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On August 26 2015 23:55 Breshke wrote:
JJ give me a list of people you are considering for mafia?
It hasn't changed a ton since my last list at the start of today (or maybe it was right before the n2 deadline? I forget.)
I think LT is probably going to flip mafia based on the red check, the inactivity, the pgo stuff, etc. If he flips town, then I'd need to re-evaluate the cop checks since they conflict with each other. At this point, I think I'd probably be more willing to lynch KSC for that scenario. chez would probably be mafia in a situation where LT is town.
If LT flips mafia, I'd still likely go after KSC. The whole "my check wasn't important" then randomly a red check on LT, in combination with FF returning a "no check" makes the whole thing seem pretty sketchy. The most likely scenario is that he claimed a red check on LT who was going to die anyways and then wanted to town cred because he was pretty close to next on the pecking order anyways. I think four cops seems pretty unlikely as well. I'm not sure I've ever seen that many in a single game.
Late, late game if KSC flips town and FF is still around shooting out checks without being roleblocked or shot then I'd assume he would be a good mafia candidate due to the unlikely 4th cop scenario.
Ritoky I'm leaning null-mafia because of the whole "push the random lynch" stuff early on and the game. This one kinda comes with a processes of elimination since the ones below I'm more town on than anything. If LT/chez and one or both of ksc and ff flip mafia then the game is probably over by this point anyways. The one thing that worries me is that mafia probably has a roleblocker in a setup with all blues. Claiming the roleblock on HTS does strike me as odd though. I went back into his filter, thinking that he had called HTS one of his town reads, but in fact he was suspicious about HTS for a post towards the end of the cycle, which would line up with when the roleblock was submitted. That's the biggest reason I would have doubts, since claiming a rb on an obvious town player makes him look bad. That could be wifom, but I'm not sure. The scenario I'm considering is that he wanted town cred for revealing geript's qt is fake and claiming rb would be the way to show that HTS didnt get off a watcher result. Not sure if that makes sense though.
Obi I thought was kinda town at the start of the game. I was comparing his town filters in the database against this one and things seemed rather similar. As mafia, I noticed he likes to randomly jump in the thread and ask people to make him talk about a certain subject. I know people mentioned that his anger looked fake or exaggerated, but he does tend to be an emotional player. I wanna say I remember something like that in a specific game, but I'll have to go back and see if I can find the example again. I wouldn't place him above geript, breshke, fidei, TT or rels, but I'd rather have him around instead of the others above.
The town alignment checked players seem fine to me. The rayn lynches other than myself I haven't paid much attention to at this point. There is a scenario where rayn could have been a mafia driven bus for late game cred, but I think that is less likely since tube showed up at the last second to vote rels. It could be rels + tube + rayn in that situation, but I think rels has looked pretty townie. I plan to do a full re-read of each of the non-confirmed players, but I've only done one so far (fidei) and he seems town even if you take out the rayn stuff in my opinion.
Where are you at breshke?
On August 26 2015 23:52 Breshke wrote:
So has jj claimed any role actions?
Nope. Revealing my role benefits mafia more than town in my opinion. I'd be willing to claim it if we ever reached a mass claim situation (which I don't think we should do just yet), but there isn't a great reason to just throw it out randomly at this point.
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On August 27 2015 00:52 Rels wrote:
^ it really aligns with what I think. Except the ritoky bit, I like ritoky more than you.
One thing: when/if LT flips mafia, chez is town for you ?
Unless there is a good explanation for why LT would nuke chez on day two (maybe LT flips with a fake nuke or something?), then yeah I think chez would be town.
Who would you pick in place of ritoky then Rels?
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On August 27 2015 00:54 Rels wrote:
Cause either Chez or FF is lying, so if Chez is town, he *knows* FF is not-town. But Chez called the possibility of FF being town when discussing with me earlier. I cannot see a town player forgetting something obvious like that.
Could you elaborate on the part where town chez knows FF isn't town? I think I may have missed that part.
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On August 27 2015 01:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:59 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 27 2015 00:54 Rels wrote:
Cause either Chez or FF is lying, so if Chez is town, he *knows* FF is not-town. But Chez called the possibility of FF being town when discussing with me earlier. I cannot see a town player forgetting something obvious like that. Could you elaborate on the part where town chez knows FF isn't town? I think I may have missed that part. Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:On August 26 2015 20:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Has Chezinu actually claimed who he checked n2? I can't see it in his filter, but I've been known to miss things. On August 25 2015 18:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 25 2015 18:46 Fidei86 wrote:
@Chez who did you check and what was the result? I received a pm stating said person was 3P and was dead. So yamato77. Wow wait a minute. FF checked WOS N1 and didn't get a PM 'cause WOS died. On August 25 2015 19:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 I didn't get a pm if that's what you are asking. If you are not, wos died and flipped green yes LOL So once again on of Chez and FF is lying.
