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On September 22 2015 02:43 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you talking about Tictock's big psot on LS' claim and play? Yeah I tried to break it down. The ONE point where I agree with him is why geript would visit LS and then that's what made me go back through LS's filter and I found something in LS's filter that makes him look really bad. He brought up something about geript RNGing who he'd visit so I just posed a question to LS now on it. The first half of Tictock's post was questioning the timing of LS's claim and doing it with little pressure. The problem with that sentiment is that LS as town is KNOWN for pulling that shit and known for losing his head as town under slight pressure. It has wrecked town before. That is what I tried to break down.
The point is not if he is fakeclaiming as town. Because if he is town he is 100% not fakeclaiming.
If he is mafai, however, that is the ONLY claim he is going to make (because it is based on geript's role whose role mafia knows 100%).
Again, the problem with Tictock's post is that he is saying the exact same thing i did before. Just with more words.
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The other thing I also apparently missed is that Tictock ninja voted (according to rayn) Dandel.
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On September 18 2015 01:55 Tictock wrote:Ok so checking back on LS. I felt like the way LS defending himself early was decent, and most of the arguments against him were based in meta which he provided counter-examples to. My issue when reading his filter though is that it is almost all him defending and answering questions. LS has very few reads, and only really pushes Damdred. Maybe I missed some posts but all I got from his filter was that LS is scumreading Damdred > geript, and that he thinks Rayn is town, and likes BM. The werid thing about his reads that Rels was pointing out is how he says this about geript before pushing Damdred. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?
Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. Geript is my scumread. No it wont change unless he start doing some townie things. At the time I didn't read the OP very well so ofc I thought your role claim thing was stupid. Well I turned to be sounding like a idiot for not reading the OP very well >.> It now makes much more sense after rereading the OP for the Martyr claim plan you had setup. then Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:On September 16 2015 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you have any other scumreads than geript? Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it? Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly just want to lynch Damdred for the reasons why I scumreading him. Also I think Rayn should be the Grail holder since he is almost certainly town. I prob wont be around EoD because of class ends at Eo so Damdrd is my vote for today's lynch.
##Deadline Vote: Damdred
##Holy Grail Vote: Raynpelikoneet When pressured to read me LS only comes up with null like he has all game, and besides this post I can't find anytime that he's trying to read anyone else. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 05:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just read Danel's filter and saw him claim Miller and I checked the op and there are no Miller's in the OP idk if he's trolling or mafia or both. Thoughts guys? But LS ignored Rel's case about Dandel when he was around earlier. It also seems pretty clear LS has no interest in the grail vote. Votes for rayn without bothering to consider anything about the grail (or that rayn is voting for geript to have it). Posts this Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
I guess I can just be happy we got 25 hours till EoD so we still got plenty of time to still think about the Grail vote. But then has no opinion about the grail when I asked him. All in all I'm not liking what I see. Rayn is probably right here.
On September 18 2015 02:13 Tictock wrote:
Ehh I honestly can't be bothered to make a case for myself getting the grail. Rels has a solid read on me this game though.
I might be fine giving it to FF, but at some level he's doing the same thing Damdred did. However FF is at least showing he gives a few shits about this game.
I'm not doing a good job managing me time, I think I'll have to cast my votes during my meal break at work.
On September 18 2015 04:47 Tictock wrote:
##deadline vote Dande lon
not only that his last "real post" is a case on LS...
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And Rels calls this guy obvious town...
rofl.
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On September 22 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is a set of posts Damdred made when there was a big wagon on him and basically LS was the only counter-wagon. At some time before these posts Rels has made a case on Dandel. The thing is this kinda play makes no sense as mafia because you are basically trying to get lynched here if you are mafia.
Damdred has obviously not read the case on Dandel before he makes his last post. That makes me almost definitely sure he has no team (who would tell him in scum QT that there is a case on Dandel he can save himself voting for). Instead of wanting to lynch LS Damdred stands behind his read on him. Now this could make sense if Damdred was mafia with LS, but then again, why doesn't he just vote for Dandel and "save them both"?
It makes literally no sense Damdred is mafia here. The vote switch to Dandel becomes way more interesting given this fact, and even the push on Damdred becomes interesting here because every other person (me, geript, HtS) who are actually good at reading LS (sorry Damdred, but your tracking record on people who you are supposed to be good at reading at hasn't been.... quite good lately) thinks LS is mafia.
Just checked - based on the bolded part of your quote, he did vote Dandel.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494815-season-of-the-witch-voting-thread?user=Damdred
But based on the quotes I think I understand what you are saying and why Damdred might not be the correct lynch.
Now Damdred is saying now that he doesn't believe LS's claim anyways. Hmmmmm......curious to hear his reasoning though. He's played enough with LS...
