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raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 18:53 GMT

#1761

On September 22 2015 03:51 Tictock wrote:

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On September 22 2015 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 18 2015 01:55 Tictock wrote:
Ok so checking back on LS.

I felt like the way LS defending himself early was decent, and most of the arguments against him were based in meta which he provided counter-examples to.

My issue when reading his filter though is that it is almost all him defending and answering questions. LS has very few reads, and only really pushes Damdred.

Maybe I missed some posts but all I got from his filter was that LS is scumreading Damdred > geript, and that he thinks Rayn is town, and likes BM.

The werid thing about his reads that Rels was pointing out is how he says this about geript before pushing Damdred.

On September 16 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:

On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?

Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm.

Geript is my scumread. No it wont change unless he start doing some townie things. At the time I didn't read the OP very well so ofc I thought your role claim thing was stupid. Well I turned to be sounding like a idiot for not reading the OP very well >.> It now makes much more sense after rereading the OP for the Martyr claim plan you had setup.

then

On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:

On September 16 2015 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you have any other scumreads than geript?

Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it?

On September 17 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly just want to lynch Damdred for the reasons why I scumreading him. Also I think Rayn should be the Grail holder since he is almost certainly town. I prob wont be around EoD because of class ends at Eo so Damdrd is my vote for today's lynch.
##Deadline Vote: Damdred
##Holy Grail Vote: Raynpelikoneet

When pressured to read me LS only comes up with null like he has all game, and besides this post I can't find anytime that he's trying to read anyone else.

On September 16 2015 05:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just read Danel's filter and saw him claim Miller and I checked the op and there are no Miller's in the OP idk if he's trolling or mafia or both. Thoughts guys?

But LS ignored Rel's case about Dandel when he was around earlier.

It also seems pretty clear LS has no interest in the grail vote. Votes for rayn without bothering to consider anything about the grail (or that rayn is voting for geript to have it). Posts this

On September 17 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
I guess I can just be happy we got 25 hours till EoD so we still got plenty of time to still think about the Grail vote.

But then has no opinion about the grail when I asked him.

All in all I'm not liking what I see. Rayn is probably right here.

On September 18 2015 02:13 Tictock wrote:
Ehh I honestly can't be bothered to make a case for myself getting the grail. Rels has a solid read on me this game though.

I might be fine giving it to FF, but at some level he's doing the same thing Damdred did. However FF is at least showing he gives a few shits about this game.

I'm not doing a good job managing me time, I think I'll have to cast my votes during my meal break at work.

On September 18 2015 04:47 Tictock wrote:
##deadline vote Dande lon

not only that his last "real post" is a case on LS...

I explained that I didn't leave myself proper time to play out that EoD as. I wanted. Also explained why I consolidated with the rest of town in my first post today.

I'll prob ninja vote today too kus this is my only break before eod i think.

no, you don't get to do this shit again when you haven't done anything this day phase.
1) Why did you not vote for LS while making a big case on him?
2) Why don't you put any thought into your number analysis or even check if you are correct?
3) Why do you 100% parrot me on LS and write 1000 words about it instead of sayign "i agree with rayn LS is the best lynch here"?
4) Why are you not scumhunting instead on (2) and (3) and not even doing that properly?

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:01 GMT

#1762

On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It comes down to this here basically:

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First:
Rels thinks it is obvious Damdred and James are mafia. Fair enough.
For some reason he insists we lynch Damdred over James. Why? It doesn't make any sense as he is sure both of them are mafia.

I'm way more sure Damdred is mafia than fidei.
I was scumreading Damdred D1, and that's why I pushed the plan to check him.
Starting with this post I'm sure Damdred is mafia:

On September 21 2015 17:07 Rels wrote:

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OK guys
That is multiple times Damdred has posted like that through the game
I know I'm part of the "if no claim Damdred is green" crew, but Damdred has to be mafia here
I suppose this also means Shining was the inquisitor

He multiple times said he would do stuff and ended up not doing it without excuses. I saw he did it again after I left. Damdred is mafia and if it's suspicious you cannot see it.
I had a townread on fidei D1. I started having a scumread after his "inquisitor should claim" and his inactivity D2 as showed here:

On September 20 2015 20:52 Rels wrote:

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I think fidei can be mafia actually, if Damdred is not. I liked his first post but he has really been inactive since. And I didn't like his "inquisitor shouldn't claim" post.

Now I'm not convinced he's mafia, and in opposition to Damdred, his excuses are valid as they have mostly been validated by HTS. Your case on him isn't very strong I feel. Him not being sure about HTS for example doesn't mean anything.
So I would lynch him, but not over Damdred.