Ah yeah, considering ritoky claims the roleblock on chez that means two people are refuting his actions unless it's FF + ritoky red and chez town, which doesn't make a ton of sense for them to double refute if chez wasn't going to flip red. Does a scenario where one of FF/ritoky is town and chez is mafia make sense? Though that also brings back the question, why would likely mafia LT nuke his scum buddy chez? I wonder if chez is like a traitor or something a mafia nuked him by accident without knowing lol.
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On August 27 2015 07:07 rsoultin wrote:
Lord Tolkien as Fecalfeast has been lynched.
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On August 27 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
The house of brown will always rise again.
The bank troll checking jj tonight.
May all non believers perish.
Hopefully the damdred rule works on ff by end of game
Coolio.
You promised me presents too today, right?
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On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen?
If I remember correctly, FF said one of his checks went through so it couldn't have been a rb.
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Can anyone think of anything that would link marv, HF, and FF together? Maybe we can figure out the remaining personalities that way. 2/3 were scum in one game, but that was as close as I got. Probably a long shot though.
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On August 19 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
##Vote VayneAuthority
On August 21 2015 05:06 Lord Tolkien wrote:VayneAuthority: It appears I was correct in saying early that VayneAuthority had no time for the game hue. + Show Spoiler +the correct meme is that he would have no time for this nonsense but w/e Beneather level of inactivity. Would 100%consider as a policy lynch.
On August 21 2015 05:24 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Dude.
Tubesock.
On August 21 2015 05:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) You're crying over a soft blue claim in a heavily themed game. Get over it.
2) Move your vote off Yamato. He talks or he suffers the consequences.
3) You push Fidel long after he's mostly cleared himself. Eh.
Putting you in the ??? pile.
On August 21 2015 05:56 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But yes, I am still going to have to KP someone so nyah.
It's going to be out of a pool of yamato, KelsierSC, Damdred, VayneAuthority, and ruXxar.
On August 21 2015 06:24 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Im throwing tubesock onto my potential kill list.
On August 22 2015 00:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:
It should be obvious who needs to be checked because of D1 shenanies (including, but not limited to, the two people who subbed in [personally highly suspicious of VA/rayn but eh], one of the surviving lynch bandwagons [tubesock et al], damdred).
On August 23 2015 15:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Person who really really needs to be checked is rayn.
On August 24 2015 01:17 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Tube is getting nuked: at this point I'm not even going to believe a "green check" claim on him to save his ass.
All I'll say is that Rayn is a D3 lynch, and a N2 check.
On August 24 2015 05:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
If yams shoots down the tubes nuke i will be srsly annoyed right now.
Reading through LT's filter, a pattern I noticed is that he was looking to bus other players at any opportunity. It seems like mafia were trying to set him up as a late game player or something considering how many times he shared suspicion of vayne, rayn, and tube. There was a decent amount of scum to scum interaction through his filter as well. They made it a point to chat about a couple random things.
If LT did indeed know that his nuke would fake, then nuking his scum buddy chezinu would absolutely line up with this play style by attempting to separate the two players via the nuke so if chez were to ever flip, LT would come out looking real good.
The other player that gets mentioned a fair amount was KSC. He brought up him a couple times in his list posts and then there is this one below as well.
On August 22 2015 04:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The more you post like that ksc, the more im tempted to shoot you over my obvious night shot.
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On August 28 2015 00:19 Tictock wrote:
JJ I hope you realize my accusation of you earlier was just part of my methods.
You appeared to be in need of a fire under your arse to help get some things done.
Also is was interesting to see who else wanted to jump on that action.
Posts like that one are why I appreciate being in your employ, and is why there will be several bills sent to you later for my services.
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Maybe one day when I retire I can pass down the torch and you can take over my show. <3
+ Show Spoiler +LOL JK, JUDGEJUDY IS ETERNAL
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lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
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If this were a Caller game, this is the point where all the mafia dies, but town loses due to radiation 
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My bad my poopy platter friend.
On August 28 2015 07:44 Damdred wrote:
Negative that's why I wanted obi to tell me if he was nuking me so I could tell that info before I died. He does have green checks.
Also I got no notice of being rb
You said you were going to check me tonight. I assume you'd know if you were rb'd based on that action?
lol at chez having 9 lives. On the bright side, we have essentially a double lynch today with the nuke.
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On that topic, why are you roleblocking a player with a claimed check ritoky? Does the suspicion of a cult outweigh being able to confirm another player as town?