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I don't think it matters. Damdred is town anyways.
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[QUOTE]On September 17 2015 23:53 Tictock wrote:
I'm ok going forward on the idea to check Damdred, and I think I'm ok lynching into BM or Dandel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On September 19 2015 09:05 Tictock wrote:
I'm at work so can't post much.
Mostly just wanted to apologize for my EoD. Wasn't able to get a break before the day ended like I thought I would. Had to sneak away just to throw my vote on Dandel, and managed to check once more right before the day ended to make sure we were consolidated at least.
I wont be around for next EoD either, but I'll not leave things so last min this time.[/QUOTE]
Alright, this is all he says about Dandel, not a ninja vote, but you have the gap in explanation as to why the push on LS was dropped. Who else wanted him dead other than you and geript d1....a few people. And there was the threat of last minute shennanies but Tictock apparently wasn't around. But there was enough pressure to support a train on his primary scumread.
So I agree that Tictock looks worse in this respect. Maybe he really is pulling another Holy Guardians performance.
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On September 17 2015 23:53 Tictock wrote:
I'm ok going forward on the idea to check Damdred, and I think I'm ok lynching into BM or Dandel.
On September 19 2015 09:05 Tictock wrote:
I'm at work so can't post much.
Mostly just wanted to apologize for my EoD. Wasn't able to get a break before the day ended like I thought I would. Had to sneak away just to throw my vote on Dandel, and managed to check once more right before the day ended to make sure we were consolidated at least.
I wont be around for next EoD either, but I'll not leave things so last min this time.
Alright, this is all he says about Dandel, not a ninja vote, but you have the gap in explanation as to why the push on LS was dropped. Who else wanted him dead other than you and geript d1....a few people. And there was the threat of last minute shennanies but Tictock apparently wasn't around. But there was enough pressure to support a train on his primary scumread.
So I agree that Tictock looks worse in this respect. Maybe he really is pulling another Holy Guardians performance.
edit - fixed quotes
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Like if he literally thinks LS is the best lynch because i am right on LS at the time he makes his big post why doesn't he vote for LS then?
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Going to run for dinner. I should be back after then, I hope more people are around to discuss.
Unvoted Damdred for now.
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On September 22 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if he literally thinks LS is the best lynch because i am right on LS at the time he makes his big post why doesn't he vote for LS then?
Well he should mainly because it's his primary scumread and others were also against him, enough support for a train...
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Yeah re-checked voting thread - Dandel is his only vote ever. Meh.
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On September 22 2015 03:12 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if he literally thinks LS is the best lynch because i am right on LS at the time he makes his big post why doesn't he vote for LS then? Well he should mainly because it's his primary scumread and others were also against him, enough support for a train...
That's my point. He knows he is going to be at work by the EoD. He makes a big case on LS, yet he doesn't vote for him? It doesn't make any sense.
Then, on D2, he makes numbers analysis. He calls Damdred 70% town because there is 3/10 chance the cop is dead. He puts apparently all his effort at the time to that thing, except we know dandel and geript FOR SURE are not the cop, so the correct number for cop being dead is in fact 1/8....... Like if you do number analysis i would except you to AT LEAST put effort to that.
Then, he says, if me mislynch here bla and bla happens and then and then we are in lylo. But apparently he misses the fact that if we mislynch here there is probably gonna be a shot by a townie, which is incredibly likely to hit mafia. Again, if you do number analysis i would except you to AT LEAST put effort to that.
And that's all he has "put effort into" on D2, except for copying what i said on LS-.-
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And again, Rels thinks that dude is top 3 town... rofl.
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On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rels has a townread on him. but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him.He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them. He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below. Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
Yeah he is scummy as town, I thought he was mafia the last game too for a while. But he's playing exactly the same so what does he do as mafia? Why would he questioned confirmed town (Vivax) and universally townread (you) if he was mafia ? i think the better question is why would he do that as town? i don't think questioning me is alignment indicative, questioning Vivax definitely is. And he tryhard the whole D1, he was even the first to do so. I agree he needs to continue doing that starting now though Again, what does he do as mafia then? Being dumb or scummy is NOT a towntell.. Here is what he actually does say about him.Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Maybe I'm biaised because I think I can read him. I'll let him defend against what you said, and I'll also see if he starts being more active Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:On September 21 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh so you basically think there is only 2 mafia in this game?
rofl-. I'm not sure about the third I'll lynch TT because of POE over you or LS, but I read him as town Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 23:07 Rels wrote:
now I'm not going to do a town case on TT unless he is getting lynched and I still think he is town None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town.It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons...
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On September 22 2015 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:On September 22 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LIke fuck. I might add people to "never play with" category after this game.
