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On August 28 2015 23:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
hey rels can you talk to me more about your ksc read? funny =D sry to disappoint you, all I had is written above
I figured it would at least get a reaction lol
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On August 28 2015 23:15 Rels wrote:
OK then OWS; do you think Chezinu is scum ?
He's my current most likely candidate, yes.
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On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake.  On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless.
So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ?
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And yes, the analysis is exactly "OWS shot the nuke 1 minute after nuke deadline, while he was in the thread for 7 hours, made 17 posts, and none of them looked like he was really thinking about who to lynch. BTW, Breshke who made this observation in his second to last post is now dead."
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On August 28 2015 23:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:15 Rels wrote:
OK then OWS; do you think Chezinu is scum ? He's my current most likely candidate, yes.
Vote him then
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On August 28 2015 23:18 Rels wrote:
And yes, the analysis is exactly "OWS shot the nuke 1 minute after nuke deadline, while he was in the thread for 7 hours, made 17 posts, and none of them looked like he was really thinking about who to lynch. BTW, Breshke who made this observation in his second to last post is now dead."
Bullshit.
And I was at work the whole time.
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On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ?
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On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ?
Yes and no. It was unclear.
I thought the 1 hour before deadline bit was in regards to the actual deadline rather than the silent deadline. If it worked for tubesock, why wouldn't it work for me?
/shrug
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On August 28 2015 23:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ?
I fucking answered it.
Get off my dick.
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On August 28 2015 23:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ? Yes and no. It was unclear. I thought the 1 hour before deadline bit was in regards to the actual deadline rather than the silent deadline. If it worked for tubesock, why wouldn't it work for me? /shrug
OK. JJ if you received a PM like that yourself; was it unclear ?
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On August 28 2015 23:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:22 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ? I fucking answered it. Get off my dick.
No.
Who could be partner with Chezinu ?
I think it's you or KSC. Are you OK nuking KSC ?
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On August 28 2015 23:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:22 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ? I fucking answered it. Get off my dick. No. Who could be partner with Chezinu ? I think it's you or KSC. Are you OK nuking KSC ?
I don't have the answer to that question.
Why to either of those players?
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Technically I know why you don't trust me, but your analysis is convoluted and dumb so it doesn't count.
Why KSC?
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On August 28 2015 16:46 Rels wrote:Vote recaps colored with flips Day 1 final voteruXxar (7): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77, FecalFeast, KelscierSCTubesock (2): The Shining, Rels, Chezinu, WaveofShadow, Lord TolkienFidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, The Shining, Tictock, RelsObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxarWaveofShadow (1): FecalFeastHalf the Sky (1): KelsierSC Damdred (0): FecalFeast, FecalFeast, ruXxar, Chezinu, FecalFeast, KelsierSCVayneAuthority (0): Lord Tolkienyamato77 (0): FecalFeast, TubesockNot Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather
If we make the assumption that chezinu is mafia, then the day one lynch becomes more important because it would be a highly contested lynch between town ruXxar and mafia. Mafia almost never want to give up a red lynch on day one because it makes it so difficult to come back from.
What I found most concerning was this string of posts within Obi's filter:
On August 21 2015 02:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Chez is interesting though. Could see lynching him.
On August 21 2015 05:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Lynching either rux or chez.
On August 21 2015 06:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tbh I kinda want to switch back and kill rux anyway.
On August 21 2015 06:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You want to swing back to rux?
I'm serious. I'll do it.
On August 21 2015 06:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I really don't care about this lynch at all.
He is content with a chez lynch, he is fine with a rux lynch. It doesn't seem like he has a strong preference either way. Then he proceeds to favor the rux lynch. He tries to get a switch rolling. He asks wave to join him. He clearly prefers rux over chez at this point. Yet four minutes later, he says he doesn't care about the lynch, when just previous he was trying to get the ball rolling on the push for rux.
