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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:02 GMT
#361
On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:
So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest:

+ Show Spoiler [Rels] +

On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town

OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything.
Sources:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hammertime mafia as town:
On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town

Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town:
On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia!

Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia:
On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!

I'm town



I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it.

On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.


Why do you need to write this?



On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


Hello anti town people


GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.

are you serious. I had to go back to check

GB's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1


You make things easier.

##vote: Koshi

On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start


Slam's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson

You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work

On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:
I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here


On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall


I assume you are referring to [image loading]

In which case you used the correct color.

But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these...
[image loading]

Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you.

Spoken with precision

On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!

Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas

On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1

This dude looks like a cop-out artist here

Why

What is the true motive for this post?


TT's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall


I assume you are referring to [image loading]

In which case you used the correct color.

But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these...
[image loading]

Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you.

On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:
So I was stupid today guys...

I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning

I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though.



Explain your town reads.


More good work here.


On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:
Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these:

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On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy

Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die.


Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die?


I agree this was a shit vote.


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On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:
Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1.

On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.

Last post.

Only quality posts from now on.

I love you too.

On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.

Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before.


Specially since he just stopped posting after that.

Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit".

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on

GB
Copcake
onegu

Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!"

I think TT is not-town.


And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far.



+ Show Spoiler [koshi] +

Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this:

On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:
GB logic:
Show nested quote +
I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.

I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments.




+ Show Spoiler [Superbia] +


On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them)


I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now.



+ Show Spoiler [Sylencia] +

On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick

Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town?


On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads?


Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes:

Suspect A: 1 word brb
Suspect B: Crap haiku

Suspect A gets the vote.


Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean.



+ Show Spoiler [Xatalos] +

On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.


This does drive me a little bit nuts as well.

On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.

Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.

Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.

I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right.


I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode.

Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation.
You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do.

Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia.
QED


Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing.

Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb.


I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started.

What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town.


I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me.

On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia


Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them.


Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something.

Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean.



+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +

On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.

Fuck this.

Onegu out.

Taking some pain meds and relaxing.

Back later to figure this game out.


Another VT claim. Not much here, Null.


+ Show Spoiler [Alakaslam] +
Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
+


+ Show Spoiler [gobbledydook] +

The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all:
On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm.



+ Show Spoiler [GlowingBear] +


On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.

Just thought about something.

Koshi is back to null.

Don't ask me what it is.


I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain.

On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:
No seriously.

He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon.

Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious.

[image loading]


I thought I saw 3 votes on him?

I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious.

I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed.


It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null.



+ Show Spoiler [MoosyDoosy] +


Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting.

On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive.


Quality post . Leaning scum.


+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] +
I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well:

On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1?


On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive.


What did you expect mid day?

I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by.




As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least.


+ Show Spoiler [copcake] +

On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.


Why do you need to write this?



Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


Hello anti town people


GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.



On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.

##Superbia


As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go.


Gonna vote for copcake based on the above.

##Vote: copcake

mmm...does shitty way of obtaining reads mean that the person is mafia?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 23:02 GMT
#362
There is only 1 way I remove my vote on MD. blueclaim.
I am too interested to know if I got mafia on opening post.
I had a good night of sleep.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:04 GMT
#363
On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:
On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:
On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:
Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these:

On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy

Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die.


Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die?


I agree this was a shit vote.


On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:
Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1.

On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.

Last post.

Only quality posts from now on.

I love you too.

On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.

Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before.


Specially since he just stopped posting after that.

Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit".

On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on

GB
Copcake
onegu

Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!"

I think TT is not-town.


Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other.

My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out.


This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.

The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.


Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1.


Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud.

Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day.

As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW...

Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias.

Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that.

Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play

This is around my 4th game with Tictock. This is your 2nd. -pokes-
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:04 GMT
#364
On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?

...hm...????
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:06 GMT
#365
On October 14 2015 05:48 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:
On October 14 2015 04:57 Tictock wrote:
So this caught my eye when I first read it. I held off commenting right away kus I know Rels often does opening post analysis, and wanted to see if he'd catch it too.

Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects.

