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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 15:32 GMT
#1701
LIke fuck. I might add people to "never play with" category after this game.
This is the most annoying piece of shit i have ever tried to deal with it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 15:33 GMT
#1702
fashkiaolsh .fkjgjbtf
'i am fucking off now
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 21 2015 15:33 GMT
#1703
On September 22 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like there is literally no fucking reason for you to say "i will lynch TT if it comes to that while he is my top 3 townread huehu (while actually he is top 4)" when you have fucking 5 more people who you think are likely to be mafia.

THE POST DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE IF YOU DIDN'T SUGGEST THERE IS A CHANCE I AM MAFIA OR LS IS MAFIA.

do you even believe what you're writing
Vivax is not in the lynch list
The people I thought were town you, LS, TT
How do I FUCKING suggest you were mafia or LS is mafia
I'm doing the opposite
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 21 2015 15:35 GMT
#1704
in fact I was doing the opposite
In the lynchable people, I would lynch TT third
HOW THE FUCK DO I SUGGEST YOU ARE MAFIA MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT LS AND VIVAX
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 21 2015 15:35 GMT
#1705
I need to go
You read my post wrong
THINK about it if you're town
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 15:36 GMT
#1706
Fine Rels.
We lynch Damdred. If he is town that one role shoots you in the face and we lynch TT and James then.

Deal?
Then i don't have to talk to you anymore in this game.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 21 2015 15:36 GMT
#1707
On September 22 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LIke fuck. I might add people to "never play with" category after this game.
This is the most annoying piece of shit i have ever tried to deal with it.

fuck you
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 15:37 GMT
#1708
On September 22 2015 00:35 Rels wrote:
I need to go
You read my post wrong
THINK about it if you're town

And i clearly explained WHY YOUR ACTIONS IN THIS GAME DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE if i read it wrong.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 21 2015 15:38 GMT
#1709
On September 22 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fine Rels.
We lynch Damdred. If he is town that one role shoots you in the face and we lynch TT and James then.

Deal?
Then i don't have to talk to you anymore in this game.

THIS IS WHO I AM VOTING RIGHT NOW
YOU ARE THE ONE DEFENDING FUCKING DAMDRED
fuck you you called me piece of shit to make me angry I don't care about what you're saying
Damdred / you / BM or fidei
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 15:38 GMT
#1710
On September 22 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LIke fuck. I might add people to "never play with" category after this game.
This is the most annoying piece of shit i have ever tried to deal with it.

fuck you

i am sorry i was not talking about you.
i was talkign about this game as a whole.
people cant even bother to play or read the fucking OP.

It is an INSULT towards the hosts. Hell even our CONFIRMED TOWN hasn't bother to read the mechanics of the game.
Go fucking figure.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22091 Posts
September 21 2015 15:43 GMT
#1711
What does this have to do with mechanics.

Damdred doesn't care in the slightest and he had a SHITTON of out of game days to fix that and whatever he's busy with, and he still doesn't care.

All this role talk doesn't change that fact which is a fact that makes people mafia or douchebag townies.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 21 2015 15:48 GMT
#1712
So to his credit, LS has been pushed on pretty much all game long. I get that it can be frustrating to be scumread and pushed by almost everyone, but if that's the case then it should be pretty important to listen to the reasons why people are pushing scum on you and react to that.

In this case LS has been pushed because of meta, and because he hasn't been giving very many reads this game. Besides his long post rehashing his D1 Damdred read LS has only stated that Fidei might be scum today. Multiple people have called him out for this or asked him to give more reads, but it hasn't happened.

Hell just the fact that LS is only targeting lurkers with his reads today is fairly telling, but onto the claim.

So rather than talk about reads or push on people LS thinks could be scum he decided to claim instead.

On September 20 2015 21:38 LightningStrike wrote:
You know what fuck it I don't even want to live the long game for my role to be useful because I would most likely be mislynched before it becomes good. I'm the POPE I was visted by Geript who is the WANDERING WRAITH I was wondering why the fuck I would get Night 1 check result from Palmar but it turned out the pm was that Geript visted me and he was the WANDERING WRAITH before he died so I know Geript is 100% town other than NK WIFOM but also because he was the WANDERING WRAITH because he visted me. Here is my obligatory picture of a pope:
[image loading]


Right off I'm noticing that there is too much focus on the "Wandering Wraith" point here. It's like LS is pushing that point harder than the fact that he is claiming Pope. In fact it is literally the main point of this post.

Now it has been discussed that LS is uncomfortable lying (not sure how Rels got to incapable), which makes sense because as scum it is difficult to keep up with lies and fabricating reads and stuff takes a bit of work.