On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:
OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened:
- OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones
- OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours
- Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu
- But of course the nuke didn't work
And here is why he did it
He nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner.
But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped.
He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him.
TLDR
OWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later.
On August 22 2015 06:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:
##nuke chezinu
On August 22 2015 07:12 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Lol.
So there was a silent period i didn't know of.
On August 22 2015 07:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ill just save it for a second lynch wagon.
This part is interesting because LT did the exact same thing on day one. He told the thread that he intended to nuke chezinu, but showed up to fire too late so the nuke didn't count. He then brings him back up for discussion on day two so we start the whole "nuke/lynch" chezinu discussion all over again. Then he fires the fake nuke, so chez is still around on day three. It seems like the mafia's plan was just make chezinu a giant distraction (which they have succeeded at), while never actually taking him out in the process.
At the same time, this seems like a huge gamble for obi to make if he is indeed scum buddies with chezinu. Chez would need a miracle to save himself today on day four and obi would need to rely on town buying the fact that he didn't know about the nuke deadline. I actually didn't realize that the nuke deadline was one hour ahead of the silent period, rather than before the silent period itself, so I'm not willing to rule out that obi didn't make the same mistake.
I've kinda had obi on my null-town list most of the game from when I compared his filter to the database filters earlier on.
On November 06 2014 11:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Too late, dickitude activated.
Get some.
On November 06 2014 10:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Are you fucking serious?
I've been saying the same shit on repeat for the past three days and you STILL have no idea why I voted Lt?
Are you actually mafia? Are you deliberately ignoring me?
On November 06 2014 11:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On November 06 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You've called me bad in just about every single game we've been in and you're acting like me getting pissed off is completely unfounded.
On November 06 2014 11:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I love how you think I'm pulling the wool over your eyes as I lay on my death bed.
On November 12 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If I ever get tunneled like that again I'm just going to omgus as hard as I possibly can.
I won't even care if whoever is doing it flips town. Never again.
At some point in the game, someone (I think it might have been you Rels) brought up how it seemed obi was mafia because the anger he displayed when people shared suspicion of him was way overboard. It was assumed that the anger must be fake since that is something mafia typically do when they are getting pushed. However, obi tends to sometimes get emotional when he is being pushed for reasons that he doesn't see as valid. For instance, here in Hearthstone Mafia (quotes above), then entire town is hammering him for a mislynch and he gets all worked up and he was town that game. That kinda seemed similar to what we saw here earlier.
As mafia, the general trend that I found skimming through his games was that he typically has an attitude of "I can't be bothered to read the thread". In this game, there are a few instances where he seems like he is actually spending time to put thought into something or maybe going back to read something, though there are still a few quotes you can find where he simply says that he doesn't care.
I wish I had a stronger read here, but I'm kind of on the fence. There are reasons that I see that point to mafia and reasons that could make him town. He is one of the more difficult players to read to begin with in my opinion. I'll probably take a closer look at KSC and ritoky next to see if I can be more confident on either of them.
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You: because of the 1 minute after deadline thing, and because I was thinking you were town D1 and you didn't do a whole lot since; exactly like your last game where you got lynched at LYLO, where everybody townread you early, then gradually realized you were mafia 'cause you didn't do anything starting D3.
KSC:
On August 28 2015 22:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 22:35 JudgeJudy wrote:
What do you think about KSC, Rels? Now that FF has flipped town, do you buy the claim that KSC was fake claiming cop as town? We need to kill him before LYLO. I had no scumread nor townread of him until this morning. The guy made sure he was unreadable. Now, the FF flip this morning confirmed he was lying about the check. The moment that happened, he did this: Then 20 minutes later he actually rescinded his cop claim: Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 08:32 KelsierSC wrote:
soap
here's the thing, i don't actually have a way of checking people
i'm a town vigi, i shot geript n1 for the lolz,
he didnt die so i assumed he was a vet and called him town
then i took a punt on LT being mafia next night
but for my town defence, i got people to vote rayn
and LT
so im town
i just havent really played properly
So several things are super weird: 1 - he fakeclaimed for the entire game 2 - he made sure he was unreadable for the entire game 3 - we don't know if KSC would have rescinded his claim without FF flipping 4 - before he rescinded, he posted he checked a dead man; maybe he tried to cover his fakeclaim by claiming the dead check, before realising it's not coherent, then he claimed vig 5 - he didn't post much this game but is over defensive the moment someone talks about him being scummy. KSC stating he was the main force behind rayn and LT's lynches is LOL worthy We need to lynch him sooner or later. Not over 100% mafia Chezinu, but maybe tomorrow.
