EPTSorry don't have time to actually play till like mid July.
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Tictock
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Sorry don't have time to actually play till like mid July. | ||
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Tictock
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new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible This is fine, it is really clear if you read it carefully. I think your brain sees 3 and it likes to make that assumption that 3 is the important number, but the way the text reads makes total sense. Especially with the word "previous" clarifying that it is mafia games PRIOR to this one that you are counting. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible effectively reads the same as That means if this would be your 4th game, you are still eligible So both ways of saying it are fine. It's a clarification of the first point anyways which imo doesn't even need to be there. My Point? WonnaPlay is arguing semantics, and is clearly mafia. ##VOTE: WonnaPlay WIFOM + Show Spoiler + Or am I mafia for pushing on his arguing of semantics? + Show Spoiler + We'll never know... I'm not playing this game! | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:14 GlowingBear wrote: It could be better written, though. I think that's what the Dutch guy is trying to say As a native English speaker I think it is written very clearly and is fine. I can't comment as to how it might read to a non-native english speaker though. I'm not seeing what the confusion is though... If I've played 0 games before and sign up for this one, this would be my 1st game. If I've played 1 games before and sign up for this one, this would be my 2nd game. If I've played 2 games before and sign up for this one, this would be my 3rd game. If I've played 3 games before and sign up for this one, this would be my 4th game. In all those situations I am considered a newbie because I've played 3 or fewer games prior to this one. Anyways, this horse is already pretty beaten so I'll leave it at that. | ||
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I'm going to be a little touch and go with posting untill sometime late tomorow. I'm still on Holiday, but right at the end of it. I'll need to reread things now that I'm official part of the game, but I think HtS and n00b are pretty much for sure town for how D1 played out. MD is also very likely town, but his posting sucks. I'll be back a little later to share some scum reads. | ||
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On July 12 2015 01:02 scott31337 wrote: Good Morning... Let me wake up a bit more and re-read, but I don't see a whole lot to go on so far that sticks out at me - except a slight town lean on Fidei. This is literally scotts only post, and it is wierd that he would say he needs to reread anything on the 3rd page of the game. I'm used to town!scott being more involved, so I'm thinking he rolled scum this game. | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:22 Grokken wrote: I figure it's time for me to make an actual post now that the thread is getting more active. Sulfurus: Has made a few posts, but only one-liners and contentless posts. I know you are here and reading the thread, why not try to post something more useful? Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean. WonnaPlay: Should post so we know you're still alive. n00bKing I was just about to say that you haven't said anything of substance, but then I refresh the thread and there you are! You made some good points and seem to come to similar conclusions as I do, slight townread. Fidei86: I checked the Himalayas thread, and it's true that there was a huge volume of posts. It seems reasonable to me that he wants to avoid spam in this game. Post makes sense to me, good advice for new players too I think he seems towny overall, posts a decent amount and keeps the thread active without spamming nonsense. Doesn't seem afraid to post what he thinks. silentwarrior: silentwarrior is living up to his name, as someone said earlier. NydusHerMain: Only real post is a random vote for Fidei. Seems inactive for now, lets wait until he gets back. MoosyDoosy: Has made some good posts in my opinion. In particular I agree with the following post: I was going to bring this up myself, but seems like you beat me to it. Although the defense is good, I think it would be better to just let me defend myself, especially because I haven't really posted much before now. MoosyDoosy is a townread for me. TJHuggins: Seems like town to me. He identifies me as someone who has no clue what to post, which is pretty accurate considering this is my first online mafia game (my only previous experience is some IRL mafia just before I signed up for this one). I think it makes sense as town to pressure inexperienced players, and try to make them slip up while defending themselves. Grokken: Thats me. Open Slots: scott31337: Seems to be lurking, no real contribution so far. Half the Sky: Seems like town to me. She (?) has made quite a few posts, with a lot of content and some good points. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that she defended me for seemingly no reason. GhandiEAGLE: He says that there isn't much to go by day 1. He hasn't really contributed too much, but the posts he has made feels slightly towny to me. He made a point to flush out the lurkers, which seems like a good idea. KelsierSC spamspamspamspamspamspamspam, don't know what to think. In conclusion, I think we should try to lynch one of the people who is keeping up with the thread, but aren't making useful contributions. These people are in my opinion more likely to be mafia rather than the people who aren't saying anything at all. At this point, these people are Sulfurus, scott31337 and KelsierSC. This is the first time I make a post like this one, sorry if the formatting is bad. While this list post seemed to be early to the party, I think its overall not that bad. The reasons for Grok's reads are decent for how little had occured at that point in the game. Between this and one of his earlier posts that seemed casual and jokey I'm comfterable adding him to my town reads. Oh also I doubt he would make a list post like this that calls out Sulf so early if he were mafia. | ||
