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On July 18 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
This is just a complete lie. I did mention him again and my change of opinon of him is stated there.
Where? Show me that post, I have looked through your filter and failed to find and mention of TJ between those 2 posts I quoted.
Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 01:01 Tictock wrote:
This point me be a little more neutral, but it fits with the "following thread sentiment" notion.
SW's biggest post was his case on Ghandi, however his "case" came well after I had been pinging out Ghandi most of the day and HtS posted a large case on Ghandi as well. Check where this post came in terms of thread sentiment against ghandi.
This is also incorrect. I tagged GhandiEagle right after he made that strange comment about scott being town. My big case came later, but I was on to him before you were, and I also said I would analyze him more.
I saw that post, pretty sure I mentioned it in that case on you as well. I even stated that that point was sorta weak and that was part of why.
I'd also like you to give us your thoughts on WP.
I know I know, I'm a demanding A-hole.
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On July 18 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
WonnaPlay are you there? I wish to give you an assignment.
You should just say what you want from him, if you wait till you both are around the thread at the same time... Well that may never even happen.
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On July 18 2015 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
WonnaPlay are you there? I wish to give you an assignment. You should just say what you want from him, if you wait till you both are around the thread at the same time... Well that may never even happen.
Well then.
@WonnaPlay, take a look at silentwarrior/Grokken/scott31337's filters and make a list of points for each on why you think they're suspicious. Doesn't have to be super in depth just a list of things that you disliked or liked and place a read like "town" or "scum" on each.
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@Half the Sky, what do you think of Fidei86 vs Tictock? I'm interested in your opinion on it. I would ask n00bKing but I trust your reads more while I trust n00bKing more for his association cases.
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Huh, just noticed this...
On July 18 2015 07:25 TJHuggins wrote:
##Vote: silentwarrior
TJ made this vote about 2 hours ago.
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On July 18 2015 09:17 Tictock wrote:Huh, just noticed this... TJ made this vote about 2 hours ago.
And without giving us the "critical information" or trying to defend himself. Either he's lazy, doesn't want to play this game, doesn't know how to defend himself, or is Mafia trying to desperately skate by and hoping for a quick wagon change in lynch votes.
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Yea idk what the hell to make of that.
TJ's play this game past D1 as either alignment is pure shit.
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Ok, so here is my analysation of TJH.
On July 11 2015 11:06 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 07:29 Fidei86 wrote:On July 11 2015 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:
YAY confirmed town <3 If only posting first did somehow make you confirmed town. That would sure make this game a lot easier  So that everyone knows, the only players I know in the game are scott and NHM. I tunnelled scott pretty hard in the game we played together (Holy Guardians) but he was actually town. I null read NHM in HGand he was mafia, then town read him in Himalayas and he was town. I've also chatted a fair bit to HTS, but I don't know how she plays mafia. Yo I have no clue wtf those acronyms mean can u put like Nydushermain (NHM) the first time you use an acronym so I can understand what you're talking about? Who is HTS? On a game note, I think it's pretty good if we all say like what our mafia background 1) I don't know anyone except for nydus and 2) i always judge my reads on people against a background of their experience (e.g. easier to read someone new to mafia based on little things they do). I have played video mafia on DailyMafia for almost two years and have never played forum mafia before. I am basically a god. I am in a clan called the elo angels because im so good and my elo is so high. My day job involves working with and for lawyers every day so i think about thinks pretty logically and might write formally at some points based on my mood. In video mafia I usually pick up on and push on (sometimes minor) logical inconsistencies and ive noticed ive been tunnelling a bit too hard lately so that may happen this game. My only read so far is that Half the Sky is spamming. [purple]Also it allowed if i just put every post I type in purple so taht you guys always know its me?[/purple]
Ok, so the first thing probably anyone noticed with TJH intro post was that he was super arrogant. He calls himself a god, says that he has such a high elo that he is in a clan, and actually wants an unque colour so that we know that it's him. This might now be that indictive of alignment, but was really strange to see on a post first time.
