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JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
August 29 2015 01:45 GMT
#3341
[image loading]

It also seems like Fidei has been scum reading ritoky the entire game without wavering, which also supports the claim.

On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw.


On August 24 2015 05:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Thought about it, and I'm writing a big long post about why I'm switching to ritoky, and why you all should too.


On August 24 2015 06:00 Fidei86 wrote:
C/P'ed from my long notepad post:

I'm fairly sure ritoky is scum here. I have basically two key reasons:

1. I like playing with town ritoky. He makes me feel bad about how rubbish I am as town. Ritoky this game has been exactly the opposite, tonally. He usually asks good questions, gets good answers and generally really helps town. He is never massively sure of his reads, but he does push and probe at them. And he's well respected enough (I would think?) that he should know he could get his reads pushed, if he wanted to. This time, his style is twofold: (i) CERTAIN that I am mafiabut not really pushing me (ie even though a bunch of people indicated they might switch onto me, at least one of whom (TS) I'm pretty sure is town), he's happy to stick with Rels. (ii) His other reads are totally meh - he's not indifferent in a "this game is hard, I'm not sure" way, but rather a "I don't really give a crap" way. Damdred, who I know claims to be able to soul-read ritoky, said that he thought ritoky was mafia, and it seems to have been on tone.

2. Better players than me, and people I am town reading, have said that they don't buy his role claim. I don't either. A role where you can't control who you vote for? Now, other people have claimed to have similar roles, so I'm not ruling it out entirely, but I am sceptical. But, as other people have mentioned, there is no reason whatsoever for him then to try and push me for "serious" reasons. And when HTS and a bunch of other town players all came in and defended me (some of whom, btw, know me and my meta a lot better than he does) he never re-evaluated, but he never really kept pushing me either. He just keeps repeating that he thinks I'm scummy. I don't think town ritoky plays this way.


On August 25 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:
@ritoky

What is your role? It has been long enough now, you talked up having an extra power other than being forced to vote for someone, and I really want to know what it is.


Another important tidbit....do have have confirmation that factional kp are carried out by players? Some games they can be watched, some they can't.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
August 29 2015 01:48 GMT
#3342
Yeah, the Damdred angle is one I didn't think of. I sort of assumed that Damdred's powers were NOT role-blockable. If they are, and Damdred claims to have been RBed, then that would change things a fair bit, as mafia would then have to have TWO roleblockers. Possible, but unlikely I would guess?
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
August 29 2015 01:57 GMT
#3343
[image loading]

So even though the claim seems legit.....taking the paranoia route here, suppose the mafia team is Fidei and KSC. The claim would move the likely nuke target from KSC to ritoky.

Chezinu - Lynched
Ritoky - Nuked

Town
Rels
geript
JudgeJudy
ObiWanShinobi
Tictock

Mafia
Fidei86
KelsierSC

3P
Damdred

That would leave 5 town alive and 4 after the night hit. That means, even if the mafia were to align with the survivor, town would still outnumber them 4 to 3 so they wouldn't control the lynch and we could take them out over the next two cycles. That would mean mafia would need to have started with 6 members for us to be at lylo today. I suppose it's a possibility, but combined with the stuff that I quoted earlier that makes it likely that the claim is legit, this doesn't really seem like a lylo play by mafia to end the game now.

Going to double-check the interactions between fidei and KSC in a sec just to be sure there isn't anything obvious for them to be together.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 29 2015 02:09 GMT
#3344
That's a good guy fideli. And I'm glad my read on ritoky is quite possibly correct.

However I would suggest we lynch ritoky instead of nuking and save the nuke because it makes chez really more interesting to a degree as mafia kept trying to nuke or fake nuke him.

Now then for clarification I thought I had typed it out but probably just forgot to post when I was coming clean. It was all troll checks trying to stay in character a bit. Though I obviously strong town read jj.

