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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 11:45 GMT
#201
On October 13 2015 20:41 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Xata what do you think of Cake?


I'll reserve my judgment until later since last time I played with her she was like the towniest player in the game (tone/attitude-wise) but was scum after all :D


Cool
I'm adorable.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 11:51 GMT
#202
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 11:56 GMT
#203
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:05 GMT
#204
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town

OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything.
Sources:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hammertime mafia as town:
On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town

Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town:
On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia!

Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia:
On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!

I'm town

GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 12:05 GMT
#205
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town


Any player who has already played with me before knows I do this almost every time regardless of alignment
I'm adorable.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:10 GMT
#206
On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1

This dude looks like a cop-out artist here

Why

What is the true motive for this post?

What do you think it is ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:17 GMT
#207
On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.


Why do you need to write this?



Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


Hello anti town people


GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.

are you serious. I had to go back to check

GB's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1


You make things easier.

##vote: Koshi

On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start


Slam's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson

You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work

On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:
I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here


On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall


I assume you are referring to [image loading]

In which case you used the correct color.

But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these...
[image loading]

Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you.

Spoken with precision

On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!

Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas

On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1

This dude looks like a cop-out artist here

Why

What is the true motive for this post?


TT's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall


I assume you are referring to [image loading]

In which case you used the correct color.

But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these...
[image loading]

Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you.

On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:
So I was stupid today guys...

I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning

I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though.



Explain your town reads.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 12:24 GMT
#208
Well Rels is probably town for the sheer effort/focus he immediately brought to the game >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:28 GMT
#209
On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...

After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.

This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game.

I don't like that post. TT always "eventually gives meaningful and thought out posts". People sometimes thinks he's scummy because his thoughts are hard to follow, and he's very prompt at making conspiracy theory, even if it involves putting doubt on near-confirmed townies; but he's always re evalutating and thinking about solving the game.

Here TT is saying him making meaningful and thought out posts is rare; which is not true.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 12:28 GMT
#210
Hm. Truthfully, I'd also like to hear her reasons for those reads for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:31 GMT
#211
On October 13 2015 21:28 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...

After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.

This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game.

I don't like that post. TT always "eventually gives meaningful and thought out posts". People sometimes thinks he's scummy because his thoughts are hard to follow, and he's very prompt at making conspiracy theory, even if it involves putting doubt on near-confirmed townies; but he's always re evalutating and thinking about solving the game.

Here TT is saying him making meaningful and thought out posts is rare; which is not true.

This post by town!TT doesn't make sense, as it's not true he doesn't do meaningful posts.
This post by not-town!TT makes sense, as it does a few things:
- gives him an excuse his current "useless" behavious
- promises to do more later
- BIGGER THING: creates the premise that if he does "meaningful" posts, it will be a rare thing for him, and we should townread him for that. But that is just not true; TT as town always does meaningful posts
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 12:36 GMT
#212
I can see that logic... But are you sure he often makes good posts, or sees it that way himself?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 12:37 GMT
#213
What do you think of Koshi, rels?
I'm adorable.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 12:38 GMT
#214
On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them)

wow ok Superbia. I'm going to just think that you're like this because you're scared of me after last game. ^-^
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:38 GMT
#215
Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these:

On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy

Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die.


Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die?


I agree this was a shit vote.


On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:
Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1.

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.

Last post.

Only quality posts from now on.

I love you too.

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.

Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before.


Specially since he just stopped posting after that.

Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit".

On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on

GB
Copcake
onegu

Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!"

I think TT is not-town.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 12:40 GMT
#216
On October 13 2015 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I missed you Xata

OOOOH love confessions <3

On October 13 2015 20:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.

Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.

Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.

I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right.


I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode.

Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation.
You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do.

Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia.
QED


Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing.

Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb.


I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started.

What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town.

WE WERE 5 MINUTES IN THE GAME. YOU W0T M8??????????????????????????

Unfortunately Koshi is right here. I was feeling rather lazy after struggling through my other game so I just made some quips and went to bed. I did have a w--- dream about Ko--- chasing me.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:40 GMT
#217
On October 13 2015 21:36 Xatalos wrote:
I can see that logic... But are you sure he often makes good posts, or sees it that way himself?

Yes he always thinks about the game and re evaluates constantly. For example season of the witch 2; he was the first person to try hard in the thread. The very opposite of his play here.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:43 GMT
#218
On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels?

Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 12:50 GMT
#219
On October 13 2015 21:43 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels?

Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics.


At this point, you would prefer to lynch tic tock over him?
I'm adorable.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:55 GMT
#220
On October 13 2015 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Nobody cares Xatalos. Especially not Koshi.
There is 0 use for town to play this game at this point.

D1: We try our hardest and lynch mafia
N1: 3p/mafia shoots 2 town, town probably kills town
D2: We lynch 3p trash role
N2: 3p/mafia shoots 2 town,

D3 starts with 4 town, 1 mafia, 1 3p

Town only wins when they lynch mafia or 3P LITERALLY every day.



Or we don't give a shit.

We random lynch or lynch a random smuck the 1-2 silly tryhards don't like.
3p actually uses his brain at night and shoots into unknows/mafia, because mafia wins against him if they stay with 2 and there are too many unknown alignments for him.
D2 we still don't give 2 shits if only town died before. We just lynch a random smuck again that the tryhards wants us to lynch.
N2 we pray all the antitown KP actually hit antitown.
D3 we listen to the 3p who is mafia.
N3 SK kills a town.
D4 town tries to lynch 3p. If they fail they lose. Koshi wants to be there. Probably won't because respect kill and mafia isn't retarded.




tldr: Doesn't matter if town plays perfect or town plays trash. There is too much kp to punish good play. Mafia/3p might scumhunt as hard as town does anyway. Game is random.

tldr2: If you tryhard I just laugh at you.

Man. This seems to make sense, but your scenario 1 is super flawed: you take the CPR doc probably killing town into the equation but not CPR doc killing not-town, or saving someone, or the medic saving someone. Plus we can never be sure we are in scenario 2, since 3P can hide the alignement of the kills.
If we play perfectly and lynch not-town everyday + protect succesfully, we win. For that to happen, I agree that CPR doc needs to be good. The guy can either be a disaster, or chose between being a vig or a medic.
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