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Rayn who is scum? | ||
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On August 11 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote: If you are talking about this post, yes it is the one thing stopping me from having a strong town read on trfel. With how much you played with trfel it is just weird for an early read. I honestly don't think I mind the read as much as the first and last line. The arguments itself suggest he's pretty certain ("hard for me to see her... be mafia") yet both the first and last sentence seed doubt about his own argument and make it more likely it's ignored. | ||
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On August 11 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote: I have a feels-based suspicion of Artanis ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/I4izgwi.gif) | ||
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On August 12 2015 04:06 ruXxar wrote: Ok so I mixed up the order of things and made me look like ass. I know that. So I'm going to put this fuckup behind me and look ahead. You can hang on in the past and vote me and look like ass when I flip town, or you can move on and we'll find the real mafia. It's the kind of martyring confidence that only comes from town. Vivax because he's too upfront with all his opinions and pretty carefree. This post especially On August 12 2015 02:09 Vivax wrote: I hate the way he plays cause of past experiences, but right now he's the enemy of my enemy so I'm cutting him a big chunk of slack until I know what you are. I'm still wondering what these random questions are supposed to achieve. Didn't your opinion on me change in our entire convo? How he's so open about cutting the enemy of his enemy slack for that reason is something I don't think scum Vivax would feel comfortable to say. Rayn because he's hard townreading me when there was little reason for a hard townread. I think a scum Rayn would soft town me at best, but it's clear he sees something and it feels like he's trying to figure out the game rather than throw salt around. I think VE might be mafia. First reason is: On August 12 2015 01:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh I wanted to be the very first to throw scum on Artanis just for being good at being scum. He's scary as fuck and if he lives longer than 3 days we kill him no questions period k? Thx. I don't recall VE being someone that fearmongers this much. I'm far from the best mafia player around as well. I've had two good mafia games and the rest have been washes. It also achieves scum objectives in the sense that it throws suspicion on me without actually quantifying it with anything. Vivax did something similar, but he's Vivax. Secondly, he clearly wasn't reading the thread. On August 12 2015 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote: The real question is: why isn't anyone else suspicious of Trfel if he's NOT mafia. That's the real question. Plenty of people indicated townreads on Trfel at that point, and I had called his play suspicious as well before coming back to it later. I don't feel that this VE is the town VE. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:47 ruXxar wrote: Artanis, what do you think of vivax explanation here? I don't understand what he meant, can you explain it? He's saying that if he doesn't pressure me and I do nothing, I'm mafia, so he figures not pressuring me will reveal my alignment. He's wrong though since in Imperial I wasn't really pressured and still tried hard, but as a rule I try much harder in towngames than mafia games. | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do people just say stuff without even reading what i write? Was this to me? What do you think of VE? | ||
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Why? Why? | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:54 ruXxar wrote: We should lynch hopeless rider. He's like 99% mafia imo. Slightly above average mafia because of some townreads but he's often useless. Don't think it says much. | ||
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On August 12 2015 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think you should answer the first question like that. VE is town because of stuff and things. Like how can you actually vote VE over ruxxar dude? YOU, of all the people? Because VE is far more likely to be scum than Ruxxar, as Ruxxar is town. The way he behaves is not a way scum behave and he's still far too motivated and posty after being tunneled by you and Vivax. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote: Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful. Something that has to do with scumhunting preferably. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis let's be real here: Do you ignore everyhitng i pointed out just because his response is "lol you are bad rayn"? I think you're tunneling and that you're wrong. I'm confident in that he's town and nothing you've pointed out in your filter has made me think otherwise. That he backtracked and contradicted himself does not make him scum. It just means he's playing a bad game. I can change my opinion on something if I reread too. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:09 deconduo wrote: Meh. Only VE has looked particularly scummy to me as I've pointed out. Everyone else is townish or neutral or absent (hi prpl). Is that just because of the storm name thing and his reaction to you pointing it out? | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: that was not what he did though based on his OWN words. You don't need to state that you reread something to reread it. He went back to quote something, then gives the opposite read of what he did at the time iirc. I don't think that makes him scum in the slightest, and it doesn't weigh up to the to me overwhelming evidence that he is town. Please refute my arguments on VE and explain to me why you think he's town. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:13 deconduo wrote: Yah. Your post on him is more of a meta thing than anything else, but I'll wait for his response before making any more judgements on that end. I don't think they're necessarily reliant on meta; the Vivax read is more so since I exempted scumreading him for the same reason, it's more a general scummy thing to do (throwing dirt on someone without reasons) The part about not reading the game is also not meta related at all, so I don't think my VE read is based on meta. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine: 1) VE jsut had a game where he wanted to kill the shit out of me because he felt like i was "pocketing him again" as he had townread me when i was scum for two games in a row. You can call that "fearmongering", i call this "similar approach". 2) There are several instances where VE has not been reading the thread properly, like in the last game he wanted to kill me 36h later i had already flipped. case closed? Here is game: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1994 I'm not reading an entire game but I'll take your word for it. ##Unvote I'll try rereading Ruxxar again but I really don't think he's scum still. | ||
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On August 12 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax can you explain these people why ruxxar is mafia because i am apparently incapable of doing so, Palmar doesn't give any fucks, rsoultin idk, Artanis does not read. I don't know who else to go to. It might be because you keep saying I don't read without actually explaining what I'm apparently reading wrongly. | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i am trying to be as clear as possible: ruxxar says one of Vivax/Hopeless is mafia Vivax makes a post. He says one of them "looks a bit better" He pushes Vivax (with questioning, but it is essentially the same thing because if he thought Hopeless was mafia then he would Q him instead) also see green People call him out for the read because it is not clear who is he even talking about I ask him "which one does look a bit better" (because i have just voted for hopeless) He says random other things I tell him to answer clearly He says "Vivax looks better" I ask why do you question Vivax then instead of Hopeless? He says, "because i thought this green post made was by artanis. I fucked up" I ask him "why did you then push Vivax based on the SAME post. Like if that post is from Artanis (as you thought) why are you pushing Vivax for that post? dudeeeesssS???? You have proven that what he has been saying makes absolutely no sense, is contradictory and all that stuff and is certainly not logical in the slightest. I'm simply saying I don't think that makes him mafia and that I think he's town because of tone, effort, determination and seeing some posts I never see mafia make (one of which I've pointed out before). | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: It falls into the "i am changing my story" category. Town does not do that. I've done that before as town myself I'm pretty sure. | ||
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On August 12 2015 14:40 Trfel wrote: Why do you say this? I don't see ruXxar being excited about anything, or eager to investigate/push/discuss anything. And I also don't see ruXxar looking ahead and being productive like he says he will, like you townread him for doing (as of the time you made this post, anyway). Please explain. I see Ruxx as being eager to post and continuously explaining his situation, fighting every argument being brought against him (in however poor way he's doing so) and attempting to contribute. A better way of putting it is that the what that he's been doing has been bad (and he has admitted to it as well) but the how he's doing it is so town that I'm very confident that he's town. The words I used were poorly chosen to make this clear but I could name examples of what I mean if you really want me to. I already put up an example earlier in my initial reads. Is this the only reason you're scumreading me? | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: i totally forgot purplehaze is in the game. There is something he'll probably do if he is mafia. I don't think he has done anything alignment indicative yet. I am amused how can people trust a tone read over actual post-based evidence that a guy is clearly just fucking pulling shit out of his ass. I am sad. I would sigbet you that rux is town but that'd both probably be against the rules and.. I might look like a drunk rager, but all I want is a little love and a hug.  | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote: thoughts on condor, then? or prp lol >< Deconduo is weird. His posts haven't had any focus. Actually he might be my preferred lynch candidate for today but something really silly is making me hedge, which is this: On August 12 2015 06:01 deconduo wrote: Like tell people not to claim their hurricane name. Cos apparently that's pretty useful. The arrogance in that even when he hasn't really done much leads me to believe he actually believes he's contributing, so meh. Prp is still null to me. yes. | ||
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On August 12 2015 23:29 rsoultin wrote: heh. kinda weak, artie if you two just yes and no back and forth you'll be beaten with more than just a wet noodle Weak would also be the way I'd describe their posting so far, but it doesn't really pull me any which way yet. Also, you'd enjoy beating us regardless so just get on with it already. | ||
