EPTOn August 29 2015 16:32 Tictock wrote:
If rit flips mafia it somewhat confirms chez as not mafia though.
If rit flips mafia it somewhat confirms chez as not mafia though.
Yeah but that's the thing. Chezinu is mafia.
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Rels
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Yeah but that's the thing. Chezinu is mafia. | ||
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Tictock
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You being wrong about Chez is just as likely as me being wrong about him ![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/6kYLuk32wv7GM/200.gif) | ||
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On August 29 2015 16:38 Tictock wrote: You being wrong about Chez is just as likely as me being wrong about him One thing I learned playing mafia is behavious > mechanics. Chezinu attitude makes him 100% mafia. | ||
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Rels
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Does it make sense ritoky is mafia with him ? That would mean the mafia team wasted a nuke and an anti nuke. That's maybe possible, but to me it's weird. I think KSC is still the best nuke. | ||
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Remember this: On August 28 2015 22:46 Rels wrote: We need to kill him before LYLO. I had no scumread nor townread of him until this morning. The guy made sure he was unreadable. Now, the FF flip this morning confirmed he was lying about the check. The moment that happened, he did this: Then 20 minutes later he actually rescinded his cop claim: So several things are super weird: 1 - he fakeclaimed for the entire game 2 - he made sure he was unreadable for the entire game 3 - we don't know if KSC would have rescinded his claim without FF flipping 4 - before he rescinded, he posted he checked a dead man; maybe he tried to cover his fakeclaim by claiming the dead check, before realising it's not coherent, then he claimed vig 5 - he didn't post much this game but is over defensive the moment someone talks about him being scummy. KSC stating he was the main force behind rayn and LT's lynches is LOL worthy We need to lynch him sooner or later. Not over 100% mafia Chezinu, but maybe tomorrow. Plus: the mafia team had a unwatchable godfather. N1 they killed HTS + WOS. There is 50% chance the godfather was the one killing HTS. Maybe more 'cause HTS was more townread than WOS. So ritoky visiting HTS doesn't confirm him mafia. I would be OK nuking him without KSC in the game, or lynching him without Chezinu in the game. But ritoky being mafia means the mafia team wasted one nuke and one anti nuke. | ||
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Rels
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If you need it, you can reread the case on him: + Show Spoiler + On August 28 2015 17:01 Rels wrote: OK folks. Come here, sit by the fire! It's cold out there, isn't it ? Are you well now ? Then, let me tell you about the story of today. We're lynching Chezinu. We can talk about other things. I will be ignoring Chezinu 'cause talking to him each time has cluttered up the thread for nothing. Unless he says false things ofc. Why are we lynching Chezinu ? Two mains reasons shows he's mafia, and a bunch of small ones shows he's not town. 1. The nuke theory: LT fake nuked Chezinu D2 to gain town cred when Chez flipped Go read it, it's there: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#2817 2. Chezinu claimed he got a check on a dead player; FF claimed he didn't get a check on a dead player; FF was town That's it. Chezinu claimed to get a 3P check on dead yamato. But please remember the context to know WHY Chezinu claimed that: Chezinu counterclaimed FF "no result" claim on Lord Tolkien. He tried to deflect the lynch from LT to FF. That's a play only a mafia (not even a town-enemy 3P) would do. 3. Bunch of small reasons that shows he's not town - Chezinu claimed not-town EOD3 - Chezinu's check was counter claimed by ritoky's roleblock claim - Chezinu had Lord Tolkien as green in his "I'm serious now" list post; when asked about it, he said it was to fool the mafia and he actually thought LT was green - Chezinu *knew* FF was lying from his point of view, but never pushed him hard. Instead, he pushed me hard back when I attacked him. This shows he's not interested by solving the game - Chezinu *knows* ritoky is lying from his point of view, but doesn't push him hard. Instead, he pushes me hard back when I attack him. This shows he's not interested by solving the game - His wincon "I don't know my wincon" doesn't make sense - His upgrade check doesn't make sense with his wincon; why a check would be useful with a wincon like that - He faked wanting LT to be modkilled EOD3 Conclusion All of the small reasons makes Chezinu not-town. The two main ones makes him mafia. So please: LYNCH HIM AND IGNORE HIM. Let's talk about something else while he finally dies. | ||
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- there is a 50% (at least) chance the godfather killed HTS - ritoky being mafia means the mafia team wasted a nuke and an anti nuke Maybe we can nuke him, but I would prefer KSC a looot more. | ||
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On August 29 2015 19:23 Fidei86 wrote: Rels you're assuming that there were only 2KP n1. Could there not have been 3? There could. Doesn't change the fact that tube could have been the one killing hts | ||
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Rels
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On August 29 2015 19:31 Fidei86 wrote: I totally agree. I admitted straight up that my check does not confirm rit Mafia, it just gives him better odds than everyone else. I'm actually down with a Chez lynch and a KSC nuke - both of them have been atrocious. But if that doesn't round things off - we should be looking at rit. The one thing keeping me back from nuking rit instead of KSC is the nuke situation. If ritoky is mafia, the mafia team effectively wasted 1 nuke and 1 anti nuke. That's 2 KP wasted right there. That's why I'm so sure ritoky is mafia. At least not over KSC. If ritoky is mafia, he offered us 2 KP; we should only lynch him if we're sure KSC is town. | ||
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On August 29 2015 19:36 Fidei86 wrote: @Rels don't you think it's a bit weird that an experienced player like Chez would play SO BADLY? Like, nothing he has done has made sense from ANY perspective. He has drawn so much attention to himself, he's basically been up for lynch every single day. There couldn't be two jesters in the game, could there? I think the way he played makes a lot of sense for the mafia plan. He was looking to be fake nuked by LT then lynched, so LT would carry the credit to the end game. When LT was looking to be the lynch D2 was when he started playing seriously; but his reads didn't make any sense. | ||
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My lynch list is Chezinu KSC ritoky geript OWS TT JJ fidei With Damdred being lynched as soon as 5 mafias flipped and no game ending. | ||
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On August 29 2015 19:47 Fidei86 wrote: @Rels I think you're giving rit too much credit on the rayn lynch - off the top of my head I'm remembering that he said he was fine with lynching you, then AFKd. Maybe. But he could have voted me. So that's not a strong indicator either way. It's really the nuke situation that makes me doubt. Plus the fact that a unwatchable godfather is flipped of course; if that was not the case, ritoky would be mafia 100%. | ||
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