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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 12:56 GMT
#221
On October 13 2015 21:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 21:43 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels?

Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics.


At this point, you would prefer to lynch tic tock over him?

100%. Might evolve as I finish to catch up though.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:02 GMT
#222
On October 13 2015 21:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 21:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 13 2015 21:43 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels?

Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics.


At this point, you would prefer to lynch tic tock over him?

100%. Might evolve as I finish to catch up though.

Koshi is actually evolving towards town for this:
On October 13 2015 19:53 Koshi wrote:
IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION for people who can't read between lines.

It would be pretty cool to lynch anti-town. But playing on D1 random and not rewarding. There is a chance this game will become interesting D2. D1 it is pure shit. D2 has a 50% chance to still be shit.

I don't agree with him but his idea is understandable + he's explaining it and pushing it pretty hard.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:03 GMT
#223
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:04 GMT
#224
Yeah I also got bit of a townie image from Koshi after he pushed the issue so much. If it was just filler, it'd be hard to come up with so much stuff about it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:06 GMT
#225
On October 13 2015 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw?

Talking to me ? No read. I was happy you asked 'cause I thought you said "Superbia" p: something is bothering me about him, don't really know what. What do you think of Superbia?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 13 2015 13:06 GMT
#226
Ok my internet is down and I've only got 3G. I'll be back later and put some thoughts
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 13:07 GMT
#227
On October 13 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Nobody cares Xatalos. Especially not Koshi.
There is 0 use for town to play this game at this point.

D1: We try our hardest and lynch mafia
N1: 3p/mafia shoots 2 town, town probably kills town
D2: We lynch 3p trash role
N2: 3p/mafia shoots 2 town,

D3 starts with 4 town, 1 mafia, 1 3p

Town only wins when they lynch mafia or 3P LITERALLY every day.



Or we don't give a shit.

We random lynch or lynch a random smuck the 1-2 silly tryhards don't like.
3p actually uses his brain at night and shoots into unknows/mafia, because mafia wins against him if they stay with 2 and there are too many unknown alignments for him.
D2 we still don't give 2 shits if only town died before. We just lynch a random smuck again that the tryhards wants us to lynch.
N2 we pray all the antitown KP actually hit antitown.
D3 we listen to the 3p who is mafia.
N3 SK kills a town.
D4 town tries to lynch 3p. If they fail they lose. Koshi wants to be there. Probably won't because respect kill and mafia isn't retarded.




tldr: Doesn't matter if town plays perfect or town plays trash. There is too much kp to punish good play. Mafia/3p might scumhunt as hard as town does anyway. Game is random.

tldr2: If you tryhard I just laugh at you.

Man. This seems to make sense, but your scenario 1 is super flawed: you take the CPR doc probably killing town into the equation but not CPR doc killing not-town, or saving someone, or the medic saving someone. Plus we can never be sure we are in scenario 2, since 3P can hide the alignement of the kills.
If we play perfectly and lynch not-town everyday + protect succesfully, we win. For that to happen, I agree that CPR doc needs to be good. The guy can either be a disaster, or chose between being a vig or a medic.

These 2 scenarios are opposites of the spectrum, but even likely to happen than the 5876549876548975643548754 possibilities between them. This game is random. It might become a fun game. But it is random.

D2 will be 50% chance we start playing. D3 95% that we start playing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:10 GMT
#228
On October 13 2015 20:31 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:15 Superbia wrote:
Actually not going to post my post. Had a nice little theory written up about how I think both mafia and third party will play this game. Going to post it later (mayb n1) after people have "played". ;p


This sounds reasonable, but it's also a copout...

Shame on you sir.

Again TT being undecided and keeping his options open.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:15 GMT
#229
Alright finished catching up.
I like Koshi being like "NO TRYHARD" but being one of the guy pushing discussion forward p: I think him and Xatalos are town.
I think TT is not-town. Something is bothering me about Superbia too, will read his filter to know what.
##Vote TicTock
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:16 GMT
#230
Superbia.... Not sure. He said that he'd post his theories later on, but on second thoughts, maybe he should do that sooner rather than later. At least before D1 deadline... Well, it'd be fine if he did something else either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:17 GMT
#231
On October 13 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw?

Talking to me ? No read. I was happy you asked 'cause I thought you said "Superbia" p: something is bothering me about him, don't really know what. What do you think of Superbia?

OK I read Sylancia's gigantic filter and I have no idea why you asked me about it. Nothing is alignement indicative IMO. What do you think of his first posts ?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:22 GMT
#232
Could you maybe link some of TicTock's openers as town/scum or something? It's hard to say about his meta for me. I'll grant you that your posts dropped my read on him from very slight town to possibly anti-town.