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raynpelikoneet - clear town, detailed evaluations even if I think they're wrong on ruxx, and his early strong townread on me is something I don't think he would've done as mafia. Trfel - After reading his filter I really don't know. What irks me is that he seems to just be going for the lowest hanging fruit (Chez, Ruxx, Deconduo) and his (presumably) reason to scumread me felt weak and without critical thought, and I have higher expectations than that for Trfel. He's also been inactive for Trfel standards. What makes me reluctant is that tonewise he does feel very much like townTrfel. He feels confident, but not overconfident in his reads in a way that I've come to know of townTrfel. Rsoultin - Probably town? Some of the uncertainty in her posts feels weird as I'm used to her pushing her thoughts strongly, Rayn had a nice post on it earlier and she's been the same way with Ruxx. On the other hand she's come forth with a bunch of her own opinions and there's plenty of smileys to go around. Damdred - I currently have no idea. Need more time. ruXxar - Already detailed. Palmar - Has given some reads, has not given reasons for them but has been so blatant about that fact that there would basically be no scum motivation to make them, but he's done so little that it's not much to go off. prplhz - Hasn't done anything. Deconduo - On August 12 2015 23:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Deconduo is weird. His posts haven't had any focus. Actually he might be my preferred lynch candidate for today but something really silly is making me hedge, which is this: The arrogance in that even when he hasn't really done much leads me to believe he actually believes he's contributing, so meh. VisceraEyes - Despite claiming that I meta'd him (when my points were actually all things I'd generally consider mafia traits) Rayn pointed out that he's done them as town so I'm not left with much. Cockyness suggests town. Hopeless1der - Useless and doesn't care. Chezinu - ?????????, he's called out Ruxxar before it was cool (after Vivax, but before Rayn) and discussed the Chezinu rule a bunch. He's made a cryptic post or two but they seem to be more setup related than reads related. Not a clue. Vivax - On August 12 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because he's too upfront with all his opinions and pretty carefree. This post especially How he's so open about cutting the enemy of his enemy slack for that reason is something I don't think scum Vivax would feel comfortable to say. Something that worries me about my own reads is that a lot of it is tone based. Though I'm very confident in the Ruxx one it's much less so on other players. Feedback on any you agree/disagree with is appreciated. | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote: mostly okay with your reads, artie lol >< i'd say hope is more than a coinflip, though. he was pretty eh as cop this last game, too, but he had reads right out the gate. not so here palmar i refuse to read when he's doing nothing -_- i have enough trouble when he's actually posting prp also is more of a scumlean for me cause doing nothing for him is actually alignment indicative not sure what damdy's up to but i'm sticking to my earlier read on him lol >< wouldn't be the first time he afkd Problem is I've seen both Hope and Prpl play shitty games as town. Between the two, I think I agree that I'd prefer to lynch Prpl because he does actually play more often as town rather than as mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 02:39 Vivax wrote: Hopeless, prplhz, Chez and Deconduo are the guys I often end up scumreading when mafia isn't among them and simply does stuff. They are extremely lurky and give very little information as both alignments. Chez you can read to some extent cause as town he will try to solve the game in one way or another, mixed in with some of his notorious trolling, as opposed to the pure trolling and chaos from mafia chez. prplhz and hopeless deserve their own category. If they're town they're good lynch bait. As mafia they have the advantage of that reputation and are allowed to stay under the radar without raising much suspicion. RASPUTINA. You have been pushing these two lynch baits. Hopeless earlier and now prplhz. Do you want the day to be a policy lynch day? Deconduo seems more readable this game, I actually look forward to him giving us a more complete view of the accusations on ruxxar, and I would like an explanation from him regarding VE's overraction to his soft claim being called out as a reason for him being mafia. I don't think that's entirely true for prp; his scumgame is a lot weaker than his towngame's potential is at least, though it is true that he has towngames where he does nothing. | ||
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I'll lynch Hopeless I guess. ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote: lol okay artie >< did everyone take a dumb pill or something? I mean I'm okay with lynching prpl too tbh. Either of them is fine. Don't think I want to lynch Decon, sounded too genuine earlier. | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck fuck fuck i kinda wanna sheep Palmar on Damdred. He hasn't even said why Damdred is scum though, and I have no idea on him. Why do you think he's scum? | ||
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On August 13 2015 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. I don't care to be honest. People arent even reading my posts properly and i am not in the "best mindset" tbh atm. mm.. i have an hour off. Do not let them idiots lynch non-Hopeless please my love Artanis? <3 Honestly I don't really care between Hopeless and Prplhz atm but I'll see what happens. Just try to relax a bit dear <3 | ||
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On August 13 2015 06:08 Chezinu wrote: I tried brainstorming alternative candidates but my mind was a bit cloudy. Where's your mind currently at, Chez? Have any reads for us to share? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/jzjwJ/879fb2a648.png) And I've noticed that besides me, no one actually has a townread on Deconduo, a bunch of people have scumreads yet he has no votes. I also went through his filter again in this process and found that he hasn't really given many original thoughts at all other than setup related. I think that makes it pretty likely for him to be scum, since someone would've pushed him by now if he wasn't, especially with a lack of organisation. ##Unvote ##Vote Deconduo | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:03 prplhz wrote: people did push decon? also if hopeless is town then scum could just be waiting for us to lynch him and then hope to take decon tomorrow? No one voted him but VE though. People have been soft accusing him all game without voting him is what I'm saying, which is usually a prime recipe for someone to be scum. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Well rsoultin did. That's why she's an evil temptress. She's tempting me off my rayn sheep. He'd understand though since you said it was okay though Artanis. ^^ Yeah, but she didn't do it until just now and she's probably town so eh. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:08 prplhz wrote: couldn't he just be a townie instead and the reason scum aren't pushing him (yet!) is because they have no reason to? I don't think so unless all the realistic lynch candidates have been scum. Deconduo was an easy push target in a time when no one was really getting pushed. It's possible mafia are just a very weak team and don't have any thread presence but in that case we'll probably win anyway. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:09 rsoultin wrote: i'm generally righterer ^^ artie, i think you were the one saying that you thought decon was town, though? not that i mind people sheeping me <3 I did as you can see in the table, but it was for a weak reason and I feel the more global view such as ver has described in one of his analysis posts is fairly incriminating on him, as well as going through his filter again due to rereading for the schematic I drew I felt he was pretty scummy in general. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:11 prplhz wrote: like you say "decon is scum because scum aren't pushing him" but you can't explain why scum would push him which is why i don't buy it. i don't think decon is super townie, he's mostly just playing like people from way back usually play. Scum would like to not get lynched. If Deconduo is town, there was no one (but me) townreading him, making him an easy push. No one but VE tries to lynch Deconduo until very recently. The fact that someone tried, a lot of people are scumreading him and it got no traction is pretty incriminating. | ||
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6 people are scumreading Deconduo. No one is (strongly) reading him town. VE votes for Deconduo. Nothing happens. I think this makes him likely to be mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:15 prplhz wrote: yes scum would like not to get lynched but are they getting lynched? are you saying that scum are getting lynched right now and because they're not trying to save themselves by switching the lynch to decon then decon is scum? I guess I have to repeat the argument I've already made. Presuming Deconduo is town: Unless there were no mafia in danger of getting lynched OR mafia has no thread presence, Deconduo was the best possible mislynch for scum as no one would've strongly fought it. I don't think the first case is likely, and I think we are very likely to win anyway if the second scenario is accurate. | ||
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On August 13 2015 07:17 prplhz wrote: like if decon is massive lynchbait and hopeless is town: why would scum even switch to decon? they'd just let us kill hopeless today and then massive lynchbait decon tomorrow and then suddenly it's d3 and we've nothing to show for it? what am i missing? Hopeless didn't become a leading wagon until recently. I'm talking about the time leading up to that. | ||
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So, uh, why? | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:03 Vivax wrote: The things in my filter weren't reason enough for me to go after one of them, confident that he is scum. I'm just being pragmatic and removing the less informative of the two first, since I'm forced to choose one. So despite finding things you dislike in Deconduo's filter and not really doing so for Hopeless, you still prefer a Hopeless lynch because Deconduo is more likely to reveal his alignment later? The way you phrase it, it kinda sounds like you do think Decon is slightly more likely to flip scum than hopeless. | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:08 Vivax wrote: I won't change my decision. If you wanted to entrap me in something you are free to show off the catch. I'm not trying to entrap you into anything. I'm asking you if you think Deconduo is more likely to flip scum than Hopeless. If the answer is no, then I presume the explanations Deconduo gave for his posts were satisfactory? | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:12 Vivax wrote: I didn't even take into consideration precisely what both of them did. I'm using shallow reasoning to choose between shallow options. Means whatever posts you are alluding to, I don't even care about them cause both of them feel like premature lynches. I don't understand why you wouldn't use all the information you have available to try and choose the person most likely to be scum. It sounds like you're just being lazy. | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote: I am, cause these are not my favourite lynches. Spent all day on my lynch and I'm not getting it, so I don't have to explain to you why I pick one over the other with you suggesting I should have deeper reasons for my choice when I really didn't. That's the entrapment: You ask of me if deconduo's posts are fine for me now as if it meant something for my choice when I have never even taken his posts into consideration. I've read through both of them and decided for myself that I would prefer another lynch, but I can't get it so I'll find a reason that affects the future game (how active I expect them to be). If I had a reason for one of them being mafia then I would use that and not this practical decision. Look, it's pretty simple. Town wants to lynch mafia. Even if you didn't get your preferred lynch, you should still try to get the lynch that is most likely to get scum. I don't understand why you're trying to resist doing that in favour of some arbitrary decision based on information when there already is information to work with. Anyway, I'm off to bed. | ||