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Did you have a check last night KSC?
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Yep I'm on board the chezinu lynch. Since the nukes keep failing, the lynch seems to be the way to go.
I'll spend more time on Obi next.
What do you think about KSC, Rels? Now that FF has flipped town, do you buy the claim that KSC was fake claiming cop as town?
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On August 28 2015 16:46 Rels wrote:Vote recaps colored with flips Day 1 final voteruXxar (7): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77, FecalFeast, KelscierSCTubesock (2): The Shining, Rels, Chezinu, WaveofShadow, Lord TolkienFidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining, Tictock, RelsObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxarWaveofShadow (1): FecalFeastHalf the Sky (1): KelsierSC Damdred (0): FecalFeast, FecalFeast, ruXxar, Chezinu, FecalFeast, KelsierSCVayneAuthority (0): Lord Tolkienyamato77 (0): FecalFeast, TubesockNot Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather
If we make the assumption that chezinu is mafia, then the day one lynch becomes more important because it would be a highly contested lynch between town ruXxar and mafia. Mafia almost never want to give up a red lynch on day one because it makes it so difficult to come back from.
What I found most concerning was this string of posts within Obi's filter:
On August 21 2015 02:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Chez is interesting though. Could see lynching him.
On August 21 2015 05:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Lynching either rux or chez.
On August 21 2015 06:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tbh I kinda want to switch back and kill rux anyway.
On August 21 2015 06:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You want to swing back to rux?
I'm serious. I'll do it.
On August 21 2015 06:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I really don't care about this lynch at all.
He is content with a chez lynch, he is fine with a rux lynch. It doesn't seem like he has a strong preference either way. Then he proceeds to favor the rux lynch. He tries to get a switch rolling. He asks wave to join him. He clearly prefers rux over chez at this point. Yet four minutes later, he says he doesn't care about the lynch, when just previous he was trying to get the ball rolling on the push for rux.
On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:
OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened:
- OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones
- OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours
- Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu
- But of course the nuke didn't work
And here is why he did it
He nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner.
But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped.
He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him.
TLDR
OWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later.
On August 22 2015 06:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:
##nuke chezinu
On August 22 2015 07:12 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Lol.
So there was a silent period i didn't know of.
On August 22 2015 07:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ill just save it for a second lynch wagon.
This part is interesting because LT did the exact same thing on day one. He told the thread that he intended to nuke chezinu, but showed up to fire too late so the nuke didn't count. He then brings him back up for discussion on day two so we start the whole "nuke/lynch" chezinu discussion all over again. Then he fires the fake nuke, so chez is still around on day three. It seems like the mafia's plan was just make chezinu a giant distraction (which they have succeeded at), while never actually taking him out in the process.
At the same time, this seems like a huge gamble for obi to make if he is indeed scum buddies with chezinu. Chez would need a miracle to save himself today on day four and obi would need to rely on town buying the fact that he didn't know about the nuke deadline. I actually didn't realize that the nuke deadline was one hour ahead of the silent period, rather than before the silent period itself, so I'm not willing to rule out that obi didn't make the same mistake.
I've kinda had obi on my null-town list most of the game from when I compared his filter to the database filters earlier on.
On November 06 2014 11:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Too late, dickitude activated.
Get some.
On November 06 2014 10:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Are you fucking serious?
I've been saying the same shit on repeat for the past three days and you STILL have no idea why I voted Lt?
Are you actually mafia? Are you deliberately ignoring me?
On November 06 2014 11:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On November 06 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You've called me bad in just about every single game we've been in and you're acting like me getting pissed off is completely unfounded.
On November 06 2014 11:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I love how you think I'm pulling the wool over your eyes as I lay on my death bed.
On November 12 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If I ever get tunneled like that again I'm just going to omgus as hard as I possibly can.
I won't even care if whoever is doing it flips town. Never again.
At some point in the game, someone (I think it might have been you Rels) brought up how it seemed obi was mafia because the anger he displayed when people shared suspicion of him was way overboard. It was assumed that the anger must be fake since that is something mafia typically do when they are getting pushed. However, obi tends to sometimes get emotional when he is being pushed for reasons that he doesn't see as valid. For instance, here in Hearthstone Mafia (quotes above), then entire town is hammering him for a mislynch and he gets all worked up and he was town that game. That kinda seemed similar to what we saw here earlier.
As mafia, the general trend that I found skimming through his games was that he typically has an attitude of "I can't be bothered to read the thread". In this game, there are a few instances where he seems like he is actually spending time to put thought into something or maybe going back to read something, though there are still a few quotes you can find where he simply says that he doesn't care.