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On August 28 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:You: because of the 1 minute after deadline thing, and because I was thinking you were town D1 and you didn't do a whole lot since; exactly like your last game where you got lynched at LYLO, where everybody townread you early, then gradually realized you were mafia 'cause you didn't do anything starting D3. KSC: Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 22:46 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 22:35 JudgeJudy wrote:
What do you think about KSC, Rels? Now that FF has flipped town, do you buy the claim that KSC was fake claiming cop as town? We need to kill him before LYLO. I had no scumread nor townread of him until this morning. The guy made sure he was unreadable. Now, the FF flip this morning confirmed he was lying about the check. The moment that happened, he did this: On August 28 2015 08:14 KelsierSC wrote:
i checked a dead man
Then 20 minutes later he actually rescinded his cop claim: On August 28 2015 08:32 KelsierSC wrote:
soap
here's the thing, i don't actually have a way of checking people
i'm a town vigi, i shot geript n1 for the lolz,
he didnt die so i assumed he was a vet and called him town
then i took a punt on LT being mafia next night
but for my town defence, i got people to vote rayn
and LT
so im town
i just havent really played properly
So several things are super weird: 1 - he fakeclaimed for the entire game 2 - he made sure he was unreadable for the entire game 3 - we don't know if KSC would have rescinded his claim without FF flipping 4 - before he rescinded, he posted he checked a dead man; maybe he tried to cover his fakeclaim by claiming the dead check, before realising it's not coherent, then he claimed vig 5 - he didn't post much this game but is over defensive the moment someone talks about him being scummy. KSC stating he was the main force behind rayn and LT's lynches is LOL worthy We need to lynch him sooner or later. Not over 100% mafia Chezinu, but maybe tomorrow.
I don't see how these points warrant a lynch.
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On August 28 2015 23:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ? Yes and no. It was unclear. I thought the 1 hour before deadline bit was in regards to the actual deadline rather than the silent deadline. If it worked for tubesock, why wouldn't it work for me? /shrug OK. JJ if you received a PM like that yourself; was it unclear ?
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Yeah it was.
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On August 28 2015 23:31 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:23 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 28 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:Now, about ObiWanShinobi. I'm sure every town is the game has this guy as possible mafia, by virtue of the rayn town circle + POE. But now that I'm sure Chezinu is mafia, I'm pretty sure OWS is mafia as well. Why ? Look at what Onegu posted just before the D4 post: On August 28 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote:
The nuke on Chezinu was lanched after the nuke deadline. PMs with the nukes were told you had to launch 1 hour before deadline. The nuke will be refunded. So every owner of a nuke given by Breshke or Yamato were told they had to fire the nuke at most 1 hour before deadline. Look at what JJ did: On August 28 2015 04:56 JudgeJudy wrote:
lol I was hoping to see which one obi would go with, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll be around this afternoon. Go ahead and send yours at chez, maybe we can end the game tonight.