On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Second:
Then we talk about tictock.
Rels has a townread on him.
but he cannot lay out a single reason why he has a town read on him.
He has meta points, he doesn't clarify them.
He has also bad points that actually make more sense from scum than town perspective (see the middle of the quote below.

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Here is what he actually does say about him.

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None of this makes any sense because if Rels thinks TT is town, Rels should be arguing why he is town.
It helps the town in PoE. I think it is more likely he doesn't actually have any reasons to think TT is town, because the reasons he has laid out are not really reasons...

Before today I didn't have to do a case to defend TT. And BTW I think he's town but I'm interested about what he has to say about your points, I think he didn't address them. During the weekend I had a lot of time, that I used to read filters before being stopped by that stupid BM fight.
I stand by all of what you quoted, if TT is town he fooled me until now. But I'll do a TT case when I have time (IE not tonight, unless the lynch is set before deadline). BTW that's why I wanted and I still want to have him checked if fidei is dead tonight:

On September 21 2015 17:04 Rels wrote:
Now we need to talk about the check target
Obviously if fidei isn't lynched or shot, we need to check him. So, if fidei is alive N2; check him IMO.
Now he will probably get shot, so we need to decide a check target.
I think TT is the best check because:
- I think he's town
- some people thinks he's mafia, so he's an easy mislynch
- there is a good chance he's alive until the end of the game

On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Third thing is this:

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He can't lay out reasons why either of FF/TT is mafia.
It's not uncommon in itself, but he doesn't even care. He doesn't read HtS scum either.
Like in his world (not counting my next point), FF basically HAS to be mafia if TT is not, but instead of figuring it out by himself he trusts HtS' meta read on him........ It doesn't make any sense because again, if TT is strong town!!! he is DEFINITELY missing something and then it is most likely HtS meta read. But instead he doesn't care. At all.

You say here I'm not fucking scumhunting. Guess what I was doing while you were AFK during the weekend; I filter dove to check if LS was really scum and who were the other mafias. In spoiler 'cause it's long:
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On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:
Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points:

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Maybe the last voters get less points, as at this point it was pretty clear Damdred would be checked though. But they still participated on something that is bad for mafia, which would be unnatural if they were mafia.

On September 19 2015 18:58 Rels wrote:
So geript was killed. His reads were:

Town
rayn
Damdred
BM
Vivax

Maybe town
Shining

Maybe scum
fidei
FF
HTS ? (not sure)

Scum
LS

Disclaimer: NK WIFOM following.
Two people are the most incriminated by this kill.
LS: no explanation needed.
HTS: geript's kill was a surprise to me. I thought the kill would be rayn, I, or maybe Damdred. Now we could all have been protected by angels (assuming Shining was town), so the shot was a medic dodge. I thought that if the mafia wanted to medic dodge, they would have shot HST or soup Vivax. Now Vivax is confirmed town, but I find it weird HTS wasn't the shot since the mafia team medic dodged.

On September 20 2015 17:28 Rels wrote:
hello everyone (=
so every single person is OK lynching LS. That means this lynch is mafia approved: either a mislynch or a bus
I have a few hours before I need to do other stuff, so I will try to filter dive everyone. If I don't have the time I won't do the people I'm pretty sure are town

On September 20 2015 18:45 Rels wrote:
I started my filter diving with LS since he's the focus of today.

Town points:
1
Outside of his play, everybody is OK lynching him now. This indicates either a mislynch or a bus. So the question is: was LS' situation bad enough to warrant a bus ? With geript being killed and rayn hard pushing his lynch, maybe.
2
Seemed genuinely angry when being attacked D1. Defended himself without reading the thread, which is town indicative; scum wouldn't do a mistake like that I think.
Posts like these are both genuine and indicative of not reading the thread properly:
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On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

On September 15 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote:

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Remeber when I said I need to read the thread more carefully? Ya that exactly what happen I saw that you had me in a list but you were voting Shining. Damdred the last he was mafia he called me out when I was town very early in Gaiden 1 so I still having a little pause for now on him.

On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them.

Mafia points:
In spoiler rayn' and geript' post against LS, which I will merge with my own points below.
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On September 17 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS i believe is mafia for several reasons.

His opening. Geript is definiteky right about his meta. Also see the next point. I talked about this earlier.

LS has really hard time lying as mafia. Here he does things that are scummy when not explained. When people ask him to ezplain, instead of laying out his thought process he takes a re-route and talks about something distantly related to the matter (see for example the GB stuff - that jhas nothing to do with what geript said because gb is NEVER a town leader even when he is "leading"). Also see the part where i ask his grail vote.