On July 12 2015 01:49 TJHuggins wrote:My initial reads so far is that i am town leaning on Fidei. I like the things he said in relation to spamming, and I think that him relating the perspective to a previous game where he was town feels like he's looking at the game from the perspective of a town. When he responded to HTS regarding talking about anti-spam being easy, he seems genuine. Or maybe it's just because I like his writing. No clue. My initial scum read is Grokken. It's nothing all that strong but I'm getting a wierd feeling about the things he's posted. To me it feels like he is trying to find ways to participate and seem town by chiming in now and again but really has no clue what to write about. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 09:36 Grokken wrote:On July 11 2015 09:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My blood sense is telling me to lynch everyone who knows what theyre doing We should listen to this guy, he seems to know what he is doing. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 13:27 Grokken wrote:On July 11 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
Hi, back home. You guys are fucking boring me.
##Vote: Fidei
I don't like the way this guy posts early Can you elaborate on this? What in particular is it that you don't like? I think that one sentence posts that appear to contribute to the game and don't really offer anything just kind of irk me the wrong way. I guess it's worth noting he did write that thing about Dota as well which was also one sentence but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the game I think. When I went back and read the post about him showing off his dota stats that actually reads to me a bit more towny now that I think about it, so not really sure. just an initial read.
So he says his first scumread is grokken. Now, this was just after grokken had a few posts, so there wasn't really that much to go on. He says he gets a weird feeling about him and that he chimes in without helping town. His second quoted post of grokken was simply him wanting to know about NHM, which a lot of people probably found puzzling. Yet he sees this as not contributing, when to me it is the opposite. But later in his post he seems to back of his assesment of him, because of some dota posts grokken made. Most of the time the ones that are insecure enough to back down from a scumread on the same post are mafia, as they always want to seem town but not stir too much up.
On July 12 2015 03:10 TJHuggins wrote:
I agree that it was grokken's town prodding question that got me suspicious of him in the first place.
He later states that the town prodding question (with NHM i guess) was the one that made him suspicipus of grokken in the first place. But what was wrong with that really? Wanting a clarification on a vote only helps town.
On July 12 2015 09:57 TJHuggins wrote:I agree with most about what has been said about Moosy. I'm trying to read this game similar to how I would read someone in video mafia (whether or not that is going to work remains to be seen). One way people often get on my "radar" if you will is by dropping sort of key phrases or acting in a certain way after being called out. In my first few months of playing, sometimes this scenario would happen: A particular player, who may be lurking, or just doesn't sound the same (voice tone, pattern, activeness, etc.) would get pinged out by another player who would say that they "feel different this game" or ask "why they're not playing the same as X game they played with them in." In some of these cases, the person would respond back by saying some variation of the phrase "I'm trying to switch up my play this game" or "I'm trying something new this game." I started to realize that when someone came back with this response most of the time they ended up being a mafia trying to cover up for there change in playstyle due to the change in alignment, or sometimes it was just an excuse to lurk e.g. "I'm going to try to sit back and listen and try to get town reads this game instead of trying to pressure the mafia to see how it works." I got a similar feeling looking back at what Moosy said (the quote that many have already noted), though I'll admit I didn't catch it the first time. One thing that I did catch, which I thought was kind of odd, is the quote below, though I'm not quite sure what it means yet. Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 02:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 12 2015 01:49 TJHuggins wrote:My initial reads so far is that i am town leaning on Fidei. I like the things he said in relation to spamming, and I think that him relating the perspective to a previous game where he was town feels like he's looking at the game from the perspective of a town. When he responded to HTS regarding talking about anti-spam being easy, he seems genuine. Or maybe it's just because I like his writing. No clue. My initial scum read is Grokken. It's nothing all that strong but I'm getting a wierd feeling about the things he's posted. To me it feels like he is trying to find ways to participate and seem town by chiming in now and again but really has no clue what to write about. On July 11 2015 09:36 Grokken wrote:On July 11 2015 09:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My blood sense is telling me to lynch everyone who knows what theyre doing We should listen to this guy, he seems to know what he is doing. On July 11 2015 13:27 Grokken wrote:On July 11 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
Hi, back home. You guys are fucking boring me.
