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silentwarrior
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silentwarrior
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My background is pretty newbie. Have been in a few forum mafia games, but mostly i play IRL. | ||
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silentwarrior
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I also found some of what moosy said suspicous, but most of that has already been said by noobking, The most scummy thing to me was that he said he wanted to change his play, then wondered how someone could read that as. If you are town one game and then make a point to say that you change your play, then logically you will play as mafia. | ||
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silentwarrior
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silentwarrior
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Then Grokken is because of this post: On July 12 2015 06:22 Grokken wrote: I figure it's time for me to make an actual post now that the thread is getting more active. Sulfurus: Has made a few posts, but only one-liners and contentless posts. I know you are here and reading the thread, why not try to post something more useful? Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean. He pings sulfurus as a scum lean fairly early, before any of the recent suspicion started. That means that most likely that they aren't mafia partners, as mafia will not give scumlean to their own partners when there is no other big suspicion on him. This leads me to believe that he is town as well. | ||
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silentwarrior
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Also, i get a townvibe from wonnaplay. Of course, I could be all wrong about this, and mafia decided to sacrifice sulfurus, but dont really think so right now. Regardless, those reamaining that I think the mafia is among is : scott31337, GhandiEAGLE, NydusHerMain. One or two of these three are probably mafia. | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 13 2015 09:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh I have 2 suspicions but I'd rather wait. If I'm right, I'd rather not say it and die. Either way I doubt Mafia will try and kill me since some people apparently somehow see me as a possible scum and they will try and bus me. But knowing that they might kill me although there are better people to kill. ^.^ I love screwing things up for the Mafia. You can post like 1 minute before night ends. That way, mafia can't kill you for whatever you say, as they don't have time to react. | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 14 2015 02:00 n00bKing wrote: Actually, I think that "when there is no other big suspicion on him" is a good time to scumlean a mafia teammate. Because it's unlikely that anything will come of it in the near term. And if something does come of it later, you'd be able to say "I was scumreading that guy since Day 1!" That post from Grokken is probably a point in his favor, but it still leaves plenty of room for error. Maybe its a newbie thing, but usually mafia will try to not mention their partners, and do so only in positive ways, to avoid them being lynched. I think they would focus more on helping each other survive the lynch rather than be ready for their death. I do see your point however. They will atleast not give scumreads to partners that early in game. On July 14 2015 02:13 n00bKing wrote: Okay, so apparently I don't agree with much that silentwarrior has to say during Night 1. "Second on scum list" is a fairly commonplace spot for mafia to put their teammates. Say that he looks scummy (in case he gets lynched) but don't actually try to get him lynched, because someone else is first on your scum list. And for you to be "all wrong about this" doesn't really require mafia to have sacrificed Sulfurus. He could have been lynched against their will, and your reads could still be wrong anyway. Of course, you having reads that are different from mine doesn't make you scum (and doesn't even make you wrong)...but I still don't have to like it! Yeah, I see your point, didn't think of that. As I said before, the list that he posted was after sulfurus was already tagged by Half the sky, so he could have just done the second on scum list thing. | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 14 2015 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote: To sum up Scummer read is hardest on Grokken, Town for me definitively is HtS, Scott, and Fidei. Too many people posting too little (me included, before ~20 minutes ago). Need more activity please. The guy who has contributed the least (scott) is somehow definetly town for you? And your explanation about it is just bullshit, it makes no sense. I smell mafia here. | ||
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silentwarrior
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silentwarrior
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So his first posts were mostly talking about nothing, this one is where really starts talking about the game: On July 12 2015 04:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Right now its basically impossible to read into anything effectively, so Day 1 we might as well just flush out all of the lurkers, which I may work on when I get off work in a couple hours. It is very much possible to get reads effectively day 1, that's how we got our first mafia. Everyone knows this. It is harder, true, but you can get decent reads. If you are scum however, people getting reads is the last thing you want. You would rather just have them kill some lurking townie than risk having them read people and figure out who is mafia. He also says we should "flush out" all the lurkers, which he posts about again here: On July 12 2015 12:06 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'm strictly against considering policy lynches this early in the day. I'm saying we should get everyone to start talking because lurkers quickly become scapegoats, especially in newbie games where lurkers are often people