And sadly with fid being a boss and catching rit like a good damdred would. He will be killed and I have to solo survive.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
August 29 2015 02:30 GMT
#3345
@Damdred can you confirm whether or not you were roleblocked?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 29 2015 02:32 GMT
#3346
I have no clue I have no night actions besides my upgrade on n2 and I guess rb aren't notified? Were you notified fid? Or ability just didn't go off
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
August 29 2015 02:34 GMT
#3347
@JJ the thing is, Chezinu and KSC have both been worse than useless this game. KSC's fake claim is confusing as hell. Chezinu has contributed nothing except to sow chaos. Both are fine lynch options, or nuke options. I just have this nagging suspicion that they can't BOTH be mafia, because that would be far too easy. I do think ritoky has played very differently this game to how I've seen him before, and I think he could well be mafia. I accept that there are a couple of different scenarios where he innocently visits HTS and HTS dies through other means (one other possibility is that HTS visited rayn). I just think they are less likely than rit just being mafia.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 29 2015 02:35 GMT
#3348
Why would Hts visit rayn though he wasn't a likely nk
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
August 29 2015 02:36 GMT
#3349
On August 29 2015 11:32 Damdred wrote:
I have no clue I have no night actions besides my upgrade on n2 and I guess rb aren't notified? Were you notified fid? Or ability just didn't go off

When I watched HTS n1, I was told I saw ritoky. When I watched JJ n2, I was told I saw nobody. When I watched Rels n3, I was told "no result". I saw on mafiascum that "no result" is usually used when one is roleblocked.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
August 29 2015 02:36 GMT
#3350
On August 29 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
Why would Hts visit rayn though he wasn't a likely nk

Ah yes. For some reason I keep thinking that HTS was the jailer (since WoS was HTS who was the jailer..). But she was also a watcher.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 29 2015 02:40 GMT
#3351
Oh well then I can't tell you if I was honestly or not no night actions.

However the circumstantial evidence is pretty high and I think lynch ritoky hold nuke and obi nuke someone either during the night or tommorow.

ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 29 2015 02:40 GMT
#3352
Okay.
So nuking ritoky is the proper play here.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 29 2015 02:41 GMT
#3353
On August 29 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Oh well then I can't tell you if I was honestly or not no night actions.

However the circumstantial evidence is pretty high and I think lynch ritoky hold nuke and obi nuke someone either during the night or tommorow.



Who would I nuke otherwise?
This is, like, the best opportunity for me to nuke someone.
Retired.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 29 2015 02:41 GMT
#3354
Idk obi don't you think lynch rit hold nuke in case its a dud and try it on someone else during the night?
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 29 2015 02:44 GMT
#3355
Right, I forgot the odds for a dud.
Alright. Let's just lynch ritoky.
Retired.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 29 2015 05:09 GMT
#3356
Day 4 Votecount

Chezinu (4): Rels, JudgeJudy, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, ritoky, Chezinu
ritoky (2): Damdred, ObiWanShinobi
KelsierSC (1): geript, Chezinu

Not Voting (3): Fidei86, Tictock, KelsierSC

Currently, Chezinu is set to be lynched with 4 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread

Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
August 29 2015 07:07 GMT
#3357
I'm down for a Rit lynch actually, Fidie's claim sounds legit to me.

I won't even scum read Obi for continuing to hold his nuke. Damdred is making a good point, better to hold it till Night phase when town has some more info.
I can take that responsibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2015 07:15 GMT
#3358
Pretty cool claim (= so ritoky is 99% mafia
I would prefer lynching Chezinu since I'm 100% sure he's mafia, but would follow a ritoky's lynch
Whatever happens though, we're killing Chez, lynch or nuke
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2015 07:21 GMT
#3359
Like ritoky is not confirmed mafia in my mind 'cause:
HTS could have been killed by rayn (unwatchable) and ritoky was just rb'ing her
He wanted to kill mafias most of the game
He didn't sheep the vote on me even though he suspected me D2

And the main thing for me:
ritoky plays a lot with having the best odds. Him being mafia means he nuked Chezinu so Chez would antinuke directly after. But doing that, they wasted a nuke and a antinuke; I don't think ritoky as mafia would have made that play
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
August 29 2015 07:32 GMT
#3360
On August 29 2015 16:21 Rels wrote:
Like ritoky is not confirmed mafia in my mind 'cause:
HTS could have been killed by rayn (unwatchable) and ritoky was just rb'ing her
He wanted to kill mafias most of the game
He didn't sheep the vote on me even though he suspected me D2

And the main thing for me:
ritoky plays a lot with having the best odds. Him being mafia means he nuked Chezinu so Chez would antinuke directly after. But doing that, they wasted a nuke and a antinuke; I don't think ritoky as mafia would have made that play


If rit flips mafia it somewhat confirms chez as not mafia though.
I can take that responsibility.
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