##Vote: Fidei
I don't like the way this guy posts early Can you elaborate on this? What in particular is it that you don't like? I think that one sentence posts that appear to contribute to the game and don't really offer anything just kind of irk me the wrong way. I guess it's worth noting he did write that thing about Dota as well which was also one sentence but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the game I think. When I went back and read the post about him showing off his dota stats that actually reads to me a bit more towny now that I think about it, so not really sure. just an initial read. I don't agree with this but let's see what Ghandi says. It's a pretty innocuous post on it's face, but what stood out for me is that he is deferring to Ghandi before making judgment. But Ghandi's role in the context of the quoted posts is so minor that I can't think what he could possibly add to the conversation that would in turn color your judgment on Grokken's alignment. In fact, I never even mentioned Ghandi in my post. If he disagrees, ok, but why is he saying he needs to wait and see what Ghandi says? Not sure if I want to lynch him today, but he's on my radar. I still want to hear more. Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 08:56 Fidei86 wrote:
You said about ten posts ago that you were going to be town-hunting at first. Now you're saying that you're scum-hunting. Which is it?? I think you're reaching a bit here. This post seems so opposite to everything else you've written this game. What gives?
He then says this, after some people think MD is scummy for saying that he wants to change his play. Now, simply saying I agree with that point (about it being scummy to change play from town) would have been enough for him there. But he somehow feels the need to say the same thing but repackaging it with video mafia. This seemed quite of weird to me, like he goes out of his way to do this.
On July 12 2015 23:33 TJHuggins wrote:Right now I'm at the point where I feel comfortable enough to ##vote MoosyDoosy. (reasons here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=10#191)I woke up this morning to see more posts from MD that read scum to me. I didn't think you were even allowed to vote for yourself. To me I haven't seen any protown content coming out of any of his posts, and his recent ones seem blatantly anti-town. And what really stands with me is that these are posts from someone who claims to apparently have been unanimously townread by all players but one in some recent previous forum mafia game. See his post on July 11 2015 at 16:30, ("I was an earnest townie last Newbie Student Mafia game with a monster filter. :3 Besides ruXxar everyone pretty much knew I was a townie which is why I want to change things up here and make things interesting.") I'm not buying it that this is a result of you switching up your play.
Now here he states that he didn't even know you could vote for yourself. At this point, most people would go back and look at the rules to see if this was correct or not. In the rules it clearly states that it's not allowed.
On July 13 2015 03:43 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 03:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 13 2015 02:43 Fidei86 wrote:
So I'm sitting here thinking "n00b just made a big case on Moosy, then immediately defended him and now wants to lynch elsewhere - classic scum tell!". But then I thought about it and realised that my approach has been exactly the same. I want Moosy to engage, since everything we have on him at the moment is tonal, and could be bad/lazy town. Bleh. This is not a classic scum tell. It's pretty obvious I'm being a shitty townie so his analysis is pretty on point as usual. I really don't see how you guys think I'm Mafia. XD Can you explain to me how I am supposed to differentiate "shitty townie" play from Mafia play? The way your posts are reading to me now it sounds like you are a mafia resigned to their fate. If that's not the case then what is your play here? Do you have anyone you think is mafia? Anyone that you think is town? Any reasons for those reads? Any reasoning for why you have been writing/acting like a 14 year old for the last 12 hours? I'm going to be seriously upset if you are lynched and flip town because all that I will be thinking is: "What the fuck?"
This is also an interesting post. Here he already states that he would be very upset if MD flipped town. Given the fact how d1 lynch went down and MD is townlean by most players, this post seems like it was written to cushion the fall when MD actually does flip town. Which only mafia would know.
On July 13 2015 06:31 TJHuggins wrote:
Figured I would post where I am at before EOD (for obvious reasons). Here's a scum list for me right now in order:
1. MoosyDoosy
2. Sulfuras
3. Grokken
Scott, NHM, and silentwarrior are all in a 3rd category for me which includes players that haven't impressed me with their content and have not left any last impact on me. Might be mafia, might be town. I would rather wait until day 2 to deal with this group since it may give them more time to provide content for me to figure out their alignment. Personally, I'd rather kill someone whos acting scummy than someone whos just a crap shoot (actually if this were video mafia I would pressure them and force them to talk but I can't really do that here.)
If at EOD 2 I still have nothing on those three, I would advocate to shooting, cop checking, lynching them. I would caution against vig shooting or cop checking any of the lurkers this night because I don't think it will really help progress our scum leads much. A vig shot is better saved on a clearly scummy person (same logic as above) and cop check better on someone whos a bit more active.
