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Newbie Student Mafia XII
Rsoultin and Rels is co-hosting. Questions may be sent to either of them or myself.
Night actions should be sent to all hosts!
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Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread may grow large quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
11. You may not reveal or hint about the identity of your coach. You may not refer to any idea, course of action, etc. as something that was suggested by your coach.
If you feel that any action you are considering may be against the spirit of the game, it is best to contact a host and ensure it is allowed before proceeding.
Posting:
Host Color:
The color blue is reserved for the hosts of the game to make our posts easy to notice. Please do not use it.
Questions:
All questions to the hosts must be sent as PMs, do not ask in the thread. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the hosts something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, the hosts will post an announcement in the thread.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Roughly speaking, this equates to a bare minimum of one post per 36 hours. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled or replaced.
Smurfs:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. "Editing" includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you edit them for any game-related reasons (ie, breadcrumbing, sending messages, etc) this will be considered out-of-thread posting and will be punished.
Inappropriate posts and use of the report post link:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, GMarshal, or Mig before involving the TL moderation staff or using the report post link. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
Out of thread communication:
It is common for mafia to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Players who have not explicitly been given permission to communicate outside the thread are not allowed to attempt to infiltrate such communication channels. Players who are not mafia are not allowed to communicate about this game outside of the thread.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done by posting in the separate voting thread. Votes posted in this thread will not be counted.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Kavdragon or ##Vote Kavdragon. Votes must be in bold, and votes not written in the correct fashion will not be counted.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote only for other living players in the thread. You may not vote for yourself.
5. This game uses plurality voting, so whoever has the most votes at the end of the day is lynched. There is no minimum number of votes required to lynch someone. If there is a tie for most votes, whoever most recently had more votes than the other is the person who is up for the lynch.
6. The person who is up for the lynch is whoever has the most votes. Bringing another player up to that number of votes doesn't put him up for the lynch; he has to have the most votes.
7. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
7 spots in this game are reserved for new players*. The other 6 spots in this game are open to anyone, but new players still take priority and can possibly bump other players from these spots. These numbers are flexible, but the goal is to bring new members in and give them a chance to play. If you're a forum regular, please bear in mind there will be newbies in this game and act appropriately to introduce them to TL Mafia.
*new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible
Signup for the game by posting /in in the thread if you are new, or /in: Open if you are not.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. Players who are inactive may be replaced by other players.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs and out of thread communication are not allowed in this game, unless your role explicitly allows them.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes or night actions up to and including the deadline will count. One minute after the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the night post is posted. The deadline for each cycle will be 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Credits:
Thanks to Blazinghand who I stole this post and the setup from. And every active member of the TL mafia community.
On February 20 2013 21:59 Acrofales wrote: Newbie-specific stuff 1.It's already in the rules, but remember, no editing. If you feel you must correct your post, please make a second post to clarify your statements. You may put EBWOP ("Edit by way of post," a handy acronym invented by semioldguy) at the beginning of your post to indicate that you are clearing up a point you made. If your EBWOP post is several posts after your original, please quote your original post in your EBWOP post for the sake of clarity. 2. Only sign up if you know you will have the time available to properly play the game. It is essential that players remain active in a newbie game, so only /in if you are able to play to your fullest. 3. If there is any sort of issue, you are unsure about some mechanic, or you are just wondering if your devilish scheme is even allowed, feel free to PM me, or ask in-thread with green text. Don't feel shy; these games are meant to be a place to learn and be open. 4. Behave as gentlemen (or ladies). Things get heated here, but personal attacks will not be acceptable, and will be dealt with accordingly. Remember, this is a game; have fun and happy scumhunting! 5. Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread. 6. If you receive coaching, don't tell town about it. 7. glhf!
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Game setup information:
This is a mafia game for 13 players. 3 players will be randomly selected as mafia.
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
The mafia's win condition:
The mafia wins if the number of mafia players alive is equal or greater to the number of town players alive and town night actions cannot reverse this.
When a player dies in the game, the player's alignment (that is, which team the player wins with), and role will be revealed. This reveal is guaranteed to be accurate.