who are just unsure of what to say. He says that he wants to get everyone to talk, but no one to make reads. This supports my theory that he wants to avoid having people try to find mafia and make reads and instead just lynch someone with no one looking around He is then afk until just 2 hours after lynch, and fails to make a vote. It might me IRL stuff, but it is kind of convenient to pop up so soon after the lycnh. He then says this after night is over: On July 14 2015 07:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Surprised they actually went after Kelsier. At least it confirms my worry that he jumped on Sulfurus as scum to try and assure his own safety; I was just about to post about that, especially since I had a totally unjustifiable scum meta read on him. By the way, TJH isn't scum to me. He was an early bird on the Sulfurus scum train. That won't be enough to make me think he's town, but it is enough to give me pause before lynching him Day 2. Not ready to jump on that train. This has been discuessed before, but just to rehash: TJH only said he thought sulfurus was scum after he was tagged. He also posted him as his second scum list, which seems to be a way for mafia to get creds in case their scum buddies flip. Now, ghandi might have just interepreted TJH wrong, at this point this is not that incriminating. We'll get back to it. So after that he post his case on MoosyDoosy: On July 14 2015 08:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I think Moosy is either playing a really abysmal town, or is scum. I'm still not sold enough to vote (I realize I say that a lot), but honestly constantly deflecting suspicion with sarcasm. Despite that sarcasm, he doesn't do shit for the town. Why did this happen? It made little sense to ask me, other than I was one of the few early proactive people on the thread and it would make sense to get me on his side. He had no real reason to ask me specifically here, and no real reason to believe that my opinions would hold much weight. There it is again. No reason to be prodding me except that he might suspect that I'm scum (unlikely at that point in the thread), or he's trying to deflect conversations, looking like he moves conversation forward, without actually doing so. Then he didn't vote, which I didn't either because I forgot about the separate voting thread. So this is excusable because I suck :/ Also, he constantly uses emoticons, which I distrust by nature and generally indicate self-consciousness (I'm not kidding it often points to mafia). Never trust an emoticon. The rest of his filter is absolute trash, by the way. Nothing helpful at all; all of his posts constantly criticize other people for suspecting him, while offering literally zero content to push the town forward. If he isn't scum, I'd still policy lynch him Day 3 since based_HTS gave us plenty of time. I need meaningful contribution from Moosey or I'm not likely moving off of my vote without heavy evidence on someone else. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Now, this post is kind of weak. His biggest arguments is that MD keeps mentioning him (which isn't indictive of anything really), the fact that MD didn't vote (which he didn't either), and the fact that he uses emoticons (what???). And he seems to completely ignore the vote, which is a pretty big townlean for MD. He also votes for this, but states that he dosen't think he is mafia. Why would you want someone that is not mafia dead? Later he posts his big list: On July 14 2015 08:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 1) Fidei. Town read; pushing me for my admittedly shitty posting when there was no real consideration of it earlier is pretty darn town. 2) WonnaPlay Lurk City, hard to know if spooked or noob, but sketchy either way. Because its a noob game all lurkers basically stay in neutral range, instead of my usual neutral-lurker range. 3) N00bking. Neutral; dont like his filter but he voted for sulfurus, so the two cancel each other out. 4) Silentwarrior. Shit-tier read list, bandwagonning, lurking. Didn't vote Moosy N1, so neutral or bad scum imo. 5) NHM/Tictoc Awful posting but apparently had an excuse so mleh. Tictoc says he's followed the game, and showed that he was present in the thread, but has yet to give anything meaningful to the game, so he's on my naughty list until something comes up. Most lurkers commit, but he's already poked his head recently. 6) Moosy Shit town, prodding him to post better hopefully he actually does, otherwise lynch for derailing conversation. No more discussion on him because its also just derailing now. C'mon man shape up. 7) TJ Huggins Bandwagonned on Moosy, pointed a lot of fingers, but generally been pretty baseless. This isn't quite a 180 of what I said earlier, because I said in my post that he wasn't scum to me. That hasn't changed; I should have clarified that I didn't think he was that innocent either, he's high up on my neutral list. Just not enough yet to vote on him. 8) Grokken. Seems pretty sketchy to me. Need to chug through filter again, but voting on me even before Fidei did just feels like someone trying to stand out and be opportunistic. He didn't start the attack, so he doesn't assume culpability if I get lynched and I'm town. He also can't hold onto an accusation. That said, he didn't fight Sulfurus being lynched; he voted Moosy but didn't protest Sulfurus' death. That doesn't mean, however, that he's not my scum read. Because he is. 9) HtS Untouchable right now. No fun there :< 10) scottblahblahnumbers The WORST kind of lurker, if he was maf, I'd be willing to bet he'd be more active, especially since he's not on the noob list; who plays mafia multiple times without wanting to actually participate? For that reasoning he's really town to me, but damn I hate how he's basically not in the game. It's frustrating. Now his tone about TJH is less townlean. This was after everyone pointed about the suspicoins of TJH. So, even if TJH and Ghandi isn't scumteam, he would want to appease to town and follow its general ideas and thoughts. So when he says something and town says another, he would naturally want to