Sorry for bad explanation. I am on phone and posting on phone is shit.

On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well.

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My initial point, which is still not properly explained (because it cannot be explained): rayn explained why martyr not claiming is bad. LS was against this martyr plan because he didn't read the OP. Whatever, this is not scum indicative. But instead explaining why rayn's plan was bad, he asked him a question rayn had answered 3 minutes ago and left the thread.
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On September 15 2015 16:56 Rels wrote:
Fucking seriously. rayn posts this explaining why martyr not claiming is a bad idea:

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Then LS post this 3 minutes later:

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@LS did you read rayn post (the first quote in this post) before asking a question ?

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LS has trouble explaining himself, and always answers something that doesn't answer the question. It could be indicative of scum refusing to commit an his answers. I'm talking about posts like that:
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On September 15 2015 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:

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I was asking her if I am capable posting some of the posts as mafia. I meant to add if so which posts and I can explain my thought my process on the post.

On September 17 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote:

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I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed?

On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:

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When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. About his responses to Rels and you: It's okay nothing to spectacular about it.
Also I think Vivax might be our best grail vote since hs is the unCCed Martyr and that role seems way antitown I doubt mafia would waste their KP to soup kill a Martyr.
##HolyGrailUnvote
##HolyGrailVote:Vivax

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geript's meta read, which I suppose is true, and is definitely sincere since geript was killed.
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Conclusion
Maybe scum. Voting him atm, but the unanimity of his lynch bothers me.

On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:
Now about BM.

Town points
1
Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative.

Mafia points
In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case.
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On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.

I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:

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"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.

This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.

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Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.

Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.

No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.

Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:

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So he rereads to find something:

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And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.

Proof:

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On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard

His post at page 15:

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:

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Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does

On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15

So yeah, BM is bullshittin

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Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning:
- TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term)
- saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town)
- not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax'
Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads.
So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by:
1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same
2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him

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BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative.
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On September 19 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:
Now that plan of directing the cop check is really bad for the mafia and really good for town. So everybody that participated in it will have town points:

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BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred.
What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post.
Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia.
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On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred

On September 20 2015 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I changed my vote to LS

Conclusion
Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.

On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:
I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia:
- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS.
- not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff
So nothing strong.

Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily.
@FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed.

Then I was stopped by BM attacking me hard.
And I have a fucking scum team of 3 people: Damdred, fidei, BM, in order of likeliness.
Damdred is 99% mafia.
Fidei has legit excuses, but uses them to do nothing this day and wants the inquisitor to not claim a red check.
BM's first batch of posts D2 are nonsense if he's town unless he's one certain role.
So yeah, I think FF AND TT are town over those three people.

On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Last thing;
Okay the point before could be understood if this;

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.... was true.
That would mean Rels reads me as scum (as i think the quote says, because it makes no sense to not list Vivax here otherwise). But apparently he doesnt. Apparently he doesn't read BM mafia either, because if he did he would be arguing he is the third mafia. Apparently he doesn't read HtS mafia either, which is quite clear from his posts.

So, given all this, he basically has to think FF is the last mafia given that he has a strong townread on TT (over BM and HtS both). There is literally no other possible answer.

But again, his answer is;

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So they guy basically has 100% PoE'd FF as last mafia but calls him town because of someone else's meta read.
no no no.

It is almost 100% certain Rels fucked up at some point when talking with me (i think it's the point where he called TT strongest town after me and LS - and couldn't just explain properly anymore). The fact is he is contradicting himself, and for the person who says he is being scumhunting all game long it doesn't make any fucking sense that NOW, suddenly NOW he really doesn't care about scumhunting anymore. (yes he really doesn't, i think i have pointed that out clearly).

Please show me where I fucked up at some point since you are 100% certain.
You admited since you misunderstood my post, so I assume this is retracted ? Unless you found another contradiction.

On September 21 2015 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ the fact i brought up on D1;
It is a minor point but i think it still stands. Here;

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I actaully think Rels is trying to push a mislynch on Damdred who is inactive for whatever reason. He knows LS is gonna claim on D2 because i WILL be pushing him for his play and LS doesn't listen / think properly.
His play doesn't make any sense otherwise (another point on my argument on the James/Damdred thing).

Rels is scum. Nothing in his play on D2 makes any sense.
He has only been interested in people who he should not be interested in (except for BM, but that didn't go anywhere). After that, he just doesn't care about people he should care about (TT/FF).