This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen:
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!
Role descriptions:
Vanilla Townie
You have no special abilities, but your voice and your vote are just as important as anyone else's. You win with the town.
Town Cop / Detective
Every night, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town-aligned" or "Mafia-aligned" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town.
Town Doctor
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town.
Town Vigilante
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
Town Veteran
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town.
Mafia Roleblocker
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
The setup that is being used for this game is: (A/B/C/D)
Mafia Goon
Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kil;.You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
The setup that is being used for this game is: (A/B/C/D)
Mafia Godfather
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill. You may communicate with other members of your mafia team outside of the game thread at any time. You win with the mafia.
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
The setup that is being used for this game is: (A/B/C/D)
Sample PMs:
Vanilla Town Town Cop Town Vigilante Town Veteran Town Doctor Mafia Goon
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
The setup that is being used for this game is: (A/B/C/D) Mafia Roleblocker
The mafia team is:
A quicktopic has been provided for your team:
The setup that is being used for this game is: (A/B/C/D)
If there is any confusion about your role PM or the setup, PM me or your coach if you have one.
Notifications:
Roleblocks are always notified, even if the target is vanilla town.
Veteran saves are not notified.
Doctor saves are not notified.
FAQs:
Q: Can good guys communicate outside of the thread? What about just the Cop / Detective?
A: The good guys can't communicate outside of the thread. This includes the Cop.
Q: I'm confused about some role names that are used interchangeably.
A: VT = Vanilla Townie = Town Vanilla. Cop = DT = Detective. Medic = Doc = Doctor = Angel. Scum = Mafia. RB = Roleblocker
Q: Does something extra bad happen to the Doctor if s/he visits a mafia player?
A: The Doctor has no penalty for saving a mafia player
Q: I want to talk about coaching, or have a question about coaching. Where should I ask this?
A: PM me. Do not post in the thread about coaching.
Q: Should I talk about this game anywhere other than this thread?
A: No. You can talk in your special Scum Quicktopic if you are Mafia. You can also talk with your coach. Otherwise, do not mention this game. Don't mention it in passing. Don't mention that you're alive. Don't mention that you think your case is good. People in this game read all parts of the forums here on TL, so if you go over the Sc2 Strategy and say "I'm a bad mafia dude in this game" you will get found out.
Q: Should I talk about this game anywhere other than this thread if I'm dead?
A: When you die I will provide you with a quicktopic for dead players to hang out in and discuss the game.
Q: Can town decide to "sleep" or vote for a no-lynch?
A: You are allowed to vote for a no-lynch.
Q: The deadline passed and the Host hasn't finished writing the Day post or Night post. During these minutes between the lynch ending, or between the night ending, and the start of the next phase, can I talk?
A: Do not talk if the day or night post is late. After the lynch or the night kills have been 100% determined, in theory the next day should start instantly. In practice, it takes me some time to compose the new post, and during this time you should quietly wait for the flip. Typically there's a delay of between 1 and 10 minutes.
Q: Can we claim our roles or night actions and their results?
A: You may claim anything you want to, including fake claims. It is up to the other players whether they will believe your claim.
Q: Can I post a screenshot of my role PM? Can we compare formatting or timestamps of messages from the hosts?
A: You may not directly quote or screenshot anything from outside the thread. This also implies that things like comparing PM timestamps or formatting are disallowed. You may not ask things like "was your role PM colored green?".
Q: Are the teams balanced based on newbie/vet status?
A: Nope, they are assigned at random.
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/obs
Sorry don't have time to actually play till like mid July.
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/in:Open but I would like a coach please
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Will wait to see if 1) I'm forced to drop out of Gaiden and 2) if this fills up on time soon after the 4th of July weekend.
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I've only played "werewolves" alot in real life, but I think this game is very similar. 
I'd like to try!