This is the most annoying piece of shit i have ever tried to deal with it. fuck you i am sorry i was not talking about you. i was talkign about this game as a whole. people cant even bother to play or read the fucking OP. It is an INSULT towards the hosts. Hell even our CONFIRMED TOWN hasn't bother to read the mechanics of the game. Go fucking figure.
Alright. Sorry for the fuck you. Will go over your cases now
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On September 22 2015 00:55 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2015 00:16 Vivax wrote:The whole thing with BM and Rels brought up a couple of interesting points, but I think they are both town.
WHAT POINTS. Eh I think they are both town, so not really worth mentioning.
rofl. this gem.
please explain.
yes it's worth mentioning, if it isn't you would not call them interesting.
so please do elaborate.
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On September 22 2015 02:38 Half the Sky wrote:What gives me pause with Tictock's post is that if LS is actually town (and we'd know that if there's an exorcist shot the next day) it makes Tictock look a bit worse. In Holy Guardians he was mafia - he successfully pushed scummy townies to their deaths. I can see the same thing happening here. Here's an example. He brings up LS for pushing lurkers when he brought up Fidei except Fidei was NOT scumread by him for being a lurker in fact it was a reason that was in his filter. Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 09:59 LightningStrike wrote:On September 20 2015 09:44 Tictock wrote:
No one has claimed a redcheck, so who else do you think is scum LS? Idk quite honestly if I wrong on anyone could be James because I a huge sucker for people actually defend me when I get under fire he been kinda me focused I guess more than anyone filter % wise he wasn't talking much about anyone compared to me O_o LS scumread Fidei for hyperfocusing on him not for being lurky. Yes Fidei is lurky but that's not why he scumread him. Big difference in what he's trying to communicate there. There's that and the fact that the prior argument in his massive post he's trying to apply it as if LS was a rational town player when he is town, but I know for the fact that he is not. Where this gets murky is that Tictock I do not believe has actual exposure to playing with him, so that entire first part could just be sheer ignorance on his part. It's just that his Holy Guardians performance gives me some pause in townreading him for that post.
Actually that is a decent point, I was just remembering that Fidei was the only person LS talked about when asked who he scum read past Damdred.
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On September 22 2015 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 01:55 Tictock wrote:Ok so checking back on LS. I felt like the way LS defending himself early was decent, and most of the arguments against him were based in meta which he provided counter-examples to. My issue when reading his filter though is that it is almost all him defending and answering questions. LS has very few reads, and only really pushes Damdred. Maybe I missed some posts but all I got from his filter was that LS is scumreading Damdred > geript, and that he thinks Rayn is town, and likes BM. The werid thing about his reads that Rels was pointing out is how he says this about geript before pushing Damdred. On September 16 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?
Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. Geript is my scumread. No it wont change unless he start doing some townie things. At the time I didn't read the OP very well so ofc I thought your role claim thing was stupid. Well I turned to be sounding like a idiot for not reading the OP very well >.> It now makes much more sense after rereading the OP for the Martyr claim plan you had setup. then On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:On September 16 2015 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you have any other scumreads than geript? Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it? On September 17 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly just want to lynch Damdred for the reasons why I scumreading him. Also I think Rayn should be the Grail holder since he is almost certainly town. I prob wont be around EoD because of class ends at Eo so Damdrd is my vote for today's lynch.
##Deadline Vote: Damdred
##Holy Grail Vote: Raynpelikoneet When pressured to read me LS only comes up with null like he has all game, and besides this post I can't find anytime that he's trying to read anyone else. On September 16 2015 05:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just read Danel's filter and saw him claim Miller and I checked the op and there are no Miller's in the OP idk if he's trolling or mafia or both. Thoughts guys? But LS ignored Rel's case about Dandel when he was around earlier. It also seems pretty clear LS has no interest in the grail vote. Votes for rayn without bothering to consider anything about the grail (or that rayn is voting for geript to have it). Posts this On September 17 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
I guess I can just be happy we got 25 hours till EoD so we still got plenty of time to still think about the Grail vote. But then has no opinion about the grail when I asked him. All in all I'm not liking what I see. Rayn is probably right here. Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 02:13 Tictock wrote:
Ehh I honestly can't be bothered to make a case for myself getting the grail. Rels has a solid read on me this game though.
I might be fine giving it to FF, but at some level he's doing the same thing Damdred did. However FF is at least showing he gives a few shits about this game.
I'm not doing a good job managing me time, I think I'll have to cast my votes during my meal break at work. not only that his last "real post" is a case on LS...
I explained that I didn't leave myself proper time to play out that EoD as. I wanted. Also explained why I consolidated with the rest of town in my first post today.
I'll prob ninja vote today too kus this is my only break before eod i think.
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