You again say your argument that it's weird I voted Dandel over LS N1. But you're not showing me HOW my Dandel push is scummy. Especially now that I think LS is town, you cannot say LS was a better lynch atm. Now that he has claimed, obviously he was the better lynch, but I don't think he's mafia.

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:04 GMT

#1763

On September 22 2015 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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It has to do with mechanics because you are contesting several people about their "plans" or whatever you want to call them when they are being completely reasonable with them. YOU are the one who hasn't read them, and if they are mafia you give them a completely reasonable reason to talk about something that is NOT relevant to "who is mafia"....

that's what i am talking about.

Rels:
I am once more trying to be very clear and i want you to answer me as clearly as you can, please. I am not trying to be a dick towards you, it just makes me see red when someone doesn't even bother to read my post and then argues mee with something that is like 10% of the case....

Here are my problems with you:
1) You for some reason insist that we lynch Damdred on this day. You clearly think (or thought, before you called me mafia) - at that time - that both of Damdred and James are 100% mafia. So, there are actually reasons for Damdred to be town, if the cop is alive. And the fact that EVERYONE calls Damdred mafia. It literally makes James more likely to be mafia, REGARDLESS OF Damdred's play. But somehow you, an obviously bright person, can't see that and make the most obvious conclsuion (that James is clearly the best lynch here).
2) You are not interested in figuring out who the last mafia is. You just are not. In your world FF or BM should be the last mafia. But instead of figuring out which one, you come to conclusion "i trust HtS' meta read on FF yolo" and "BM is either mafia or town tomorrow for reasons i won't give here". That is not scumhunting, that is avoiding scumhunting. Which is scummy, as you JUST had called BM 90% scum......
3) Your read on TT is literally shit. Here are your reasons for reading him town:
- TT is always scummy - yeah that really makes him town right?
- I am good at reading TT - yeah you literally 100% misread him last game....... makes sense?
- Why would he question confirmed town (Vivax) - that is not a fucking towntell, it's a scumtell, because he should NOT do that as town...

So yeah, can you see why i have a hard time thinking you are town. That's literally everything you have done on D2 besides arguing about pointless things with me and BM (yes, your argument was really pointless from both ends). I don't give any fucks if you have 2 pages or 100 pages of filter, those are clear inconsistencies in your thought process i think should not be there if you are town.

So please, if you are town, explain.

The three points are explained in the other post.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:07 GMT

#1764

What is the reason BM is 100% confimred the next day?

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:07 GMT

#1765

alright now that it's fucking done, let us talk about the fucking lynch
I agree that if we don't know who to lynch, LS is the go-to option.
I saw that Damdred was still being called town by rayn and that is super bad. I will respond to his "Damdred is town" case and show why Damdred is 99% mafia.
fidei is a fine lynch too. He said he would catch up tonight and is not here.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:08 GMT

#1766

And your read on TT is still literally shit and you didn't explain anything.
I can somehow understand your response to (1). But you are either terribly wrong or mafia.

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

September 21 2015 19:10 GMT

#1767

HTS I will address the RNG thing I talked about in my post about Geript: I couldn't tell by the wording if he can visit people himself via telling the host who he want to visit or if it's RNG based like a wondering townie. It' a bit odd for Geript to visit me but he did idk what made him choose to go to me at the end but he did and I know he going to have a lot of explaining to do with me in the angel qt if I die either lynched or souped and he will explain post game to you guys. I will be here EoD just at College waiting for my dad to pick me up so I will be here for a bit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:14 GMT

#1768

LS if you want to help make a list of all players and why they are scum or town:.
With all the reasoning you can ever gather. That is literally the only thing you can do to help.

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:14 GMT

#1769

On September 22 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the reason BM is 100% confimred the next day?

Alright rayn.
BM's first batch of posts was about Damdred being mafia, before we could see if Damdred would play today.
He voted him, pushed him, and started making association (yeah finally found that fucking word) cases based on Damdred being mafia.
BUT Damdred was 99% being checked tonight. EVEN IF BM didn't believe Damdred was town, he should have waited until we had more infos about the inquisitor; so at least D3. At the very least, he should have waited to see if the inquisitor would claim.
So BM knows Damdred is scum. He is either his teammate or the inquisitor.
Talking about these posts:

On September 19 2015 12:58 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh yeah, by the way, I missed the EoD by 13 minutes. Came online at 6:13. was very disappointed, until I realized Dandy was probably Cavalier and sniped Shining-scum

but yeah im pretty sure scumteam was/is one of Shining/Damdred... and if Damdred is scum, pretty sure he is with FF.

If it's not FF it's Rels. Depends how Damdred plays. Might be neither, but there are some tells in his filter that point me in those directions.

