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@TickTock the reason why everyone else is maintaining their reads on TJH is because he hasn't said almost anything in the last three days. A lot of town players scum read him, then he went away. You're the only one who has been switching it up so much. The only actual reason you have for switching your vote is that he promised "important information". You read it as him softing blue, but I don't buy that. It could mean any number of things. And it isn't really that your 'read' has changed, it's more that you keep saying he is "scummy" but asking people to imagine worlds where he isn't scum.
And your read on Scott has been similarly all over the map. As far as I can see your only reason for town reading him is that he posted that vote count block with the Sulfurus wagon in green. Except he WASNT the first person to say that. N00b and HTS both either said it or heavily implied it, as did KSC. It was hardly the keen insight you make it out to be (and it's another of your half-truths, which are becoming irksome).
You have made reads on other people, I agree. I actually like your case on SW (whose filter I am pretty meh on. My comments on his first two incredibly poor posts aside, I thought he had done a fair enough job for a new player. However I totally accept that I could be giving him a pass on that basis alone, so I will re-read his filter next).
Overall I would describe your posting as going at 100kph in a 40kph zone. You're shifting your reads on AFK players based on tiny shreds of evidence, or on nothing at all. You also were "reluctant" to town read me at first for no real reason, then you later moved on to say that the entire Sulfurus wagon was pure, again with no new evidence whatsoever.
Look, you're a strong player. So I know you won't get offended when I say that I just don't like your approach to this game. If you're town, then clearly we just view the game differently. But I am inclined to continue to scum read you.
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Also, re my seven points on TJH, I actually did write them down on a piece of paper. Stupidly I didn't bring it when I left the office. However, the one that hasn't been said before I don't think is that in his first post he said he was an incredibly strong player and liked to pick up on and tunnel on small logical inconsistencies. He was right, he did nitpick at Grokken's first post and at my getting a bit shirty with Moosy. But when it came to it, he didn't take either of those reads anywhere and he basically coasted through D1.
Oh, and something I just thought of - HTS' case on Sulfurus was incredibly strong. I'm ashamed of myself now for not spotting what she did, because it was incredibly chronic. I really need to go back to D1 and look at who had the chance to read and consider the wagon, but decided to go elsewhere. Because either they are misguided town or scum.
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... And to nobodies surprise, it looks like the only person to post in between HTS making her utterly unassailable post on Sulfurus and the EOD was ... Wait for it ... TJH.
For someone who claims to be the greatest player ever to descend from heaven and treat us to his presence, he missed an absolute gimme. I don't buy it. I think he's scum and we will be lynching him next.
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Back to TT, you said in your last post that it bugged you that nobody was making a case on TJH. Did you not see n00b's saga-length post on that? Apart from that being exactly the thing that you were lamenting didn't exist, it's also very comprehensive. This game simply isn't long enough for there to be *that* much to go on. And TJH isn't even posting. What are we going to do, give hourly reports on how his lurking is making us feel? No. He was scummy, and cases were made on him. Now he's AFK and those cases still stand as they did.
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In short, and to butcher an excellent Al Franken line, your biography in this game should be titled "half-truths and the half truth tellers who tell them."
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I should really vote now, just to make sure the blocs start forming early so we can do more VCA.
##Vote: TJHuggins
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Okay. I just read SW's filter. I need to go back and check WP's filter now, because I have this weird sense that those two have basically been saying the same thing as each other all game. To the archives!
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I guess the good thing about this particular tunnel I'm in at the moment is that it's so short, but SW and WP have literally not interacted at all in any meaningful way.
SW doesn't say anything about WP at all (except to list him as neutral in his reads list). WP does touch on SW in his 'mega' post, but it all ends up nowhere. Later, when responding to a point that Scott made on SW, WP deflects it back into a, now that I think about it, extremely contorted point (I can't c&p on my phone, but basically Scott pointed out something SW said and WP said "oh so you're saying now we should lynch you."
It makes perfect sense for a newbie scum pairing to interact like they are.
Also, neither of them have really contributed much by way of original thought (it has almost all been parroting), and both of them have filters shorter than one page.
I need one of my town homies to give my thinking a critical look though. Given that I'm now basically scum reading five players (TJH, TT, WP, SW and Scott (Scott because I never forgive lurkers, and because he has been useless)), I've clearly gone quite clearly wrong somewhere.
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These 3 players have still not yet denied the roleblock: TJ, Scott, silentwarrior
I believe SW has not posted since the Phase began.
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Ugh, halfway through this Day phase and nothing new to really discuss.
Someone help me lynch SW or Scott...
Or at least talk about something other than TJ not being around still.
Like I really feel like we are wasting the day right now.
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And yes Fidei I did see n00bs large post on TJ. I also see that you are taking the time to consider other possibilities.