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I agree with Rayn. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Unless you still want to lynch Ruxx | ||
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On August 13 2015 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Final answer Hopeless / prplhz / Chezinu. Now stop being stupid. I am looking at you Artanis, rsoultin and Damdred. You no longer thing RuXx is mafia? | ||
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On August 13 2015 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was kinda thinking of calling Trfel mafia but what he says and how he approaches the EoD lines up with his thought process earlier in the game. prplhz suddenly crawls up from his cave when votes start going towards Hopeless. There is zero mention in his filter about Palmar which i find out to be impossible unless he is mafia (Palmar is really good at reading him, and they ALWAYS "fight" when prplhz is town, or if they are both mafia). He isn't saying anything smart and is only focused on saing dumb things to me, by dumb i mean things that are not relevant to anything really. Hopeless just posts stuff that has zero thoughts behind it. Regardless of his activity in games that IS his scumplay, and NOT his townplay. As town he is at least trying to help, regardless of how people read his posts and regardless of if he gets lynched for it or not. He has literally zero intention to find mafia here, as i said he is just posting stuff. There was not really any reason to scumread deconduo until he posts more. prplhz has been around long enough to know this. I talked about it with rsoultin. The game is hella different than it used to be and we just witnessed the same thing with iGrok last game. The fact that deconduo never comes back to the thread should not be a reason to lynch him, he is just begging for a vig-shot. But it does not make him a good lynch, because you can't really tell his alignment from his posting. The votes and how they ended up on deconduo SHOULD have told you there is something really wrong with this lynch.... meh... Palmar i need you to step up here and do it quick. When i die i don't want this game to go on to autopilot mode which nearly lost the game in Down Under just because you lost your credibility by your "not caring" attitude early on. Please do start caring and please do it FAST. Artanis halp me. I'm good with a hopeless Storm Vote. Hopeless if you are town now is the time to churn out any reads you can since you're probably dead tomorrow. As for Prplhz, I don't think the biggest problem I have with him is being on Deconduo (especially since I did the same), but rather how he fought my argument despite being null on him, didn't push anything else then finally ended up on Deconduo anyway. Feels like he was just arguing for the sake of arguing. On August 13 2015 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know and i don't care right now. I am just going to ignore him because noone except Vivax will lynch him anyways no matter what i think and it's not productive. So i just completely ignore him and if he is mafia i am blaming you. Ok, I'm happy to take the blame and confirm I'm terrible at this game if RuXx turns out to be mafia. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:30 Vivax wrote: I'm not letting Artanis off the hook after what he did yesterday when he tried to move me to Decon using my own posts as a tool. You're so cute. | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:33 prplhz wrote: i never had a great problem with lynching deconduo. to me he played like every other player who used to play but then didn't play for a long while but now they're back to play again, like every other player like that plays. i thought it was what i expected of him so i gave him a very slight town read. this very slight town read had absolutely nothing to do with my arguments with artanis. artanis made a case on decon based on a spreadsheet that i was very impressed with. the spreadsheet, not the argument. in my opinion the case was super flawed and didn't tell us anything. so i engaged with artanis on it because the thread was dead, i had no leads, nothing was happening, some guy made an argument i disagreed with, lets see what happens? after the case i decided to revoke my slight town read on decon. back to null with him. why? because he hadn't done anything. it's like he showed up, did what was expected, left again. back to null. rso looked town though and so did artanis and his spreadsheet so i decided that i'd just sheep them. i can sort of see why artanis made his argument (that i still disagree with), i liked his spreadsheet, rso looked townie enough compared to other people, i decided that these were the people i was gonna sheep. i don't know why it's relevant VE voted decon? i also already knew this when i started talking to artanis (i pointed it out in an earlier post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24726076). So you were very impressed by the spreadsheet, but you didn't actually take anything away from it and disagreed with the case. In retrospect, it was indeed wrong. What DID you learn from it though? | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:38 Vivax wrote: I think prpl is town and I fully agree with the spreadsheet thingy. I didn't mention this yesterday but I found that case to be even too tinfoil for my taste. It was well designed and presented but there wasn't that much behind the marketing. In fact it just felt like marketing. I'm trying to rearrange reads and a hopeless flip would help immensely, he is indeed very passive compared to his townie standard. I can say that more confidently now that enough time has passed. I think after him I'd look more closely into Artanis and VE. What happened to your Damdred and Ruxxar reads? | ||
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On August 13 2015 20:46 Vivax wrote: Damdy wasn't a read, it was a Palmar sheep. Ruxxar is on ice while I evaluate what happened yesterday, he wasn't on the decon wagon. So now that you know that your assumption about decon not being voted as a basis for the scumread has been proven wrong, where has the mafia been yesterday? I presume some hopped onto the Deconduo wagon. If it's Hopeless, mafia is likely within the pool Rayn has outlined. I still need to take a more detailed look at the vote count though. | ||
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On August 13 2015 21:19 prplhz wrote: i'm really not trying to be cheeky here and i tried rewording my response a couple of time but every time it just boils down to this: i learned that you made a spreadsheet that seemed to be correct. Fuck you, now I want to call you town. | ||
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On August 14 2015 02:06 Vivax wrote: I'm moving Artanis to town pile disregarding the questioning I didn't like yesterday, and taking rayn's word for him being town. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2aykAdU.gif) | ||
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On August 14 2015 02:51 ruXxar wrote: Artanis do you think there was scum on the Decon train? Yes, but I still haven't bothered to actually read the thread properly since the flip so you're gonna have to wait for specifics. | ||
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OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT | ||
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Someone flipped? | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:35 rsoultin wrote: hm? nah just viva and rayn tag-teaming damdy Yeah I kinda glossed over that. Damdy does seem quite emo this game. Most unfortunate. | ||
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Moving on. | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:47 Palmar wrote: I need to remember what I did this game for when I roll mafia. I have literally no idea how everyone is just assuming I'm town, but I do like it. Actually my spreadsheet only has Rayn and myself giving you a townread so I must've missed something. Please point to me whom I missed so I may rectify it. | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure prplhz is not mafia and VE is definitely not mafia so i would like to hear from rsoultin and Damdred who they do think the third mafia is? Can you explain to me why VE definitely isn't mafia so that I don't mislynch him if you end up dying? | ||
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On August 14 2015 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because of his case on Trfel, he took a different approach than other people did and it actually made sense. Also his approach to "whoever says VE is scum must be mafia", it is what he does as town. And also the rant between him and Vivax was pure town VE. Hm, just went through the Vivax-VE exchange and I'm inclined to agree. | ||
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On August 14 2015 07:27 ruXxar wrote: You spewing scumreads shows me that you actually have scumreads instead of just fabricating scum-reads later by reading peoples filters. Everyone who's town has some thoughts about who they think is scum, whether they are strong or weak reads. If you can't produce those reads on demand or are hesistant to give them it's an indicator that you're scum afraid to commit, or that you're playing anti town on purpose. Either way you're not helping. So how about you actually answer my questions and stop acting like a stuck up self-entitled snob huh? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DWdGZXj.gif) | ||
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On August 14 2015 07:31 rsoultin wrote: fuck you too lex lol >< you're enjoying this too much i already answered your question, ruxx, and clearly you think i should answer you to satisfy your own delusions as to how townies should behave so that you can get a read on me well, newsflash, sweetcheeks. i'm town. i already answered you and insults are not going to make me answer any differently. if you're not satisfied with it, that's your problem and not mine I'm enjoying it about this much. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/o2BXQMa.gif) | ||
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On August 14 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote: still already already answered still already haven't reevaluated still don't give a flying fuck just like you don't ^^ see the bolded take your hypocrisy somewhere else and btw, the point was a whole shit ton of people here are basing their reads off hopeless being scum, so if he is town which i honestly don't think is impossible, we're wasting our time playing scumreads by association i'm going to chill with someone whose company i enjoy now ^^ ciao Honestly if Hopeless doesn't flip scum I'm going to be quite worried. Too many townreads already. | ||
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On August 13 2015 09:54 Damdred wrote: He's pushing my lynch, sscum Palmer thinks I'm good as town. Wouldn't push me in a simplistic reasoning | ||
