinced that Cake is scum for not making sense, yet he's had experience with her scum game and claims it's "pretty convincing" and at the same time he is defending Moosy because he doesn't think scum would be willing to play in a way to draw attention to themselves. None of this adds up. I've been saying it all game, Xat is scum. Conclusion - Lynch with Fire MoosyDoosy: Moosy's first response to Cake is calling out her post on Superbia good, and while he later includes her in his list of ppl he is suspect of he still says she has good thoughts and is last on his list. He actually seems fairly unsure, questions Cake's townread on him, tries to get her to focus on Sup with him, multiple occasions where he tries to engage Cake in conversation. Eventually he votes her here, which can be argued as being partially a survival vote, but it looks somewhat reluctant to me. Overall there is some evolution here, and tried a few times EoD to push the lynch elsewhere rather than pile on. Conclusion - Checks out | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Anyways probably not posting much more this Night. Assuming I survive I'll reevaluate tomorrow. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On October 16 2015 04:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Tictock bb, you forgot the part where I actually wasn't reading her posts which is why I didn't actually have a read on her. How is anyone supposed to know that? It certainly looks like you were reading some of her posts... | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
Frankly, you just seem to twist anything and everything about me in a negative light. Straight from my very first post. Either you're town in an extreme tunnel or just anti-town. Actually starting to lean a bit more towards anti-town since the tunnel has been so "pre-set" and static. In either case, it's getting harder for me to take you seriously. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
While in this game she was a babbling mess using some capslock and being quite clueless. (the reason why I had her as town) The 2 don't add up and therefore you are mafia. I don't know if I agree with teh case. I agree with the conclusion though. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 22 2014 11:21 GlowingBear wrote: So, if we talk about town Xatalos, we are mostly talking about an absurd filter length. But more than filter length, Xatalos is a guy who keeps his thoughts in the thread, not in his mind, and is constantly trying to solve the game. I've picked up a game where we played together, it was Guilty Mini Mafia. This is a post he had on his second page of filter: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 19:17 Xatalos wrote: Damdred -1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? raynpelikoneet -1 Robik made a funny point about the way how rayn would have stayed up as town (and he even said that he would stay for the deadline too??) haha - started really aggressive after that, nothing really special to say about that, just a bit of an uncomfortable feeling with the not posting at night despite apparently staying up around the deadline... and somehow his reads feel a bit too certain/forced? let's just say null with some concern for now Hapahauli 0 justanothertownie 0 Onegu 0 VayneAuthority 0 IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably KelsierSC 1 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe yamato77 1 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? turtlevine 2 obvious smurf... pretty funny/constructive opening post, townish feels I guess GlowingBear 4 a LOT less awkward than in the Arnie game IMO, so town? yeah seems pretty natural at posting overall, and constructive, so towntown WaveOfShadow 4 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now You see, he is someone who has reads on a lot of people and contributes with discussion by exteriorising them. More than that, he takes original stances on people. Here is another post by Xatalos on day 1: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote: KSC - yeah probably town, really feels like he believes his own ideas and pushes them strongly without care for how he's viewed as a result jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here Robik - not as sure as last game but yeah leaning town for being pretty active and posting stuff you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you WOS - my earlier townread on him was a bit faulty so I don't really anyhow heavily townread him anymore, why is he scum though? GB - I don't necessarily think he's town anymore, his weird connection read on me+WOS, curiousness about someone townreading him, and overall awkward posts lately don't look good... could be scum I guess You see, he is already giving reads on a lot of people. But more than this: he is contributing without being asked to contribute. Take a look at the nested quote. Rayn isn't directing a question towards Xatalos. Xatalos is posting this because he wanted to contribute, he wanted to discuss his reads. I'll go ahead into later days to show you that he keeps the "solving the game" stance throughout the whole thread: + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2014 01:15 Xatalos wrote: Still weird that he refused to vote for Robik when 1) he claimed to follow jat's lead and jat voted for Robik 2) he didn't have any real opinion of Robik (except "Robik being Robik") and didn't exactly townread me, but agreed with me a lot and didn't seem to at least suspect me. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2014 02:17 Xatalos wrote: Actually I just had a thought. In the Arnie game Damdred constantly asked me these little questions to share my reads more / make me more readable. Damdred's play here reminds me a lot of that. So yeah, I don't want to lynch Damdred today. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2014 02:50 Xatalos wrote: Here are my "condensed" reads >.> VayneAuthority -2 not really a fan of his posts so far, I think someone said that he's pretty serious as scum and trolly as town? serious so far... seems to focus only on survival + made a rather dubious roleclaim claimed JOAT early on D2 "to survive" Onegu -1 AFK and still catching up :/ - entered the game constructively and tried to figure out the game, probably town... Hapa made good points about him being reckless to push rayn as scum + showing suspicion towards a Mason claim haha - well hasn't done much lately so dropped points - rayn flipping town puts him into worse light especially since he just threw his vote on rayn and disappeared Damdred 1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? - actually his more recent posts mirror my thoughts so town? - rayn made a decent(ish) point about him perhaps being SK since he's a bit forgettable/passive??? and also looked for bluetells earlier... but still not a D1 lynch - worst D1 deadline vote, not good - actually his little questions to me remind a lot of the Arnie game so rather wait and see than lynch for now, feels like potentially town Hapahauli 2 entered with great posts on rayn & me, quite confident that he's town - then dropped rayn suddenly, weird, possible scum after all? dunno, doesn't feel like a good D1 lynch anyway - went on to lynch Mafia GF which makes him a lot more towny - possible SK still considering rayn NK? KelsierSC 3 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe... yeah I guess so - well he's been defending rayn and pushing me with very forced reasons so not confident about him being town anymore (though he'd be very stupid if he's scum with