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On August 29 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote:
Kinda funny but I won't draw any concussions yet i mean we are gonna lynch chez, he is gonna flip mafia and i am conf town; unless we plan to not lynch him which i feel is stupid in every capacity, discussing my alignment is a waste of time until he flips really.
So I assume that means you think obi should hold off on using his nuke today?
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On August 29 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote:
Kinda funny but I won't draw any concussions yet i mean we are gonna lynch chez, he is gonna flip mafia and i am conf town; unless we plan to not lynch him which i feel is stupid in every capacity, discussing my alignment is a waste of time until he flips really.
How exactly are you confirmed town?
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On August 29 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:48 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 07:39 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:On August 29 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote:
i don't understand the question. it was sent to me? wasn't it sent to everyone? When did you receive an explanation of your upgrade? I doubt wee over get an answer been asking for a hit now The other thing about Rit's claim is that he's been all over the place on whether or not he was able to choose who he voted for d1 and d2. He said several times that the mods chose who he had to vote, but then he also once d1 that he was happy with his vote on me. It also doesn't make much sense that he'd get an upgrade for doing something he was FORCED to do by the rules. So, rit, which is it? Could you chose who to vote for, or could you not? i already answered this over 50 pages ago, why do you still have such a hard-on for me. it makes me think you're not town simply because at some point town would have at least tried to reconsider at some point. Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. i rng voted because it was my upgrade. i knew my upgrade, i rng'd the vote to obtain it. simple as that. any more explanation moves too close to talking about exact role pms and mod kill territory for my liking. It's a simple question and it has a simple answer. Were you compelled to vote one way or another, or were you free to choose. If you're saying it's the latter, that DIRECTLY contradicts statements you've made earlier.
of course i was free to choose to try to obtain my upgrade or not. any role where the mod literally pms you who you have to vote for should never be implemented and i would immediately ask for a sub upon receiving it. i voted who i wanted yesterday, so this question is still very dumb and i have no idea where you're going. i lied about being forced to vote by a mod to obtain an upgrade in a way that would not get me immediately shot by the mafia. woopdeedoo, people lie. damdred lied about his presents confirming alignment, ksc lied about cop checks. geript lied about talking with hts post death. people lie.
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On August 29 2015 08:17 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote:
Kinda funny but I won't draw any concussions yet i mean we are gonna lynch chez, he is gonna flip mafia and i am conf town; unless we plan to not lynch him which i feel is stupid in every capacity, discussing my alignment is a waste of time until he flips really. How exactly are you confirmed town?
i nuked chez, he shot down my nuke. i roleblocked him on a night he claimed to have gotten an inv off. i have been trying to lynch him for days, only didn't lynch him yesterday cuz a nuke was headed toward him.
imo if he flips mafia or non-investigative i am confirmed town rb ezpz.
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On August 29 2015 08:17 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote:
Kinda funny but I won't draw any concussions yet i mean we are gonna lynch chez, he is gonna flip mafia and i am conf town; unless we plan to not lynch him which i feel is stupid in every capacity, discussing my alignment is a waste of time until he flips really. So I assume that means you think obi should hold off on using his nuke today?
well if he uses it on geript or ksc, then that narrows my poe back down to 2 in the night. so then i could employ the same strategy of rb 1 and if kp appears lynch the other. all assuming chez flips mafia. so i guess i would advocate using it on ksc or geript, preferably ksc simply for the sake of poe simplification.
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On August 29 2015 08:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:48 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 07:39 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:On August 29 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote:
i don't understand the question. it was sent to me? wasn't it sent to everyone? When did you receive an explanation of your upgrade? I doubt wee over get an answer been asking for a hit now The other thing about Rit's claim is that he's been all over the place on whether or not he was able to choose who he voted for d1 and d2. He said several times that the mods chose who he had to vote, but then he also once d1 that he was happy with his vote on me. It also doesn't make much sense that he'd get an upgrade for doing something he was FORCED to do by the rules. So, rit, which is it? Could you chose who to vote for, or could you not? i already answered this over 50 pages ago, why do you still have such a hard-on for me. it makes me think you're not town simply because at some point town would have at least tried to reconsider at some point. Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. i rng voted because it was my upgrade. i knew my upgrade, i rng'd the vote to obtain it. simple as that. any more explanation moves too close to talking about exact role pms and mod kill territory for my liking. It's a simple question and it has a simple answer. Were you compelled to vote one way or another, or were you free to choose. If you're saying it's the latter, that DIRECTLY contradicts statements you've made earlier. of course i was free to choose to try to obtain my upgrade or not. any role where the mod literally pms you who you have to vote for should never be implemented and i would immediately ask for a sub upon receiving it. i voted who i wanted yesterday, so this question is still very dumb and i have no idea where you're going. i lied about being forced to vote by a mod to obtain an upgrade in a way that would not get me immediately shot by the mafia. woopdeedoo, people lie. damdred lied about his presents confirming alignment, ksc lied about cop checks. geript lied about talking with hts post death. people lie.