Ok, this has been said by a lot of people. Just to reiterate, Sulf was placed on as second on TJH scum list right after sulf was tagged. This seems to be a move in case sulf is lynched and he can get some towncred (I admit this got me).
On July 13 2015 07:03 TJHuggins wrote:
Wait what... the vote count was changed after the day ended. This is some shitty modding.
So TJH is mad about MD vote on himself not being counted, which is important because it would have meant sulf woulnd't have been lynched. Kind of strange to think that voting on yourself would count though, and he seems really upset about this turn of events.
On July 13 2015 07:15 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 07:13 Half the Sky wrote:On July 13 2015 07:11 TJHuggins wrote:
Wow. Mod-error in town's favor. I'll take it. We pointed that out in page 15. Nothing was changed after the fact. I'd have responded to you but some mods modkill if you post after deadline and as a moderator myself I didn't want to chance that. You pointed that out but none the less his vote was included in the voting thread for quite some time both before and after. I thought that perhaps it was frowned upon but no strictly forbidden. The fact that it was not corrected until after the time in the day ended is unacceptable imo. I feel very strongly about the integrity of games that I am in and it just annoys me when something like this happens.
He goes on to say that this is because he feels strongly about the integrity of the game. But he seemed to have no problem having someone vote for themself, which everyone can easily tell is not part of the game.
On July 13 2015 07:21 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 07:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 13 2015 07:14 TJHuggins wrote:
I so strongly felt that MD is the most obvious mafia there could possible be... I was going to be so mad if Sulfuras flipped town. Now I'm not so sure since sulfuras was voting on MD. I need to reread Sulfuras posts to see why he was voting on MD. I can give you a hint + Show Spoiler +also please don't criticise mods the way you did, they run games for us and it isn't easy. The mistake was made: that's fine. Everyone makes mistakes. To retroactively correct the mistake after the day ends instead of leaving it as is? Unacceptable from a game integrity standpoint. But we got a mafia; it's whatever. I get passionate about lynches.
Here he states that he actually wanted the mistake to be left as it was. Why? It was incorrect and correcting it led to a lynch of mafia. I think the thing TJH was upset about here was the fact that he thought sulf could be saved and he didn't need to bus him. But since the mistake was corrected after day was over, there was nothing he could do.
On July 13 2015 07:22 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:On July 13 2015 07:15 TJHuggins wrote:On July 13 2015 07:13 Half the Sky wrote:
We pointed that out in page 15. Nothing was changed after the fact. I'd have responded to you but some mods modkill if you post after deadline and as a moderator myself I didn't want to chance that. You pointed that out but none the less his vote was included in the voting thread for quite some time both before and after. I thought that perhaps it was frowned upon but no strictly forbidden. That's odd that you would think that, considering that this happened, all the way back on Page 13: On July 13 2015 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On July 12 2015 23:33 TJHuggins wrote:
I didn't think you were even allowed to vote for yourself. Players may not vote for themselves. So the vote count posted on Page 12 is not completely accurate. My point is the vote remained on the voting thread and was included in the vote counts until a minute or two after the day concluded.
He even states so himself. He wouldn't have been angry if they had fixed it earlier, because then it would have given him the chance to change vote.
On July 16 2015 08:11 TJHuggins wrote:
Shit I missed the vote. Sorry guys.
He is then afk for quite a while, and mysteriously pops up just one hour after lynch and posted the above. It almost seems like he dosen't even care about the game anymore, like he feels he has lost. This comes up again:
On July 16 2015 08:30 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 16 2015 08:16 TJHuggins wrote:
Tomorrow. If you die where does that leave us? I would like it if you could post it now for me and HtS to dissect. I may die. But, considering a significant amount of people think that I am mafia (see the three players who voted on me this day), understandably so since I have been very inactive this day, I think it wouldn't be terrible for town if I did die. It will save me from potentially getting mislynched, and keep someone who is much more towny in the game. So I will let the Mafia make the decision.