As for Sylencia, he hasn't really done much of anything yet, but what caught my attention was that he just occasionally appeared into the thread to make some "harmless" questions etc. and immediately disappeared, then reappeared to ask something else later. I got the feeling then that he wasn't really trying to contribute, but rather to just appear as if he was doing something in the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:24 GMT
#233
OK I know what bothered me about Superbia. This post:
On October 13 2015 20:21 Superbia wrote:
Also brb.

was made 12 hours after this post:
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.

So two times he quit the thread saying "brb", as he felt the need to warn us he was leaving. It is not-town indicative 'cause it indicates he is concerned about how he looks.

And I say "he was leaving" even if "brb" doesn't indicate per se an exit because that's what he did both times: after the first he posted this and left:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.

After the second he posted nothing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 13:41 GMT
#234
On October 13 2015 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
Could you maybe link some of TicTock's openers as town/scum or something? It's hard to say about his meta for me. I'll grant you that your posts dropped my read on him from very slight town to possibly anti-town.

I will do it; but I don't think it's important how his openers are. The important thing is that he is always re evaluating the game and making thought out posts; so him saying "I might start making good posts this game" is nonsense.

This feeling is coming from the last game I played with him, season of the witch 2. Here are his 5 first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 15 2015 12:37 Tictock wrote:
Hiya!

I'm town, not the martyr though.

Rayn probs town, his thing on the martyr makes sense. If martyr uses their ability mafia gets to know the role of who they were targeting whiles getting to know who was the martyr at the same time, so eliminated 2 roles.

I suppose not claiming is fine as long as you don't martyr though, not sure there's a downside there.

I'll be back after I finish raiding.

On September 15 2015 14:20 Tictock wrote:
Yea looking back over things it looks like the best course of action for martyr is to not claim and not sacrifice themselves. It does say in OP

Show nested quote +
Martyr: Each night you will learn who is being killed by the Witch Kill. You can then choose to save that person by sacrificing yourself for them. Your heroic death will be made obvious. If Witch Kill doesn't go through, or isn't attempted, you will learn nothing.


Show nested quote +
Just to be clear, the martyr save is only made obvious as to it being a martyr save. Whoever was targeted is not revealed.


So while it seems like town will be notified that the NK was martyred (and thus know that it was martyr that died) it still gives mafia the role of the person who they were targeting.

There might be situations late in the game where that is useful but generally I can see how protecting someone tends to benefit mafia more.

I dont see what is gained from having the martyr claim though, seems unnecessary.

Rayn why do you think they should claim even if they don't intend to protect someone? How does it benifit mafia if they don't? Where is the benefit to town?

On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
As for the grail vote, I dont trust anyone enough to give it to just yet.

Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean.

Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean.

On September 15 2015 14:31 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 14:22 geript wrote:
Read the scum role. They learn who the NK targeted not the martyr. It's a plammar special nerf to the martyr.


Did I say something that made you think I didn't understand that?

They would know the NK was martyr'd kus someone other than their target died thus the person who dies who wasn't their target, plus the stuff I quoted about how it would be "made obviuse" that it kill was martyred. Plus the necro role info.

On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?

Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.

And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?

Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....




You asked earlier if TT really felt his posting was thoughtful. Look at this last post in the spoiler:
On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?

Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.

And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?

Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....


I know TT played as scum in Holy Guardians, and database says it's his only scum game. Here are his 5 first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 03 2015 06:01 Tictock wrote:
First? Yay

On June 03 2015 06:02 Tictock wrote:
Greetings Town. Lets find that red menace and put an end to them once and for all!

On June 03 2015 06:05 Tictock wrote:
Whow, that premade message from Kistart already... I kinda agree with it though.

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:03 Chocolate wrote:
##Vote Tictock

1v1 me m8


I'm sorry, who are you? lol

On June 03 2015 06:07 Tictock wrote:
@ SL
Man I half joined this game kus I was tired of tunneling you in every other game I've played in these forums..

Guess I just have to suck it up.

On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick

It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.

The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.




Wow I didn't think it was important, but you might be right; it is another thing indicating TT is not town. His posting this game is a lot more similar to Holy Guardians than season of the witch 2.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 13 2015 13:43 GMT
#235
brb is really only meta indicative. Some players do it some like me don't feel the need to report when they're here or not.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 13:49 GMT
#236
##vote Tictock
One of the tryhards is actually compelling. Unlike the other tryhard.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 13:50 GMT
#237
##unvote: Ticktock
##vote: Tictock


I have no idea how the bot works
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 13 2015 13:50 GMT
#238
##unvote
##vote: Tictock


3rd time good time
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 13 2015 14:06 GMT
#239
lol
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 14:19 GMT
#240
Am I the other tryhard? lol

Okay, it is more compelling than Sylencia. Let's see where this goes.

##Unvote
##Vote TicTock


(btw you don't necessarily need to unvote for your vote to count, if you make a new vote every previous vote of yours is automatically removed - it's just that it might take a moment to update since there's a 3 minute interval it scans the thread)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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