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On August 14 2015 08:09 Damdred wrote: Yeah basically, it's pretty simple but it works this game for me. Scum Palomar has scum read me,before in guardian I believe but it was momentary and,he backed off. He doesn't do,that here, and every other time, he has come,out,the gate with,me as scum it's him,being town. I'll,never use the read again,and it's a bit,bad,but it's true Don't really find that convincing, too based on expecting a specific response from Palmar when he loves breaking his meta. I don't think that's something you really can go off as hard as you are. | ||
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On August 14 2015 08:32 prplhz wrote: wow if we could storm palmar??? No. Storm Hopeless. Don't even think about it. I don't think the fact that he hasn't scumread you for long in games where he was scum and you were town means a lot, especially since there's probably been only a few games where he rolled scum and you rolled town. I doubt it's a reliable tell. | ||
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On August 14 2015 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not mad. I think you are mafia because there is zero reasoning for me to think you are town, you failed your Chezinu rule on D1 and lynched town instead of mafia. I think you are mafia because noone except you or Artanis would kill VE and i do not think Artanis is mafia. I think you are mafia because you are not being smart, having / not having time has nothing to do with that. Why would I kill VE? I don't get it | ||
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On August 14 2015 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you would medic dodge me. You probably would not shoot vivax because he's swingy. Damdred and rsoultin aren't at their best. VE is basically +1 vote for me regadless of what he does and unlynchable if i am alive. So yeah. No other kill doesnt really make sense. Also why would you not die? Why does neither of us die? I would always shoot a town leader though. Knowing myself I'd definitely shoot one of you/rsoul/damdy/trfel because as mafia I want control over the thread and VE wasn't really rivalling that, but it's all meaningless anyway since I could be saying this as mafia so eh. It is weird that neither of us died though, I agree. | ||
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Just went through VE's filter real quick and he wasn't really going after anyone. Last person he pointed a finger at was Palmar. I believe VE is actually the only person that's been suspicious of Palmar this game. | ||
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Also yeah, Chez is not being very cooperative. Chez, I went after Deconduo precisely because a lot of people scumread him but didn't actually vote him. That raised red flags to me. ##Vote Chezinu | ||
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On August 14 2015 18:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is something really weird in this game because i am sorta townreading everyone except for Chezinu. I guess it's going to be long night tonight... I'm in the same boat and I find it worrisome. | ||
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On August 14 2015 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. For the sake of my sanity i am going to consider ruxxar, palmar and vivax confirmed town for the rest of the game for [reasons]. Whoever can tell me why will probably get a townpass. They're connected by r's and x's? | ||
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It was the r's and x'es anyway. | ||
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On August 14 2015 18:53 Chezinu wrote: Would you agree that we should kill Tropical Storm Henri? I would agree we should kill any tropical storm that the mod will colour in red in a nightpost. | ||
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On August 14 2015 18:57 Chezinu wrote: Then why are you voting for a green one? cause it's safe and not blue? I personally believe I'm voting for one that will flip red. If that is not the case, you must show me the light. | ||
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Chez, you always play to survive to the lategame. If you are town, you know what you must do to stay alive. If you are mafia, feel free to keep doing what you're doing. | ||
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On August 14 2015 19:01 Chezinu wrote: hey art man can you paint me another pic with them color boxes? I want to see all them reds I'm on my phone heading to work atm, maybe later. | ||
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On August 14 2015 19:03 Chezinu wrote: If I wanted to survive I would just start calling people town. But you see, my death can kill mafia. There's a mad hatter in this game? | ||
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On August 14 2015 19:10 Chezinu wrote: Shhh.. I'm pretending to be a cop so when I die mafia will think I checked one of their guys... If you're a cop you might want to claim right now. | ||
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On August 14 2015 19:32 Chezinu wrote: Just remember, I believed you art when you claimed to be the jail keeper... I believed in you, when many did not.. The appeal to emotion is strong. | ||
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Do you still think Ruxx and Trfel are mafia? Do you seriously believe Rayn is mafia? I am confused. Where are you at right now? | ||
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On August 14 2015 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry not artanis but vivax. Everyone else had ti sheep because they were either bad or mafia on D1. You dont get credit because you havent even read the OP.  Hey I made up for it by shooting him N1 | ||
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On August 14 2015 22:45 Damdred wrote: I was just making a joke, no passive aggressive. Idk honestly I guess last scum could be prp maybe, I don't believe in a Chez/Prp scumteam. If Chez doesn't flip scum I'm open to the idea though. | ||
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On August 15 2015 00:39 rsoultin wrote: i'm with damdy and mostly just want him to answer cause it doesn't make sense o.0 but why? You are Prplhz. You hate playing mafia. You join the game, get a role PM. It contains a link to your scum QT. You sigh. You open it and after the mod post, you see these two posts: Chezinu: Tropical Storms are fascinating phenomena. Though very lethal on the outside, if you stay within the eye of the storm, it is practically harmless! Hopeless1der: I'm just gonna go post some random shit then afk, peace You HATE playing mafia. Your buddies are under suspicion and a bit of dirt is thrown on you as well. Do you... A) Afk and give up B) Try a little bit with very little enthusiasm, then give up once it's not immediately successful C) Ask to be replaced out D) Accuse your scummates in an attempt to get credit for the lategame that you hate, argue a lot about a scenario in which your scummate is town, approach things in a very reasonable way and put a lot of effort in without pushing any real agenda whilst also appearing genuine and being more active than half the towngames you've played I just don't think Prp is capable of D. I just don't think he could bring up the motivation if his scumteam was that shit, he'd just wave the white flag. | ||
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LYNCHBAIT EXTRAORDINAIRE | ||
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On August 15 2015 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: T: jimi Jimi is mafia. | ||
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Please stop posting until you're sober. | ||
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On August 15 2015 06:45 ruXxar wrote: Artanis my most trusted associste. Do I forgive chez here? I put my trust In you 100%. Lead me to the light artanis. I can forgive Chez for the crime of being mafia, but he must be purified first. The noose shall purify. | ||
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I'm actually not that sure about Chez being mafia but everyone else looks a lot townier so meh | ||
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On August 15 2015 18:27 ruXxar wrote: He's intentionally causing confusion instead of trying to be clear in his communication. intentionally avoiding simple questions and giving answers that are not even related. There is no way chezinu is not mafia. There is definitely a way that Chezinu isn't mafia. Not being clear in his communication and avoiding questions he doesn't want to answer is well within the Chez way. The problem I still have with his play is that I feel he's playing to survive more so than to help town. I'm curious why you think he isn't mafia anymore Rayn. | ||
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On August 15 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i don't really think Chezinu is mafia because of his posting. It is sort of dick move analysis. I don't actually think he would get that mad as scum. He basically doesn't realize he isn't doing any good for himself and just gets him killed instead of trying to survive. I am pretty sure he is not mafia. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm VE did have his eye on Trfel early on. Could that be why he died? | ||
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On August 15 2015 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I believe there is no way rsoultin does not shoot either me or you in the N1. Hm, true, the NK doesn't make much sense for it to be her. Bleh. | ||
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##Vote Rsoultin | ||
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![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/jCo7y/d9fc8a68fd.png) Ruxx, what do you think of Rsoultin? Vivax, you? | ||
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On August 15 2015 21:22 ruXxar wrote: She's voting on chezinu. Good enough for me today. That's not good enough for me today. Please actually look into her and tell me what you feel she's actually contributed in the game. | ||
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On August 15 2015 21:54 rsoultin wrote: ye, you're right. since the argument with viva/rayn i haven't had much desire to play lol >< how does that make me mafia exactly? hint: i'm not -_- My point is you haven't really done anything to solve the game whilst you have been posting. Coupled with the fact that I've felt your heart hasn't been in the game to begin with it leads me to believe that you are in fact mafia. Saying you're not is not the strongest argument in your favour. | ||
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On August 15 2015 22:25 rsoultin wrote: lol i don't think you've ever seen me play mafia, have you? eh, really don't care? if any of chez/prp/palmar are scum you can apologize profusely to me then cause i've literally done the most in this game do you have any other theories you could actually be right on? cause this looks a lot more like people getting antsy close to a lynch than actually thinking chez is town to me I think I've seen you play mafia but I haven't been in a game you were mafia in until now. I believe you're playing very differently from how you play town though in the games that I have played with you, and that leads me to believe you're likely to be scum. Your presence is just too weak and you haven't been quite as arrogant as you usually are. | ||