change what he says to fit what towns says as mafia. He tries to downplay this change by stating it himself, and saying it's not that big of a change of heart. But really, everyone can see his reversal of opinion. Something also interesting is that he says scott is town, despite saying he is a lurker. Somehow, being an experienced player makes it ok for being a lurker. This reasoning is just strange, and gets stranger with his next post: On July 14 2015 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote: To sum up Scummer read is hardest on Grokken, Town for me definitively is HtS, Scott, and Fidei. Too many people posting too little (me included, before ~20 minutes ago). Need more activity please. Now he says that scott is in his top 3 town reads. This is when scott had like 3 posts in game, none of which had any content at all in them. So why have someone like that as top 3 town? This leads me to believe that maybe the scumteam is Scott-Ghandi. TJH-Ghandi is also very likely, but he seems to be unusually positive about scott for the amount he has written. In conclusion, Ghandis posts leads me to believe that he is mafia. I urge the rest of you to also examine him and make your own conclusion. Vote: GhandiEAGLE | ||
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silentwarrior
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Most likely town: n00bKing Half the Sky Fidei86 Town lean: | ||
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silentwarrior
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Here are my views on everyone: Most likely town: n00bKing Half the Sky Fidei86 MoosyDoosy Town lean: Grokken Neutral: NydusHerMain/TICKTOCK WonnaPlay Scumlean: scott31337 TJHuggins Probably scum: GhandiEAGLE | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 15 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote: Silentwarrior....I know he's putting in the effort and people can't be in thread perpetually. But in the event that Gandhi winds up being a mislynch he might come under some suspicion. I can't put my finger on articulating it well at the moment (aside from the parroting, even the point by Scott was previously mentioned by WP, but a lot of people are understandably guilty of that) but the first two quotes of his long post at the top of page 25 are slightly biased in that they don't account for how a town Gandhi would act. Nowhere did he say "no one to make reads" but on Gandhi's end you do have a lack of followup. It could be suboptimal town or scum play. GE is in his second game ever on TL so believeable expectations aren't too high if a town Gandhi wants to prioritise lurkers. Also 2 hours post-lynch depending on timezone is not considered too soon. Stateside, the EoDs (I'm assuming you are EU btw) are during evening rush hour, so who knows. I know you're new so I'm considering this part NAI for now. But popping up so soon after the lynch, 2 hours is not considered very soon. 2 minutes, yes you have a case. Again I am a bit ahead and it is an associative read at this point in time (meaning can't know until a Gandhi flip) but I'm still null on SW at the moment. I think based on effort most newbie scum wouldn't give much effort. At the same time scum are concerned with "looking town" so I do remain cautious on SW. I said the thing about scott first right after he posted it. So if anything, wp is parroting me. Ghandi said that it is impossible to make reads, which basically means to not do them. What else would they mean? Don't know, still think it was rather convenient that he popped up like that. | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 15 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote: This is a decent point. He was a solo voter and having done too many VCAs to count I might be a little biased since he solo voted, but newbies probably don't have the concept of town consolidation down either, at least not yet. I didn't solo vote at the time i voted, noobking changed his vote. But I don't understand, what so bad with solovoting? | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 15 2015 11:52 Tictock wrote: The issue with solo voting is that it makes it harder to look at vote counts after a flip. Ideally you want 2 solid wagons so that when you hit on scum you can start to figuer out which players on the opposing wagon are likely scum and which, if any, are scum bussing a teammate. I'm pretty guilty of throwing my vote out solo in past newbie games, so I understand the temptation to ignore the majority and vote for your own reads. However if you think about it all it really does it make it easier for scum to swing the votes in their favor. Maybe HtS can answer a little better, also I'm sure there is someplace on the interwebs that has in depth talk about what is good for voteing patterns as town. My counter question to get you thinking about it more, what do you think could be good about solovoting? See your point, the more the townies vote solo, the more mafia can swing lynches in their favor. But I think solovoting can be good if you really think that your read is correct and the others are wrong. Also could put some pressure on the person if you show that you are after him even when rest of town aren't. | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 16 2015 00:25 scott31337 wrote: I've been really busy as well, but I can't forget to vote this time...We don't need any modkilled townies. ##Vote Tjhuggins Care to explain that at all or are you just trying to save your scum-buddy ghandi? | ||
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silentwarrior
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On July 17 2015 03:51 Fidei86 wrote: Got it. BTW, my tinfoil hat world involves you and n00b being the scum team. But honestly, I think if that's the case then we could just GG now :-) Was actually thinking the same. If sulfur us was bussed then it was probably done by hts and either you or noob. But want to wait out night until I start to consider it srs. On phone now Btw, so can't write to everything about me. Will do during day. | ||
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