Here he has the defeatist attitude I was talking about. No effort to try and look town, or even defend himself. Just that he is basically okay with dying. Seeing as how we got scum on d1 lynch and he seemed really upset about it, this could mean he as mafia has given up.
So basically, I think TJH is mafia.
##Vote TJHuggins
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And, TJHuggins decided to vote for me as well without any explanation as well.
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On July 18 2015 08:42 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
This is just a complete lie. I did mention him again and my change of opinon of him is stated there.
Where? Show me that post, I have looked through your filter and failed to find and mention of TJ between those 2 posts I quoted. Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 01:01 Tictock wrote:
This point me be a little more neutral, but it fits with the "following thread sentiment" notion.
SW's biggest post was his case on Ghandi, however his "case" came well after I had been pinging out Ghandi most of the day and HtS posted a large case on Ghandi as well. Check where this post came in terms of thread sentiment against ghandi.
This is also incorrect. I tagged GhandiEagle right after he made that strange comment about scott being town. My big case came later, but I was on to him before you were, and I also said I would analyze him more. I saw that post, pretty sure I mentioned it in that case on you as well. I even stated that that point was sorta weak and that was part of why. I'd also like you to give us your thoughts on WP. I know I know, I'm a demanding A-hole.
Here is a link to the first thing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=20#396
Can look into WP tomorrow more, just did a huge post on TJH. Need to go to bed pretty soon.
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@ SW
Alright, it's super unclear who your are referring to in that post but I see what you mean.
Besides with that vote from TJ I don't think we have any choice BUT to lynch him now.
After him it's Scott. Yes that's pretty much regardless on how TJ flips at this point.
##Unvote
##Vote: TJHuggins
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Humm, I'm having an interesting thought here.
Will share if TJ flips red.
I expect town will pick up on it anyways, we seem to be on the same Tin Foil hat frequency this game.
I've raised enough hubub today. I'm gunna bugger off now unless something interesting happens.
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You guys are all terrible. I am the cop. I have a town check on MoosyDoosy and a mafia check on silentwarrior. it should have been obvious to everyone from the night that i am cop.
anyone im off to sleep. posting on twitter #lynchsilentwarrior
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its really funny that he felt it necessary to type that huge analysis of my play after i voted him to LOL
obv maf
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k we'll kill u then silentwarrior. Thanks for the information. <3
btw it's bad play to say you have "critical information" and not participate. So we're not terrible but your play was more abysmal than GhandiEAGLE's.
Your role claim is terrible too and there's a huge thread in TL Mafia that says role claiming is very bad. Should have waited until Day was almost over if you had to reveal that information.
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On July 18 2015 10:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
k we'll kill u then silentwarrior. Thanks for the information. <3
btw it's bad play to say you have "critical information" and not participate. So we're not terrible but your play was more abysmal than GhandiEAGLE's.
Your role claim is terrible too and there's a huge thread in TL Mafia that says role claiming is very bad. Should have waited until Day was almost over if you had to reveal that information.
lynching me then him is fine with me
gnight
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Okay, I'll admit it. I suck at set-ups (looking at you n00bKing). What's the best action. Take TJHuggins for his word and killing silentwarrior first or killing him? I'm taking silentwarrior is a better step and working from there.
Sorry I got a bit emotional but role claims get me very, very angry.
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I am settled in NYC, I am honestly knackered from the flight etc etc. so bear with me. Probably going to crash soon.
I do not like the timing of the claim but again...this is a newbie game and this train was pretty run away.
The first thing to do is wait for a counterclaim. I figured we're in a DT/medic situation but given he claimed with both of his checks right away it sounds believable. Given those he checked I am inclined to believe him.
If there is no counterclaim and with the GF dead we lynch SW 100%. End of. If he flips town then TJH is autolynch.
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k so we all change our votes to silentwarrior. Nice.
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On July 18 2015 10:23 TJHuggins wrote:
You guys are all terrible. I am the cop. I have a town check on MoosyDoosy and a mafia check on silentwarrior. it should have been obvious to everyone from the night that i am cop.
anyone im off to sleep. posting on twitter #lynchsilentwarrior
Honestly screw you for holding off this long to say jack all.
In my mind you waited far too long to make this claim, and voting with me silently without actually saying this before had is even worse.
I honestly just want to lynch you still for being terrible.
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