WTF. Why would you get shot by the mafia if you admitted that you didn't have to vote for whoever the mods picked? That makes no sense.
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Then why is it such a big deal I lied? If all those people+you lied.
The answer is simple it pushes your agenda.
And I don't Know how chez death is good on anyone honestly it kinda is...maybe rels he's done a lot of work
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On August 29 2015 08:23 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:19 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:48 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 07:39 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:On August 29 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote:
i don't understand the question. it was sent to me? wasn't it sent to everyone? When did you receive an explanation of your upgrade? I doubt wee over get an answer been asking for a hit now The other thing about Rit's claim is that he's been all over the place on whether or not he was able to choose who he voted for d1 and d2. He said several times that the mods chose who he had to vote, but then he also once d1 that he was happy with his vote on me. It also doesn't make much sense that he'd get an upgrade for doing something he was FORCED to do by the rules. So, rit, which is it? Could you chose who to vote for, or could you not? i already answered this over 50 pages ago, why do you still have such a hard-on for me. it makes me think you're not town simply because at some point town would have at least tried to reconsider at some point. Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. i rng voted because it was my upgrade. i knew my upgrade, i rng'd the vote to obtain it. simple as that. any more explanation moves too close to talking about exact role pms and mod kill territory for my liking. It's a simple question and it has a simple answer. Were you compelled to vote one way or another, or were you free to choose. If you're saying it's the latter, that DIRECTLY contradicts statements you've made earlier. of course i was free to choose to try to obtain my upgrade or not. any role where the mod literally pms you who you have to vote for should never be implemented and i would immediately ask for a sub upon receiving it. i voted who i wanted yesterday, so this question is still very dumb and i have no idea where you're going. i lied about being forced to vote by a mod to obtain an upgrade in a way that would not get me immediately shot by the mafia. woopdeedoo, people lie. damdred lied about his presents confirming alignment, ksc lied about cop checks. geript lied about talking with hts post death. people lie. WTF. Why would you get shot by the mafia if you admitted that you didn't have to vote for whoever the mods picked? That makes no sense.
this may seem like complete wifom to you, but as town i have been shot in the first 2 nights every single game for the past while. if i were mafia i would assume that the character i got would have a role seeing as this person is a rather large personality on the forums. thus if i were mafia i would have shot me unless there was a reason not to. strong player + likely role = auto-n1 shot. thus i strategically applied a detractor to myself, aka the mod tells me who to vote for, to make myself a less appealing shot.
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On August 29 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote:
Then why is it such a big deal I lied? If all those people+you lied.
The answer is simple it pushes your agenda.
And I don't Know how chez death is good on anyone honestly it kinda is...maybe rels he's done a lot of work
because you're 3p so it is my nature as town to doubt everything you say because it isn't town? and yes my agenda is to lynch mafia so i am happy pushing it.
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On August 29 2015 08:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:23 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 08:19 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:48 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 07:39 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:On August 29 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote:
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When did you receive an explanation of your upgrade? I doubt wee over get an answer been asking for a hit now The other thing about Rit's claim is that he's been all over the place on whether or not he was able to choose who he voted for d1 and d2. He said several times that the mods chose who he had to vote, but then he also once d1 that he was happy with his vote on me. It also doesn't make much sense that he'd get an upgrade for doing something he was FORCED to do by the rules. So, rit, which is it? Could you chose who to vote for, or could you not? i already answered this over 50 pages ago, why do you still have such a hard-on for me. it makes me think you're not town simply because at some point town would have at least tried to reconsider at some point. Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. i rng voted because it was my upgrade. i knew my upgrade, i rng'd the vote to obtain it. simple as that. any more explanation moves too close to talking about exact role pms and mod kill territory for my liking. It's a simple question and it has a simple answer. Were you compelled to vote one way or another, or were you free to choose. If you're saying it's the latter, that DIRECTLY contradicts statements you've made earlier. of course i was free to choose to try to obtain my upgrade or not. any role where the mod literally pms you who you have to vote for should never be implemented and i would immediately ask for a sub upon receiving it. i voted who i wanted yesterday, so this question is still very dumb and i have no idea where you're going. i lied about being forced to vote by a mod to obtain an upgrade in a way that would not get me immediately shot by the mafia. woopdeedoo, people lie. damdred lied about his presents confirming alignment, ksc lied about cop checks. geript lied about talking with hts post death. people lie. WTF. Why would you get shot by the mafia if you admitted that you didn't have to vote for whoever the mods picked? That makes no sense. this may seem like complete wifom to you, but as town i have been shot in the first 2 nights every single game for the past while. if i were mafia i would assume that the character i got would have a role seeing as this person is a rather large personality on the forums. thus if i were mafia i would have shot me unless there was a reason not to. strong player + likely role = auto-n1 shot. thus i strategically applied a detractor to myself, aka the mod tells me who to vote for, to make myself a less appealing shot.