Lynching TJ today is not a waste, but if he ends up flipping town then what have we actually learned today?
Hell even if he flips scum are we any closer to identifying his teammate after today?
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On July 18 2015 07:08 Tictock wrote:
Someone help me lynch SW or Scott...
Hello Ticktock. I want to play a game.
Let's imagine you're a 1-shot Daytime Vigilante. Your shot can only be used on Day 3, so you didn't fire on Days 1 or 2. Your shot needs to be fired within the next 30 minutes of when I'm posting this, let's say. Otherwise it is forfeit.
In this scenario, would you be willing to shoot either SW or Scott, without them making another post? And if so, which one?
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Yea, I'd shoot scott.
Between the 2 of them SW has actually engaged in the thread a little. Scott has only dropped in to make a post or two then buggered off, there is zero evidence of his reads evolving based on the game, where as SW actually put some effort into his large post about Ghandi and had pinged him out before that case.
Assuming the follow up question is why I am voting SW over scott... I want people to consider other players who have not already been talked about by almost everyone, also I want him to answer the questions I posed to him.
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If TJHuggins does not speak up, I am fine with lynching him. Because medic and that Day 1 lynch bought us so much time, we can spare ourselves this if it turns out that TJHuggins was a townie.
From there the logical step would be to look at associations (looking at you n00bKing) and then finding out whether or not we should lynch silentwarrior/Grokken/scott. I couldn't get the chance to look at WonnaPlay's posts and compare it to other's points so I'll do that now.
I'm getting feels about Fidei86/Tictock so I'll look at that too although I don't know if I'll share exactly what I'm thinking right now.
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This is a bit prissy of me and it may be annoying for some but can we please use full names rather than abbreviations? tbh I keep on reading WP as "well played" because of "gg wp" and I'm misreading other abbreviations left and right.
Not to mention "MD" gets on my nerves because I'm not even a doctor. I'm fine with people using "Moosy" and even misspelling it as "Mossy" or something.
Thanks in advance.
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Huh. After reading through WonnaPlay's filter he's either your classic newbie scum or your classic earnest town. I dislike basically all of his voting and his scum reads but I'm still getting a newbie townie vibe from him. I'll reconsider him but I'm not going to think too much into this yet since I'm still waiting on TJHuggins and we get a wealth of information from his lynch if he doesn't defend himself.
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WonnaPlay are you there? I wish to give you an assignment.
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Sorry, for being away so much, been really busy. Will anser what TT wrote about me now.
On July 17 2015 13:31 Tictock wrote:
Actually, SW you should tell us why you think TJ is scum.
His behavior after vote and his writing sulf as second scum list directly after he was tagged.
On July 17 2015 13:31 Tictock wrote:A quick browse of your one page filter shows me that this is your initial read on TJ Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
I also lean town on TJHuggins, since he posted that sulfurus was his second on scum list. This was also before any of the voting began, though after sulfurus posted that super scummy post and was tagged for it by Half the sky. Still a good townlean for me.
Then on D2 when TJ is being pushed by most of the thread you post this. Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 04:35 silentwarrior wrote:
Scumlean:
scott31337
TJHuggins
Probably scum:
GhandiEAGLE You never mentioned TJ in between those 2 posts. What changed your read?
This is just a complete lie. I did mention him again and my change of opinon of him is stated there.
On July 18 2015 01:01 Tictock wrote:
SW's D1 play. He comes into the game and in the space of 10 min makes his only reads of the day. He then solo votes based on those reads almost 24 hours later without really commenting on the rest of the game.
At the time I was voting it was not a solovote, which I have also said before.
On July 18 2015 01:01 Tictock wrote:
[ Since I replaced in SW has completely ignored me. If he thought NHM was scummy enough to solo vote D1 why is he not even trying to get a read on me? I literally show up twice in SW's filter, once when he posts a list and my slot is suddenly neutral and once when he directly responds to a post from me.
The scummiest thing I had on d1 was NHM strange vote without much further explanation. I then thought GhandiEagle was much more possible scum than others and focused my attention on him.
On July 18 2015 01:01 Tictock wrote:
This point me be a little more neutral, but it fits with the "following thread sentiment" notion.
SW's biggest post was his case on Ghandi, however his "case" came well after I had been pinging out Ghandi most of the day and HtS posted a large case on Ghandi as well. Check where this post came in terms of thread sentiment against ghandi.
This is also incorrect. I tagged GhandiEagle right after he made that strange comment about scott being town. My big case came later, but I was on to him before you were, and I also said I would analyze him more.
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Oh, also, I wasn't roleblocked (why don't we just let the one who was roleblocked say this?)
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Gonna make a filterdive on TJH now.
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