So I have to think here, why would LS as town claim one of the worst roles for town to claim rather than simply giving out his unabashed and full reads on everyone? Surely it would be worth it to keep your role safe and make more efforts to play properly before resorting to claiming. I don't know LS all that well so maybe the pressure really did get to him, but I have a hard time seeing a town!LS claim so easily with this role.

On the flip side, as Mafia what would be harder for LS to do? Fabricate reads on a bunch of people who he hasn't given reads on yet, or fakeclaim?

Clearly the fakeclaim option is both easier and more beneficial to scum as they potentially get a nice soupkill if there is a CC.

I also found LS's all caps posts following people questioning this claim to reak of faked emotion. Hard to back this point up, but if you look at LS's filter after his claim (pg 7 of his filter) he goes back and forth between using all caps. Sorta seems to me like he wanted to look like he got mad, but then dropped it when he threw out the crazy notion that Wraith RNG visited, then remembered what he was doing. Idk kinda a weakish point maybe.

Brings me to the last part of this that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would geript visit LS? Geript was clearly scumreading LS hard and if he was the wraith then he surely understood the role (Which wants t try and visit Pope and Grandier). I don't see any situation where it would have been a good idea for geript to visit LS.

The hyperfocus on the wraith part of LS's claim leads me to believe that it is likely true. As scum it would be the only information available to push out there to strengthen your claim. As town it doesn't seem like the pertinent information. Like you know your role, that's what your claiming. Your not claiming you got visited and that proves your role.

So yea, I think LS's claim is totally fake and think we should lynch him.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 21 2015 15:55 GMT
#1713
On September 22 2015 00:16 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
The whole thing with BM and Rels brought up a couple of interesting points, but I think they are both town.


WHAT POINTS.

Show nested quote +
Damdred and Fidei have both been completely absent today, which makes it hard especially when Damdred has been heavily contested all game. Fidei I think at least has a decent excuse for putting more focus on his other game, but I'm thinking this makes him a solid check.


WAT

Show nested quote +
I'll throw together a post as to why I think the claim LS made is BS, if he somehow turns out to be town then Damdred is a solid shot if he will not play the game. I don't think they are both mafia here.


HOW DOES HE TURN TOWN IN A SETUP WITH NO FLIPS. WAT.

Show nested quote +
I'm kinda ignoring rayn going off on Rels for the post that says I'm higher on his PoE than rayn, but I do find it odd that Rels listed Rayn and LS as more town than me. Especially when I thought he was only reading LS as town based on meta from other people.


BUT RELS IS THE SPAM-RESEARCH-INTERACTION-CAREFACTOR-MACHINE in this game. He will never be mafia.


Eh I think they are both town, so not really worth mentioning.

Fidei is playing out LyLo in another game and didn't realize he was put into this one.

If we lynch town again today then exorcist gets a shot.

I agree, Rels is town. Not sure why he's hard townreading LS in that post though.
I can take that responsibility.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 15:56 GMT
#1714
On September 22 2015 00:43 Vivax wrote:
What does this have to do with mechanics.

Damdred doesn't care in the slightest and he had a SHITTON of out of game days to fix that and whatever he's busy with, and he still doesn't care.

All this role talk doesn't change that fact which is a fact that makes people mafia or douchebag townies.

It has to do with mechanics because you are contesting several people about their "plans" or whatever you want to call them when they are being completely reasonable with them. YOU are the one who hasn't read them, and if they are mafia you give them a completely reasonable reason to talk about something that is NOT relevant to "who is mafia"....

that's what i am talking about.

Rels:
I am once more trying to be very clear and i want you to answer me as clearly as you can, please. I am not trying to be a dick towards you, it just makes me see red when someone doesn't even bother to read my post and then argues mee with something that is like 10% of the case....

Here are my problems with you:
1) You for some reason insist that we lynch Damdred on this day. You clearly think (or thought, before you called me mafia) - at that time - that both of Damdred and James are 100% mafia. So, there are actually reasons for Damdred to be town, if the cop is alive. And the fact that EVERYONE calls Damdred mafia. It literally makes James more likely to be mafia, REGARDLESS OF Damdred's play. But somehow you, an obviously bright person, can't see that and make the most obvious conclsuion (that James is clearly the best lynch here).
2) You are not interested in figuring out who the last mafia is. You just are not. In your world FF or BM should be the last mafia. But instead of figuring out which one, you come to conclusion "i trust HtS' meta read on FF yolo" and "BM is either mafia or town tomorrow for reasons i won't give here". That is not scumhunting, that is avoiding scumhunting. Which is scummy, as you JUST had called BM 90% scum......
3) Your read on TT is literally shit. Here are your reasons for reading him town:
- TT is always scummy - yeah that really makes him town right?
- I am good at reading TT - yeah you literally 100% misread him last game....... makes sense?
- Why would he question confirmed town (Vivax) - that is not a fucking towntell, it's a scumtell, because he should NOT do that as town...