Does anyone else find it weird that ritoky, who usually gets NKed N1 because he is good at town hasn't had a correct read or a correct push yet? Because I find it super weird.
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anywayz fid, i really don't care to defend myself to you any more. i have been doing my best to ignore you and be the most town player in the game. i feel i have done well. i will say this 1 last thing to you and if it can't convince you then you're just too deep in the tank and if you're town at the end of the game you're going to look like a fruit loop dingus busta fooligan.
if i were mafia, when i claimed my rb on chez. i would have stopped there cuz i was ahead. i would not have claimed a n1 rb on hts because there is absolutely nothing to gain from claiming it, it is a net loss play. as mafia i don't make net loss plays, not really what i am about.
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You can't think of a single reason? Try your hardest, and see if you can come up with one. Because I can.
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On August 29 2015 08:32 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 08:26 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:23 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 08:19 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:48 ritoky wrote:On August 29 2015 07:39 Fidei86 wrote:On August 29 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
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I doubt wee over get an answer been asking for a hit now The other thing about Rit's claim is that he's been all over the place on whether or not he was able to choose who he voted for d1 and d2. He said several times that the mods chose who he had to vote, but then he also once d1 that he was happy with his vote on me. It also doesn't make much sense that he'd get an upgrade for doing something he was FORCED to do by the rules. So, rit, which is it? Could you chose who to vote for, or could you not? i already answered this over 50 pages ago, why do you still have such a hard-on for me. it makes me think you're not town simply because at some point town would have at least tried to reconsider at some point. Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. i rng voted because it was my upgrade. i knew my upgrade, i rng'd the vote to obtain it. simple as that. any more explanation moves too close to talking about exact role pms and mod kill territory for my liking. It's a simple question and it has a simple answer. Were you compelled to vote one way or another, or were you free to choose. If you're saying it's the latter, that DIRECTLY contradicts statements you've made earlier. of course i was free to choose to try to obtain my upgrade or not. any role where the mod literally pms you who you have to vote for should never be implemented and i would immediately ask for a sub upon receiving it. i voted who i wanted yesterday, so this question is still very dumb and i have no idea where you're going. i lied about being forced to vote by a mod to obtain an upgrade in a way that would not get me immediately shot by the mafia. woopdeedoo, people lie. damdred lied about his presents confirming alignment, ksc lied about cop checks. geript lied about talking with hts post death. people lie. WTF. Why would you get shot by the mafia if you admitted that you didn't have to vote for whoever the mods picked? That makes no sense. this may seem like complete wifom to you, but as town i have been shot in the first 2 nights every single game for the past while. if i were mafia i would assume that the character i got would have a role seeing as this person is a rather large personality on the forums. thus if i were mafia i would have shot me unless there was a reason not to. strong player + likely role = auto-n1 shot. thus i strategically applied a detractor to myself, aka the mod tells me who to vote for, to make myself a less appealing shot. Does anyone else find it weird that ritoky, who usually gets NKed N1 because he is good at town hasn't had a correct read or a correct push yet? Because I find it super weird.
On August 24 2015 10:15 ritoky wrote:
i guess i doubt that LT and rels could be together based on what breshke just quoted. so revised list:
chez - soon to flip red
1 of rels & LT
tubesock
yamato - 3p
obi
you're just wrong. and i am done here. you're too far in the tank i can't tell if you're donkey or not town at this point. there's no talking with you. i could tell you the sky is blue and you would call me mafia. i hope for your sake you're not town so that when chez flips red and i am conf town you don't look so foolish.
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Ritoky most of what you just said is nai.