Xat's open practically screamed that to me.

On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafia

I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.

On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1


This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT).

Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way.


That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi.
1-Votecount link
2- VT Claims, No Claims
3- Quote and scumread on Koshi
4- Town not underpowered

The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak.

This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote:
Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js

I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia

Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town...

How did you come to that townread list btw?
and could very well be concerned about his open if he rolled scum.

Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you...

. Especially given that he says this
On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with.


Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game.

On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia


Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them.


That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic.

So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here.

##Vote: Xatalos



Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play.

Out of curiosity, when did I become your top scumread? You haven't really even mentioned me before that, but you said "for a long time". The case is kind of a cherry-picked gathering of pretty null-leaning things as well.

Not sure how talking about several topics in your opening is really scummy. Many people have done that.

why? Read firefly newbie student

haha this. I bused my whole team (CopCake + GB) for the win. CopCake did not appreciate that apparently and GB really didn't either.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:08 GMT
#366
On October 14 2015 06:35 Tictock wrote:
Geez we have too many lurky players.

I'd like to see more out of anyone with less than a page of filter.

In particular Moosy, gobble, and Onegu need to bring something to the table.

Cop and Superbia are playing, but not at all posting. Just more plz.

Decoundo and Sylencia are somehow the standouts of this group.

yah yah I'm working on it calm urself
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:13 GMT
#367
okie I am back and around. As a note I refuse to participate in any lynch on my Chupazi master Alakaslam unless there is glaring evidence he is not town.

mmm...down to work. Basically people I don't like this far.

gobbledygook - terrible posts so far
Superbia - acting nothing like town and doing nothing for the thread
Koshi - there’s no reason to make a long post about how town will kill themselves. That’s just drawing way way too much attention to himself. I don’t think he’s scum so…fanatic groupie? maybe.

GlowingBear - I might have to revisit this.
Rels - terrible case on TicTock and terrible conclusions that he’s drawing.
deconduo - the way he got his reads was so bad it was o-o
CopCake - eh idk. she had some good thoughts but if she continues to not care then that’s a super scum read.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2603 Posts
October 13 2015 23:15 GMT
#368
Aus timezone sucks balls
Copcake full of awful reads
Guys let's kill him now

##vote: CopCake
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:17 GMT
#369
I'm just going to vote for Superbia for now. There are reasons that Koshi and gobbledygook CAN be town but Superbia is def scum right now. I think GB + CC + Slam should already realize how different his play is. I will relook into Rels if it becomes necessary.

Also Rels, your case is terrible because A. you used meta and tone when you know you're terrible at meta and tone and you played only 1 game with him when I played like 3 or something close to that. B. also, the only thing that TicTock can be scumread for right now is that he was fence sitting but that's super weak because it was in the first half of D1 so that's a terrible reason as well.

tl;dr your case is bad and TicTock looks town. So change your vote.

oh yeah and before I forget I have a weird itch on Xata which I'll go over later. I think it had something to do with townreading me and something else in conjunction to make magical baby combinations.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 23:17 GMT
#370
##Vote: Superbia
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 13 2015 23:20 GMT
#371
Moosy explain how my play is different pls.

Brb.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 13 2015 23:27 GMT
#372
Actually I'll give you like 12 hours to come up with some excuse since I'm going to sleep.
Minimal effort.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 23:30 GMT
#373
On October 14 2015 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
okie I am back and around. As a note I refuse to participate in any lynch on my Chupazi master Alakaslam unless there is glaring evidence he is not town.

mmm...down to work. Basically people I don't like this far.

gobbledygook - terrible posts so far
Superbia - acting nothing like town and doing nothing for the thread
Koshi - there’s no reason to make a long post about how town will kill themselves. That’s just drawing way way too much attention to himself. I don’t think he’s scum so…fanatic groupie? maybe.

GlowingBear - I might have to revisit this.
Rels - terrible case on TicTock and terrible conclusions that he’s drawing.
deconduo - the way he got his reads was so bad it was o-o
CopCake - eh idk. she had some good thoughts but if she continues to not care then that’s a super scum read.