I wish I had a stronger read here, but I'm kind of on the fence. There are reasons that I see that point to mafia and reasons that could make him town. He is one of the more difficult players to read to begin with in my opinion. I'll probably take a closer look at KSC and ritoky next to see if I can be more confident on either of them.
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On August 28 2015 23:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake.  On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ? Yes and no. It was unclear. I thought the 1 hour before deadline bit was in regards to the actual deadline rather than the silent deadline. If it worked for tubesock, why wouldn't it work for me? /shrug OK. JJ if you received a PM like that yourself; was it unclear ?
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On August 28 2015 23:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I may be biased because I keep thinking a KSC lynch is bad.
I feel like people are resigned towards trying to lynch him for being lazy, and I'm not sure that's a tell for him either way.
On August 21 2015 02:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Kels will step up eventually if he is town.
You used that exact tell to read him earlier though...
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On August 28 2015 23:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:46 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:40 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:35 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 28 2015 23:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I may be biased because I keep thinking a KSC lynch is bad.
I feel like people are resigned towards trying to lynch him for being lazy, and I'm not sure that's a tell for him either way. On August 21 2015 02:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Kels will step up eventually if he is town. You used that exact tell to read him earlier though... No I didn't. I mostly left him alone. I'm aware that I've been hedging on him a lot but I've had tons of trouble reading KSC in the past so I keep trying to put it off as much as I can. Hey. You said KSC will step up eventually. He didn't. Let's nuke him so we don't have to waste a lynch on him. I am well aware of this. But he lynched mafia twice, which technically falls under stepping up. I'm going to spend some time looking into it (after mkx) but his play kind of reminds me of the last game he played where he was town and he lynched my teammates after huge bouts of inactivity. He didn't do shit. LT's lynch was decided before his red check. He fakeclaimed which got FF to get nuked because we had two different checks on the same target. He caused the death of a cop. And when said cop flipped, he rescinded his claim. I might be remembering things wrong, then. Hrm. Maybe I'm wrong on the helping the LT lynch. LT was confirmed mafia in my mind N2 for the 3 posts saying "check rayn" + sheeping a vote on me + not switching while being semi AFK + nuking not the second vote wagon. But maybe KSC's red check helped others vote him.
Rels - Already thought LT was mafia
On August 28 2015 23:52 Rels wrote:
LT was confirmed mafia in my mind N2 for the 3 posts saying "check rayn" + sheeping a vote on me + not switching while being semi AFK + nuking not the second vote wagon.
Fidei86 - Seemed Null on LT. Wanted to lynch FF first. KSC check probably influenced him.
On August 25 2015 19:54 Fidei86 wrote:
I would rather lynch FF than LT, but I'm happy to sheep the town circle, if you all are set on LT.
JudgeJudy - Already thought LT was mafia
ObiWanShinobi - Looks like he had LT in his top two, but prefered chez and switched over to LT after claim.
On August 24 2015 13:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I still want to lynch yamato.
LT is also a good choice for selling rayn as a good cop check.
Otherwise whatever.
On August 25 2015 07:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh right I forgot that someone else guessed it.
Nvm ignore me I'm just rambly and bad.
I'ma vote Chez.
Breshke - Seems like LT was his preference to die after tube on n2, but he didn't outright say it.
On August 24 2015 09:50 Breshke wrote:
shining do you have more nukes? You should nuke LT
On August 24 2015 23:18 Breshke wrote:
##Nuke:Lord Tolkien
Tictock - Was on the fence about LT prior to the claim. KSC likely pushed him on LT over chez.
On August 25 2015 07:15 Tictock wrote:
So tbh, I'm not all that convinced LT is scum. The fact that he was saying to check rayn is only bad in retrospect since rayn flipped pgo, his late vote on rels is a bit more telling though
For now, I'm with Obi
Chez is either scum or needs to start pulling his weight if he is town.
##Vote: Chez
Damdred - Tough to say who would have lynched D3. It isn't very clear based on filter.
ritoky - Posted this prior to KSC's claim. Likely either LT or chez.
On August 25 2015 07:11 ritoky wrote:
imo the 3 possible lynches today are rels, LT, and chez. probably moreso just LT and chez.
I went back to see where everyone was at prior to the KSC red check claim on LT. It seems like most people suspected a combination of LT and chez at the time. It was probably pretty even between who would have been lynched on d3 between the two. KSC probably did change the mind of a couple people....Fidei and TT in particular. While I agree that the check was likely responsible for pushing LT over the top of chez, without the red check I'd say LT would have lasted one more cycle at the most.
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On August 29 2015 04:18 Tictock wrote:Also did JJ ever say if this was real or not? Image hidden for sake of the thread.
lol yeah that was a joke :p
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