Moma has been holding on to a present! ^_^
##Nuke: Fecalfeast He waited until 4 minutes before the nuke deadline to see what OWS would do; then he fired his nuke, so the nuke would work. Now look at what OWS did: On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. 1 minute AFTER the nuke deadline, he tried to fire his nuke while EXPLAINING WHY HE DID IT SO LATE. So of course the nuke didn't work. And it's not like he didn't have time to think about it! The whole thread only talked about nuke targets N3. OWS came back to the thread 6 HOURS BEFORE NUKE DEADLINE and posted SEVENTEEN POSTS until his nuke ONE MINUTE AFTER DEADLINE. All of these 17 posts says he's not sure about who to lynch. But he was NOT LOOKING FOR CLUES ABOUT NUKING SOMEONE. He was just posting he's not sure. Here is town Breshke remarking it (second to last post ... RIP): On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote:
Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying
Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia And here are the SEVENTEEN POSTS I talked about: + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. On August 27 2015 23:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 22:54 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 22:49 Chezinu wrote:On August 27 2015 22:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 27 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:fidei I'll let you do your thing. @OWS when you come back 1 - OK to nuke Chez ? 2 - Read this cool theory (and the posts following if you didn't already, lots of discussion took place) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=141#28173 - What do you think of that ? + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Fuck sorry geript. About your KSC is rsoultin suicide role theory: don't see any smiley on his filter. OK the multiple posts stating "I'm the towniest town in the game" + "I'm too pretty to kill" may be rsoultin. The spam may be JAT ? Don't know him, don't know if he would say "I'm the towniest town in the game". OWS you're super strong at guessing roles apparently, could KSC be rsoultin ? Cause I wanna believe that rsoultin suicide role theory. I might nuke chez but I'm still reading stuff. Doubtful that ksc is Rso imo. Everybody wants to nuke the chez! The town The mafia The brown? I gathered. Who should I nuke in your place? Forgive me if I missed it but I can't parse the thread via phone too well. FF, I think that should clear me. Remind me why that is and why exactly I should do that? On August 27 2015 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Doesn't role blocker return "no result" or how exactly does that happen? On August 27 2015 23:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@jj: he had two checks in one night? Where did he claim that? I can't look for myself.
Ff is 100% the best nuke in the case of conflicting role claims. On August 28 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:59 Breshke wrote:
Tictock FF could very well be mafia yes. There is a lot of discrepancies which does not look good for him. People can make bad checks like obviously checking geript there wasn't optimal because we already had two checks on him basically. I will also agree that on the other side of the same coin mafia can make sub optimal plays and bad claims and that could very well be what FF has done.
The fact of the mater is FF is going to get a check on KSC so weather you think FF is mafia or not i think it is optimal to let him liveto give us this information on KSC because if he says KSC is green as i have explained it basically confirms him.
Also do you not think it is weird that chez hasn't claimed what his role actually does? (has he?) Half the game is calling for him to get nuked you think he would try leverage it with his power.
Yeah that's not really how information works. On August 28 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
mmm
I feel like I could make a solid choice nuking either or chez/ff but that doesn't really make it easier. On August 28 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Yeah I'm gonna be kind of sad if it's fake. On August 28 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shock and surprise nobody trusts me.
W/e. On August 28 2015 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah I fucking get it. On August 28 2015 01:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I kind of feel like chez would probably be the best nuke here, considering having him alive is going to shut discussion down for another day.
The thing is: can the same be said about ff? On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. On August 28 2015 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:49 Fidei86 wrote:On August 28 2015 01:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could easily be on the lynch table tomorrow, nuking him seems like a bit of a waste at this juncture. Explain to me why town would lynch Damdred? Ask the people that want to nuke him. On August 28 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 02:02 geript wrote:
TBH, nuking him makes far more sense than lynching him. But it is kinda a waste if he has an antinuke. Yeah. On August 28 2015 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred would claim anti nukes regardless of whether or not he actually had them in this position though.
Chez is probably still the best nuke. On August 28 2015 02:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The bit I found towny about chez was his fight with rels.
That's the thing that's stopping me from nuking him atm. On August 28 2015 03:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:38 Damdred wrote:
Lets be honest here, you are debating nukeing a third party who has helped town with shenanigans onto god father rayn.