/in
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I have a question about this :
"*new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible"
I have read this in multiple newbie threads, but isn't it : you aren't eligible if it is your 4th game? I'm confused
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On June 30 2015 16:39 WonnaPlay wrote:
I have a question about this :
"*new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible"
I have read this in multiple newbie threads, but isn't it : you aren't eligible if it is your 4th game? I'm confused
If it is your 4th I let you sign up in a newbie slot
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On June 30 2015 16:39 WonnaPlay wrote:
I have a question about this :
"*new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible"
I have read this in multiple newbie threads, but isn't it : you aren't eligible if it is your 4th game? I'm confused
If this is your 4th TL mafia game, it means you played in 3 TL mafia games before.
If you played in 0, 1, 2 or 3 TL mafia games before this one, you are eligible.
Therefore if this is your 4th TL mafia game, you are eligible.
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So, shouldn't it be ; 'you are still eligible'?
I understand what you're saying, but it feels like such an unnatural sentence to me.
Maybe my English is just messed up
Thanks anyways
edit;
@Onegu, it's my 1st 
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On June 30 2015 16:54 WonnaPlay wrote:
So, shouldn't it be ; 'you are still eligible'?
Maybe ... Enligsh ain't my mother tongue so I have no idea (=
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new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible
This is fine, it is really clear if you read it carefully.
I think your brain sees 3 and it likes to make that assumption that 3 is the important number, but the way the text reads makes total sense. Especially with the word "previous" clarifying that it is mafia games PRIOR to this one that you are counting.
That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible
effectively reads the same as
That means if this would be your 4th game, you are still eligible
So both ways of saying it are fine. It's a clarification of the first point anyways which imo doesn't even need to be there.
My Point?
WonnaPlay is arguing semantics, and is clearly mafia.
##VOTE: WonnaPlay
WIFOM
+ Show Spoiler +Or am I mafia for pushing on his arguing of semantics? + Show Spoiler +We'll never know... I'm not playing this game!
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On June 30 2015 18:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible This is fine, it is really clear if you read it carefully. I think your brain sees 3 and it likes to make that assumption that 3 is the important number, but the way the text reads makes total sense. Especially with the word "previous" clarifying that it is mafia games PRIOR to this one that you are counting. effectively reads the same as So both ways of saying it are fine. It's a clarification of the first point anyways which imo doesn't even need to be there. My Point? WonnaPlay is arguing semantics, and is clearly mafia.
##VOTE: WonnaPlayWIFOM + Show Spoiler +Or am I mafia for pushing on his arguing of semantics? + Show Spoiler +We'll never know... I'm not playing this game!
My brain sees the sentences as contradicting;
"You're a new player if you have played 0-3 times mafia."
"You are eligible when it is your 4th game."
I understand your explanation, it just tickles my sad Dutch brain.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Sounds like you might be mixing up "eligible" and "ineligible"
/obs
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On June 30 2015 21:10 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 18:39 Tictock wrote:new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible This is fine, it is really clear if you read it carefully. I think your brain sees 3 and it likes to make that assumption that 3 is the important number, but the way the text reads makes total sense. Especially with the word "previous" clarifying that it is mafia games PRIOR to this one that you are counting. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible effectively reads the same as That means if this would be your 4th game, you are still eligible So both ways of saying it are fine. It's a clarification of the first point anyways which imo doesn't even need to be there. My Point? WonnaPlay is arguing semantics, and is clearly mafia.
##VOTE: WonnaPlayWIFOM + Show Spoiler +Or am I mafia for pushing on his arguing of semantics? + Show Spoiler +We'll never know... I'm not playing this game! My brain sees the sentences as contradicting; "You're a new player if you have played 0-3 times mafia." "You are eligible when it is your 4th game." I understand your explanation, it just tickles my sad Dutch brain.
The two statements are not mutually exclusive.
If you have played mafia zero, once, twice or thrice then you can enter. The second statement is simply clarifying that if you enter this as your fourth game, that is allowed.
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It could be better written, though. I think that's what the Dutch guy is trying to say
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On July 01 2015 02:14 GlowingBear wrote:
It could be better written, though. I think that's what the Dutch guy is trying to say
Copy paste it is what it is
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On July 01 2015 04:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 02:14 GlowingBear wrote:
It could be better written, though. I think that's what the Dutch guy is trying to say Copy paste it is what it is
Not a criticism, though
/coach
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