So yeah, can you see why i have a hard time thinking you are town. That's literally everything you have done on D2 besides arguing about pointless things with me and BM (yes, your argument was really pointless from both ends). I don't give any fucks if you have 2 pages or 100 pages of filter, those are clear inconsistencies in your thought process i think should not be there if you are town.

So please, if you are town, explain.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 21 2015 16:09 GMT
#1715
I will be around in 2-5 hours. I'm driving home now so just a small amount of patience I really don't want to tell why I've been so busy the past week to influence the game in that regard.

But I don't think I believe ls claim anyway
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 21 2015 16:33 GMT
#1716
Man I don't get why people think that Geript would never visit me like I know it's a rare chance but he actually did vist me Idk why he did visit me out of all people but he did vist me end of story.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
September 21 2015 16:34 GMT
#1717
Anyways I leaving for reading class have fun guys.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 16:55 GMT
#1718
No no no
Damdred is not going to be mafia in this game. that is for fucking sure.
His EoD1 makes no sense if he is mafia. Absolutely none.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 16:57 GMT
#1719
Damdred, when you get home, can you look at the cases / give thoughts on Rels, James and TT.
Also can you elaborate more on your read on LS.

One of those four is not mafia and three of them are.
This is actually really important right now because i am getting back to the "LS is scum" train and then i have no fucking clue which of those three is town (except James is not).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 21 2015 17:12 GMT
#1720
On September 18 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Though lynching me here might not be a horrid decision...i won't be able to play full time till sunday

On September 18 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote:
Actually id like to say a couple of things about ls, for the record IM at 65/35% that he's town at this point so I sorta don't want to vote him even if he is the counter wagon to me.

The big thing that makes me doubt him is the way he's handling the situation with me saying id be ok with deadline voting ls and never doing so btw. The problem is that he is totally leaving context out of what he's saying in that I never called him scum but he was heavily hinting he could be martyr and my comment followed after rayns comment about pressuring him near start of the game.

I find it a pretty crappy reason overall, and I'm effectively a lurker this game so I'm a bit surprised that he doesn't have a stronger scum read at this juncture.

However one of the first things he does that make me go wow this is probably town ls is when he shows that vs meta to show how I go after him as scum. While its worth noting totally different concept and doesn't look the same at all I don't think I can see scum ls trying to call me out and help a lynch on me when I could ub afk and nail him to the wall.

Plus he's been a bit more active then he normally would and seems pretty honest at this juncture.

I think he has a decent shot at being town here so I really don't want to vote him. I'll read some more give more impressions.

On September 18 2015 04:02 Damdred wrote:
No clue poopyfeast. Your filter is sorta devoid of a lot of things that I would normally town or scum read you on.

Your only real pushes or reads seem to be me+grail for yourself. And tour push seems to be the one who jumps on it while saying that I could be town or scum.

So would be towards the bottom of null

On September 18 2015 04:06 Damdred wrote:
Honestly sand is someone who I could lynch today just because of the hard town read on me without any real reason to be town read.

can you link me to your case so I can read it and give thoughts

Here is a set of posts Damdred made when there was a big wagon on him and basically LS was the only counter-wagon. At some time before these posts Rels has made a case on Dandel. The thing is this kinda play makes no sense as mafia because you are basically trying to get lynched here if you are mafia.

Damdred has obviously not read the case on Dandel before he makes his last post. That makes me almost definitely sure he has no team (who would tell him in scum QT that there is a case on Dandel he can save himself voting for). Instead of wanting to lynch LS Damdred stands behind his read on him. Now this could make sense if Damdred was mafia with LS, but then again, why doesn't he just vote for Dandel and "save them both"?

It makes literally no sense Damdred is mafia here. The vote switch to Dandel becomes way more interesting given this fact, and even the push on Damdred becomes interesting here because every other person (me, geript, HtS) who are actually good at reading LS (sorry Damdred, but your tracking record on people who you are supposed to be good at reading at hasn't been.... quite good lately) thinks LS is mafia.

I again think LS is the best lynch here.
##unvote
##DeadlineVote LightningStrike

To add to the case on him, i have asked multiple times for him to play. He refuses to.
Here is the kicker;
If you are the exorcist, in case LS is town, there is literally 0% chance Damdred is mafia. So if this is the unfortunate case, you should be shooting James 100% of the time. If LS flips mafia and you don't have a shot, good.
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