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On August 15 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote: lol >< well that's nice when you can actually make a case that i have a weak scum presence or i'm not arrogant as scum, come back with this drivel I had never played with a scum Wave either, and I caught him for doing the same thing you've done this game. I think they're general mafia tendencies for high post count players; little actual content when you read between the lines. | ||
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On August 15 2015 23:43 rsoultin wrote: eh, i'll think about you later though personally i think it's rather interesting that you decide to start a counterwagon on someone who 100% is not going to be lynched today (or ever, really, but lol >< that's beside the point) and your version of a case is not only weak as shit but demonstrably untrue you don't actually look into my scum play you don't actually try to push your scumread and you completely ignore the one player that you know (because we had this conversation pre-game) who actually can kind of read me and yes i say kind of because i've yet to see anyone consistently read me correctly as both alignments on this forum ^^ just know that if chez flips town i'm gunning for you artie <3 this half-assed attempt to push scum on me doesn't smack of someone really that convinced that the main wagon is town and he's found scum lol >< There aren't many people with strong townreads on you. I don't consider it unreasonable that you're going to get lynched. Also, if it's demonstrably untrue, demonstrate it. I haven't because I'm lazy. I am engaging others and asking them what they think of you to get more opinions. The only thing Damdy has said is that he thinks you're town, then he moved on. I can't do much with that. Also nice pre-flip association you have going there. I'm also not convinced Chez is town as I've echoed multiple times in my posts. | ||
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On August 15 2015 23:58 rsoultin wrote: but clearly you think i'm more likely to flip scum than he is? why? Mostly because Rayn seems to think he's town, I'm still unsure about him and I've had suspicions about you for a while now that I hadn't expressed or looked into, so when Rayn started looking for alternatives it seemed like the best time to bring you up. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:00 rsoultin wrote: i don't have to demonstrate anything about my scum play most everyone here has seen it and what you described is not it, to anyone with eyes at best, you're applying an overarching heuristic to me blindly You don't have to, but if you think I'm town then you want me to not vote for you, surely. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:04 rsoultin wrote: suspicions you haven't bothered to voice? based on...what? not playing that much? lol >< yeah, cause i'm a real inactive scum player if you're town, do the legwork. otherwise feel free to continue to spout idiocy ^^ You haven't been inactive though. You've still got plenty of filter pages. My problem is that you're not doing much with them. You haven't impacted the thread in a significant way. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote: lol >< wow if you actually think you can get me lynched today, especially off this, you must be delusional as either alignment. frankly, that's why i'm beginning to think that you're not town ![[image loading]](http://acronymsandslang.com/acronym_image/2195/bbeb0dd766521d7f14695a259118f0a7.jpg) | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: It just another thing this game, RS isn't getting lynched today. Of we entertain RS being scum (which I'm pretty sure she isn't) we have to entertain the idea that rayn is scum with how he's jumping forgetting scum reads etc. Truffle stopped playing and hasn't cared since the flip tbh, he even goes to question chez and afk. Though I think its more telling prp is doing jack shit today then trfel. So maybe pro is scum chez is town and we have a sleeper mafia Why are you pretty sure that RSoul isn't scum? Also, which scumread did Rayn forget about? I'm not following. Also, why do you bring up Trfel and Prpl both as suspicious, but then end up just on Prp/? ? | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote: yeah, try to downplay it you're trying to lynch someone who won't be lynched today while saying that you're not sure about chez' alignment ^^ hell, you won't even commit to saying that you think i'm more likely to be scum than chez despite voting me you're laying it at rayn's feet, saying that he seems to think chez is town and then you bring me up? out of the blue? this will end with chez being lynched. you're also ignoring who rayn wants to lynch, but apparently his opinion is good enough for you to sheep off chez? call it omgus all you want, but this push accomplishes nothing while looking busy and attacking a player who isn't "low-hanging fruit" well, sweetie, i just attacked hf in gaiden lol >< don't assume i'm gonna sit here and pull a palmar and go "well anyone who attacks me must be town cause they'd be insane to do it as scum" I'm not trying to downplay it, I think you're omgusing for shitty reasons. I don't have a good read on Chez. Rayn, a person I value highly and am fairly certain is town, says he's pretty sure Chez isn't scum. He brings up Trfel, but I have a reason to think Trfel isn't mafia. I don't really have one for you. This push accomplishes that more people give their opinion on you, and allows me to get a better read on you. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:19 rsoultin wrote: what do you think about truffle? you just ignored it when rayn brought it up ^^ I didn't. Read my filter. | ||
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Apparently you think I'm mafia for trying to push you when you can't be lynched today, which is a shitty reason. You also think I'm scum for it being presumably shitty reasons, which is basically OMGUS. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:25 rsoultin wrote: eh, honestly if you really don't have much an opinion on chez it doesn't much matter. i still don't like it because it looks like you're just doing something to appear productive, but if you don't have a hard townread on chez then just throwing out suspicions that won't go anywhere is whatever If you honestly think this is how I try to appear productive as mafia then our opinions on eachothers play this game are on par. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:18 Vivax wrote: I don't think there is an iteration of a scum team without a strong scum player on it (or at least that potential), so I'm not reassured by people who only have been pushing people like chez/hope/decon (I think I called rso scum for that during the night). Prp might be there too given his weak start but better followup at night, remains to be seen what he does today. I am pretty sure that ruxxar is town by now given the amount of his solemn posts. Sounds like a member of the catholic inquisition when he believes what he says. Pretty annoying thouh cause he's all hung up on Chez for not playing the way he wants. So what do you think of her now? You had a (mild?) scumread on her before which you haven't updated at all since. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:29 Vivax wrote: Btw I don't think I've ever seen Chez making these kind of posts (the long emotional ones). Artanis can you explain what made you vote chez most of all without telling me to go read the day and expecting to have the same opinion ( a la ruxxar). The biggest reason was that I had reasons for everyone else to be town. Pretty much PoE. Insert Rsoultin questioning how that's compatible with the suspicion I had on her I actually scrolled through her filter in between and found a few analyses that I was okay with, but then as the day progressed that stopped happening and I felt like there was no real drive anymore. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:36 Vivax wrote: Else I have trouble reading through her filter, whenever I walk through it every smilie thingy in a post is a lego brick I step on. So you're certain enough that everyone besides Chez and rso is town? How are you certain with Palmar? I'm not. Not certain enough by any means. I still think Trfel Prpl and Palmar can be scum too, maaybe Damdred. I'm quite sure on Rayn/You/Ruxx though. Palmar solves itself since he basically claimed blue. Either he's going to get shot or he dies at lylo. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:39 rsoultin wrote: he has shit reasons like hopeless talked to truffle therefore truffle is town why is prp town, artanis? Call it shit all you like, but I do think it holds some water. I don't think he's capable of the activity stint he did when he was being suspected a lot as mafia, but part of it was connection to Chez which I've brought up before. | ||
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On August 16 2015 00:46 rsoultin wrote: artie gives the reads i do but i'm mafia okay artie lol >< it holds no water whatsoever. the bit on prp is decent, though. it's what had me waffling on him I find it ironic that you say that my observation holds no water whilst claiming I should read you as town because your reads overlap with mine. You do realize that's not relevant at all right? | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:01 rsoultin wrote: if you're going to claim that i've had no impact on the game then come in with the same reads (kind of because for whatever reason you seem to think that you have reasons to townread other people you're suspicious of but not me lol ><)...where is your head actually at? if this is a true, good way to evaluate a player, you're scum by your own heuristic or are you claiming that you've had more of an impact on this game somehow? btw this has nothing to do with your truffle townread being weak as shit. if there's a reason to townread truffle (and there is), it's not that. it's because his town this game has been pretty light and he's not good at replicating that as scum but what you're focusing in on is hopeless talked to him? lol >< do you even realize how fake that sounds? I was the driving force behind the Deconduo lynch, however misguided it might've been. I've been more influential in the game. That we have similar reads doesn't matter shit; it matters how much we've changed the course of the game, and I'm certain I've done that a lot more than you have. Anyway, I went through Carnaval a bit and I think I picked something up. I'm not interested in pursuing you right now. As for Trfel, I was pointing out something that was on the top of my head and something I had noticed that I figured other people wouldn't. You can keep repeating that it doesn't mean anything, that's okay. You may have that opinion. | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:08 rsoultin wrote: lol your argument is that i parked on condor when it looked like hopeless was an inevitable lynch and your rally behind the spreadsheet argument that ultimately saved scum!hopeless was a bigger impact on the game and that makes you town? you're great at this artie yes, you're right ^^ i didn't push hard to save my scum buddy while not taking credit for his lynch. must be scum The strawman is strong in this one. | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:11 rsoultin wrote: >> what you found i actually lead lynches and have an impact on the game as scum, what? what? -rolls eyes- didn't i say it was obvious to anyone who has read those games that your argument was weak as shit? though kudos for bothering to actually look the game up -golf claps- who are we lynching artanis? That's not exactly what I found, but we'll see if it comes up. I'll tell you when I get there. | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:11 rsoultin wrote: lol what's a strawman? (real question, i don't know what that means o.0) I'm sure you have a functioning search engine. | ||