Pretty sure Damdred is an A-B-C player, which would be Damdred/FF scumteam

I am playing based upon "worst case scenario" ... with there being 7 town left. If it's 8-2 ... then maybe damdred is just playing poorly this game... anyways i dont see him being scum with shining ... im really just not seeing a way i was right about shining's flip... idk im kind of tired and rambling but im keeping my vote for now unless rayn wants to talk me off of it

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

September 21 2015 19:16 GMT

#1770

You know what whether HTS likes it or not I will tell you guys about her OGI she was referring to earlier in the game I completely just thought of it just now: When I was trying to cohost with her on her large themed game I told her I was going to college and let her know if I can still cohost for her so after I did get my schedule for my classes, I found out I can still Cohost for her so I told her that I can still cohost for her for that game. That why she believed me when I said I taking a reading class(missed the TSI by 5 whole points T_T) so ya I actually working on my reading for my first semester.

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:17 GMT

#1771

On September 22 2015 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And your read on TT is still literally shit and you didn't explain anything.
I can somehow understand your response to (1). But you are either terribly wrong or mafia.

Maybe I'm wrong on TT. He's not the lynch today though, so I'll match his play this game to the personality game tomorrow and see if I was right. I don't think he answered your post about him ?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:18 GMT

#1772

Okay you are town.
You are not necessarily right but you are town.
Let's murder LS and shoot James in case LS is town.

Basically we have then 2 mafia left.
In TT/BM/Damdred.
If BM is cop mafia cannot kill him, otherwise they are doomed.
If BM is not a cop then we'll figure it out the next day.

HtS and FF are not gonna be mafia here. You are not mafia, i am not mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:19 GMT

#1773

Do you agree Rels?

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:20 GMT

#1774

On September 22 2015 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay you are town.
You are not necessarily right but you are town.
Let's murder LS and shoot James in case LS is town.

Basically we have then 2 mafia left.
In TT/BM/Damdred.
If BM is cop mafia cannot kill him, otherwise they are doomed.
If BM is not a cop then we'll figure it out the next day.

HtS and FF are not gonna be mafia here. You are not mafia, i am not mafia.

I agree. We should shoot Damdred instead of fidei though. I'll compile all the time he said he would do something and didn't deliver now.

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:21 GMT

#1775

Especially since BM confirmed Damdred is scum, whatever his alignement is.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:21 GMT

#1776

No no, no shot on Damdred.
It doesn't confirm anything and it's a disaster if you are wrong.

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

September 21 2015 19:23 GMT

#1777

Shoot or lynch James imo but I willing to get lynched as long you guys kill James, Ticktock, and or Damdred with the exorcist kill you have to promise that so I can vote for myself to hammer myself to make sure you guys catch scum.
Damdred: Self explained in my entire filter.
James: Self explained in my filter in the later pages when people asked who was scum outside of Damdred.
Ticktock: I sheeping HTS on her meta read where he pushes scummy townies to death which he doing this game plus in my PoE he was the last one I had since I had him null.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

September 21 2015 19:23 GMT

#1778

There is a chance that BM is actually playing really well and does not give away his role and expects something.
I do the same, hell as i said at the start of the game i got lynched once because robik thought i was claiming one of the nine town roles (rofl) when i was... guess what? (EVEN MORE ROFL, WORST CASE EVER)

Rels

France13467 Posts

September 21 2015 19:25 GMT

#1779

[b]The "Damdred is catching up" compilation post[b]

On September 17 2015 02:47 Damdred wrote:
I'll catch up when I'm out of the shop

And he didn't.

On September 17 2015 06:57 Damdred wrote:
Pat ff

Well I'm here for a bit will be catching up.

But I will say this generally my scum meta isn't to just lurk generally.

Self meta to excuse his behaviour.

On September 18 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Though lynching me here might not be a horrid decision...i won't be able to play full time till sunday

It's Monday now.

Now his TWO POSTS D2:

On September 21 2015 07:04 Damdred wrote:
Hi friend sim back just now will be catching up here and posting some as I read

On September 22 2015 01:09 Damdred wrote:
I will be around in 2-5 hours. I'm driving home now so just a small amount of patience I really don't want to tell why I've been so busy the past week to influence the game in that regard.

But I don't think I believe ls claim anyway

I retract my earlier percentage. This guy is 100% scum.

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

September 21 2015 19:26 GMT

#1780

On September 22 2015 04:21 Rels wrote:
Especially since BM confirmed Damdred is scum, whatever his alignement is.

Where did BM said he got a red check on Damdred? I don't recall BM saying he had a red check on Damdred.