Ok this is one of the worst posts so far and I will completely flip my read on you

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


You can't possibly believe in ANYTHING you're saying here.
You don't like me but you need to revisit me. Ok but why you don't like me?
Why does gobble looks terrible?
Your conclusion on Koshi is the worst possible. Fanatic groupie? What??
Why is the case on tic tock horrible?
What was bad on the way deconduo got reads?

And the best one:

CAKE HAS UNEXPLAINED READS. HOW THE HELL DOES SHE HAD GOOD THOUGHTS????
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 23:35 GMT
#374
Copcake: Obvious town or maybe 3p. For 100% sure not mafia.
gobbledydook: dnu don't care
MoosyDoosy: obvious mafia
Rels: Not mafia. Hopefully town. Looks sane.
deconduo: Looks ok for D1. Didn't read his list post.
Tictock: Probably not mafia with how the baddies are defending him. Pure gut.
Superbia: Don't know don't care. Is allowed to die. Doesn't show alignment. Does just enough to not become suspicious. Which is suspicious.
Alakaslam: harmless, has no kp.
Xatalos: w.e bro
GlowingBear: Got reasons to believe he is town. Made 0 sense but that is not alignment indicative atm.
Sylencia: Deserves to die. Doesn't show alignment. I would kill Superbia over Sylencia if I wanted to hit anti town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 23:36 GMT
#375
On October 14 2015 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
okie I am back and around. As a note I refuse to participate in any lynch on my Chupazi master Alakaslam unless there is glaring evidence he is not town.

mmm...down to work. Basically people I don't like this far.

gobbledygook - terrible posts so far
Superbia - acting nothing like town and doing nothing for the thread
Koshi - there’s no reason to make a long post about how town will kill themselves. That’s just drawing way way too much attention to himself. I don’t think he’s scum so…fanatic groupie? maybe.

GlowingBear - I might have to revisit this.
Rels - terrible case on TicTock and terrible conclusions that he’s drawing.
deconduo - the way he got his reads was so bad it was o-o
CopCake - eh idk. she had some good thoughts but if she continues to not care then that’s a super scum read.


Ok this is one of the worst posts so far and I will completely flip my read on you

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy


You can't possibly believe in ANYTHING you're saying here.
You don't like me but you need to revisit me. Ok but why you don't like me?
Why does gobble looks terrible?
Your conclusion on Koshi is the worst possible. Fanatic groupie? What??
Why is the case on tic tock horrible?
What was bad on the way deconduo got reads?

And the best one:

CAKE HAS UNEXPLAINED READS. HOW THE HELL DOES SHE HAD GOOD THOUGHTS????

+1. I already capslocked that myself but I used to word retarded as well and I removed the entire post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 23:38 GMT
#376
I am pleasantly surprised by that post GB. I was thinking you would say something like "too scummy to be scum" " attacks everybody so not mafia" etc etc.
I had a good night of sleep.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
October 13 2015 23:41 GMT
#377
##Vote CopCake

Posts post-return sound like they come from a 3rd party who's only worried about mafia team. Unlike a lot of other people who used the word "mafia" during this game, it doesn't have the same implication that it means mafia/3p. Not convinced at all by the reasoning too.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 23:43 GMT
#378
Can you explain that Sylencia? What is he afraid of?
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 23:45 GMT
#379
On October 14 2015 08:38 Koshi wrote:
I am pleasantly surprised by that post GB. I was thinking you would say something like "too scummy to be scum" " attacks everybody so not mafia" etc etc.


He either isn't interested in the game so he just hangs around or he reads the game and give solid insights. He can't try to do both.

He basically made a list with no reasoning whatsoever. All his reads looks fabricated. I can see people being too scum to be scum but there are limits
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 23:45 GMT
#380
Anyway. If at the end of the day Moosy is not lynched I don't even know what game you people are reading. He just vomitted a bunch of "reads" into this thread and nothing makes me remotely believe him.

At least when I read this Copcake I can actually believe what he says.
I had a good night of sleep.
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