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On August 16 2015 01:26 ruXxar wrote: I'm confident there's minimum 1 more scum in this group: Chez Trfel Prpl Also possibly 1 scum amongst these 2. Rsoultin Artanis So you consider both Damdred and Palmar confirmed town? | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote: so rayn's case is better than hopeless spoke to truffle? @.@ what about it makes you want to switch? Like I said, I think it holds some water and makes it less likely for him to be mafia, but Rayn's case is good enough to easily overcome that. Especially the part about Trfel 'forgetting'/downgrading his scumread on RuXx in his reads post when he'd been on him before is damning. I don't think town Trfel acts like that. | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: This whole thing just makes me tear my hair out. Like 100% what Vivax has said speaks ot me about rayn, hes somewhat forgotten his ruxxar scum read during the night phase. I mean I think rux is town, but his play was really similar to last game, and the d1 vote switchto hopeless and rayn never considering rux super bussing or anything past n1 is just weird in a sense. I think hes town still at this point but it just bugs me a bit. Because Prp is more prone to just not do shit as mafia even when he needs to, which is alignment indicative. However truffle being afk isnt' as alignment indicative. Rayn said I think during the night that He wasn't going to bother lynching Ruxx anymore and just blame me if RuXx turned out scum. Later, when Hopeless flipped mafia he decided RuXx is town for being on the right wagon. He didn't forget about it. | ||
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On August 16 2015 02:47 ruXxar wrote: Chezinu is way worse in this department. The fact that prpl hesitated to vote for chezinu but jumped straight on the trfel train makes me more suspicious of him. The only two people I will lynch today is chez and purple. People hesitated to vote for chezinu? | ||
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Calling your statements ridiculous is something I never expected Trfel to say. Calling something "simply nonsense" also feels out of character. | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:22 Damdred wrote: Trfel as town has said a lot worse things about my statements before... Really? Whenever I've played with him he always seems so careful with his wording. | ||
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On June 11 2015 14:50 Trfel wrote: Pre-game excuse: The deadline isn't ideal for me. I should be able to be there for most of the deadlines (I hope), but I likely won't be able to stay and wait for the flip or post after the flip. Now look at this. On August 11 2015 05:56 Trfel wrote: This is a pre-game excuse. Absolutely damning. | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:30 ruXxar wrote: This is the most garbage argument for someone being scum that I've ever seen. I'm glad my argument regarding pre-game posts before players receive their alignments is taken with the proper respect and seriousness. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Prplhz Are you trying to get lynched? | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:40 Trfel wrote: Wait, weren't you the person with the townread on prplhz earlier? I actually really liked that read (though I guess I really ought to go check if it's true). Prplhz, please explain why you voted for me. Yes, but it was connected to Chez being scum (which I had him on due to PoE). It'd be a much weaker connection if his scum partner was someone that's doing well. I still think there's good arguments for him to be town but there's better arguments for him to be scum. | ||
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Ugh Prp looks so bad though. | ||
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On August 16 2015 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i hope you are not wrong here Artanis... Because if prplhz flips town and we lynch Trfel the next day you suddenly become #1 lynch on D4. I'm never getting lynched because I'm town and no matter what they flip that won't change. You haven't really been pushing Trfel like he's 100% either. I don't understand how you can say he won't flip town. | ||
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On August 16 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote: I'm confused why is palmar saying hes going to sheep rayn but votes against what rayn wants Uh, he's voting for Trfel? | ||
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On August 16 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: I guess I need my eyes checked? I thought it said prp oh well Not sure honestly how you can get any type of read from what Prp is doing today though Good thing we don't only have to look at today. I do hope Chez continues to play now that he's no longer getting lynched for now. | ||
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On August 16 2015 08:47 prplhz wrote: the ride never ends prpl since you're likely to die tonight could you at least share your reads as much as possible? | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:08 Trfel wrote: Please explain? Of course prplhz didn't press the idea of a non-Hopeless1der storm vote, of course he didn't seriously push it, and of course doing so doesn't incriminate him. The fact that prplhz didn't lynch Hopeless1der on Day 1 and seemed contradictory about that doesn't necessarily mean that he is scum, though it does look bad. However, from a mafia perspective, these things feel far, far worse than they look from a town perspective. I would expect prplhz to feel far worse than he looks to us, and this is likely to cause him to give up and afk. And the only post he's made this entire phase that can possibly be seen as doing something was made about one minute ago. Chezinu and prplhz both look pretty bad to me, Artanis is possibly mafia if either of the other two are town. So you liked my argument for Chez and Prpl not being scum together. Then you think they're both scum. Then you think in the case of one of them not being scum, I'm scum. What? | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:17 Trfel wrote: Your argument was flawed. I liked it initially, but it's possible that prplhz simply had a little more motivation than expected, or that he's mafia with someone else (like you). They both seem scummy, and I don't see much reason to think that they aren't scum together. I can't imagine that you wouldn't have thought of the argument of prplhz simply having a bit more motivation than expected as you read the argument unless you were not using any critical thinking whatsoever. | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:21 Trfel wrote: The argument made more sense at the time, when prplhz was putting in that effort. That was very plausible and the most believable explanation. Due to the effort dropping off, it makes more sense that he simply had more motivation and then lost it when Hopeless1der flipped. This makes much more sense considering how much he tied himself to Hopeless1der and how useless/not present he's been today. You have been similarily useless/not present today though. Also, I don't think there was ever a chance Hopeless wasn't getting stormed last night and I'm pretty sure prplhz knew that so I don't really buy that as an explanation. | ||
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On August 16 2015 11:26 Damdred wrote: It was a good lynch imo. I think the list is pretty small who scum can be tbh. Rayn, vivax, rsoul are my top towns Prp is sorta safe tommorow was the counter wagon pushed by scum but that's a bit wifom, godfather could be the important role but I wouldn't lynch him the game could still be hard but I've played bad mostly so yeah Rux is town 99% sure chez is probably maybe sorta town...idk if this clears him since he does bus as scum but he did help not do a no lynch. Palmar town, I don't see scum palmar just sheeping two lynches on scjm buddy art is my main concern tbh I had a tr but so much going back and forth might would check him. Just to be safe Fuck you, I would've afked on Prpl all day if I were mafia. Why would I doubt a ton then stick on the GF? That makes no sense. | ||
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On August 16 2015 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of Damdred and rsoultin need to start towntelling if they are town. Both of them have been wrong on both lynches. Both of them have ignored what i have said and i don't like it. Damdred looks a tiny bit better because he was actually arguing against me with real arguments instead of just agreeing with me then doing the opposite like rsoultin.... Dick move analysis suggests Damdred is town because I don't think he would've faked such a hissy fit as he did. | ||
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On August 16 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: such a scummy breakfast. coffee and cigarette. :p You're not going to live past 40. | ||
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People I will 100% never ever lynch: Raynpelikoneet - Should be obvious. Tried leading a lynch on two mafia on both days, very (inter)active, etc. RuXxar - Absolutely town in tone, cares way too much, has been right on both days. People I will 99% not lynch: Vivax - Day 1 Vivax looked really town, and he hopped on the right wagons on both days. What does worry me is that he's fallen off since then and hasn't posted as much and that's typically scum Vivax, but I just don't think Vivax would vote Trfel when coming back if he were mafia because I don't think he'd go for the long long game. That's my starting point. | ||
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Rsoultin definitely is my biggest suspect. Wrong wagons both lynches, and she hasn't really felt invested into the game. The last game she played was also a mafia game where she survived through LYLO and I know how draining that is which leads me to correlate that to this game. | ||
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On August 16 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i am. I am like 95% sure of it unless he just decided to literally troll all game and claim mafia over and over again (the GF Trfel shit N1). But his rant when being close to lynched does not support that so... yes, i am definitely sure he is town. Okay, then it basically has to be Rsoul unless Damdred put on grand opera for the first time as scum. | ||
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Not a single person has voted for you yet and you have 3 pages of filter by Night 2. That has to be a massive anomaly these days. | ||
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On August 16 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: artanis do the train please? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vk2Xdgx.png) | ||
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On August 16 2015 20:44 rsoultin wrote: lol lynch me damdy's not scum neither am i, but until i'm out of the game the big bad smartypants who think being wrong = scum won't reevaluate so Strawman alert | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:04 rsoultin wrote: eh artie i don't know what you're about really when i'm not even making an argument? I'm on a holy quest to point out all your strawmen until you stop making strawman arguments. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:06 rsoultin wrote: can't be a strawman if it's not an argument are you gonna do something useful? I already did. I want to lynch you, then lynch Damdred if you're not mafia. A better question is; when are you going to? | ||