Lynches Lt which has 0 town cred.
And ny death puts you closer to lylo.
Though if you are going to nuke me ows ho on and do it so I can give out as much info as I can so it doesn't get surprise here's a nuke. I'm not going to nuke you. I'm torn between chez and ff. Hopefully I can reread something when I'm on lunch break. On August 28 2015 05:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
K well since my boss is a fucking asshole and won't let me take a lunch break I guess I'm probably just going to yolo kill chez and hope for the best. OK! So why did he do this ? Here is what I believe happened: - OWS and Chezinu mafia together, maybe the last ones - OWS delayed the time to make a decision during several hours - Just after the nuke deadline passed, OWS finally posted he would nuke Chezinu - But of course the nuke didn't work And here is why he did itHe nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline so he would not kill his partner. But he nuked Chezinu so he would gain town cred after Chez flipped. He also nuked after the deadline so he still kept the nuke to use on anyone else in case Chezinu flipped; after all, supposing there are 5 mafias, he would be the last alive; nuking anyone would be good for him. TLDROWS purposefully nuked Chezinu 1 minute after nuke deadline. He did it so Chezinu lived another day; for the towncred if Chezinu flipped; and to keep the nuke for another person later. Except it was unclear whether or not the nuke actually had to be fired 1 hour after deadline. Even then, this analysis doesn't really say anything other than "Obi didn't nuke chez, so he's mafia." There could be any variation of town/mafia in your proposed analysis but it's inconclusive regardless. So you didn't receive a PM saying the nuke had to be fired 1 hour before deadline ? Or was it not clear ? Yes and no. It was unclear. I thought the 1 hour before deadline bit was in regards to the actual deadline rather than the silent deadline. If it worked for tubesock, why wouldn't it work for me? /shrug OK. JJ if you received a PM like that yourself; was it unclear ? Yeah it was.
Oh. Then my case is not strong.
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I may be biased because I keep thinking a KSC lynch is bad.
I feel like people are resigned towards trying to lynch him for being lazy, and I'm not sure that's a tell for him either way.
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On August 28 2015 23:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:You: because of the 1 minute after deadline thing, and because I was thinking you were town D1 and you didn't do a whole lot since; exactly like your last game where you got lynched at LYLO, where everybody townread you early, then gradually realized you were mafia 'cause you didn't do anything starting D3. KSC: On August 28 2015 22:46 Rels wrote:On August 28 2015 22:35 JudgeJudy wrote:
What do you think about KSC, Rels? Now that FF has flipped town, do you buy the claim that KSC was fake claiming cop as town? We need to kill him before LYLO. I had no scumread nor townread of him until this morning. The guy made sure he was unreadable. Now, the FF flip this morning confirmed he was lying about the check. The moment that happened, he did this: On August 28 2015 08:14 KelsierSC wrote:
i checked a dead man
Then 20 minutes later he actually rescinded his cop claim: On August 28 2015 08:32 KelsierSC wrote:
soap
here's the thing, i don't actually have a way of checking people
i'm a town vigi, i shot geript n1 for the lolz,
he didnt die so i assumed he was a vet and called him town
then i took a punt on LT being mafia next night
but for my town defence, i got people to vote rayn
and LT
so im town
i just havent really played properly
So several things are super weird: 1 - he fakeclaimed for the entire game 2 - he made sure he was unreadable for the entire game 3 - we don't know if KSC would have rescinded his claim without FF flipping 4 - before he rescinded, he posted he checked a dead man; maybe he tried to cover his fakeclaim by claiming the dead check, before realising it's not coherent, then he claimed vig 5 - he didn't post much this game but is over defensive the moment someone talks about him being scummy. KSC stating he was the main force behind rayn and LT's lynches is LOL worthy We need to lynch him sooner or later. Not over 100% mafia Chezinu, but maybe tomorrow. I don't see how these points warrant a lynch.
OK. I'll let you make cases on who you want then.
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