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Going out for dinner now, will get back to this later when I am able. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:33 TJHuggins wrote: Right now I'm at the point where I feel comfortable enough to ##vote MoosyDoosy. (reasons here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=10#191) I woke up this morning to see more posts from MD that read scum to me. I didn't think you were even allowed to vote for yourself. To me I haven't seen any protown content coming out of any of his posts, and his recent ones seem blatantly anti-town. And what really stands with me is that these are posts from someone who claims to apparently have been unanimously townread by all players but one in some recent previous forum mafia game. See his post on July 11 2015 at 16:30, ("I was an earnest townie last Newbie Student Mafia game with a monster filter. :3 Besides ruXxar everyone pretty much knew I was a townie which is why I want to change things up here and make things interesting.") I'm not buying it that this is a result of you switching up your play. So this was an interesting post to me. TJ had made one postregarding MD before where he scum read him, but decideds to vote him here. Nothing in his read had changed but now MD has votes on him which seems to make TJ more comfterable voting on him. This along with other posts suggest to me that TJ is pushing an agenda over hunting for scum. I know HtS also made a case on him that I liked, but I need to reread it before I comment on her case. I'm torn about TJ's EoD reaction. On the one hand I dont think scum would post like that In game over in their QT, but on the other hand I don't see town getting so worked up over that host mistake when it meant we lynched scum. The mistake had been discussed a fair bit as well (that MD cannot vote for himself) so it should not have been a suprise, yet he seemed genuinely upset that MD's vote on himself was not counted. In addition TJ's reaction to that EoD seemed a lot like Sulf's reaction which raises some flags. So, yea TJ is my top scum read atm. | ||
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On July 13 2015 06:31 TJHuggins wrote: Figured I would post where I am at before EOD (for obvious reasons). Here's a scum list for me right now in order: 1. MoosyDoosy 2. Sulfuras 3. Grokken Scott, NHM, and silentwarrior are all in a 3rd category for me which includes players that haven't impressed me with their content and have not left any last impact on me. Might be mafia, might be town. I would rather wait until day 2 to deal with this group since it may give them more time to provide content for me to figure out their alignment. Personally, I'd rather kill someone whos acting scummy than someone whos just a crap shoot (actually if this were video mafia I would pressure them and force them to talk but I can't really do that here.) If at EOD 2 I still have nothing on those three, I would advocate to shooting, cop checking, lynching them. I would caution against vig shooting or cop checking any of the lurkers this night because I don't think it will really help progress our scum leads much. A vig shot is better saved on a clearly scummy person (same logic as above) and cop check better on someone whos a bit more active. This post caught my eye as well. TJ spent at least one whole post saying why he felt MD and Grok were scum, yet suddenly Sulf just shows up 2nd in his list here, and gives no explanation for it. This was after n00b and HtS started pushing Sulf as another possible lynch. Btw, thats why I'm reading HtS and n00b as town since there is no chance they were bussing a teammate in that situation. I'm reluctant to fully read Fidei as town right now... Like TJ, Fidei seemed to be ignoring Sulf up till this time in the game. However fidei was all too happy to jump on that wagon ... So he still gets a solid town lean. | ||
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Kinda jumping in so wanted to get myself on some better footing with reads right off the bat, but always nice to see familiar faces... Er nametags? @ HtS I am currently in Geneva, but tonight is my last night here. Will be boarding a flight tomorrow morning back to the States. I'm visiting my dad who moved out here a few years ago ( he works for the WMO), and did a crazy trip over the past week. We've been here in Geneva, Germany, and also Poland. Technically France as well but only for a short bit today. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:48 n00bKing wrote: Yeah, I made the same comment, about it being strange for him to say he needs to "re-read" when we had only just started. Scott COULD be scum here, but man...just how much "mailing it in" can we expect from one scum team? Sulf had like 5 posts, and Scott has 1? That's their gameplan? Still think "Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean" is not much of a call-out. But I wouldn't push for a vigilante shot on Grokken or anything. So there will be more time to evaluate him. (Though I may not be around for that, since I've been killed on Night 1 in 100% of my TL Mafia games! And Fidei requesting that HtS receive protection clears the way for my demise!) You are correct it is not much of a call out, however Sulf was the first person he listed as his scumreads. I just dont see scum making a list post that early that lists a teammate so highly on the list. I might be giving him too much credit for that, but its stronger than a meta or tone read imo. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:52 scott31337 wrote: FINAL VOTE COUNT Sulfurus(4):Half the Sky, Fidei86, Kelsier SC, Noobking MoosyDoosy(3): Grokken, TJHuggins, Sulfurus NydusHerMain (1): silentwarrior Fidei86(1): NydusHerMain Not Voting(4): WonnaPlay, scott31337, GhandiEAGLE. MoosyDoosy I mean I have to believe everyone on Sulf is town - with HtS at the top. I'm going to re-read every one on Moosy. TT replaced NHM. Welcome ol' buddy  This is probably very solid. Very unlikely that mafia buss their teammate in this situation when MD is another option. The only situation where things get tricky is if MD is in fact mafia as well here... Seems unlikely to me, but also means MD is an ok Cop check. | ||
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Looks like a medic dodge to me for sure. Don't recall KSC having very solid reads on anyone. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:13 Half the Sky wrote: Very nice. I hope you enjoyed your holiday! Sounds like a blast. Speaking of life on the road, I'm headed to Munich for work in about 3 weeks time after a trip to the States (specifically NYC) starting Friday for 3 weeks (again for work) so I'm headed for a very interesting road trip myself. Very cool, I have not had the chance to visit NYC myself, but that should be a fun trip. Hopefully its not all work and you get some time to Play! (No I'm not talking about Mafia :p ) If you are ever in Colorado feel free to drop me a PM. | ||
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##Vote: TJHuggins I've already made a few posts explaining my read on him and HtS also made a semi case. I'm not sure who the other scum might be but my gut tells me it's not Grok (also I have a town read on Grok) and is one of the non-voters. Just not sure who yet. I will be back home before the end of D2 so fear not, I shall return. | ||
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On July 14 2015 08:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 9) HtS Untouchable right now. No fun there :< This is such a weird way to say you think HtS is town... As others have pointed out that whole reads post seems really off as well. A lot of your reads seem to move in one direction but you conclude the opposite. Nothing is well explained either. Like your Fidei read, hes voting for you and that makes him town? That makes little sense, if Ghandi is town then Fidei voting for him should make Ghandi worried that Fidei could be mafia not convince him he is town. Also that lie/mistake about TJ feels really wierd too, Fidei might very well be onto something there. | ||
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On July 14 2015 10:37 scott31337 wrote: Why is MD a cop check? Please explain more from your reasoning. My reasoning was in the post you quoted. MD is playing the role of easy lynchbait, which is why I am leaning town on him. His posts make little sense for scum, at least to me. He was clearly being scum read by a lot of people however, and the only way we don't get a lot of confirmed town off the D1 votes is if MD is in fact mafia here. Thus I was saying MD was an ok Cop check for those reasons. Since I posted that so close to the start of D2 I guess it was more of a "I can see why someone might Cop check MD" than " Someone should cop check MD" Just in case we do have a Cop and before this discussion is brought up, there is no reason to claim just yet. It is better to hold off any claims till it benefits town more. | ||
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Since this is a newbie game the scum team has a coach to help them make better choices. Thus a seemingly well thought out NK does not for sure mean there is a veteran player on the scum team, it could easily just mean they have a solid coach. | ||
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On July 14 2015 15:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'm still not voting for TJ yet because Fidei is hardly the most pressing case when you look at some of the other people in the game right now, and I didn't think the bandwagon needed more momentum. Yea... You're scum. Fidei should have nothing to do with voting for TJ, you are the only person to be trying to make an association between the two. In my mind Fidei pushing on people other than TJ is great for town since there are still 2 scum left and there was no clear associations between Sulf and anyone. Pre-flip associations like this are terrible for town and likely scum modivated to push mislynches. @ Fidei Sorry you feel like I'm misrepresenting you, I suppose I should have typed pushing instead of voting. Doesn't seem like a big difference to me though since it was pretty clear where your head was at in regards to Ghandi. Still, given our last game together I would find it odd if you weren't weary of me. So more town points for you. | ||
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After this hour I will be in the air for about 10 hours, but I'll be checking in and whatnot when I arrive home tonight. I should be around for EoD as well assuming I'm not completely messed up by timezone stuff. | ||
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I'd prefer it if you let Grokken speak for himself. This might have been the jail free card that he was looking for.