If course you had to come up with more blocks though that's neither here or there
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Even the nuke you shot at chez is nai because you would know that chez has an anti nuke if suck together just like lt knew his missile was fake and chez didn't anti nuke it himself.
So obviously he flips scum but it doesn't clear you
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And picking someone who is dead is pretty convenient, since they can't contradict you.
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On August 29 2015 09:16 Fidei86 wrote:
And picking someone who is dead is pretty convenient, since they can't contradict you.
Welllll this is kinda nai
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LOL
You know what, I'm just going to vote for Chezinu just to see the surprise on everyone's block of texts after I flip.
##Vote Chezinu
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I've been thinking about it over the course of the evening, and I think it's time for me to claim. I'm a watcher. N1 I watched HTS, and the only person who I saw was ritoky. N2 I watched JJ and saw nobody. N3 I watched Rels and was roleblocked ("no result").
The reason why I'm claiming now is that, since we know the mafia had a rolecop, I'm thinking they checked me N2 and subsequently role-blocked me N3, since if I correctly watched, it'd be confirmed mafia. The reason why I think mafia checked me is because I think I was too obvious in pinging out ritoky out of nowhere at my EOD2 thread re-entry (especially after I gave a town read on HTS towards the end of the night), and maybe I should have kept quieter about that until later. I don't see any reason to keep town in the dark in those circumstances.
That was the reason why I was asking ritoky for his role back during D2 - because I wanted to see if he had any excuse for having visited HTS. And I have to say, I'm not convinced by his RB claim at all - at least I'm not convinced he's the town roleblocker. When he listed HTS as his RB on N1, I think that he had already guessed that I had either tracked him to HTS, or had alternatively watched HTS, and was setting up pre-emptively to counter that. I think it's reasonable for him to assume I wasn't a cop, since we have already had enough cop claims.
Assuming that the mafia have one unwatchable power (the godfather), then that means there is a 2/3 chance that on N1 the KP was carried by someone who was watchable (assuming there were 3KP n1).
I don't think any of ritoky's roleblocks make much sense from a town perspective, except Chez. He did throw some dirt HTS' way d1, but he was scum reading me SUPER hard. And I don't buy that people wouldn't ask someone who was scum-read d1 (like me) to carry the KP - in fact it makes all kinds of sense, since if I was caught, mafia wouldn't have lost anyone of value. The Damdred RB also doesn't make much sense - Damdred is almost certainly not a cult leader. I don't know what his alignment is or what his role is, but he recruited me and I'm not a cult member. RBing mafia is incredibly strong now - why not go for the anti-mafia roleblock, rather than the very very slight chance that Damdred is actually a cult leader?
I also have a ton of meta reasons why I think it's ritoky. I've given them before. Basically - he hasn't pushed any correct lynches (the LT lynch obviously doesn't count, since the town circle were all on that instantly, and it wasn't shifting). He doesn't get credit for his list, since I think the town circle had all already figured exactly the same thing out. He hasn't really driven or led town like I would have expected. He has managed to survive 6 NKs, despite being a known strong town player. AND he lied about the restrictions on his role at the start.
I do admit, there is the possibility that town got unlucky and that the godfather did deliver the KP onto HTS. But all that doesn't explain why I was roleblocked last night. If ritoky isn't mafia, I don't see why they would roleblock me over, say, KSC who has claimed cop, since I have been tunnelling ritoky since the start.
And given the below - why not kill me earlier? I don't know. The upgrade I got N2 was that my watcher results will get posted after my death. I don't think they can have known that. Possibly they just figured that they could keep roleblocking me and kill the people who are more confirmed town than me first. Maybe I'm due to be killed next. Anyway, I haven't played that well this game, so I think my dying and/or continuing to be roleblocked would be okay for town, since it frees up others to get checks and to keep the game going.
TL;DR I am the Watcher, I watched ritoky visit HTS D1 and saw ritoky and nobody else.
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Oh wow, that's an interesting development.
Claim seems to match up with this post from Fidei earlier about his checks being revealed:
On August 24 2015 23:23 Fidei86 wrote:Viz who will get shot this evening, I have a message to mafia: ![[image loading]](http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/54/43/57316eb7ca6b69dded68df6c646c3103.jpg) :-)
So if you were roleblocked last night and ritoky is a mafia roleblocker, I would assume ritoky would have roleblocked you, right? Yet damdred claimed that he didn't receive a result from his action last night, suggesting that ritoky had roleblocked him.
damdred, can you confirm that you didn't make that part up?
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