rayn) - well more likely town still, very fearless if scum WaveOfShadow 3 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now - really active/chatty in Championship as scum though so could be scum too - but he's still pretty happily participating in the discussion and felt genuinely frustrated at some point so town after all? - away for a lot of crucial discussion which drops his points by one - well he's come back to the thread and his posts seem pretty good lately - his thoughts resonated with my thoughts around deadline quite a bit which is good yamato77 3 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? very lurky though which is scummy for him - re-entered the thread with vengeance and has been very townish, I'd say even obvtown level pretty much - Hapa made some good points about him lacking confidence and going on lurking periods though - still (actively?) lurking and posting here and there... gave up exactly like in the PYP game ALERT ALERT - went on to vote & kill Robik though and started actually doing stuff so probably town after all Look at how he has opinion on everybody and shares it with everyone. Look at how he tried to see things from people's perspective. Look at how he has a thought and posts it in the thread to share his opinion with everybody. This is town Xatalos. ************** Mafia Xatalos is determined by suing the necessary, asking questions, and not really having original thoughts and stances. Moreover, he doesn't have an overall view of the game. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 06:49 Xatalos wrote: Kushm4sta, by the way, I hope you're planning to play this game seriously. I've witnessed several games that you've partly ruined by lurking or worse. If you're scum, you can get policy lynched. That's fine. High level of certainty/aggressiveness, uncommon on his townplay described above. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 07:43 Xatalos wrote: Well, that game is special in the sense that it started during night and nights were PM-only within given Houses. I definitely put pressure on gumshoe and Grackaroni during the night, I'd say. And I was relatively aggressive during the first day, as well. Probably not as aggressive as here, I agree. Do you mean that passive = townish and aggressive/proactive = scummy? Or what? I can't really see myself playing like this as scum. It'd have to be pretty carefully crafted at least. Too defensive when inquired, lacking deep reads on people. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:09 Xatalos wrote: These are definitely some good points. It's surely premature to declare Corazon as today's lynch, but it would be a good pick in the current situation. I dislike Artanis's dismissal of Corazon's play as well, but I doubt Artanis and Corazon would be scum together. It would seem risky to make a connection like that. That's WIFOM, though. Commenting others ideas without actually bringing his own to the table. Says something wishy washy without risking himself with his reads ********* Xatalos is playing much more like his scum game than his town game here. This is specific and out of context, but illustrates what I'm saying: + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2014 23:31 Xatalos wrote: Yeah I agree. For both of those the scum motivation is strong and the town motivation is non-existent. I like Templar as scum too, though. But at least he hasn't actively pushed scum agenda. ##Vote GlowingBear This is Xat agreeing with an idea which is not his own, going against a townie, which he had no deep read or strong push. He also doesn't have any list post like I've brought from Guilty Mini Mafia. (Town game: Guilty Mini Mafia Scum game: Titanic II)( | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
How to read the case for dummies: Step 1) Click the spoiler and read all the post you made saying CC has a good scumgame. Even saying her meta is off. Step 2) Understand that there is quite the disconnect between her previous scumgame and this game as stated by you. Step 3) Read the long ass post you made saying CC is making no sense at all and completely doesn't play like her scumgame and then you voting her for that. Conclude that you could be opportunistic mafia. That and you constantly asking people why CC is mafia and not providing reasoning why she is mafia was just scummy as fuck. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 16 2015 05:15 Xatalos wrote: Not sure I really understand your latest accusation, and it's starting to get a bit annoying. I mean... I never said that CopCake made a ton of sense as scum. She just had that spontaneous/genuine feel about her with her posting style as scum, same as here. So that's pretty inconclusive. What made me lean over to scum on her was how her reads just didn't make any logical sense. I couldn't understand how she could push those as town, and they were even more peculiar compared to her last scumgame, so... In any case, I don't really regret it. She wasn't even a role, and she would have been an anti-town element later on. Frankly, you just seem to twist anything and everything about me in a negative light. Straight from my very first post. Either you're town in an extreme tunnel or just anti-town. Actually starting to lean a bit more towards anti-town since the tunnel has been so "pre-set" and static. In either case, it's getting harder for me to take you seriously. I didn't read carefully the case, but the fact that you specifically poped up to defend yourself, not posting anything before or after, is suspicious. Going to sleep now. Didn't have time today to analyze stuff, hell I glossed over these big posts at the end, so that's for tomorrow ... if I'm alive. Hopefully some not town will be flipped! | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I will do it later in case I survive | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
Mafia is going to do mafia things. I think they are going to feel pretty damn safe for the first 1-2 days. They essentially cannot lose during the night phase. Mad physician is probably also going to keep healing himself for the entire game (except for every even night - n2, n4, past that doesn't matter). I think this lends itself to somewhat standard mafia play. They have no real reason to really hunt for third party during the day, as they rule the night. One might even argue that the extra kp during the night favors them. Third party will probably be scrambling to get a PR read and killed during n1 (so they can claim it later). They cannot win against mafia during the night, and the crossfire also does not want to be on the front row in any sort of way (probably). Third party essentially resolves around getting one person (crossfire) not killed and using the day time to get mafia or town (depends which is stronger) killed. Which lends itself to defensive (crossfire) play and mafia/pr-hunting (groupie) play. Summed up: - Mafia rules the night. Essentially gives 0 shits about 3p especially during n1, n3 and n5 while they are both alive. Extra KP during the night will likely help mafia. - 3p likely PR-hunts for the stealth shot during the night. Then will claim it near mylo-lylo. Or if it's cop/CPR claim it in an emergency/whatever while medic is still alive (else they get killed by mafia). - Uncontested PR claims after n1 are still to be taken with a huge grain of salt and a hefty amount of evaluation. Haven't (re-)evaluated yet on people. So good luck if I die. | ||
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Superbia
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