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I presume I'll be NKed by that point already. And we'll see by that time. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:10 rsoultin wrote: tell me why i should bother putting the work in when y'all won't listen to me? you'll lynch me anyway, i'll waste a ton of time yelling, and then you'll ignore what i say because "she just played badly this game" whatever -_- Simple: If you're not mafia, you can find the last mafia and then we lynch that person. Or you can go and be an emo after contributing fuck all to the game and get lynched. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:12 rsoultin wrote: lol >< considering final scum is prob you or palmar...outside chance of chez we'll see If you really think I can be mafia this game you have no clue how to read me. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:15 rsoultin wrote: see i know when i'm dealing with tunnels, and you're either tunneled or you have a vested interest in appearing so i know better than to think that a lynch rayn and art are both screaming for based on rather poor assumptions is going to go through. and yeah, i could fight it and probably even get out of it, if we're being honest, cause i'm good at that. but honestly? saying i've contributed nothing to this game doesn't really make me inclined to continue to waste my breath This post makes me think you're mafia even more. If you believe I'm likely to be mafia, the fact that I'm tunneling you and saying you contributed nothing should make you motivated to catch me, especially given that town lynched two mafia already. The fact that you're not leads me to believe you already know that I'm town which is the real reason for your demotivation; your scumteam fell apart, you look terrible and you don't have any kind of foothold. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:20 rsoultin wrote: lol >< my lack of motivation stems from a certain argument and things that have nothing to do with this game, which is funny because it was part of your original "scumread" that you now seem to have forgotten? What part; the commenting on the game without really doing anything? That's still part of my argument. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote: lol >< i love this story. i really do "rsoul is demotivated" somehow she got demotivated well before the truffle lynch, but her demotivation is definitely related to it keep telling it to yourself and blame me for the mislynch. i'm fine with that. i was wrong enough i deserve it, really, but it still doesn't change my role pm, and changing y'all's scumreads, taking shit out of context and pretending like i didn't stop really playing long before truffle was lynched or even was one of the wagons to suit your little convenient scum world also doesn't change my role pm i know i've played like shit. lynch me and be done with it Or you're, you know, demotivated because you rolled scum again after rolling scum last game where you had to work for it all the way into and including lylo. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: ... are you seriously this obtuse? i was town that game. keep selling the lies damnit does no one even see this shit? >< I was talking about Carnaval, the last game in the database. I just noticed from your profile page you've played one game in between though, didn't know that. | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:51 rsoultin wrote: -_- ye, you fucking know i was town, you fucking know i was in lylo, we talk on skype, you fucking know that onegu and i just won after lynching obi, while onegu trolled me for nearly two days bs lynch artie when i'm dead, rayn. promise >< Are you really saying that as mafia I'm trying to bury you by attempting to sell a story that can verifiably be shown to be false? And then you call me tunneled? | ||
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On August 16 2015 21:55 rsoultin wrote: i'm saying you're throwing anything at me you can to try to make it stick ^^ the demotivated bit doesn't work for the truffle lynch? now you have to find a reason for me to be generally demotivated that makes me scum I don't have to do anything, half the game already thinks you're scum. I actually thought the last game you played was the one that was in the database because that's how my memory works; only when I actually think about stuff that I know I've done will I remember things. Also, both the mafia game still being fairly recent and long as well as both teammates not doing well in general can be demotivating, I'm sure. Plus it's just an addition to the fact that you haven't done anything this game. | ||
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On August 16 2015 22:00 rsoultin wrote: yeah you didn't read my profile cause 1. there are actually two games in there since carnaval 2. it's still missing the one i just finished rekt! Congratulations: You've proved I didn't check your profile until just a minute ago and that I have shitty memory. | ||
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On August 16 2015 22:05 rsoultin wrote: nope i proved you didn't check it even when you said you did. just scrambling to cover your ass ^^ if you're town you shouldn't feel the need to. wrong is wrong, oops. lying about reading my profile is something only guilty consciences do I just checked it again and I just noticed there's a big space and then there's a Q3. I missed that the first time I checked it. I guess that definitely makes me mafia! | ||
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On August 16 2015 22:16 ruXxar wrote: I agree that your townread on me saved my ass. But artanis also had a really really strong town read on me. Its why I said it was weird that people were townreading me when the easy way out for scum is to lynch me. Im not surprised that you and damdred town read me, because you know my meta. I was really surprised by the artanis town read on me though. It was so strong, and it felt really off. I didn't believe the way you played made sense for scum at all, and tonally it just wasn't the way scum acts. I wasn't involved in the argument so it was easy to have an unbiased view on it. I'm not sure how that feels off. On August 16 2015 22:17 rsoultin wrote: art is scum because he directed a lynch off mafia, is crawling up rayn's ass as far as he can, keeps throwing things at me that deliberately misrepresent me (my word against his, i know, but once i flip you'll know it's the truth; he knew i was in that game), and because he switched back over to truffle when the writing was on the wall lol >< why doesn't scum who is present buss their scummate when they've got lord knows how many mislynches they have to get to win? y'all are stupid to be looking at the prp wagon at all unless the player was afk during the lynch palmar is just obviously scum if he's not blue. that'll play out soon enough but i really think if you lynch art you hit scum here Directing a lynch off mafia doesn't make someone mafia. It just makes them wrong. "Crawling up rayn's ass" also does not make someone mafia. I think Rayn is very town and I trusted his reads in this instance. "keeps throwing things at me that deliberately misrepresent me" - Nope. Just shitty memory. I believe that we've talked about it and I vaguely remember it, but when I went to look at your latest game I went to the database and took my info from that. " because he switched back over to truffle when the writing was on the wall" What? I could easily have switched to prplhz and guarantee his lynch. I waffled so hard it would've been to no one's surprise whatsoever, and I don't play scum for the lategame ever. I always go for the fastest win possible because fuck playing scum. I was a major deciding vote in getting Trfel lynched and if I had switched over to prpl he was likely to die. Your case is shit. | ||
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On August 16 2015 22:27 rsoultin wrote: wrong is wrong...could be wrong, could be scum buddying is a thing...you can have a townread without playing kissass yeah try to back out of it wifom wifom wifom if y'all don't lynch artanis before the game is over i'm beating you all with wet noodles >< maybe even something harder lol ^^ So basically you've got no arguments left and now you're just yelling. I gotcha. | ||
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On August 16 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote: nope ^^ you're still scum, my arguments are still awesome, and if town is smart they'll lynch you once i'm dead Your arguments are all refuted, you have literally nothing. Pls go die asaply. | ||
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Demonstrably refuted since all you could say is "it could be scum" "wifom" and "back out of it". One: It could also be town, plus I've been more right than you are so that should apply more to you than to me. Does not make me mafia. Two: Town can and does buddy just as hard as mafia does. Does not make me mafia. Three: Says absolutely nothing. Does not make me mafia. Four: "Wifom" says nothing. Does not make me mafia. Nothing you've said even approaches a case. | ||
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On August 16 2015 22:37 rsoultin wrote: nothing you said refutes it. all you've said is why it could come from town newsflash anyone can do that, pretty ^^ by your standards i've already refuted your case. guess that means i can't be scum and can never be lynched! yay! lynch artanis The fact that you acknowledge it can all come from town yet still tout your lynch Artanis train with such confidence and certainty speaks volumes about your alignment. You're doing the same thing you've accused me of; tunneling. | ||
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On August 17 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote: I'll throw one quote in here to make a point and then everything else you have to start fact checking as its mostly from,memory. So early on I had a town read on attains just for genera activity and,how,he handled the game to a point. Everything was fine there was this point when I had this eh feeling and that first moment was when art came,out of,no,where and,hard town read Ruxx. Ruxx early is super hard to town read if you haven't really experienced his town gamer in action but Art shows no hesitation but is willing to sheep rayn on almost anyone else. Ita a really strange hard read when ruxx wasn't making sense at that point. His. Play. Didn't. Make. Any. Sense. For. Scum. This is not how scum act. I'm sorry that I'm good I guess? You can lynch me for that but you'll have to erect a statue for me afterwards telling the world how I died for your sins of not being as good as me. Now,moving on the next thing that bothered me,was how,he eliminated condor from his lynch pool. He just asked him to,be useful,and do things and he hadn't really done anything of note to that point. But he ignores him up until this post, Read it, I didn't really pay,much attention to,this post. Art admits to still having a town read on condor but insist that because no one else town reads him it's worth a vote. Tay has better reasoning Han that and that's just bad. And look at the timing people aren't sure I'd they want to lynch hopeless and we are thinking and art shows up with easy target condor. I wanted to pull a Ver, basically. I've heard Ver talk about reading between the lines and that's what I tried to do right there. I felt that everyone softpushing Decon but with a wagon failing to come out of the ground I figured he was likely to be scum because of general thread sentiment. Apparently, I misapplied it. Furthermore, if you think as scum I make a spreadsheet of everyone's reads, indicate myself as green on Deconduo and THEN try to get a wagon started on him I don't know what to say. Yell WIFOM all you want, it's just suicidal to do as scum. So we lynch condor and move into the night, travel had a suspicion on art and I asked him early that day if he would,of lynched art but never acts on it and basically forgets about,the read on art during that day voting with him. And never questioning him past that point fixing him light suspicion. Can't really comment on Trfel's actions. I can read through them again though. Now fast forward towards the chez/prp/travel Art is fine with lynching,chez. Jumps to,travel,with everyone sleeping a good post by rayn but the first sign of a jump to prp he follows and it is only after rayn threatens him with a d4 lynch he jumps back and refuses to move. I was consistently doubting all the way before going to bed. I could easily have switched to prp and gotten away with it. I don't play for the long game since I fucking hate playing scum. I would've saved Trfel all day every day and you can call wifom on that as you like but it's true. Now art is using a Poe that could,potentially lose the game, is only co,tent with pushing scum on myself and Rs without evaluating the rest of,the game,like he,normally would. He also pushes Rs almost into a tilt,instead of trying to get her to work with him and prove he's town. Really aggro. I think,it a a food,chance he's scum. And sorry if,it's hard to read on phone. I wanted to go through everyone with Rayn but Rayn wanted to focus on just the people I think are mafia, and so I did. Eh. I think one of you and Rsoul is likely mafia. I actually changed my mind about Vivax being so certainly town because his vote as mentioned did bring things into a tiebreaker and he's been very absent the last few days. It's possible he's scum too. I don't think anyone else is. As for pushing Rsoul, I still think she's the most likely to flip scum. Besides, she's an r-soul so there's a certain enjoyment in pushing her anyway. | ||
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On August 17 2015 06:33 Damdred wrote: You were third to the party on town reading ruxx though so,no no statue this time. This part doesn't make sense you hard town read Rux so,he doesn't get lynched because his play doesn't keep sense,etc. But then you still start a wagon on town,because of,thread sentiment? I don't believe it when,ruxx had thread sentiment,and you did the opposite. Don't lie about the long game, in imperial you played for,the super,long game and our dead in the water team,mates we hit them with a huge bus. Rs is town I believe and she will probably be lynched here hut your actions don't make a lot of,sense. And vivax vote matters less than its being,made out to,be since we had a decent amount of,time to make a lynch still I'm pretty sure I was the first to be so vocal about it though, and for the right reasons. Because people actually tried to lynch Ruxx, which never happened for Deconduo until I did it. Trfel wasn't dead in the water and I wasn't the sole player there. Both you and Marv were around and I really didn't want to bus either one of you. I mass spammed marv to keep trying. | ||
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On August 17 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: Well even by your own logic there it can be said that you did try to save hopeless for another day and he just didn't play past there if you are scum. I give it to you the games are different but I still see some of,the same,things in you here and there. No matter what way you try to,turn it is that you started a wagon on your to an read for a convoluted reason that looks insanely scum,motivated in retrospect. And travel was a bit dead in the water meh...a small bit because of lack of cares Yes, I hardpushed town over mafia. Yes, I've done that as mafia before. Guess what, I can do it as town too and it doesn't make me mafia by any means. I also think that the way I did it I'd never do as mafia whatsoever precisely because it looks so bad. Yes, you can call WIFOM on that argument but not doing so in the first place is always going to be better than doing it then trying to get towncred by an argument that's just going to be called out as wifom. Trfel really could've easily been saved another day, and there's no way I wouldn't have if I was mafia. As for the Trfel scumreading me but not pushing me; on D2 he did the same on you. He called out both you, me and Chez iirc and didn't prioritize one or the other. | ||
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On August 17 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote: You didn't just push town over mafia though, being wrong doesn't make you scum. Pushing a town read because of,convoluted reasoning that does have scum,motivation. But if you are scum you had the town cred to do it and,more town cred lynching ark !trfel Which btw I believe both scum hard town read Rs trfel read her town for,petty bad reasoning what do you think of that I honestly am starting to think you're the mafia because I really don't think you can believe that I'd make that reason up as mafia. Like seriously Dammy, if you're town think about this. | ||
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On August 17 2015 07:02 Damdred wrote: I am thinking about it that's why ,I changed the topic. And no I have caught you as mafia for poor reasoning,before so yeah.Poor reasoning =/= townreading someone, posting it in a spreadsheet and pushing them in the same post. Come on man. As for both mafia townreading Rsoul for bad reasons; Hopeless didn't give any reasons at all, just put her in a townlist. Trfel's last mention of Rsoultin was On August 14 2015 15:16 Trfel wrote: Maybe Chezinu, depending on what he does next. Maybe prplhz, I need to read his filter again tomorrow. Maybe rsoultin? I've kind of been ignoring her? I need to take a closer look at what ruXxar's saying. Artanis is looking a bit better, but I'm still concerned..... Same with Damdred. I don't really feel like filter diving tonight. So I wouldn't really say he was townreading her. | ||
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On August 17 2015 07:08 ruXxar wrote: Artie, can you explain why Decon is scum due to thread sentiment? I don't understand the argument. Why does the fact that people call Decon scum but no train start on him mean that he's scum? Because it's hard for scum to completely fake reads against what they feel is obvious. If someone were scum with Deconduo and sees him post the way he did, they'd probably think they can't possibly defend him so instead they scumread him, but scumread someone else harder and push that person. I feel it's a common way for mafia to play because mafia rarely hard defend eachother. I saw smoke, I figured that smoke = fire. In this case, that was false. | ||
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On August 17 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote: And honestly art most of your replies to,me are basically wifom with how you handled the,lynch which is,sorta annoying,to a degree. I don't get why the same rationale,didn't fit Rux though a lot,of,the thread scum read him and town read rayn and vivax pushed him... it just feels such a a different approach to,similar situations Perhaps it's wifom, but question yourself if the wifom argument is really worth it vs just not doing it at all. If I were scum and I was planning on pushing Deconduo I could do a lot better than that I did and in a way that wouldn't haunt me as much. That's just a fact really. People had hard opinions on Rux. People didn't have hard opinions on Dec. That's the main crux here. | ||
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On August 17 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote: Who did the scum team scum read harder and push? Well, Hopeless was afk and Trfel pushed RuX. | ||
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On August 17 2015 07:33 Vivax wrote: Latest posts by arty are quite townie. Please don't try to pocket me now Vivax, I might have to jump into your arms | ||
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On August 17 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote: You guys should all read trfels filter and see how he interacts with the people. It's quite short. I'm feeling better about rsoul being town reading it. Mm, I already forgot about Trfel's early townread on her. Does feel likely that it isn't scum-scum, meh. | ||
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On August 17 2015 08:14 ruXxar wrote: Kinda hard on a phone, but I'll take a look. You're going to find one mention calling him a maybe until EoD D2, then he suddenly goes ham after reading his filter for 9 minutes. | ||
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On August 17 2015 08:30 Damdred wrote: Art how could you forget trfels super early tr on Rs for bad reasons when I just pointed it out q.q I looked at the last thing he said because it felt like the most relevant thing to look at. | ||
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Ah well. Checked the GF, lynched him anyway. I'm satisfied. | ||
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On August 17 2015 13:36 geript wrote: Yes, but Cop/Vigi is really, really strong for town. Framer always has very low odds of hitting the cop check; mainly because you have to have a read on the cop and who they'll check. Actual frames are very rare. Since town got a Martyr as well (which is balanced "medic" role imo for minis), it's hard to say cop was underpowered. But it doesn't matter because with a godfather/framer alive (and framer frames their own mafia players 99% of the time) I will never check mafia. It makes all my checks 100% unreliable which is really not strong at all. | ||
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On August 17 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh lol you had a green on Trfel. Thanks for trusting my case. ^_^ hey scum, the next time you should probably ask if the hurricane kills pierce. I kinda fucked up on D1. Reading the OP is a useful talent toi have. That's why I put so much stock on that hopeless thing. That was basically the weight I gave my green check ^^ | ||
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On August 17 2015 14:58 ruXxar wrote: With another green check from Artie and the GF already dead, you would've made it really really far IMO. I actually decided to check prlplhz last minute so that would've been bad for her. I was planning on claiming tracker and saying prpl didn't follow anyone to both clear him and try and provoke a hurricane shot. | ||
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Rayn, you doubting me hurted | ||
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On August 17 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk, it's like... people have become way more townie than they used to be when they are town. Obviously there are some exceptions but generally it's really easy to tell ~60% of the game is town fairly early on. Like Vivax also deserves a lot of credit in this game. He was super townie from the beginning, i have never seen him like that and have never had this easy time reading him. Not only that he was right alot. Huge props. ruxxar gave me a headache... Ruxxar was an easy read tonewise. Sometimes you have to look past inconsistencies and just look at the motivations  | ||
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On August 17 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah if i did that we had never lynched Trfel. Different players, different expectations. | ||
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